okay, so i'm posting this cause i feel i need to share this,,
It started with me simply posting a comment on "Ivory Forest"'s blog ranting about society or something with a comment saying "i think you're going insane" ,, now, it wasn't QUITE that simple, but it was essentially that.
So i get this, uhm, heaven-sent message from Jason W. of Ivory Forest, (sorry, Just ivory forest,, cause im pretty sure noone else is ACTUALLY in the band..haah):
"Not insanity at all brother. Pure 100% truth, something the world needs to cling to. There is a message in that blog of negativity. I had countless responses to it where people said I was their new hero, Amen this, Amen that, and felt the same way I do. Trends are not cool by any real person's standards, living life totally demoralized and careless is heading this world down the drain of bullshit and nonsense. Anyone who thinks otherwise is caught up in the ruthless game society plays. Filling our ears with shitty music, our eyes with sex and drugs, and attempting to tell us what is what, who is who, and how we need to be but don't you think we need to be who we are. How many girls do you know dress like prostitutes. They do it for attention. But the attention the get is negative but it makes them feel accepted. But if someone really cared about these people and showed them that they are not objects of society but indivisuals maybe they can find themselves in a positive light someday. I don't see the insanity in my words at all. I see the insanity in being a TOOL to society and having people pull your strings for you. You direct your own path through life, don't journey down other people's paths. Your path will appear someday and look very strange and unfamiliar. And then you will have to travel down it fixing what has not been taken care of in your own life when you were out being a puppet. That is the message. Have a great week.......
"
now, that was just fine of a response (though a bit long) but, i stated my opinion for a reson in the previously mentioned blog,,, to do just that, STATE MY OPINION, ...my comment was denied therefore making the blog contradict itself (it had messages of being true to oneself and being openly honest blah blah blah) so i posted another blog comment bringing up this query, ONLY TO BE RESPONDED TO WITH THIS BLISS..cough,, IGNORANCE:
"Subj. This is how it be Yo!!!!"
"THIS MAY ALL SLIP PAST YOU BUT IF YOU HAVE A BRAINCELL IN YOUR NOGGIN IT WILL SINK DEEPLY IN AND YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING!!!!!!!! This may be alot but someone has to say it since nobody else will be honest with you in life.
If you did'nt like something I said in that blog it may be because you or someone you know falls into the web of bullshit I spoke about and I must have offended you or some shit. I know you are friends with the whole Failed System crew and Adam Vassar so I will cut you some slack. I know you only hate me because of Maggie's bullshit lies she told Adam and everyone and the fact that she made Adam and I enemies because she could'nt be true to herself and her man. I know that people in South Milwaukee travel in demoralized, robotic little groups so I have no beef anymore with anyone. I am not a man that backs down, or keeps his mouth shut when I don't like what is surrounding me in life. I've been taught how to defend myself and voice my opinion and I have'nt lost a fight in this life I live. I know what I have to face if I voice certain things and I face the weaklings who don't like what I say. Call me an asshole, whatever you think I am but it is called being a man. You can either live in a shell and cater to the needs of everyone else or you can be your own indivisual and march to the beat of your own drum. There are robots (tools) and there are humans, the problem is that both are people.
I never had a problem with you so I don't know why you are barking up the wrong tree. If I lost my mind who's buisness is that anyways? If I was crazy would it be in your best interests to test that? After is'nt the world we live in pretty crazy? Only some of us loonys have the balls to take on the world and face it head on instead of running behind closed doors, trash talking people they don't know, and judgeing a book by it's cover. I see people for what they are in this world. When I see some skank whore walk past I am not the average idiot who drools. I see trash and a person who needs to get a fucking personality outside of trying to show skin and fuck her way out of everything. It is called morality, and it is called class and style.
I am a recovered drug addict, watched my father pass away and get brought back several times throughout my life before he past away slowly for 20 days in 2003. I lost 4 of my bestfriends to the needle, and I was a victim to a near suicide when life came crashing down. Through emotional and physical abuse, , worry, regret, loss, depression, saddness,grew up in a neighborhood where death, rape, robbery, and gangs filled the streets, and I still stayed true to those around me and myself. Along that path a few people have been able to slip into my life wearing a mask of good but once that mask came off deciet and betrayel was in the air. You know people like that, they are all around you every moment of the day. It is your job to pick out the good and bad and surround yourself with real people.
The world we live in is ugly, dark, and chaotic. Our government ripping us off sending us into poverty, a war that is pointless and killing thousands, gas prices going nuts, rape,prostitution, sex in everyday media, drugs, trends, terrorists, THIS WORLD IS FUCKED UP. Some people notice this, live on the straight and narrow, and voice their views towards it. One of the greatest bands ever TOOL voiced these issues back in 1996 with their Aneima album. The problem is you have to be a famous person or comedian to get away with saying what is on your mind. We have a freedom to express feelings that are positive or negative.
So don't come barking up my tree trying to hate me when you don't fucking know a thing about me. I can be your bestfriend or worst enemy but making enemies with certain people because your friends who don't even fucking know me is immature and ignorant. Don't fucking judge me, call me insane, or anything because I am not afraid of confrontation. All you know about me is that I am the guitarist of Ivory Forest that had your friend's deceitful girlfriend come crying and running into my arms telling me she is abused emotionally and physically by Adam, and how much she loved me and wanted away from Adam for good. She is the liar, the backstabber, the cheater, and the one that you should pointthe finger of insanity at. To justify the bullshit she caused she spread filth about me and made me look bad. That is the truth about that, whatever negative bullshit you have heard from me is complete shit. The truth comes from the reading the book and then judging it, not looking at the cover and stating what you think you know. Believe what you want, believe whatever them friends of yours say, and believe in the lies and the truths in life but please don't put to much stock in trusting them people around you. South Milwaukee is full of shitheads who will one day become food for the maggots and fuck toys for the Satan himself.
I know you are probably a cool kid. I think we met once and we had no problem with eachother. So out of all the people around town don't make the fearless (insane) people your enemies. I laugh when people run their mouths and it ends in them shaking like a feather in ther wind or, the ones who have the nerve to try something getting taken out like it is nothing. I am a man of reason, a man of honesty,loyalty, and respect. You'll never see real men in South Milwaukee. Just drunks, backstabbers, liars, and shit talking pussies that can't stand up and hold their own when they are taught a lesson. The best thing you can do is grow better at your art of music, be the best man you can be, find the honesty in your life, and surround yourself with good things. I have my girlfriend's upcoming surgery that I am worried to death about,a dieing alcoholic aunt, alot of baggage I am carrying, and bills, payments, and many things to deal with. Get to know a person before you judge them. You are surrounded my insane idiots everyday, don't point your finger at me. You are blind or caught up in the bullshit if you can challenge me in any way,shape, or form. My words were 100% true, so deal with it.
I have no problem with you so be mature and smart and don't try to start shit with a person you dont know. I am only insane when I am harmed or better yet, my loved ones are harmed. We all have insanity, you do also.The world is a crazy fucking place. I hope you learned a lesson here and walk away mature and not ready to try firing back at a person that can fire back a million times worse then you or anyone you know ever can. There are those who take on bits and pieces and cry about it. I take on every negative element of life and the weight of the world and still come out on top. I erased my blog because I got sick of numerous people writing me and praising my words. You can only say thank you so much to so many people before you get the point that your words toucked many people and you know people feel exactly how you do in life. Only had you and one other person talk shit, and I know you are doing it because of rumors, your friends, and what you think you know. Well now you do know......... "
so now im being insulted due to me Knowing people, and my city of residence, and blah blah blah with this Jason "kid" only proving further his insanity,, so i respond with this NONVIOLENT MESSAGE:
"LOL
im pretty sure all I was doing "wrong" was adding my 2 line comment to a public blog
and no, the maggie, adam, FS stuff has nothing to do with me including the possibility of insanity in my very same comment, though i cannot say that that "stuff" is Not in my head when i think of,,,, well, ivory forest...haha
ALSO , to get into specifics, you are very correct in your argument that i should not personally attack that which i do not know fully, (atleast, i do believe that is the message you were trying to get across to me,,) BUT IN MY DEFENSE, i did not one bit DIRECTLY call you insane or insult otherwise, hence why the comment was left as a question, or even a statement with further possibilities as opposed to a direct, all out Statement of pure and utter hatred,
BEYOND THAT,,
with ignorance ,,, you seem to speak very hippocritically,,,
saying that South Milwaukee is completly made up of only bottum of the barrel losers and other kinds of equivilants?
you can't say that that isn't atleast slightly ignorant
AND then with this ...this...constant , nagging,,, Suggestion of me being one of these stereotypical South milwaukee losers, just because of my place of residence, haha,
but you atleast cover your ass by leaving possibilities open of me NOT being that, so, Touche(?)
when you know,,
how much about ME?
that im a kid from SM that knows some people you had problems with and whatever else my profile says, eh?
or do you know more?
have you stalked me?
or have you maybe even just looked further into my profile?
either way, im assuming you might NOT have done research, but thats okay, most people these days don't,,, apparently its "creepy"
what im trying to Enlighten you with is this, (now, try to put it into perspective,)
I, a completly random, and sporatic internet users reads a certain blog, and comments with an opened ended statement,,
YOU, so Eloquently respond with a 3-4 paragraph response further re-stating most of the stuff in the blog, with a subliminal message of god-like power and knowledge comming from your end,,, then low and behold, one of the many messages including that which is "being yourself" and the thought of speaking freely and being open in the blog isnt even upheld because my Opinionated comment wasnt approved, and nor was any others that nay-sayed or even praised your Blog,,,,
HENCE, I, the little "possibly has no brain cells" internet user respond asking why my comment not being on this blog represents the very same blog and writer being hippocritical of ones selve's messages
ONLY to get a now...lets see,, 8 paragraph ESSAY back in return, with mis-preceptions and mis-interpreutations of the original intent and message from the begining
do you see now how you're overreacting to something that does not require overreacting too?
so DONT take it as me saying that you're the only insane person in the world, DONT take it as me saying you're not allowed to be stressed by current and past problems, but rather just take it as a simple "hey, this blog makes it sound like your starting to possibly go insane"
of which i may now be convinced fully of, with the preceeding ,,, .."words of truth"
lol
and sorry,,
you've taught me nothing
hahahhahah"
which i dont think is...harsh or anything along those lines, so whatever, i tried to prove a point back to him,
and instead i then get this:
from Jason:
"Subj. Alright man, This is how it will end!!!!!"
"Vash,this is broken into catagories......
(YOU)........For one, I don't add your ignorant comments because they make not a single bit of fucking sense, they are failed attempts of you trying to belittle me in some intelligent way, your words of ignorance further prove my point to be 100% correct on everything I wrote about you, and you calling me a hypocrite (not hippocrite or whatever you spelt) is complete bullshit. And yes, you did directly call me insane. You asked it in the first bullshit comment you sent and then directly called me it on the second one. Think and remember what you write before saying it, memory loss is one symptom of true insanity. And I know for a fact exactly who you are, you don't need to surf myspace to figure that out. We have seen eachother before, Brad told me about you once, I don't need to stalk you out to know who you are. And your dumbass friends are exactly why you talk shit to me. I REALLY DONT CARE WHAT YOU ALL THINK OF ME, IF YOU ALL APPROVED OF ME IT WOULD BE A INSULT TO MY SYSTEM. I don't like mindless fuckers. The only people (I ONCE) had a problem with was Adam and Maggie. Now you slide into my shit list because you keep coming back for more after I explained myself to you and tried being nice. Why try being nice anyways? The very fact you are friends with the people you are friends with should've given me the golden ticket to just lay into you with complete anger. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt and gave you a chance. Read the last emssage I sent, I was pretty damn nice to you considering you tried coming at me with your mindless bullshit.
(MUSIC).........When you think Ivory Forest you'll have no choice but to think of the only 2 real musicians you'll ever know. People actually like what we do outside of the circle of friends we have, we have people wanting us to play shows all over the world with just 6 fucking samples. Yeah, I said samples. Our actual music is far more complex and epic then the mediocre bullshit that fills your ears from every other band in our area. That is sad but true. You want more then a few good bands to surround yourself with move to LA or fucking Europe. That is how sad our music scene is here in Wisconsin. Four great bands that live within a 80 mile radius of us are Dimension X, Underthreat, Aziola Cry, and Ivory Forest. Everyone else just sounds like the same bullshit. Punk, Hardcore, wannabe Death Metal, and that basically covers the whole spectrum of what young people are trying to do. The music you listen to makes you form into the musician you are today. Listen to complete shit, you will sound like shit. My bassist and I can write a metal album and sound light years better and more unique then anyone else around here. We can write a fucking progressive rock album and do just the same. We are musicians, it is what we do best. There may be your shredders, your bands that have all these noobs trying to play faster then the next band but, Ivory Forest has element, substance, emotion, and style. I give credit to those who deserve whether I hate them as people or not and musically, our Milwaukee area sucks horribly musically. Nobody downs what we do though, but the words (that band sucks) goes for every other band around when I hear people talk about the bands in our area. A fanbase has extend further then your friends that surround you. Of course your friends will support you, people support whoever they know just to be in good with them. Before I came around South Milwaukee nobody was listening to progressive music, writing ambient styles of music, or doing swell notes with the volume knob of the guitar. In fact anyone you see doing that I showed it to them, even Adam Vassar which he'll lie and say I did'nt but yes I did. I had every band accept for Failed System wanting me to join on guitar, I turned everyone down. I take shit more seriously then most people musically. I will still be a musician till the day I die when everyone else treats it like a means of popularity and a passing faze.
(SOUTH MILWAUKEE)........Once you grow up, your so called friends move away and everything moves away from you then you'll know what being a man is. High school does'nt last forever buddy, you are 19 years old. You have 3 more years of fun and then that is when the light starts to dim more and more. Don't try to act intelligent because you failed at with each remark you made towards me. Mispelling words, using words that mean nothing at all or using words the wrong way, it was all apart your failure here. All this shit started with Maggie and Adam, the Brad getting kicked out of the band. Only thing is that Brad is still really cool and he apoligized for trash talking me and we are friends again. Brad has always been a good guy, but the rest of South Milwaukee has proven to be drunk, mindless, demoralized fuckers who run their stupid mouths but have no fucking brains when doing so. My friend Dave lives next to Adam,and Brad is a cool character so there is your good people who live in South Milwaukee. Nobody else has proven me otherwise.
(YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS).........I have been fucked over and talked down upon by everyone else because nobody can think for themselves, you are all puppets. You wear the same clothes, listen to the same shitty music, try to be musicians but do it for popularity and nothing more, you all participate in your drunken orgys, trade girlfriends with eachother, and run your mouths to the wrong people. Nobody would have a problem with me if Maggie did'nt cheat on Adam and lie her way through the whole ordeal. You would'nt be sitting here trying to be Einstein and being a mindless fucker if you were'nt friends with that whole click you are friends with.
(THE DRAMA AND BEING THE BETTER MAN)....... If this was 4 years ago I would've already made a few phonecalls, and brought on real chaos to all your lives but I have grown up. I grew up in nasty areas, ran with pretty bad people,real gang members,real murderers, and still have alot of people who have my back also. Only the people that have my back actually have my back, are real friends, and are not a group of dumbass white teenagers who don't know how to shut their mouths to do themselves some good. I try to not bring the war anymore, God himself knows if anyone you know tried any shit with me and really wanted to fight I would come out the winner without a shadow of the doubt. I don't care how big people are, fat, mucular, the bigger and less knowledgable in defense a person is the harder they fall to the ground. And those who try jumping you or who are twice your size don't go easy up against 240 pounds of muscle and anger, angry german/norweigen, or a baseball bat to the fucking head. Pain isn't an issue or even felt anymore once I trully lose my temper. Things get fucking ugly and bloody if you fuck with me and my loved ones. Now days it takes alot for the storm to come rolling in, I have self control and maturity. But the problem is that you and a few of your friends don't know when to quit with me. I would take on one of you or several of you by myself. If I lost the fight at least 4 of you would be going away really fucked up and broken. I have been jumped several times, there are ways to defend yourself in that situation. And I know how you idiots can't fight alone. You need a bunch of friends to back you up because in reality, you are scared shitless when real shit hits the fan.
(YOU GROWING UP AND THE TRUTH THAT WAS JUST SAID TO YOU)..............Do yourself a favor and fucking grow up. Your friends won't be there to back you up, your life will soon see everyone in it fade away into the past, and you will remember me then. I wish I would beable to be there to say I told you so but, I will be creating great music that takes a true talented and creative mind to write, and we won't be on good terms because you decided to talk shit. I don't fucking nag, bitch, or moan like your dumbass thinks you can get away with saying. Like I said, only 2 idiots commented back negatively. The other 98% agreed 100%.
(THE HUMOR IN YOU TALKING SHIT TO ME).......Just so I don't have to deal with your failed attempts at starting shit, trying to show intelligence, and trying to belittle me in any way I will keep my anger under control, or in your words my insanity, and I will tell you to keep talking shit. Enough of you idiots already have really got on my nerves so just keep talking shit. You now know who I am. If I seem cocky, I deserve to me and it is once again the fucking truth. If I seem like an asshole I don't give a shit, you made me come out as one. Two other guys named Clayton and Josh JUST KEEP TALKING SHIT, IT WILL BE HILARIOUS!!!!! We will all laugh when you write your next message and really waste your time doing so. Have a great day, you have been owned again on every level of life. Don't hate the man I am, hate that you have'nt learned to be the man I am. The man I am is what gets people jealous, pist off, talking shit. It also gets girls running away from their boyfriends to be with me, and it also gets people showing how fucking stupid they really are. I am the nicest guy in the world to the people I like, have no problem with, and the ones I love. You cross me the wrong way it is is not in your best of decisions. Take no shit, and live on the straight and narrow. I use to be like you. Full of myself, full of the thought that I knew what life was really all about. You dont know shit, anything you have experienced is only the basement being dug to build the foundation of your life. GROW UP TODAY!!!!! It will be do you some good....... "
now if you've read all this, you may have some questions,
1. why did he assume that i ever said i was perfect with my spelling or anything that would tap into that subject matter? hmm
2. he states that I shouldn't be ignorant, but he then says that EVERYONE but two people from south milwaukee are "drunk, mindless, demoralized fuckers who run their stupid mouths but have no fucking brains when doing so",, because he's apparently met EVERY SINGLE PERSON from here
3. "i have been jumped several times, there are ways to defend yourself in that situation. and i know how you idiots can't fight alone"...what the fuck is he getting at!?!? when did i threaten fighting him?!?! better yet, WHEN DID I THREATEN FIGHTING HIM ALONE!? OR WITH PEOPLE!?!
4. he's been fucked over and talked down upon by EVERYONE ELSE (he states) because nobody can think for themselves,,, apparently......so now he's assuming that im a "puppet" because i KNOW some other people and he again starts with being "blissful" ,, also saying that im totally in some click OOPS! HE SPELT CLICK WRONG, bringing me to the next point,,,
5., he yelled at me for improper spelling (without me saying otherwise before hand) AND THEN MAKES a good amount of Spelling and Grammar errors in his OWN message of.......sensless ranting, ....contradiction, anyone?
6. why is he throwing in his bands AMAZING music .(NOT)....i never brought "his" band's music into this argument at all!?! what gives?!? he truly is insane
7. why would he delete his blog again? OH, because he says he has TOO MUCH PRAISE from it,,,,,,,,,, yeah, without letting a single comment of praise get posted to it..........makes sence to me!
8. why is he threatening violence on me? as he states: "If this was 4 years ago I would've already made a few phonecalls, and brought on real chaos to all your lives but I have grown up." and why you insist on asking? Because i suggested that he was insane......obviously the PERFECT reason to CALL OTHER PEOPLE TO REIGN CHAOS over my existance ,, so yeah, he said that "if this was 4 years ago" butttt....he's also saying that This situation WOULD HAVE BEEN WORTHY of that particuliar type of pressing action. someones a moron,, clearly.
9. near the end he uses his Ever-influential words to tell me to be jelous, and to "keep talking shit" ,,,if you've read my message above you'll see that there is not much "shit" talked ....(again, hes making up things)
10. he also says to do so because it'll be funny for him, but i think he actually wants me to "talk shit" back so he can gather any kind of slighly structured sentences together to actually write some kind of lyrics for the PROGRESSIVE MOTHER FUCKING ELEVATOR MUSIC that he makes
so being that he brings his music into this, i have to argue back,,
Jason, IN MY OPINION, I believe your music sounds like what i would expect to hear in a 5 star hotel's elevator, and it would still bore me to no end. I did not want to bring opinions of your music into this, but with how much you babble on ENDLESSLY about how awe-inspiring your 9 minute , bland, drawn-out guitar solos are, well, then i have to state my opinion back.
So please Mr. Jason, keep on writing your ...uhm...time-passing high-lift que music and "making girls run away from their boyfriends to be with you" (which im sure your current girlfriend LOVES) so the world can be taken back by a few more BRAIN CELLS,,, I'm truly jelous that i do not have the intellect that you posses, OH HOW SIMPLE LIFE AS YOU MUST BE
i would have made these arguments back in a message to him, but i was removed from "Ovary Frost"'s friend list and couldn't send messages back, therefore decreeing that these words be public!
P.S. to that bassist in Ivory Forrest,,A.J. or whatever, i feel sorry for you and mean no negativity towards you, please surpass Jason in the music industry.
LAST!