** Raghu GiuffreWe could dramatically expand American reading by havin all restuarants in the back of bookstores. Krammers bookstore got me on the way out from dinner in their restaurant: Afterwords. I actually ended readin the intro to Rumi.

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Tim Lee: Right, Srila Prabhupada said he wanted us to make many Krishna farms with cow protection, and at the same time open many ISKCON Krishna restaurants, and his farms would then supply veggies and milk to the restaurants, and that would be the basis of varnasrama, and thus all of the devotees would be employed that way. And as a bonus, we devotees ... Read Morewould not have to worry about un-employment. He was not really trying to get his big leaders to have their own private homes with swimming pools, where they would be wearing spandex tights and swimming with two young brahmacharini ladies dressed in bikinis, which is what we saw occuring instead? But your idea is good, lets also sell books in these restaurants. thanks pd
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Jean Prem: so our God brother SiddhaSwarupa' s followers have done a great job, here in HI they have Down to earth health food stores abd buffet, and lotz of farming going on for supplying the stores...


Tim Lee: Siddha swarupa actually said in 1978 that the Gaudiya Matha's idea of appointing guru is totally bogus and the GBC should quit associating with the Gaudiya Matha. Yes, he had some good realizations. I only think his clan should not call him "Prabhupada," especially after he had to quit his false sannyasa.

There are also many yoga organizations in the USA with very nice and popular restaurants, in fact there is a huge one here in Berkely with a big book and gift store, and in sum much bigger than anything we could put together. So this is the problem with ISKCON, we imitated the Gaudiya Matha, the emphasis went towards an elite cadre of a few gurus and their bogus appointed gurus and their rasika program, oddly ... provided by the Gaudiya Matha's leaders.

And then naturally ... we had Gaudiya Matha part two: i.e. the devotees, children, temples, farms, restaurants, and in sum all the practical programs suffered, just as the Gaudiya Matha's temples became emptied out and Srila Prabhupada said the Gaudiya Matha became a place with "no preaching life" and just "a few old men" "ringing the bells" and "fighting over the rooms." At the same time, it seems even a regular mayavada yoga organization like Berkeley's can accomplish something substantial because they are united under one ideal, whereas with the Gaudiya Matha's appointed guru idea, they had competing gurus and we have had 230 acharyas all fighting amongst themselves, yep ... Gaudiya Matha part two. thanks pd

[PADA: Around 1980 Dravida prabhu and others (Spanish BBT?) were writing complaints to the GBC that Hrdayananda was associating too much with women, why was he never called a fraud and not a guru in the past 30 years by the GBC? thanks pd]  


Hridayananda's Falldowns BY: ANIRUDDHA DAS

Nov 06, VRINDAVAN, INDIA — Dear devotees, I could provide a lengthy narration of Hridayananda's falldown with a lady disciple, named Devamrita, an attractive woman from Brasil who was mentioned in Rocana dasa's recent article, "Aparadhi to the Sannyasa Order". I was his personal servant at that time, and was an eyewitness of that particular scandalous affair. In advance of writing a detailed narrative, I will recount the following incidents by way of a refutation of Candrabhanu's blind defense of Hridayananda.

Hridayananda ordered Brahmatirtha to install a personal phone line to Devamrita's room at the so-called Govinda's Vaikuntha's Building, so he could communicate directly and privately with her at all times. He would spend hours upon hours talking to this woman, either talking to her personally or using the phone. I timed the hours of his association with this woman, and many days he would spend more than 8 hours talking directly or indirectly with her (via phone and letters.) This must be record-breaking for a so-called sannyasi.

I remember perfectly (because it etched in my mind) that one day he woke at 4:00 a.m. and immediately called her. I was assisting, watching him at all times. So this particular day Hridayananda stayed on the phone for a period of more than 3 and half hours. All through the brahma-muhurta. In order for me not to hear the details of the conversation, he asked me to leave his bedroom and lock the door. I waited anxiously all this time because as a good servant, I wanted to protect Hridayananda from this woman's advances. But actually, the one who is responsible for establishing and supporting this intimate relationship was Hridayananda himself.

At the condominium where Hridayananda was staying, several nights he would wake up disturbed. He was so engrossed with this woman that he forgot to take basic "preventive" measures. I would wake up also to attend his needs (getting his clothes ready, etc.) and would then go into the bathroom to clean them. So on these occasions I found his koupinas wet, emanating the distinctive stench of semen. These nocturnal emissions were obviously due to his being sexually agitated by his association with this woman. And this so-called "acarya" was translating the Tenth Canto "for the welfare of all conditioned souls"!

With a deep feeling of disappointment and sadness, I would proceed to wash thoroughly the semen-soaked koupinas. Yes, shortly after that I left the company of this man forever.

While talking to the woman Hridayananda was quite frivolous, cutting jokes and sometimes relating to her only as a lover would treat a beloved. Sometimes he would call her "monstrua", a Portuguese word for "a she-monster", or "bonitinha" ('very pretty'.) While he was alone with her, and I sometimes be close enough to hear or watch.

I would massage Hridayananda on a daily basis, sometimes up to 3 times. A few times, while massaging him at the condominium, he would call the woman and make her sit directly in front of him. Barely 2 meters away at the most, she would sit on a kusa mat on the floor, with him wearing only a gamsha. I would always start the massage by standing behind him, applying my hands to work on his head and back. But the forceful, continuous movement of my hands would invariably pull up the gamsha and in this way, Hridayananda would have his genitals exposed, covered only by the brahminical underwear.

The woman would try unsuccessfully not to stare directly at the bundle of genitals, but obviously this was impossible. So, in order to rectify the situation, I would turn around, stand in front of him and very deliberately pull down the gamsha in order to cover him again, at least up to the knees. But again, the gamsha would inevitably fold over and expose that private part of the body to the eyes of the woman.

So every man knows that this is a subtle sexual game. The level of sexual agitation between the two was not only obvious, but shameless. I would warn Hridayananda: "Beware of this woman's intentions..." A couple of times he retorted: "Being in my place you would feel overwhelmed with lust. You are only projecting it on me".

Once I told him: "Maharaha, this relationship can ruin your reputation. You are translating the Srimad-Bhagavatam, and devotees would want you to behave as a bona fide spiritual master." He never heeded my advice. He also scoffed at the many complaints lodged against him by well-intentioned but worried Godbrothers and followers. In fact, he stopped overtly associating with the woman (who I now see more as a victim than as a woman trying to make this so-called guru fall down) only after Gopiparanadhana and Dravida threatened not to work with him anymore on the translation and editing of the Bhagavatam, respectively.

Hridayananda was aware that I was acting as a loyal bodyguard, protecting him at all times from the woman., so he would consciously keep me on duty, because that way he would have a third party confirming "he was doing nothing wrong."

I'm in India right now and on two occasions, I have had to restart this article because the electricity went off. I could write a whole book of the saga between Hridayananda and Devamrita, but for any brahmanical devotee wishing to arrive at a correct conclusion about Hridayananda's status, this information is more than enough. This account is similar to the pictures Hridayananda that Harinamananda das published here at the Sampradaya Sun.

It's a very sad but true history that needs to be undisclosed, so devotees all over the world can come to know who the real Hridayananda is, directly from a person who served as his personal servant for more than five years – and from someone who is not a fanatic ISKCON cheerleader.

The details I have provided are the truth, and I am willing to repeat this history in front of Srila Prabhupada, the Deities and the GBC.
Aniruddha das

Thanks R dasa, yes Srila Prabhupada said that they are not fit for sannyasa in January 1977, make farms and varnsrama, suspend sannyasa, yet one year later they are making hundreds of false sannyasas and acharyas.
 

What I am doing is very positive, I'm telling people that acharyas do not engage in illicit sex with men, women and children (as the GBC says) and the gurus are pure, and lots of people are agreeing with me these days, and we are gaining momentum. We are trying to explain this to defend Srila Prabhupada that he did not appoint all these clowns as gurus, that is very positive.

Of course some of my God brothers and sisters, the older devotee folks, they like to worship Narayana Maharaja, because he, at least from 1977 - 1995, supported the illicit sex acharyas program and thus he got all these kids molested by being the hand maiden of the molester messiahs, so they are all implicated and we are pointing all that out too, this mass molesting occured because folks like NM crammed it down our throats and many of the elders supported his project. So they united in defying Srila Prabhupada, again we have to correct history here, the deviants with help from NM and the acquiscing elders created the molester messiah project, it is not Srila Prabhupada's idea.

Thus they are all implicated. NMs guru tattva booklet says "there was nothing wrong" with his homosexual guru Ananata Vasudeva, who had dissenters murdered, so there will always be a class of people attracted to worship man to man sex and murder of us dissenters, so we are putting a spot light on his ideas and the many people who support his ideas, again, we have to distinguish that Srila Prabhupada is not an advocate of this man to man sex acharya project, we have to seperate him from these things. A disciple of Bhakti Caru just wrote to tell me that despite the GBC gurus act abominable, they are still worshipping Krishna, notice, he says the standard for acharya is abominable behavior. So we have to preach against this, otherwise there will not be any ISKCON. thanks pd    

Hare Krishna,

Dear Veera prabhu, are you saying that Bhakti Caru does not endorse the GBC's WRITTEN and PUBLIC documents which says that their gurus are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? Why then has he never publicly countered all their documents, as I have done? The GBC has in its documents some 230 "links" in their guru parampara, but most of their links has fallen down, why hasn't Bhakti Caru ever publicly explained that gurus do not fall down, gurus are not homosexuals and pedophiles, and the GBC is totally bogus to say that gurus are failing left, right and center, or that gurus are, were, or could have been homosexuals and molesters as -- links in KRISHNA's guru parampara? The GBC has even said that their homosexual molester gurus are "like Jesus," NO, they have never withdrawn these documents despite me asking them to do so.

 

I do not need any Vedic knowledge to know that 230 people who are mostly falling into illicit sex are not God's messiah successors, like Jesus etc., since even the village drunk knows I'm right and BCS is bogus to support such a process. Are you saying the past 30 years of GBC documents are not endorsed by BCS? Then why has he not publicly said exactly where he disagrees with them in public? Rather he is always going along with the GBC? 

 

Srila Prabhupada said in Janurary of 1977 that his followers are not fit for sannyasa, you and BCS say those unfit for sannyasa are -- gurus? People who are not fit for sannyasa are gurus, no wonder then -- that out of the Bhakti Caru swami's guru parampara's 230 gurus, most of them has failed, in fact BCS's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara is famous all over the world for murder, criminal mayhem, and molesting thousands of children? What kind of guru program is that? What kind of successors to Krishna do you have here? Is Krishna such a deviant that He has deviants as His successors? Where does Krishna say deviants, pedophiles and criminals are My guru successors? And that deviants, criminals and pedophiles are supposed to vote in people like BCS? I think you folks do not like Krishna AT ALL, since BCS guru program is insulting Krishna by saying God's guru successors are sex fiends and child molesters! That means you folks do not like Krishna AT ALL!

 

I may be a Westerner, but the fact is that BCS is "voted in as guru" by child molesters and the founder fathers of the entire homosexual pedophile gurus program. Why is he voted in as guru by homosexuals, molesters, deviants and criminals? Which previous acaryas were homosexuals and child molesters? Which previous acharyas were voted in as guru by homosexuals and pedophiles like BCS is? Sorry, but I have publicly said since 1980 that Bhakti Carus gurus are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and I have not been proven wrong. I am sorry but Krishna is pure and sex with men, sex with other people's wives, sex with children, criminal actions, drug taking, murders, etc. this is not KRISHNA's idea of HIS pure chain of gurus, and if Bahtki Caru does not agree with the GBC, how come he never gives a specific counter-point? So I have said since 1980 that Bhakti Caru is a member of an illicit sex guru parampara, and I'm right, no one has ever debated me on this, because I am right. Krishna is pure, and BCS sex with men, women and children gurus are NOT. Its simple. thanks pd