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Monday, April 09, 2007
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One of my odd exchanges from Lashtal.com (I'm tazadinath): ..>..> ..>..>..>..>Freeman | ..> | ..>..> ..> Post subject: Attaining Dhyana and Samadhi Posted: Apr 04, 2007 - 02:55 PM #12672 | ..> | ..>..> ..>
Joined: Jan 03, 2007 Posts: 1 Status: Offline .. --> | ..> | ..>..> ..> After reading Mysticism and The Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali, there appears to be a very clear-cut and scientific method of attaining Dhyana and Samadhi. How often are these states reached? Is the annual meeting of the Subject/Object United Club packed? I don't necessarily want a poll, but I would be interested in reading if members have reached these states. | | .. Begin PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> .. End PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> | | | ..> | | |  | ..>..> ..> tazadinath | ..> | ..>..> ..> Post subject: RE: Attaining Dhyana and Samadhi Posted: Apr 04, 2007 - 07:02 PM #12679 | ..> | ..>..> ..> 
Joined: May 08, 2006 Posts: 38 Location: Portland, Oregon Status: Offline .. --> | ..> | ..>..> ..> In my practice of Zazen, I identify all 'external' and 'internal' processes and events as occurring within the 'clear mind', conditioned and contained by my clarity of consciousness. "Kinhin" or walking meditation helps me arrive at a state of mild absorption with the least effort, and in a prolonged state of absorption 'flashes' begin to occur. Kind of like brief mild epileptic white-outs that heighten clarity and deepen absorption. Subect/Object fall away as all external stimulus is sensed as subjective and the 'world' becomes your body. It feels like being tied to a lead corpse being compressed by tremendous force. Passing beyond this state I start to experience what I call the 'house of cards' universe, where I begin to sense every experience as depending or leaning on every other condition (dharma means prop), as I can only sense a self through the use of an ego. As the conditions supporting ego fall away all action is realized as futile including the conditions surronding 'love', but you will also realize that as 'it's the only game in town' you can either (A) pass into nirvana or (B) slowly re-construct your 'self' again. I took me 3 hours to get to this state and about 3 or 4 days to get 'right' or re-constructed again. Anyway that's as far as I got. Good Luck! | .. Begin PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> .. End PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> _________________ A universe that has improbably manifested me once will improbably manifest me again.
Last edited by tazadinath on in 14° : in 09° : Anno IVxv; edited 1 time in total | | | ..> | | |  | ..>..> ..> Aum418 | ..> | ..>..> ..> Post subject: RE: Attaining Dhyana and Samadhi Posted: Apr 05, 2007 - 01:10 AM #12690 | ..> | ..>..> ..>
Joined: Oct 02, 2006 Posts: 169 Status: Offline .. --> | ..> | ..>..> ..> 93, I recommend Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda - if I had to pick one book on Yoga it would be this. Vivekananda combines the practicality of Patanjali's system with the amazingly lucid insights of the Neo-Vedanta attitude combined with some Tantra. In other words, I can find almost nothing that contradicts the Thelemic view in here (except sometimes when he has a little sentence with some subjective opinion or something which contradicts 'There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt' but they are negligible). Liber E is a practical document based upon the ideas of Ashtanga (Eight-limbed)/Raja Yoga, starting with Asana to Dharana. Dharana practices can carry you from Dharana to Dhyana to Samadhi. I also find the practice of Anapanasati (Breath-awareness) to be very good in two ways: In meditation, say at teh beginning of a meditation, it makes the mind very tranquil which is why this practice is considered Samatha in Buddhist traditions. Secondly, during the day it allows for much more mindfulness (the breath is always with you and therefore becomes a constant reminder of awareness and such instead of letting automatic superego/id take control of actions). In this way you can cultivate a sort of awareness/mindfulness that remains throughout the day - a discipline of self-control that Thelemites would find most useful I believe (Crowley says "About 90 % of Thelema, at a guess, is nothing but self-discipline" and "What is true for every School is equally true for every individual... Success in life, on the basis of the Law of Thelema, implies severe self-discipline" in Magick Without Tears). If Success is your proof, it is obvious that hte Buddha was successful and one of the pracitces he encourages at many times is this practice of Anapanasati or Breath-awareness. Combining this with spouts of sitting meditation in the style of Raja yoga/Patanjali will make your mind much more aware, clear and powerful than you thought it could be. The key, in my experience, is persistence and being without "lust of result." This indominatible Will-power and detachment from 'success' and 'fruits of action' and 'results' and 'powers' and 'trances' makes one 'progress' much further than one without firm resolution and one who is attached to getting some kind of specific 'result.' I hope some of this convoluted message can help others atatin to clarity and one-pointedness of their Mind to aid in the accomplishment of their Wills. 65 & 210, 111-418 http://iao131.cjb.net | | .. Begin PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> .. End PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> | | | ..> | | |  | ..>..> ..> tazadinath | ..> | ..>..> ..> Post subject: RE: Attaining Dhyana and Samadhi Posted: Apr 05, 2007 - 02:22 PM #12722 | ..> | ..>..> ..> 
Joined: May 08, 2006 Posts: 38 Location: Portland, Oregon Status: Offline .. --> | ..> | ..>..> ..> Aum418 Great material on your site! Integrating the teachings of TBOTL with Therevada Buddhism is the great frontier. I found lots of detailed material in wikipedia on: .. m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhyana.. m --> .. m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatana.. m --> .. m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Nidanas.. m --> I found "The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna" one of the most useful books for understanding higher trance states. "Zen Training" by Katsuki Sekida is by far the best Zen primer I've read. "Doctrine Of The Buddha" by Grimm is the best philosophical outline of the 4 noble truths I've come across. | .. Begin PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> .. End PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> _________________ A universe that has improbably manifested me once will improbably manifest me again. | | | ..> | | |  | ..>..> ..> | Aum418..l.com/nuke/modules/PNphpBB2/templates/PNTheme/images/user_offline.gif" alt="Offline" title="Offline" align="top" height="15" hspace="3" width="13"> | ..> | ..>..> ..> Post subject: RE: Attaining Dhyana and Samadhi Posted: Apr 05, 2007 - 11:14 PM #12733 | ..> | ..>..> ..>
Joined: Oct 02, 2006 Posts: 169 Status: Offline .. --> | ..> | ..>..> ..> tazadinath wrote: › .. type="text/javascript" src="http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/modules/PNphpBB2/javascript/fi_divexpand.js">..>.. type="text/javascript">Cntrct = 'Contract'; ExPnd = 'Expand'; randomId = 'd' + Math.floor(Math.random() * 2000); document.write(' Select ›‹ ExpandAum418 Great material on your site! Integrating the teachings of TBOTL with Therevada Buddhism is the great frontier. I found lots of detailed material in wikipedia on: .. m --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhyana.. m --> .. m --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatana.. m --> .. m --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Nidanas.. m --> I found "The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna" one of the most useful books for understanding higher trance states. "Zen Training" by Katsuki Sekida is by far the best Zen primer I've read. "Doctrine Of The Buddha" by Grimm is the best philosophical outline of the 4 noble truths I've come across. I would recommend any spurtle that came out of Ramakrishna's mouth - he truly 'walked the walk.' Zen meditations I have found are useful but have a different 'goal' than Ashtanga yoga. There are certain meditations all about remaining mindful in the moment which are useful for that, and there are certain meditations which attempt to attain to higher/altered states of consciousness more (but the key, ironically, is to work without 'lust of result' for these). Thank you for your flattery - some praise or criticism every now and then actually lets me know someone reads somethign I wrote! Great encouragement... 65 & 210, 111-418 http://iao131.cjb.net | | .. Begin PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> .. End PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> | | | ..> | | |  | ..>..> ..> tazadinath | ..> | ..>..> ..> Post subject: RE: Attaining Dhyana and Samadhi Posted: Apr 06, 2007 - 01:25 PM #12770 | ..> | ..>..> ..> 
Joined: May 08, 2006 Posts: 38 Location: Portland, Oregon Status: Offline .. --> | ..> | ..>..> ..> aum418 I know EXACTLY what you're saying about Zen. Sekida actually discusses the trance states associated with Zen/Dhyana. I've had horrid experiences with spontaneous trance since I was 4, and of the thousands of books I've read on Occult/Eastern thought he was the only author who had a handle on it. After having re-read 'Yoga for Yellow-bellies' i'm convinced that the Dhyana topic should be the biggest thread on this whole site. "The Doctrine of the Buddha" by Grimm is a bad translation from the German but worth the trouble....very hard to get. May the Moon of Yesod shine upon your meditations. Cheers. | .. Begin PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> .. End PNphpBB2 Attachment Mod --> _________________ A universe that has improbably manifested me once will improbably manifest me again. |
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