Dear Friends,

I joined Leaky in March of 2005, primarily because the shipping wars fascinated me and I wanted to get on the forums! I have been a Leaky Reader even longer than that, if it's even possible. I've enjoyed so much from the site, from the scoops, the spoiler reports and the movie announcements to the book discussions and character analysis. I thought I had finally found my fandom home! I made so many friends, some of them becoming intimate acquaintances!

But lately, a lot of things about the site have been very bothersome to me. The commercialization of all their activities is one thing. Instead of engaging in discussion and talking of these stories and movies, I feel like they are trying to sell me on other things they are doing! I'm pregnant, I'm not going to Leakycon, I'd like to not be bombarded about it in all forms of media!

The rules are another thing that became difficult for me. It seems as though they wanted to keep everything pure, but in doing so, didn't post news that would have been nice to hear or at least be made aware of. Instead, we get something so heavily filtered from Warner Brothers, that I haven't' gotten real new news from Leaky in some time.

The tamping down of free speech on the forums and comments are upsetting as well. They just delete things they don't like, and on the main page, it's without justification. The site feels more like a corporation than a collection of fans. I mean, we're not allowed to talk about or link our fanfiction, but every other week they mention fanfiction of someone's in Pottercast! So I guess we're only allowed to talk about things they like?

These issues I can deal with. I can live with the restrictions because I love Harry Potter that much, and Leaky as always been my main source for everything Potter. That has all changed in this last year, when I noticed a pattern too disconcerting to ignore for any longer.

Rupert Grint. Needless to say I'm a huge fan. I think he is the most talented of the young actors in the franchise, his works is brilliant, he has great potential, and he's just all in all a good guy from what I've heard. I love hearing every word and phrase of news and information about him. So of course Leaky would post any relevant news about his career, right? Right?

Wrong.

He barely gets mentioned! In tracking down other sites for Rupert news, I find there's something new nearly every day, so why doesn't Leaky post it? Do they only post the big news for the actors then? I decided to try and compare...to really pay attention.

When Dan did Equus in London, we had so much news I felt I didn't' even need to see the play because I knew about it all! Melissa even went there and saw him perform, complete with all kinds of information on his performance. That's brilliant. That's the way these things should be covered.

Every single fashion shoot Emma does is mentioned, reported on, and linked to.

So why is it that Rupert's premiere of Cherrybomb, the release of the trailer, the countless reviews, the red carpet information, the countless interviews, the magazine clippings, interviews with the directors, and screen shots of his movie barely made it onto their pages? I got brave enough to ask once, and was told that it was because they didn't' know enough about the movie. That's funny, I sure knew enough just by spending a little time on the internet.

I took this affront in stride though, thinking that maybe this just flew too low under their radar.

Recently Cherrybomb was picked up to be screened in Cannes. However, The Little Film Company informed the webmistresses of his fansites that the movie was having trouble gaining international distributors. So the sites did what any fansite would do, they spread word about a petition that the Little Film Company had set up. That was sure to get someone's attention!

Sadly, Leaky has been emailed by every fansite, and the Little Film Company for the last week, and they refuse to post the information. They won't even say why.

I find this especially disheartening, since they did the exact same thing for Dan and December Boys.

To me, this only proves that the lack of Rupert news is due to an outright bias, or a lack of interest in Rupert. I'm sorry, but if you are a Harry Potter site, you report about EVERYTHING involved in that site. Leaky obviously feels that Rupert isn't important enough.

As a Rupert fan, I feel he is important enough. More important than Emma wearing a designer outfit, more important than David Thewlis and Alan Rickman attending premier after premier (In Europe I might add), and certainly more important than the latest Pottercast, Leakycon, Wizard Rock Concert or other random tour and promotion.

The Leaky Cauldron Doesn't Care about Rupert Grint or his Fans.

This fact was cemented this week while I was listening to Pottercast. They talked of how Dan was nominated for a Drama Desk award (they never mentioned the entire production besides sound and lighting was snubbed at the Tony's, only that they don't like the Tony's as much). But they failed to remind anyone that Rupert's Film is going to Cannes? Didn't that warrant a mention at all to you guys?

Therefore, as a fan of his, I must leave this site I once loved, this site I once called home. I'm deleting my bookmarks, canceling my Myleaky page, and never using my lounge name again. I won't be deleting my lounge name because I don't want someone else to use it. I will never give them another hit on their website, because I doubt they will ever actually deliver balanced coverage of the actors.

Every time there is a post that even mentions Rupert Grint or any of the actors really in any way, this bitch has to say something. She is usually the first one to say shit about Rupert and his fans even before anyone else says anything remotely like that. Well we are sick of it. So I'm wanking her. And I will continue to do so every single time she comments on Leaky.

Rupert is a talented actor and a wonderful guy (from what I know), and he doesn't deserve vitriol from anyone.

Here's what she (and it's gotta be a woman, probably with the IQ of a 12 year old and obsessed with Dan Radcliffe) has to say about the new information on Cherrybomb.

If the film is that short, maybe it's going to be on television instead? With commercials, that would string it out for 2 hours- though that'd be a heck of a lot of commercials.
Eh, i 'm not much interested in him. Year of the grint only applies to his fans; to other people, it's still always going to be the year of the Dan, the Patterson, the Watson, whoever .
To Brittany, had trouble trying to figure out what you were trying to say, but get used to other people's opinions. It's allowed.

The film is not too short. It's the average length for an Indie film to be honest. Most movies average about 80 minutes. And I love how this bitch dismisses the move without having even researched who wrote the script and who's directing it. A quick google and the ability for cognitive reading gives me this information:

Lisa Barros D'Sa has won awards for her short films. Including best short at the Cork International Film Festival along with her partner Glen Lyburn.

Daragh Carville Daragh was the winner of the 1997 Stewart Parker Award and the 1998 Meyer-Whitworth Prize. He was Writer-in-Residence at Queen's University, Belfast from 1999 to 2002. He wrote Middletown, which won and IFTA award.

So these are Irish award winners who are finally releasing a international film on the Indie Circuit. And you'd know that if you stuck your fist in your proverbial mouth for five seconds and thought before you posted.

....mabye she's a troll....

Here is what she says about Emma's BBC interview, on the second comment by the way before anyone even said anything:

oh jeez, i can see grint fans going into conniptions because she chose Dan over Rupret rofl for the third time. They take it to such heart that once some writer made a headline that Emma would never choose Daniel that it's almost a shame to point out she never actually said that then. Of course recently there was some interview where she said she'd never date either of them but still there are some pitiful people who think she was only referring to Dan lol

That interview was harmless, the question was a joke, and her reasoning for choosing Dan is because Rupert would handle it better. What's wrong with that? Why would you start something? Are you stupid or just bored?

Here's what she said when Jessie was talking about kissing Rupert:

Poor, poor jessie. shudders Sounds like she was er, really excited about her scenes.

Why would you even comment like that? What does that prove? And no one said anything to lead to that comment either. How can you be such a bitch in a medium where no one cares?

So Jim responds to her statement with this:
Yeah radcakesfan, 'shudders' is exactly the reaction I, and no doubt others, get when seeing a post by you. I wonder if Dan realises that his No1 fan is such a sad person. I bet he and Rupert would find you hysterical!

Too true, Jim. Too true.

And she says something that makes no sense, since he didn't say anything bad about Dan and didn't deserve to be compared to her.

Ah jim. A post by you is as poisonous for grint… Your comments stink up the threads as a backed up toilet. We read your comments too.


I'm watching the comments now and every time she says something, I'm posting it here.


2009 IS THE YEAR OF THE GRINT

Does anyone else in HP have three movies coming out with amazing writers and casts attached?

...didnt' think so...

 

I would've hated it if HP suddenly turned into ONLY romance and I'm a GIRL! I love romance, hence why I'm a shipper. But, you know what? Shippers make up a small portion of the total HP fandom. There are entire groups of people out there who don't give a shit. And you know what? That's fine. Because that's not the focus of HP.

Personally, I would love to have the emotional teaspoon of Ron's. It'd probably be a collectible. (Also, I think Ron is just one big raw emotional nerve…hence why the locket affected him more! Fancy that!).

Harry Potter is first, and foremost, about Harry's hero's journey and his defeat of Voldemort. Love is an element: familial love, romantic love, friendly love…but the plot is not about those things. It's not about "who will end up with whom." That's just a side thing. So, if she had developed it too much, then it wouldn't be Harry Potter and the Mysterious Object/Person. It would be Harry Potter and Hormones.

Jo didn't get "lazy." What kind of preposterous thinking is that?

And SMeyer hasn't "stolen" a damn thing from JKR. They are very different authors and for that, I am grateful. SMeyer can't write, she said so herself.

Proof of this: When Midnight Sun leaked, Smeyer stopped writing it. Why so sad panda bear? She obviously doesn't care about her creation nearly as much as you people say she does.

But then again, any person with a brain can read a critical review and know which books are better.

Anyway, I completely agree. Why even make them stay friends? What's the point?

And this here is why you have shipped the wrong couple based on no evidence. You don't understand relationships at all. Best friends are a great thing. If you can't see the point to that just because they are of the opposite sex, then you really don't deserve to ever have a friendship as deep as that.

 Even after every friggin thing that Hermione did for him; he had the nerve (or Jo had the nerve) to completely shut her out. How DARE he? How dare she for that matter!? I don't care how in love JK claims Hermione is with Ron and his laundry none of it was believable. Down right sickening.

You mean how in love Bella is with Charlie's dinner and Edwards sparkly skin?

So what you did right there by citing the one time Hermione did Ron's laundry is you are taking one moment out of seven years and using that to base an entire character point on. I don't think you deserve to read these books.

I don't see the point. Here comes another Twilight reference (I can't help myself you see.): At least Jacob and Bella remained friends throughout the entire series. Regardless of whether people agree on the shipping or not at least everything was consistent. Hermione was completely murdered--her character. Everything about her. She might as well have made her dye her hair red and straightened. I might be satisfied then--NOT! Heh.

So you are taking one moment in the entire series…at the end…when Hermione was with her kids, and saying she is not friends with Harry? *see above comment*

I may not hate her but I don't have to agree with the absolute absurdity of her thoughts and ideals.

Haha. WHAT? So, if they don't have sex, their friendship doesn't matter? Wow. Some twu wub you've got going on there. Lol They didn't talk for TWO FUCKING MINUTES WHEN SAYING GOODBYE TO THEIR CHILDREN UNTIL THE HOLIDAYS.  Parents worry about their kids before socializing. I'm sure they all went out for lunch afterwards before going to work.

Lol Harry and Hermione are still friends! This is a ridiculous premise!

Miz_delusional

Yeah, I think thewall28304 also said in an earlier post that the 'shipping wars' in Twilight aren't really wars. In some Twilight forums I visit, both j/b and e/b fans can talk comfortably with each other, debate comfortably with each other without tension and dislike. And there are b/e fans that understand j/b fans (like me) and respect them better than some r/h fans to h/hr fans and vice-verse.

Why? Because Stephanie tried to maintain contact between Bella and Jacob so, even if j/b fans were disappointed in Breaking Dawn, they weren't completely wounded because Jacob and Bella were still there for each other. Goodness, I would been a little happier if Hermione and Harry still displayed that strong friendship in the epilogue. And yes, Hermione's wonderful character went straight down the sink from book 6 for me. She became so OOC, I was beginning to get tired of her character and then seventh book, she just annoyed me in most parts. *sigh* So sad.

And Hermione and Harry weren't still there for each other? Your proof of this is where? Oh yeah, in that book you read that no one else can see.

Lol They've never spoken to a J/B fan. BD DOESN'T EXIST!

So, because Harry and Hermione didn't have a deep and meaningful conversation in the epilogue, they're no longer friends? Are you kidding me? Jesus, I guess my best friend and I are no longer friends. I mean, it's been a whole 3 hours since I talked to her!

Hermione's character "went straight down the sink from book 6" for you because that's when her feelings for Ron and his for her became obvious even to them. You're just butthurt about your ship. Don't claim anything different.

She's not butthurt, she's been book raped. Get it right!

Hermione Vs. Bella:

Hermione does what's best for her parents even if it hurts her after much thought.

Bella will give up ever seeing her parents again just so she can marry Edward without a second thought.

Hermione is smart and unafraid to show it.

Bella gives up school to marry Edward, and tries to refuse school when he insists.

Hermione chose a man, but didn't' make her move until he showed her he could love her the way she needs to be loved, but she never gave up on him.

Bella fell in love at first sight and didn't make Edward even apologize for leaving her.

Hermione finished school, got a job, and had children, even though Ron might not have wanted to be without her while she finished up school.

Bella gave up everything to be with Edward.

Hermione makes her own decisions, even if it upsets her friends.

Bella won't do anything to make Edward mad, unless of course she's desperate to hear his voice and decides to hallucinate.

Hermione chooses her friend over her love because her friend needed her more, and she paid for it with pain in silence.

Bella gives up everything to marry Edward, even when someone else needed her more.

But just because Hermione didn't hump Harry, Hermione is the one that sends a bad message to girls?

 

But they got what they wanted, Katie, so it's okay to be hypocritical. There is no love triangle in HP. Okay, there is, between Ron/Lavender/Hermione. And guess what, they all EXPRESSED THEIR FEELINGS.

It's amazing how fast JKR lost respect from her fans and S. Meyer gained ours in the course of a year. Perhaps it's the proper way she handled the ships in her series,as opposed to the uneven way JKR wrote hers. Giving us this little appetizer about H/Hr** doesn't change the fact that she obviously let the characters get away from her and why 6 & 7 don't match 1-5.

Lol Maybe YOU don't respect Jo anymore, but please don't assume.

I don't think someone who thinks Harry loves someone even though he's never indicated he has should offer no actual authority into proper writing.

I think the reason why we got the crappy children's romance was because JKR didn't think her male readers would want to read a mushy lovestory. Therefore OBWF not only looks forced,but uneven and put together at the last minute. She didn't trust her readers to see her intended pairing play out in a loving manner and thought petty bickering and chest monsters was a strong foundation for lasting marriages.

Do you mean like where Ron, forgetting the fight they had been having for 3 months, offers to help Hermione with Buckbeak's trial? He says the rat doesn't matter after all of that just because she's crying?

Or how about when he defends her….FROM EVERYONE.

How what about in book four when he rushes over to her when Harry's fight accidentally inujures her?

Or when they communicate with just their eyes?

Or I know, it's when he holds her at the funeral?

Oh I get what you mean by a relationship based on nothing but bickering. You're talking about when Ron begged them to spare her and take his life again! That was show shallow!

 I could have accepted H/G if she had let us see them have a conversation,where they talk about their relationship and Harry lets her know how dangerous his mission is. Ginny even says in DH that she doesn't know about the horcrux hunt. So I'm having a little trouble believing in the whole "soulmate" thing,when he doesn't fully let her into his world. It's amazing that the girl he shares his most personal moments with is his "sister" Hermione.

 

But do you know who he shares even more personal moments with? Ron! Maybe by your estimation, since friendship is all that matters, Harry and Ron should end up together!

Viva La Green Eyed Weasel!!!!

JKR continued to show in DH that H/Hr's relationship had more depth than OBWF combined. I guess now she sees her mistake,but it's too late to correct it.

Um, HARRY POTTER WAS NEVER A ROMANCE BOOK.

There was just enough romance in it to make the characters believable. The way she wrote it was fine.

Part of Harry's character is that he is closed off. Also, he made a promise to DD. And he's a martyr…he didn't want to put Ginny in danger by telling her what they were up to. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO HARRY ACTUALLY IS IN THE BOOKS.

Hermione tells Ron things she never tells Harry. Harry tells Ron things he never tells Hermione. Ron would die for Hermione. Herimione couldn't even move without Ron around. Please tell me how that's not deep while Harry and Hermione…who didn't even have a confessional conversation until Ron left….is deeper!

As harry and hermiones daughter pointed out the characters were not allowed to breathe and trying to make them fit into her intended ending still doesn't make any more sense,than when we read the book last year. S. Meyer didn't bookmark a storyline and then decide in Breaking Dawn to reintroduce a possible J/B storyline just to show that E/B might not get married after all. The Twilight series flowed from start to finish where the characters developed from where they began in the first book. BD had a proper sense of closure that showed the characters being happy as well as peaceful,unlike Harry who got a peaceful ending,but not much happiness.

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An author having control over her characters??? *gasp* No waaaaaay!

As for the rest about Twilight…*dies laughing* It's a fun little romp, but anyone who thinks BD was good is a moron. Especially if they find it better than HP. Obviously, they just want wish fulfillment in their fiction rather than literature.

But JKR never introduced Harry and Hermione as a possible storyline. Nothing in the books suggest it…unless you have a special book.

Lovesharry:

Someone else has stolen the limelight and that someone no doubt is Twilight's author, Stephanie Meyer. To this I say to Rowling, "Your 15 minutes of fame is up! It's someone else's turn."I feel that Rowling is desperately trying to extend her 15 minutes of fame, by doing interviews and saying what is essentially quite controversial and that is that it could have been H/Hr. She might be thinking that by saying this it will ignite the fan wars. She said this a month ago, and it hasn't made a dent.

(I think this was pulled from another thread or I missed it, but someone quoted her and I have to address this).

Yes, because over 10 years of having a successful series is "15 minutes of fame." Try again, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

Despite what you may think, SMeyer's success does not cancel out Jo's. They don't even write the same type of thing. I'm going to say the phrase that got me in so much trouble on PK a year or so ago: you're a media whore. You'll believe anything they tell you. Guess what? SMeyer is not the next JKR! One writes self-insert masturbatory fantasy about vampires and the other writes about wizards, friendship, and love.

She throws you a bone and you accuse her of being purposefully controversial? You will never ever be satisfied, will you? OMG. Seriously, let me sum up what I know about her life and what you should too:

1. She's a mother.

2. She's a wife.

3. She's an extremely successful author.

4. She's still writing and will continue to publish her work.

5. She runs a charity.

6. FAN WARS: She doesn't have time for this shit.

Seriously, she attempts to smooth things over a little and you still won't give up thinking she's fame whore. Obviously, it's YOU who has the problem, and not her.

And guess what? Beedle made more than Breaking Dawn by about 100 million in the first few days….and that is just a COMPANION BOOK!!! Doesn't that tell you something?

You're absolutely right miz_delusional,I'm sorry the Harmonians and Herons can't get along the way E/B and J/B fans do. Herons don't understand us at all and they don't want to hear the truth that there was more than enough evidence for H/Hr to become a couple. The other added fact is they were better suited for each other because they're also an alchemical couple. I'm a E/B fan,but I respect the J/B fans and totally understand why they love their ship as much as ours. Herons fell into the trap of "If JKR said so,it must be the law" and that way of thinking has fallen through the floor because of how hollow and empty the OBWF ship is.

Since when does every author write with Alchemy the way you think it should be? Oh I forgot, you're the only person who knows anything! My bad.

The ships in Twilight have weight and substance because of the way S. Meyer wrote them in the first place. She didn't have to tell us it could have gone one way or the other because we could see it in print. We didn't need an after-the-fact statement to prove either E/B or J/B could have happened,the way JKR is trying to get back some of her fans with this latest revelation.

I don't think you understand JKR's latest quote. Harry and Hermione could have happened in those two months when Ron was gone…but she never said they would or that they would even last (especially with Harry's soulmate still around and Ron still out there). And you guys don't' represent a large enough amount of the fanbase for her to care about. And Jacob and Bella and Edward WERE ESTABLISHED COUPLES. Harry and Hermione never was. I don't mean to be beating a dead horse, but you guys are, so I thought I'd grab a stick and join you.

Those of us who could already see(not to mention the other characters in the book) that there was more to H/Hr's relationship than what was attempted to be cleared up as a sibling relationship,didn't hold water to begin with. This is just JKR's way of stating something we already knew,yet the Herons are going to continue to deny it.

I don't care if you prefer H/Hr. I just don't think there's ANY evidence for H/Hr in the books. As for alchemy…love is NOT  a formula. Ron and Hermione are suited for each other and love each other and are attracted to each other. They've been through hell and high water together.

And he was willing to die for her.

How didn't the sibling relationship hold water? If a guy and a girl are friends, never had a romantic moment, never thought about each other romantically, and even when alone for two months didn't even tickle bits…how is that not sibling like? Do you even have any guy friends?

E/B and J/B were written as a love triangle (kinda). Harry, Hermione, and Ron were NOT. Hermione NEVER loved Harry that way and nor he her. They never kissed or had a good time just the two of them. This comparison is incredibly weak.

The "other characters in the books" who "saw" H/Hr are: Rita Skeeter, Cho being jealous of Harry's friend who is a girl b/c of what Skeeter said, and a part of Voldemort's soul. You know who's on our team? Harry, Hermione, and Ron. I think we win.

Midnghtr72

I must agree, as a Twilight fan and a rather reasonable Harry Potter ex-fan. Stephenie Meyer is the new and improved JKR. I have the same feeling that JK Rowling is just trying to persuade her readers to buy her new lame-as$ book. I'm anxcious to see how her new book sells. I will not buy it and I'm hoping many people feel the same way.

LOL @ this knowing that it did better in one day than BD did in three and it's just a companion book, not the final in the series like BD was. Lol

The thing I've noticed is that while JKR and S. Meyer are very similar they have a huge major difference. S. Meyer treats her fan base wonderfully compared to Rowling. So, although I'm sure Harry Potter has a bigger fan base, Twilight will always have a STRONGER fan base. S. Meyer has never once insulted any one of her readers, and she had a much more promienent love triangle in her story. Which, to me, shows which one of these two authors is not only more intelligent but actually keeping her fans in mind.

They're similar? How? Because the media says so? They couldn't be more dissimilar.

JKR is an educated authoress with strong female characters, a healthy world view, and the imagination to make an entire world out of nothing but a boy on a train.

SM is a mormon housewife with a BA in English from a mormon university who writes her characters subservient to men and has to borrow from every other romance novel to even make her writing make sense.

Lol Never insulted? Tell that to the girl who, when SMeyer was fishing her MySpace buddies for character names, SMeyer told her that she didn't like her name flat out. Tell that to the fans who, in order to go to a signing for The Host, had to buy a book from the store plus a $2 ticket, even if they had a copy of the book (http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2008/05/twilight_author_stephenie_meye.php). It wasn't the store's policy either, it came from SMeyer and her publisher.

I'm pretty sure at Jo's signings, you could bring whichever book you wanted and you didn't have to buy it from that store.

This whole "it could have gone the other way thing," has two meanings. First its JKR admitting she is wrong and second its a way to get sales back up. Whether JKR admits it or not the H/Hr fan base is large, not large enough to plunder her sales at any rate but if she wants a good sale she needs as many fans as she can get. I will never be one of them. I no longer consider myself a Harry Potter fan. I consider myself a Harry/Hermione fan. I no longer have any other part of me that likes Harry Potter. I have completely barred Harry Potter from my life other than H/Hr, well except for Portkey. The only reason I continue to use Portkey is because everyone here is so easy to get along with, as well as being able to have intelligent conversations. H/Hr shippers rock.

Newsflash: The world does not revolve around you.

She tried to explain that she could see where someone like Kloves

She was trying to see things from your point of view.

And intelligent conversations? You mean like this one where you guys make up facts and pretend they are true? Or is it more like how you are taking a hokey romance novel and comparing it to an epic fictional series?

She didn't admit she was wrong. She admitted that you could've been right…had things gone differently, which they didn't. Basically, that she could see where you were coming from.

She doesn't have to beg for fans. You're insane if you think that. Her fans like her work and want to read as much of it as possible. Talking about it to the media? Is part of the job, but even if she didn't, it'd still sell like crazy.

Also, you do realize that without Jo, Harry and Hermione would not exist? Oh, I forgot, your ideas of them do not resemble the characters she wrote at all. Silly me.

Harry Potter romance just makes me sick. R/Hr was so poorly written that JKR had to completely destroy Hermione's character to make her "suitable" for Ron. Did anyone else notice Hermione's extreme makeover to Bitch!Hermione in HBP? I decided it was a way to get Hermione away from Harry. Its like Ginny turned into the girl I always thought Hermione would become.

Lol This obviously illustrates that you never understood the characters in the first place. Hermione has always been emotional and a bit manipulative. She reacted jealously and tried to get even with the Cormac debacle.

I think all they wanted was a mary sue, that's why they thought she was good with the hero. I don't think these posters understand what a real woman is.

Ginny was always strong minded. She was only shy in front of Harry. It was said quite plainly when Ron said something like "Normally we can't get her to shut up" in COS. That was probably too obvious for you in your search for alchemy clues for Harry/Hermione.

I wondered how things would have been written had it gone the other way. Would H/Hr be as poorly written as R/Hr, it would it flow naturally like it always has. The Lord knows how forced the other relationships were. Maybe we should be grateful JKR didn't write H/Hr she probably would have butchered the relationship just like OBHWF.

If Jo had decided to write H/Hr, it would've been written well and it would've fit the characters they would be, for they would have to be completely different.

Lol Um, do you see any canon shippers complaining? No? Oh, that must mean it WASN'T butchered and just that you wouldn't like it no matter what! Let me know if this is all too obvious for you. I'll throw in some invisible clues for you somewhere.

My question is how can something that doesn't exist flow naturally?

My problem with this entire shipping thing is that EVERYONE did care. Not just girls, not just a few guys. Everyone did. I really feel like JKR failed to recognize the attatchment people had to her characters----and she ruined it by forcing them to do things that did not fit there personality. Harry spend a lot of time thinking negatively about Hermione in DH. I don't even know why they are friends by the end of the book. As we saw from the crapilogue epilogue, JKR had to completely destroy Harry and Hermione's friendship to have OBHWF. Harry and Hermione don't speak a single word to each other in that awful ending.

Lol Not so much. Most HP readers didn't give a shit as long as Harry was happy. Newsflash: Most HP fans are NOT shippers. I know, I know…it's shocking! And you know the people who didn't care? Most of them figured, if they were asked, that it'd end up the way it did. Why? Because they weren't looking for something that isn't there!

Harry didn't spend a lot of time thinking negatively of Hermione in DH. He spent a lot of time not talking to her, sure. He was upset when she accidentally broke his wand, but he was mostly upset about DD and it took him awhile to tell her. Seriously, go back and reread. Lol

And how exactly was Harry and Hermione's friendship ruined? They didn't talk to each other for two minutes? Oh no! Hermione was upset about saying goodbye to Rose. She didn't say much to anyone. I'm sure their friendship is fine. What were you expecting? I mean, Jesus. Get over it. I thought they didn't have to speak to ~communicate~? Lol

It's a travesty that she loves someone more than Harry! Oh Noes! Harry and Hermione have their first real deep conversation in DH during "The Life and Lies…" He never told her anything like that before, while he always told Ron things like that. Harry and Hermione's relationship was at it's peak in DH…but it's not surprising that they couldn't really get close until Ron left. Because Ron was Harry's only confident that was living, and Hermione was in love with Ron. The elephant in the room needed to leave for them to even get close.

harry and hermione's daughter:

JK on the other hand, had an ending in her head already and was set on that even though Hermione's character was practically screaming at her, "wandering" in another direction. She didn't even think to let Hermione 'Jane' Granger breathe. So the same is true with Harry, and Ginny, and Ron. Forcing two characters together like H/G and assuming after you've had them making out for a whopping few months is good enough is a bad assumption. It isn't.

Lust. That's all it was. Monsters in pants chests. That's lust too. That's all it ever was--

Hermione didn't "wander" in shipping terms. She got a little too mean in OOTP and if you think Jo meant anything else, your brain "wandered" away while you were sleeping.

The fact that the thought of kissing Ginny was Harry's last thought before hit with the AK curse is a strong indication that he LOVES her. That, and you know…marrying her.



Hermione and Harry were at each other's sides twenty four seven, fought with and by each other, didn't let their pride get in the way of being friends. They were each others solace in the hard times, as many recall the Grawp scene and the Christmas scene where Harry wouldn't come out of his room. They were given the proper build up from books 1-5, and they weren't left with the happy ending they deserved. Their characters were killed. Martyred for the sake of a crappy children's 'romance'.

Too much to be expected from someone.

No, they just didn't talk for months. Oh, swoon! I want a relationship like that!

Harry and Hermione's problem is that they DON'T tell each other ANYTHING personal. We don't even know her parents' first names! Why? Harry couldn't be arsed to ask. Oh yeah, their love is so ~deep~. I want a guy who can't wait to get away from me! And I'm sure he would want me to nag him about everything! Oh yay! Twu wub!

Yes, they were friends. People are nice to their friends, you know. And they don't have an ulterior motive of twu wub either.

Harry and Hermione couldn't function without Ron. I would offer canon, but you don't really read the same books as me. Harry goes to Ron first, and hides from, lies to, and avoids Hermione. He didn't even forgive her for the broom thing until he got it back! Ron on the other hand, was forgiven for far worse the instant he even looked at Harry. Hermione left Harry's side in book five to join Ron's side. They were both on Harry's side together.

I agree. It is too late to correct it and JK was wrong about that too--just because Men aren't as emotional as women doesn't mean men don't like a well written novel. Now, I may be speaking out of turn as a woman, but even my dad enjoyed Twilight. Though he won't admit it. My brother as well enjoyed Twilight. Whereas, Harry Potter was my thing...emphasis on was, and then Twilight came along. Not everyone has the emotional teaspoon of Ron Weasley.

That Teaspoon left at the end of book six. And Ron is the most emotional, he's just not nearly as good at controlling it.

There was so much more that could've been experimented with in the HP series. If allowed to do so. Maybe Jo got lazy, maybe she wanted it to end. Who's to know? All I do know is that Hermione and Harry could've been the symbolism for a truly caring relationship--soul mates--true love, and then, maybe Twilight wouldn't have taken my first place spot. If JKR kept to her characters, if she let her characters do what they were supposed to maybe we would've gotten the ending we deserved.

Lucky for us, Twilight didn't take the first place spot. Tee hee. And Harry and Hermione couldn't have been true love. He's bored around her. She is often terse with him. They don't like the same things. Their arguments are tight and strained. Neither ever tells the other one anything about how they are feeling. And most importantly: THEY NEVER EXPRESSED ONE IOTA OF ROMANTIC FEELING FOR EACH OTHER.

However, that was not the case. And never will be. Past is past, wrongs are wrongs, and it can't be made new. Even if JKR decided to rewrite the last two books, after everything...I don't think I'd buy it. Too much there. Too many open wounds, and it would only be proof that she's only trying to regain her status as top dog. Because it's been so clearly 'stolen' by Stephenie. She deserves it. She cared about her characters... nurtured them. She admitted to loving her Characters and she wanted the readers to love them too. All of them, from Jacob Black to Edward Cullen--even Rosalie Hale (whom I love to pieces).

See, here's the thing: HARRY POTTER ISN'T A ROMANCE. Do you see heaving bosoms and Fabio on the cover? No? What do you see? Oh, is that Harry flying a broomstick? Is that Fawkes carrying them out of the Chamber? Harry and Hermione on Buckbeak? A Goblet of Fire? Harry in the Department of Mysteries? Harry and DD in the cave? Harry and Voldemort himself!?!?

I would've hated it if HP suddenly turned into ONLY romance and I'm a GIRL! I love romance, hence why I'm a shipper. But, you know what? Shippers make up a small portion of the total....

continued on in part III

Katie = Green

Sam = Red

Harmonians= Still delusionally italicized.

Before anyone asks, I didn't go looking for this. I was on The Twilight Cornfield when I saw this. I ended up going to the original thread b/c, on the TC post, I couldn't really tell who said what and when it was a quote within a quote. I pointed Sam in its direction and she suggested a new blog post! So, here we are!

AdamAntEve:

What is it with authors and their stupid preferred ships? They can't let fans have their own minds anymore?

Fixed! "What is it with fans and their stupid preferred ships? They can't let authors have their own minds anymore." I'm a Jacob/Bella shipper, but at least it has canon on its side, unlike Harry/Hermione. But, I always knew E/B would happen. I never thought J/B would. I never had to come up with theories of alchemy just to make my ship happen.

Yeah. Bella said "I love you too". That's something Harry and Hermione never said to each other. So what is it with fans who take great characters, add personality traits to them that they don't have, put thoughts in their heads that never happened, and then tout it as the truth?

You don't have to read the books, you know, AdamantEve. I suggest you stop, because obviously you don't understand the characters. But go ahead and continue to write Harry like a whiny, lamenting figure who constantly spouts sweet nothings like some Shakespearean hero instead of the reluctant and courageous young man he actually is. Oh, and having Hermione as a Mary Sue instead of a flawed and still amazing character is exactly what you should have gleaned from the books! (sarcasm)

It's kinda depressing, but I'd take this heartbreak approach 100x over JKR's "they're only platonic and I never saw them as romantically involved they're brother-sister" drivel.

::bangs head on wall:: Why do I always end up talking about JKR and the knife she stabbed me with?

Why are you so affected by fictional characters? Some of us have real problems. And it's not JKR's fault that you took two people who never said they had feelings, even when we were in the mind of one, and gave them feelings for each other. I'm sorry you can't read. I'm sorry you've never had those amazing platonic relationships between a man and a woman and you don't understand how they work. Trust me, there is love there, but there is nothing sexual.

Why isn't that enough?

I'm glad Meyer went with the flow. There are ways to stick to one's plan when writing a story, but it's always best to let characters take you with them in their natural paths.

Well, the thing is that Jacob/Bella was never going to happen. It was apparently just a plot device she used to be able to have more than one book like the publisher wanted. In fact, in Breaking Dawn, she "fixes" them where they strayed with some mega deus ex machina, so there goes the "natural path" argument.

Also, Harry and Hermione were always meant to be friends. Jo didn't have to write a love triangle just to have plot because, well, HARRY POTTER ISN'T ABOUT ROMANCE BUT TWILIGHT IS. Seriously, get that through your thick skull.

How is not having Harry and Hermione together not letting the characters take their natural progression? That implies that Harry and Hermione had developed feelings for each other?

And furthermore, I understand you're a Harmonian, but why are you making up facts? JKR never said that Harry and Hermione were developing feelings, she never made any inkling like that in the books….ever. So why are you operating under the assumption that the person who made the characters, thought up the characters, and basically is the only person who knows anything about the characters didn't have control over her story? We are both fanfic writers, and if you develop certain traits in a character, they are going to stay in character if you are a good writer. You're basically adding things to these books that aren't there to make yourself feel better about adding things that aren't there.

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I would never take it personally if a bunch of readers had an opinion different from mine. That's just the way of the world. There's too much unnecessary drama, I think, in all of this, "Oh, I know how she feels now that I'm in the same position. Why are they all picking on us authors?"

You sure as hell take it personally when an author has a different opinion from yours. "XD XD XD

Yes. JKR book-raped me too."

Pot, Kettle: Meet Black.

Black of course being the notion that you are the only person entitled to exactly what you want when enjoying someone else's creation. Do you wanna do me a favor and call NBC and tell them that Peter and Claire shouldn't be related so that they will change the entire characterization and history of the show to please me?

The thing is, there's just too much sympathy for something that really isn't a huge deal, even in a situation where an author writes something and several fans think they can do better. They ought to take themselves less seriously, is what I think. Too much w*nkage isn't healthy.

Who ought to take themselves less seriously? The authors? Or the fans? You know, the ones who feel "book-raped"?

 I know by writing this, I'm a contradiction, but c'mon. It's been awhile.

Wanking is not serious, Katie. LOLS!

StarbuckJr: "Also, i don't understand how JKR deserves more of my sympathy than any other person."

Adamanteve: Because she was depressed.



Wah! That was a joke!

(No it wasn't.)

I'm kidding!!!

No, really, that was a joke! I know what that thread stirred up, so yes, I am indeed joking. I couldn't resist

This again? Seriously? You are not funny. At all. The fact you think it's something to be joked about shows that you are pretty heartless. I think this was said around the time their comments about Jo's statement of being suicidal were made and exposed for the vitriol they are.

As a person who suffered from suicidal thoughts and depression, it's a hard thing to get back in to your normal self. Harry helped her to do that. If your mother just died from a long and painful disease, you left your abusive husband, and you were living on Public Assistance, wouldn't you be a little depressed?

Oh I forgot, you think Harry and Hermione loved each other, so you don't really understand human emotion!

StarbuckJr

It's like i got book-raped and now can't have a relationship with any piece of literature because i can't trust anymore.

I hope they're being hyperbolic. I mean, seriously? Being afraid to read because your ship didn't happen in a series that wasn't about romance? Seriously? Guess what: my Twilight ship didn't happen. In fact, he imprinted on her freaking baby. Sorry, my burn is harsher than yours and I'm not afraid to read anything new.

And our Twilight Ship actually existed. So we got what we wanted and had it taken away. And do you know what? That's not why I hate the books. Because I knew who Bella loved more. I actually understand that sort of thing.

Jennychan

I've read S Meyer's Host and I've read her Twlight series I think I get where she's coming from. She's not all that worried about her fans opinions of her ending being good or bad. I've seen a few of her interviews and she's really humble. She's talked about the love triangle between Ed/Bella/Jacob and I think that's where she relates to JK. Cause when Breaking Dawn is released there will be people who will say *---* belonged with *---* Just like some thought Hermione belonged w/ Harry ( 

The difference being that there is no love triangle with Ron, Harry, and Hermione. Harry Potter is not about romance. It's a part of it, yes, because romantic love is one of the types of love explored in the books. But, it is not the center of the plot. It is a subplot that helps characterization.

Yeah. How can there be a love triangle if one pair doesn't ever feel that way about each other?

If you call that style of writing humble, I have a swamp to sell you in Florida.

I believe Meyer is a bit more respectful when interacting with her fanbase than JK was. JK really didn't show much respect for Harmonies in that sad excuse for an interview. We all know it. That's when I started disliking her shipping perfrences aside. Meyer said she liked both boys and respected all fans of either ship.

Yeah, she was so respectful to J/B shippers when she had him imprint on her baby and basically erased all their previously feelings for each other. Yeah, okay…. Talk to a J/B shipper and then get back to me on that. Lol

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JK NEVER CALLED YOU DELUSIONAL. She has even thrown you a bone with the "what could have been" comment in Harry, a History. Now, that wasn't known when this comment was made, so maybe you've changed your mind. But, still. Just as you are under no obligation to worship at Jo's feet, she's has no obligation to make you feel better about your ship preference. SMeyer actually did write two different ships and probably expected to have people prefer Jacob, Jo did not .

She had no idea that two characters she never intended to fall in love, never wrote having any feelings for each other, and didn't have anything about their personalities that would make them a pair would be shipped. She didn't know  people would be changing her characters so dramatically.

thewall28304 Completely agree with everything you said. Meyer's characters changed naturally and she hasn't tried to wring them back if they 'stray' like JK did. I respect JK for it took ALOT of imagination to pull off HP. She is a great writer but I felt that people put a little to much faith in her writing. This, I feel, showed greatly with the release of HBP&DH. While I believe DH was a huge improvment over HBP which was probably the worst of the series.

And why do you assume that the change JKR was talking about was romantic? Couldn't it more likely be that Hermione was becoming too powerful and gifted and that JKR needed to humanize her?

Ummm. How did Bella grow and change? She sacrificed her family, her friends, her humanity and her life to be with a guy…and she became so obsessed with him that she didn't live when he was away. And do you know what, she was the same throughout the entire series. She's antifeminist, but that's not what this wank is about. And she never even had to go through anything to get what she wanted! No change of heart! No lessons learned.

Breathes in deeply…

So let me get this straight: You would rather have a character who waits on men hand and foot, only lives for them, never learns or changes or tries to better herself over a character who is strong yet vulnerable, loving and powerful, independent and loyal friend all because she picked the wrong husband?!?! Are you serious? Please tell me you're too young to know better.

Which is sad for the Herons and Chocos out there. The ending of HP felt very rushed to me and somewhat anti-clamatic. As for leaving things unchecked, you're completely right. I still don't know what the hell the Veil is and it drives me mad. ..

Does anyone here know? Cause honestly! How could she leave that open?

Lol What? We're very happy, thank you. Please don't feel sorry for us. WE actually know that the stories about Harry's hero journey and not who he marries. WE actually know that the fact that he is happily married with a family at the end is the best ending possible because he has what he always wanted: a family. WE actually care about Harry and what he wants. And guess what? He NEVER wanted Hermione. GET OVER IT.

If you don't know what the Veil is just from reading the books, then it's no wonder you thought H/Hr was going to happen. YOU CAN'T READ. All that alchemy killed your brain. (Kids, this is your brain on drugs).

Preach it, Katie!

thewall28304

I totally agree and after I read the first three books of the Twilight series,I gained so much more respect for her as a writer and lost respect for JKR. I'm glad that she acknowledges that there are fans of both E/B and J/B and that one ship is not "obvious" over the other. I think the reason why readers enjoy her books,is that she really took the time to create both relationships to a point where it could go either way. Meyer lets her characters be teenagers and have mature feelings. Not twelve year olds trapped in teen bodies,still in the awkward stage of whether they like the person or not.

Well, this explains everything. You just wanted a romance novel, which Harry Potter is NOT! It never claimed to be! No wonder you were disappointed.

She wrote two ships, JKR did not. Harry and Hermione were never an option. I wonder if you'd stop "book raping" yourself if you just allowed that FACT to enter into your clouded world of self-dissilusion

I'm glad that you enjoyed the fact that when we got all ready for a fight at the end of Twilight Series, one never came, Alice just conveniently showed up with Deus Ex Machina…I mean Nahuel. Obviously your mind can't handle something has complicated as a story arc.

JKR made her mistake in thinking that based on those two big website moderators,they were speaking for all the fans of the Potter series. So she was surprised to find out not everybody agreed with her intended OBWF ending and was unaware at how many people thought the way she wrote H/Hr was going to lead to a romance. I'm hoping that when Breaking Dawn is released next month it will end in a way that will not leave us with a lot of questions the way the Potter series did and I'll be happy with however it turns out.

Oh, I forgot you have special insight into what Jo thinks; you must have to be wearing the same goggles you wear when reading the books that made you see H/Hr as a possibility.

Yeah. I don't remember her being surprised that people understood what she was writing.

She chose them because they ran the two most popular fan sites. Simple as that. She wasn't aware of you? Oh no! lol Maybe you're not as many as you think. 

I really wish I had been a fly on the wall when you read BD.

I know. I didn't realize this wank tacular wankness was so old! I've been bitching about Breaking Dawn. I wonder if anyone changed their mind? Probably not, since these are the same people that can't be troubled with facts.

At the end of HBP,things were still up in the air,yet JKR had to state in the IOD that the OBWF ship had been established. If it was that cut and dry,there was no need to have the teen drama over the locket,just to prove that H/Hr was never going to become a couple. We didn't need her to use Harry as a puppet after what she had just said in the IOD.

No, they weren't. She didn't HAVE to. She was asked. Imagine what would have happened if they HADN'T asked her? Lol The interviewers even said they thought it was obvious, but they asked anyway. Just because you couldn't comprehend it, doesn't mean the majority of readers didn't.

I bet if you guys hadn't made up that ship and messed with the whole fandom, that Memerson wouldn't have even had to ask that question. And if someone never says, thinks, or does anything to indicate they have feelings…how is that still up in the air?

The locket was all about RON. Not H/HR!!! For Christ's sake! It was all about Ron overcoming his insecurity and he found out that they were based on NOTHING! Jesus Christ!

And how the hell was Harry a puppet? You honestly only care about Harry if he ends up with Hermione, don't you? If that doesn't happen, then he doesn't matter apparently.

Which shows a serious lack of love for the characters that they claim to know best.

JKR could take notes from that in having all of the characters in question,solving their differences. Showing two characters talking about the third isn't what I call an effective way of solving a relationship misunderstanding. However that's what we saw in DH between Harry and Ron and if you ask me that's some pretty poor writing.

Oh yes, God forbid an author have CONFLICT and realistic situations in their books! I mean, friends never ever talk about each other under dire circumstances! Never in the history of the world does that ever happen! Everyone talks about their issues in the real world, don't they! That's why we have rainbows and unicorns and pumpkin pie, dontcha know? *roll eyes*

Seriously, I refuse to believe anyone is this stupid. They have to be kidding.

And how do you know Ron didn't eventually come clean with Hermione? That's always the number 1 thing I want to ask her…Did Ron ever tell Hermione what happened with the locket. All people grow and change, Ron needed to learn a few things before he could open up that wound again.

Truer words were never spoken. S. Meyer could have gone the malicious route after Eclipse and told the J/B shippers that they should go back and "re-read" the first two books,to see that they wouldn't end up together,but she didn't.

You do realize that Jacob and Bella was written as a possibility right? I mean, she did say she loved him, she did need him around, she did enjoy his affection. When did Harry and Hermione ever do any of that?

 She knew that there were as many J/B fans as well as E/B fans and she respects whichever ship you like. JKR said she got alot of hatemail from the older H/Hr fans. Soon after DH came out, she dismissed us in thinking H/Hr had romantic feelings for eachother and agreed with the younger OBWF fans that "got" what she wrote in canon.

It's not about age. I don't know what you mean. Most people saw it for what it was. Even middle aged women can make up things to make themselves feel better. Age and reading comprehension don't always go hand in hand.

Twilight's fanbase will turn out to be the strongest,because the love triangle was written better than the way JKR handled H/Hr/Ron. I grew to have more respect for Jacob because at least he let Bella know how he felt,although her heart already belonged to Edward. Jacob didn't sit and pout in a corner and the reader has to make an educated guess as to whether he has feelings for her or not. That's what we got with R/Hr and how poorly that ship was written.

See, but she knew she had written Jacob and Bella romantically. JKR never wrote Harry and Hermione in a romantic way. So, her telling you to go back and read was sound advice and an indication that she truly thought you had misunderstood her.

Also, SMeyer said a couple of times that E/B was it, so, there goes that comparison.

Well, JKR did get a lot of hatemail from you guys. You bragged about it, didn't you? She got death threats too. Stay classy, Harmonians.

You don't seem to be getting it: Jacob, Bella, Edward was a love triangle…sloppily written, but still a love triangle.

The Trio was never a love triangle! NEVER! It's all in your head!

I know, why does the author have to be nice to people who made up lies about her stories based on nothing in the books.

It took becoming the guy Hermione was already in love with (Harry) and a self-help book in order for Ron to win her.

See? You don't get the characters at all. Hermione was never in love with Harry. And Harry was never in love with her. If you think that, then of course you would think that Ron was acting like Harry. You think everything is backwards from what it really is. Maybe this is an undiagnosed mental illness!

I know the Potter series wasn't completly romance novels but an author should have the decency to properly set up the pairings,so the reader doesn't feel like they were written at the last minute.

You mean like in book two when it's Ron who cares Hermione is crushing on Lockheart (and we know this because HARRY WAS THINKING NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!!)? Or how about in book two when it's Ron who constantly defends Hermione against the mean and cruel words? Oh I know! It's when Ron looks at Hermione's empty seat and that is what makes him go to the forest, while Harry isn't thinking that at all? Oh wait, it was probably when Ron was the one to get all giddy about Hermione being better?

Looks like unclear to me!

The characters in Twilight are given equal page time and the love triangle is given a proper beginning,middle and end throughout the four books. I think alot of the readers that started off Potter fans have moved further toward Twilight,mainly because the love story is not as adolescent and immature. Tempest, an admin over at SugarcoveredQuills said it best in regards to comparing H/Hr to E/B-at least E/B get to have the opportunity to enjoy being a couple,whereas it is stolen from H/Hr of having. I couldn't have put it better myself.

 Lol What? HERMIONE WAS NEVER IN LOVE WITH HARRY!!! It was always RON! Jesus tapdancing on a cracker!

She did set up the pairings, but HP isn't about romance so they didn't get together until the end! Did you miss Harry saving the world? 

Not as adolescent and immature? Lol lol lol lol lol All Edward/Bella boils down to is LUST. I thought that was taboo! I thought H/Hr was all about TWU LUB! Lust is bad! Ginny's a slut! Ron's abusive!

But, it's okay that Bella throws herself at Edward and he disables her truck to prevent her from seeing a friend? Oh, the irony is killing me.

But they got what they wanted, Katie, so it's okay

The rest of this blog is in another entry. I had to do it in two parts.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/8/14/half-blood-prince-movie-pushed-to-july-2009

fuck them. fuck them in their stupid asses.What can we do to make WB feel it? They need to stop taking the fans for granted. If it weren't for Rupert Grint, I would stop supporting the movies right now, sell all my dvds, and put an end to it.But I can't do that to Rupert. Would you do that to this face???





So we need to punish them. This is fucked up.First things first, let's flood their inbox.

http://www.warnerbros.com/main/help/customer_service.html

And if anyone has any other ways we can shout at them, let me know. I'll keep posting.This is only step one.

Hey folks! It’s my first guest blog. (Sarah, Arrogant_Sage, Queenraven)

Don’t forget to read the other blog entries as they are quite spectacular and spot on. Much love to Sam and Katie.

You may have seen this post before as it used to be at EW.net. It came about because I have always been entertained by the similarities between H/Hr and H/G. It also shows why one pairing is superior to the other.

Truth be told, I always kinda saw H/Hr similar to H/G. I found when the two groups would debate it would always make me laugh. They both feature a clueless Harry. They both have to wait for him to "notice" them. And they are both shown as languishing in love with Harry. Not to mention the fact that Ginny is called Harry’s fangirl, but Hermione is characterized by the Harmonians as someone who does everything for Harry.

She has no motivations of her own except to make life better for Harry:

 She doesn’t like Quidditch because she wants to support Gryffindor, she likes Quidditch because Harry plays on the team.

She doesn’t defend House Elves because they get a raw deal, she does it because Harry freed Dobby.

She doesn’t start the D.A. because she truly wants to learn how to defend herself, she does it so that Harry will have something important to do.

 

And many more things that Hermione does that is attributed solely to helping out Harry. Polyjuice potion, trapping Rita, Slug Club, etc.

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The biggest difference between the two is that Harry didn’t get a chance to really know Ginny until his 5^th year. He had already spent 5 years with Hermione on almost a daily basis. I’m okay with the concept of him taking a while to notice how he feels about Hermione (like he did with Ginny), but the places to put the hints were not used appropriately.

 

The two times someone mentioned that he and Hermione were an item, he laughed with no more thought to it than amusement. It certainly doesn’t bode well for that pairing if that’s his reaction. Think about that. Two separate people..no three people shoved the idea of being romantically interested in Hermione and Harry didn’t bother to think about it. Shrugged it off as unimportant and completely inaccurate.

And when he is presented with the one relationship (R/Hr in Herbology class) that should have him truly thinking about Hermione, his thoughts don’t single her out. He thinks about how the friendship between the three of them will be affected. He wonders how they will act under the influence of butterbeer in a dimly lit room. It doesn’t make him angry, in fact, he decides he has more pressing matters to worry about.

 

But when he thought about Ginny and Dean cozied up in Madam Puttifoot’s haunt for happy couples, he scowls. He’s not worried about how their relationship affects his friendship with either of them.

Harry and Ginny have never needed some kind of laundry list to prove that they are compatible. It’s right there on the page how they enjoy each other’s company. In spending time with Ginny, Harry has never wanted to be somewhere else or include someone else. He enjoys being on the Quidditch team with her. He enjoys quiet walks down by the lake with her. He enjoys just hanging out with her. They share a similar sense of humor. And if there’s one thing we should know about Harry it’s that humor is extremely important to him.

 

Another important factor about Ginny is that she may have a shorter fuse than Hermione, but she isn’t argumentative. She doesn’t easily slide into a row when she disagrees. She disagrees in an easier manner. Comments like "Lucky you" and "There’s no need to take that tone" are presented with grace and without rancor. Not to say that Hermione doesn’t do that from time to time, but she usually responds acidly or sharply. That doesn’t make Hermione a lesser being, just that her basic personality isn’t suited to Harry in a romantic way. She is exactly what he needs in a friend though.

All in all, Ginny isn’t trying to save Harry. She believes in him just the way he is. She treats him as a grown man who is capable of making his own decisions. She easily disagrees when she thinks he’s wrong, but isn’t going to badger him into changing. Hermione believes in Harry’s abilities and she respects him, but she is also doing her best  to save Harry from himself most of the time. (And it’s funny because as much as that is ingrained her personality, she doesn’t try to save Ron from himself.)

 

 

Hey everyone! This is Katie (mollywobbles)! Sam has given me the reigns for this one as she can’t really do the MySpace thing from work.

I think the best place to start would be to address the other blog (anyone else getting a LOST vibe? We’re the surivivors and they’re the others? Moving on). First let me relish in how important the SCQers have made me feel. I didn’t know my words had such an effect on them. Go ahead, revel in it yourself. I’ll wait.

You done? Good.

Let’s get on with the show! They are in purple, I’m in blue. Their words are also enormous. That means they’re important! lol

It seems as though we have a few unfortunate people looking at our blogs, perfect example is the lovely reply to the blog 2 bellow about herons etc. It seems that the herons are either wanting a myspace war or are just so pathetic they have to check up on what we are saying ALL the time.

Oh, yes, I forgot we are the unfortunate people.

As far as I can tell, we are not the people who hacked into a private blog just because we were so curious to see what they were saying. A few of us have snuck in as members there and that was a lot of fun for awhile. But, the difference is (I’ll spell it out for them): A public forum is accessible to anyone. All you have to do is register. It takes maybe a total of two minutes, depending on how slow your connection is.

Now, I’m going to speak for Sam here for a little bit, but only because she’s said this to me every time it’s come up: she was incredibly obvious. I mean, c’mon. How thick can you get? LunaThomas was a R/Hr shipper who "shipped" D/E as well and Sam was her beta. If anyone had ever said, "You’re Sam, aren’t you?" she would’ve fessed up, unlike a user at EW who will remain unnamed at the moment because that’s neither here nor there.

Now, a PRIVATE blog would take a good couple of days to hack into. One of you did that because you were soooo curious to see what we were saying. The only reason the blog was private was not because Sam was ashamed of what she was saying, but she wanted to give us a private place to vent. You know, so we could get things off our chest without posting on your forums. So, if you think about it, it was a service to both sides. If you hadn’t been so curious, the cat would still be alive and you’d be none the wiser.

First it was spying on the SCQ forum and relaying it back to the "queen" (if that is what you call someone who has no life and just sits there and picks apart posts for a living), then it went to picking on H/Hr and D/E shippers on the PK forums and now they have started the attack on myspace.

You know, I’m just now really reading this darn thing as I couldn’t make it through the second paragraph last night before I started laughing my ass off. Well, I’ve already addressed part of it.

Ad hominem looks really bad on you, Nat. I’m fairly certain that Sam does a heck of a lot more than this stuff. In fact, she’s said several times that this kind of thing is just purely fun for her. It’s stress release. I can certainly understand that. I’m getting a slight high from it myself.

Yes, poor PK users. How dare I point out the awful things they were saying about Jo! Yes, I am in the wrong for standing up for Jo, and in effect, anyone else who has suffered from depression and may have found comfort in Jo’s words. Yes, anytime I see someone I like being made fun of for once having thoughts of suicide, I should just keep my mouth shut. Especially when said people have the facts all wrong. I find it really sad that that thread wasn’t closed until people started disagreeing with what they were saying. So, you can say awful things about someone like that, but you can’t say nice things about them and disagree with people who are saying awful things? Hypocrites.

Oh, and as far as I can tell, you are the ones who blogged about this blog. If you don’t want us to read it, make it private! We won’t hack into it. We don’t care that much.

Well at least we didn’t hide the fact we are pissed off. I bet they are all wondering what "The important People" blog is about and well I bet they think it is about them. Well guess what IT ISN’T, we don’t need to hide our anger towards you, we aren’t cowards like you lot are, we aren’t paranoid about what people say about us....So here is an idea

LEAVE US ALONE and go and talk about YOUR ship and what YOU love about it instead of sitting there reading H/Hr posts and blogs and sit there picking them apart. It obviously is a sign that your ship is getting boring and you have nothing to talk about anymore.

No, actually, I don’t even know what the hell "The Important People" blog is and I don’t really care.

So wait, you’re not cowards and you’re not afraid for us to read what you have to say (for the record, neither am I), yet you want us to stop reading what you have to say? What kind of batshit logic is that?

 

How about you go talk about your ship? We talk about it plenty at EW, Leaky, MN, and wherever else we choose.

I’ll let Sam address the last bit of the blog about our blogging about their blogging about our blogging...*head explodes* She’s in green.

I know there will probably be a massive blog written about this but it just proves my theory that the herons are rather pitiful people who have nothing better to do with their lives.

There are a lot of definitions for this sentence. The first one is a syllogism.

Example of a syllogism "If God is love, and love is blind, and Ray Charles is blind, then Ray Charles is God"

You are missing the middle, and skipping right to the conclusion. You can’t expect us to just not respond to this, and yet you make our response conditional on the your assumption that we have nothing better to do so we will write a response.

But here you are missing the middle.

The middle being, you offend us, and have done so on a regular basis, and anyone with any sense of pride will respond.

I could also think you are trying to use some sort of cognitive dissonance on us...where you are at war with your own mind. IE : You seem to be upset about ranting blogs, when you (a plural form of anyone associated with the current conflict) yourself rant and rave in hidden posts and in your own blogs. It’s a conflict of two opinions in your own mind.

So you are trying to invoke a cognitive dissonance in our minds as well, by making me question my own motives when wanting to respond to yours.

I am not experiencing this conflict, however, as I enjoy discussion and debate.

Finally, is this projection?

Where you project your personal feelings about yourself on someone else?

That one is self explanatory.

Well said, Sam.

Now that’s taken care of, let’s all send out vibes to WB to release more pics from HBP, shall we? Oh, and good vibes toward Jo and WB in their upcoming April 14th trail concerning the Lexicon suit.

This was my first reaction to their other blog about us:

 

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=345008007&blogID=374657732

At least we’re special! Finally! Recognition through imitation! I’ve been waiting for so long.

Author’s note: At least when I blog, I do more than just tell other people to shut up and fuck off. I actually pick apart arguments. Here we have discussion...

And now, to pick apart this...very poorly written, fraught with poor grammar, and having no real arguments beyond swearing and insults...for lack of a better word...blog:

Well what can I say. Over the last week I have noticed the biggest load of bullshit. Bitches who want to start war with us. All I will say is bring it on! You don’t scare us. It only proves to us that your completely ridiculous and jealous that we wont go away and that we are enjoying fandom just as much as you. I don’t care it ended up as R/Hr. Power to it I say. I mean who cares about fictional characters. It’s just a story. Why are you going to places where all you do is complain that no one agrees with you.

Well...ummm...let’s try to focus on the content and not just whiny filler shall we? There was one question...I think in there. The rest seems to be bullshit and bitches and the rantings of someone who’s having a lot of trouble making a point. The answer to the final question:

Because we can. And so can you. And ummmmmm isn’t that what you are doing right now? It’s hard to understand exactly what’s being said, but I answered the jist of it, didn’t I?

And that leads me to my next point.

You had a point?

You have no fucking right to tell anyone who is allowed to be a part of a fandom. Go and fuck yourself with that thought.



Well...if you don’t like the books, you dont’ like the author, and you hate most of the characters...how are you a fan again? I think I missed something.

Because guess what it doesn’t all have to do with shipping. People out there generally love the fact that there is another part to the plot and that it has nothing to do with romance.

Says the people who basically say JKR was drunk when she wrote the final book? Why are Harmonians the only ones insulting her about the mental illness? If it has nothing to do with romance, then why are the only ones spreading this vitriol the ones who wanted a different ROMANTIC outcome than what happened.

For us, it really isn’t about romance. We loved the books. And Ron and Hermione being in love were part of the books. You loved the books, and Harry and Hermione being in love was a condition of your love of the books. So it’s you who values the romance.

And aren’t you a site shipping two British Teenagers....real ones? How is that healthy?

To Kitty your a looser. I have nothing more to say than just that.

I think the LOSER is the one who cannot spell right when insulting an internet enemy.

To Sam. Get of your fucking high horse. Yes Im saying it because ive finally read all your ’canon love’ bullshit and I am just disgusted with you. Your sick in the head. your views arent always gonna be the same as anyone else. I just saw your dubbed ’Queen of the Herons’ pfft your more the ’Queen Pain in the Arse’.

Can you be the Queen of an adjective?

And as for the rest of it. I am okay with people disagreeing with me. I spent six hours on Saturday in a Caucus with Obama and Hillary supporters alike. One of those groups didn’t agree with me. But guess what? I got to stand up and pick apart their opinions! That’s how the real world works. If you don’t like something, you talk about why you don’t like that. I don’t like Hillary’s health care plan, but did the Precinct delegate from her camp tell me to fuck myself? Nope.

It’s not sick to pick apart arguments. It’s sick to ship real people. It’s sick to insult a woman’s sanity, a woman you don’t know. It’s sick to get so obsessed with a children’s book that you write blogs that say nothing but expletives at people who don’t agree with you.

Try talking about WHY you don’t agree instead of just shouting like a petulant child.

Mollywobbles Go get stuffed. Go stick to your heron forums and stay the FUCK away from ours. We dont want you there. We dont need you there. And dont say its to protect Jo bullshit. your just a bored human being who finds pleasure in picking apart people’s posts.

Katie can answer that herself.

To all you others who find pleasure in picking apart peoples posts. No let me rephrase that those who love STEALING peoples posts and then pick them apart. Just only goes to show. Your sad. nothing more than just that. Sad.

It’s not stealing if you post it on the internet. Public domain. You hacked into my blog...and I tried to make that private. But when you post something where anyone can see it, then you welcome anyone to criticize it.

Now finally I don’t give a shit who reads this but let it be known. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM SCQ if you don’t support our values. hell let it apply to any place where your not welcomed.

So wanting two teenage celebrities to fuck is a value now?

ALERT THE VALUES VOTERS! WE HAVE LEGISLATION TO MAKE!

AdamantEve:

Great, now that she suffered depression and had thoughts of suicide, we can’t rag on her.

Well, isn’t that a shame. Before you got to insult her personally for not writing a book the way you wanted it to. Now, you can downgrade a serious mental illness. I swear, not only do Harmonians have no sense of reality, but the reality they think they have is so skewed that people can’t even suffer without it being tied with the sex lives of fictional characters in children’s novels.

(But you know I will: "Boo hoo! I was so poor and my husband left me. I had to type Philosopher’s stone twice because I couldn’t afford the price of photocopying and I used a typewriter. So hardcore unlike you word processing encoder p*ssies. I was so depressed I wanted to kill myself. But now I have so much money and my excouldkissmyarse and I am so deliriously happy right now that I realized I wasn’t depressed at all back then, just suffering the usual problems that many divorced mothers the world over have had to deal with without the benefit of making a mint out of a bestselling book."

This is worthy of vomit. I think I’m going to give this link to any person who will listen. These people should be so ashamed. Money has nothing to do with mental illness. I’m afraid to divulge my personal bout with mental illness and suicide anyone near this fandom now considering how insensitive they are being to a woman who lost her mother, was abused by her husband, was on welfare, had the chemical composition in place for depression, and had a child she was obligated to care for instead of working on making herself better. And no one to fall back on, cry on, or listen to her. Harry played that role…and it was flimsy at best.

Do actually hate her, stemming from your belief that Harry and Hermione snogged is one thing. But to turn it into something as insensitive, cold, and disgusting as this is beyond me.

LovesHarry: (a name I find really ironic. If you loved Harry, you would want him with whoever makes him happy)

When I read the headline on the news on the internet the first thing I said to myself (and aloud no less!) was, "what she wouldn’t do to get publicity!". She’s like Britney Spears who seems to gets a high from the publicity. I half expect Rowling to pull a "Britney" to the photographers next time she gets photographed exiting a car

So the woman finally has the courage to talk about something I can barely whisper about to my closest family members, and you say this.

There’s no need to ask why there is hate. You hate a woman who brought you a beautiful fictional world that you became engrossed with. You are an ungrateful bitch who is mad because the books didn’t turn out like you wanted them to.

FairyCat:

WTH?!? Why is this news? Big deal. I think everybody has had depressing thoughts at least once in their life that can sometimes lead to suicidal thoughts. To tell you the truth I would have been amazed if she claimed she has never been depressed a day in her life. Now that would have been news.

You know what? Maybe having an idol speak publicly about such a growing problem will help the people who really need it seek help.

Oh wait, I forgot…you’re a Harmonian. You don’t understand real human emotions.

HarryandHermionesdaughter (should I even quote her, since she doesn’t exist?)

To be fair, I can understand that, and I empathize. But we all deal with things, a lot of times seemingly unbearable things, and she’s not depressed now so why bring it up?

Of course it’s only to piss off the 1 percent of the potter fandom that ship Harry and Hermione…lol. I’m surprised that hasn’t found it’s why in yet.

She brings it up because now that she’s over it, it’s easier to talk about. Trust me, I know. Obviously you don’t know anything.

 And anyway she had it on her site to begin with...if anyone wanted to know she could have pointed them in the direction of her website. Goodness. And I don’t believe its a propaganda, but I do believe that since she’s gotten her fame and fortune she’s fogotten the little people who’ve gotten her there, i.e. the shippers/readers and HP Lexicon, who she openly said is where she got her information on her own books, which she doesn’t/didn’t reread.

I don’t think she’s forgotten a single person. This woman is amazing to her fans. She could pull an Anne Rice you know. But she doesn’t. She gives interviews to podcasts and promises us an encyclopedia.

And shippers brought her where she is today? Are you fucking kidding me? Most people aren’t active shippers. And moreover, you are just mad because you don’t want to admit how horribly wrong your interpretation was, so you’re trying to pretend that the creator or the books, the writer of the world, the person who thought of the plot is somehow wrong.

That’s so illogical it hurts my head. How can she be wrong when she’s the only one who can even know what’s right? You can’t write a book and say it’s by her…she created the world, so it’s only her who gets to decide what happens.

(Perhaps is the reason why she didn’t see where Hermione was going and was leading her blindly on a leash, and which makes the theory more objective than subjective about her stealing ideas from Fanfiction.)

And there’s the rub. Let’s spend a paragraph bashing her mental illness, and then bring it back to how wrong YOU were about Hermione…ie who she loved.

Where did Hermione go wrong? I saw her grow and develop. I saw her face her insecurities and find a sensitivity that is valuable. I saw her face danger and come out the other end a better person. I didn’t see her regress once in her character development.

Oh I forgot. You were reading different books.

Fuck you people. Hang your heads in shame. You have let your bitterness overtake you in a way I can’t even imagine. You’re so angry about something so trivial that you are saying things like this. You really do need professional help.

Or will it just be you trying to get attention?