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Saturday, August 22, 2009
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Category: Music
The interview takes place in 1987 at the Dallas Public
Library Cable Access Studio, Dallas, Texas. Mr. Cage was in the area
to attend an event in his honor at the University of Texas at Dallas.
John Held, Jr: It's my distinct pleasure and honor to
welcome John Cage.
Mr. Cage, welcome.
John Cage: Thank you.
JH: Mr. Cage grew up in California and went to Los Angeles
High School and then Pomona College.
JC: I'm a college drop out.
JH Jr: You never graduated from Pomona?
JC: I went to Europe instead.
JH: This was about 1930. Yes?
JC: Yes. I would have been in the class of '28.
JH: What does...
JC: It would have been '32. I started in '28. I would
have been graduating in '32.
JH: What made you decide to leave school and head for
Paris?
JC: I think that our education teaches us to write rather
then anything else. And I thought that for a writer, experience would
be more valuable then education. And my mother and father agreed. So
I left after my sophom ore year. Later I was hitchhiking in California
and was picked up by my history professor, and he said he was so glad
to see me. And I said "why?" And he said, "Well, all
the more interesting students have dropped out of college." (laughs)
JH: What happened in Paris? You went over there to study piano, is that
right?
JC: No. I just went there to get some experience to
write some books.
JH: That was kind of a heady time...
JC: ...but I was so impressed. When I saw Gothic architecture,
I began studying. It's hard to believe, but I began to start studying
the details of flamboyant 15th century Gothic Architecture in the Bibliotheque
Mazarin. I'd go early in the morning when it opened and I wouldn't leave
until it closed. Fortunately, a professor from Pomona, whom I'd not
studied with, but whom I knew, it was José Pijoan, do you know
his name? At one time for the League of Nations, when it was in Switzerland,
he was the one who listed all the contemporary works of art. Anyway,
he asked me what I was doing and when I told him, he literally gave
me a kick in the pants, and the next day he introduced me to a modern
architect, who I started to work with. And after a month or so I heard
this architect say to one of his girlfriends, "To be an architect
you have to devote your life to architecture." And so I put down
my pencils. He had put me to work drawing Greek columns, ironically.
I went into his room and I said, "I'm not going to devote my life
to architecture." And so we left in a friendly fashion. And I had
seen modern painting, and I'd heard a concert by John Kirkpatrick of
modern music. And my reaction to both of those was that if that's how
things were, I could do it too. So I began without any further ado to
write music and paint pictures. And it was only somewhat later when
- it was the depression - when I left Europe and came back to California,
I did a number of things, but it led my meeting the Arensbergs and Galka
Scheyer, do you know her name?' She brought the Blue Four from Germany
to California. And I met Richard Buhlig, who was the first to play the
Opus 11 of Schoenberg. I met all these important people because I needed
some way to make a living, and the way I hit upon was to do the gardening
in what would now be called a motel, but was then called an auto court.
And in return for doing the gardening I got a place to live. And then
I needed someway to buy food. And over the the garage at the back of
the auto court was a large empty room without any walls. I mean interior
walls. And I went from house to house in Santa Monica, and I said that
I would give lectures on modern music and modern painting, and that
I didn't know very much about either subject, but that I would learn
enough to give a lecture each Friday. (laughs) I sold ten lectures for
two dollars and a half, and they had a card, you know, that would get
punched. But at that time you could buy a pound of beef for five cents,
did you know that?
JH: Those were the good old days.
JC: You could go to a restaurant and eat all you could
eat for forty-nine cents
.
JH: You weren't in any public works arts projects that were going on
at that time?
JC: No. No, that came later. My connection with the
WPA was entertaining. I went to San Francisco to the music department,
and I'd already worked a good deal in the field of percussion music.
I said I wanted a job on the WPA. And they said. "But you're not
a musician." And I said, "I deal with sound. Where should
I go?" And they said, "Try the recreation department."
(laughs) So I did. And I worked with children after school hours in
Telegraph Hill. The Italians. The Black kids in another part of town.
And the Chinese in Chinatown. And I used to get a splitting headache
from the Italian children. I'd bring them instruments to play, and things
I had made, and they'd smash them. And I'd always left that session
with a headache. But the Chinese people I got along with beautifully.
The blacks were so gifted that they had no need of me. But I always
remember how well I got along with the Chinese people. The only trouble
was that the school was Catholic, and the sisters were not confident
that my influence on the children was good. (laughs) So one day one
of these tiny children came to me and said, "You're not teaching
us anything about counterpoint." (laughs) And they couldn't have
even known the word. So then the next thing I knew they were gone.
JH: Soon after that you met somebody who was really
a turning point in you life, and that was Merce Cunningham...
JC: Yes.
JH: ...up in Seattle. How did that come about:
JC: Well, I decided to make a move away from Los Angeles,
and I went with - I was married then to Xenia Kashevaroff- and she and
I, and my mother and father, went up to Carmel. They stayed up in Carmel
with Xenia's sisters and friends, among whom was John Steinbeck. And
I went up to San Francisco for one day and I shopped around for jobs
accompanying dance classes. I got about eight jobs in one day. I had
a choice so to speak, and I choose the one in Seattle with Bonnie Bird,
who had been in the Martha Graham Company. And the reason I choose it
was that she told me when I talked to her in San Francisco that they
had a closet full of percussion instruments. And that was what I was
working in. It had been left there by some German modern dancers.
JH: And Merce Cunningham was a student...
JC: He was a student of Bonnie Bird. Yes. And he was
absolutely remarkable. In fact when Martha Graham saw him, she took
him immediately in her company. He was a creature of the air. And no
one knew it at the time that he would come down to earth as he has in
recent years. (laughs) He's been forced down to the earth, but he refuses
to stop dancing. I'm sure he'll dance the day he dies.
JH: About this time you were also collaborating with
Kenneth Patchen, a well known poet, on a CBS radio...
JC: That was a little bit later. It follows the meeting
with Merce and wor king with Bonnie Bird. In between was... I spent
a whole year trying to establish a center for experimental music. I
wrote to companies and universities, anyplace that I thought might house
such a thing. And I aroused a good deal of interest, but each place
needed money, and they didn't have the money and I couldn't raise that.
I did get a job in Chicago teaching experimental music at Moholy-Nagy's
School of Design. And while I was there, I organized a group of players,
and I got a commission from CBS for a CBS Workshop play. It was a very
important radio program. It was the one that made everybody leave home
because they thought the end of the world had come. Did you hear about
that.
JH: War of the Worlds?
JC: Yes.
JH: It followed that?
JC: It was at that time that CBS Workshop was so important
for everyone, so I proposed doing a piece for them. My idea was to take
a play, and thinking of the script as having ambient sounds to use those
sounds, not as sound effects, but as the sounds of a music which would
accompany the play. CBS liked that. The man in charge was Davidson Taylor.
The letters that came into Chicago after the performance were so enthusiastic
- they came from the Middle West and from he West- that Xenia and I
decided to seek our fortune in New York, even though we didn't have
any money, so to speak. We arrived, actually, in New York with twenty-five
cents. We took the the bus from Chicago to New York and in the station
we arrived with twenty-five cents, and only the confidence that CBS
would have received a favorable response. And also we were invited to
stay with Peggy Guggenheim and Max Ernst. Do you know the story?
JH: Of what?
JC: Of what happened in the bus station? (laughs)
JH: No. But I want to hear it.
JC: I put a nickel into the phone, and I called the
number that Max had given us when he visited the Arts Club in Chicago.
This time he didn't recognize my voice. And he said, "Are you thirsty?"
And I said, "Yes." He said, "Well, come over Monday for
cocktails." And so that was the end of the conversation. And I
went back to Xenia, and she said, "Call him back!" (laughs)
She said, "We have everything to gain and nothing to lose."
So I called him back, and he said, "Oh, It's you." And this
time he recognized my voice, and said "Come right over. Your room
is ready." And it was then that we met anybody whom anyone would
want to meet in the artworld.
JH: This is when everyone had come from Europe...
JC: They were all here. Mondrian was one of the first.
Mixed in with the artists, including Marcel Duchamp, was Gypsy Rose
Lee, whom Joseph Cornell just idolized. It was marvelous. We stayed
there for two weeks, and then Peggy and Max were going away so they
asked us to leave. Meanwhile, Merce Cunningham, who was earlier in New
York, was preparing a program of dance with Jean Erdman. Jean Erdman
was the wife of Joseph Campbell. He taught at Sarah Lawrence and knew
a great deal about mythology and oriental philosophy, and so on. He
wrote With a Thousand Faces. Anyway, Jean and Joe were going up to Vermont
for the Summer at Bennington, and she and Merce were going to do a dance
at the end of the Summer. So they gave Xenia and me their apartment,
which had a piano. That's how we began in New York.
JH: You mentioned Marcel Duchamp, and as he's a favorite
of mine and alot of other people maybe I should pursue that. What was
your relationship like with him?
JC: I admired him so much I didn't want to impose myself
on him. For instance...I was very ambitious. And I met everyone I could
meet who would facilitate my giving a percussion concert in New York.
Even though Peggy Guggenheim had immediately said she would like a concert
of my music to open the Art of This Century. Being so ambioutions (laughs),
I still wasn't satisfied and went to the Museum of Modern Art, and they
also wanted a concert. So I came back to Peggy, and at dinner one evening,
I told her there was also going to be a concert at the Museum of Modern
Art. And she said, "Well, in that case I will cancel the concert
at Art of This Century", and furthermore she would cancel what
she had promised, which was to pay for the transportation of the instruments
from Chicago to New York. Well, when she said she would cancel all of
that I was very unhappy and I left the table, and literally burst into
tears. And I went to the back of the apartment, and I happened to go
into the room where Marcel was sitting in a rocking chair smoking a
cigar. And something about his presence made me stop crying. I more
or less told him why I was crying. He didn't say a word. Nothing. Shortly
I felt perfectly content. (laughs) I told this story to someone later
to whom the same thing had happened, the same influence he had of bringing
a person back to an equilibrium. Just beautiful. Marvelous man.
JH: In the early fifties you were involved with Black Mountain College.
Black Mountain College was the seminal melting pot for many different
types of art. And it was one of the first times intermedia, performance,
happenings idea started. There were people there like Buckminster Fuller,
Josef Albers, Robert Rauschenberg, Charles Olson, and many, many more.
JC: It's endless. There would be say a hundred students
in the summer, less during the winter. But I think you'd find they're
all active as artists. What I think was so important at Black Mountain
was that we all ate our meals together. For instance, I was teaching
music composition, but no one was studying with me. I had no students.
But I would sit at a table three times a day (laughs) and there would
be conversations. And those meals were the classes. And Ideas would
come out, what McLuhan called the "brushing of information."
Just conversation. That event that we gave one afternoon at Black Mountain
was thought of in the morning, and I quickly plotted the whole thing
giving different people periods of time during which they were free
to act. Charles Olson and M. C. Richards climbing ladders to read poetry.
Merce dancing through the space. And the audience arranged so that it
was in four triangles facing themselves rather then facing something
to look at. (laughs) So the action was around the audience and in it.
Through it. I was up on another ladder behind one of the triangles.
Mrs. Jalowetz, who was the widow of the deceased head of the Music Department
arrived very early. And I told her she was very early. And she said,"
Well, I want the best seat." (laughs) And each seat had a cup on
it. And, I said they're all equally good. And I pointed out to her that
she'd have to look where she wanted to look rather then what seemed
to be the front. (laughs) And people then smoked, so they used the cups
as ashtrays, but the whole event ended by girls coming from the kitchen
with big pitchers of coffee and filling all the cups with coffee. Some
of them were disgusting. (laughs)
JH: We haven't touched upon your theories, but I did
want to bring up your innovation of introducing chance, of indeterminacy,
into the artworld.
JC: Actually it was Duchamp who did that the year I
was born.
JH: He seems to predate everything.
JC: Everything. In about 1958, or '59, in Italy, at
Peggy Guggenheim's house in Venice-we had made up by this time- I smiled
and said to Marcel, who I hadn't seen for a long time, "Isn't it
strange that you were doing the year I was born what I'm doing now."
And he smiled and said, "I must have been fifty years ahead of
my time." (laughs) Actually, his mathematics were not correct it
was more like forty years.
I think a great deal of his work as being musical, which
isn't yet thought of as musical. Have you seen the Etants donnés
at the Philadelphia Museum? Did you know there's a big book this thick
that he wrote telling how to take it down and put it up? I don't know
why it's not been made more public. Anyway, those are directions, which
if they're followed, as though you were following a notation of music,
they would produce sounds taking it down and putting it up. Yes? So
that is also a piece of music.
You are are familiar with him taking pieces of paper
out of a hat? Of the train? The train has freight cars. And instead
of putting coal where it belongs, you put musical notes into each one
of the freight cars. As it passes by -they fall by chance, of course-
and the result is you get different octaves instead of cars, with different
notes in them. So it makes a new body of sounds with which one can compose.
(He) gave a beautiful concert in Japan, in which just before the intermission,
this train was brought out and then during the intermission the musicians
figured out the scales, and when the audience came back, they got to
hear a reading of the music. Isn't that beautiful?
And then his other idea's is even more important. It's a sonora sculpture.
It's one of his notes on a little scrap of paper. And
it's the idea that
sounds which don't change could come naturally.
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Saturday, May 24, 2008
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"I have nothing to say / and I am saying it / and that is poetry / as I needed it" --John Cage "It was at Harvard not quite forty years ago that I went into an anechoic [totally silent] chamber not expecting in that silent room to hear two sounds: one high, my nervous system in operation, one low, my blood in circulation. The reason I did not expect to hear those two sounds was that they were set into vibration without any intention on my part. That experience gave my life direction, the exploration of nonintention. No one else was doing that. I would do it for us. I did not know immediately what I was doing, nor, after all these years, have I found out much. I compose music. Yes, but how? I gave up making choices. In their place I put the asking of questions. The answers come from the mechanism, not the wisdom of the I Ching, the most ancient of all books: tossing three coins six times yielding numbers between 1 and 64." --John Cage, 1990 "I certainly had no feeling for harmony, and Schoenberg thought that that would make it impossible for me to write music. He said, 'You'll come to a wall you won't be able to get through.' So I said, 'I'll beat my head against that wall.' " --John Cage "Like acrostics, mesotics are written in the conventional way horizontally, but at the same time they follow a vertical rule, down the middle not down the edge as in an acrostic, a string spells a word or name, not necessarily connected with what is being written, though it may be. This vertical rule is lettristic and in my practice the letters are capitalized. Between two capitals in a perfect or 100% mesostic neither letter may appear in lower case. .... In the writing of the wing words, the horizontal text, the letters of the vertical string help me out of sentimentality. I have something to do, a puzzle to solve. This way of responding makes me feel in this respect one with the Japanese people, who formerly, I once learned, turned their letter writing into the writing of poems. In taking the next step in my work, the exploration of nonintention, I don't solve the puzzle that the mesostic string presents. Instead I write or find a source text which is then used as an oracle. I ask it what word shall I use for this letter and what one for the next, etc. This frees me from memory, taste, likes, and dislikes, By means of Mesolist, a program by Jim Rosenberg, all words that satisfy the mesostic rule are listed. IC [a program that generates the I Ching numbers, available for downloading on the Net] then chooses which words in the lists are to be used and gives me all the central words, the position of each in the source material identified by page, line, and column. I then add all the wing words from the source text following of course the rule Mesolist does within the limit of forty-five characters to the right and the same to the left. Then I take out the words I don't want. With respect to the source material, I am in a global situation. Words come first from here and then from there. The situation is not linear. It is as though I am in a forest hunting for ideas." --John Cage
Cage's most famous musical composition is entitled 4'33''. It is played at the piano and is divided into three movements. All of the notes are silent. The composition takes its name from the fact that it requires four minutes and thirty-three seconds to perform. The pianist uses a stopwatch to control his tempo. For those interested, there are a couple of CD recordings available. Added later: "The score calls for any number of people playing any number of instruments, not specifically piano, although it was performed many times at the piano. Also I thought it might be beneficial to add something about his second version of the work entitled 0'00", a clear restatement of his original idea."
"If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all." --John Cage. "The first question I ask myself when something doesn't seem to be beautiful is why do I think it's not beautiful. And very shortly you discover that there is no reason." --John Cage.
"Which is more musical: a truck passing by a factory or a truck passing by a music school?" --John Cage
"I don't solve the puzzle that the mesostic string presents. Instead I write or find a source text which is then used as an oracle. I ask it what word shall I use for this letter and what one for the next, etc. This frees me from memory, taste, likes, and dislikes, By means of Mesolist, a program by Jim Rosenberg, all words that satisfy the mesostic rule are listed. IC [the program that generates the I Ching numbers] then chooses which words in the lists are to be used and gives me all the central words, the position of each in the source material identified by page, line, and column. I then add all the wing words from the source text following of course the rule Mesolist does within the limit of forty-five characters to the right and the same to the left. Then I take out the words I don't want." --Cage "Taking the name of the author and/or the title of the book as their subject (the row), write a series of mesostics beginning on the first page and continuing to the last. Mesostics means a row down the middle. In this circumstance a mesostic is written by finding the first word in the book that contains the first letter of the row that is not followed in the same word by the second letter of the row. The second letter belongs on the second line and is to be found in the next word that contains it that is not followed in the same word by the third letter of the row. Etc. If a shorter rather than longer text is desired, keep an index of the syllables used to represent a given letter. Do not permit for a single appearance of a given letter the repetition of a particular syllable. Distinguish between subsequent appearances of the same letter. Other adjacent words from the original text (before and/or after the middle word, the word including a letter of the row) may be used according to taste, limited, say to forty-three characters to the left and forty-three to the right, providing the appearance of the letters, of the row occurs in the way described above." --Cage "I don't know when it began. But at Edwin Denby's loft on 21st Street, not at the time but about the place, I wrote my first mesostic. It was a regular paragraph with the letters of his name capitalized. Since then I have written them as poems, the capitals going down the middle, to celebrate whatever, to support whatever, to fulfill requests, to initiate my thinking or my nonthinking (Themes and Variations is the first of a series of mesostic works: to find a way of writing that, though coming from ideas, is not about them but produces them). I have found a variety of ways of writing mesostic[s.]" --Cage "As far as consistency of thought goes, I prefer inconsistency." --John Cage
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Tuesday, May 20, 2008
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I once asked Arragon, the historian, how history was written. He said, "You have to invent it." When I wish as now to tell of critical incidents, persons, and events that have influenced my life and work, the true answer is all of the incidents were critical, all of the people influenced me, everything that happened and that is still happening influences me. My father was an inventor. He was able to find solutions for problems of various kinds, in the fields of electrical engineering, medicine, submarine travel, seeing through fog, and travel in space without the use of fuel. He told me that if someone says "can't" that shows you what to do. He also told me that my mother was always right even when she was wrong. My mother had a sense of society. She was the founder of the Lincoln Study Club, first in Detroit, then in Los Angeles. She became the Women's Club editor for the Los Angeles Times. She was never happy. When after Dad's death I said, "Why don't you visit the family in Los Angeles? You'll have a good time," she replied, "Now, John, you know perfectly well I've never enjoyed having a good time." When we would go for a Sunday drive, she'd always regret that we hadn't brought so-and-so with us. Sometimes she would leave the house and say she was never coming back. Dad was patient, and always calmed my alarm by saying, "Don't worry, she'll be back in a little while." Neither of my parents went to college. When I did, I dropped out after two years. Thinking I was going to be a writer, I told Mother and Dad I should travel to Europe and have experiences rather than continue in school. I was shocked at college to see one hundred of my classmates in the library all reading copies of the same book. Instead of doing as they did, I went into the stacks and read the first book written by an author whose name began with Z. I received the highest grade in the class. That convinced me that the institution was not being run correctly. I left. In Europe, after being kicked in the seat of my pants by José Pijoan for my study of flamboyant Gothic architecture and introduced by him to a modern architect who set me to work drawing Greek capitals, Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian, I became interested in modern music and modern painting. One day I overheard the architect saying to some girl friends, "In order to be an architect, one must devote one's life to architecture." I then went to him and said I was leaving because I was interested in other things than architecture. At this time I was reading Leaves of Grass of Walt Whitman. Enthusiastic about America I wrote to Mother and Dad saying, "I am coming home." Mother wrote back, "Don't be a fool. Stay in Europe as long as possible. Soak up as much beauty as you can. You'll probably never get there again." I left Paris and began both painting and writing music, first in Mallorca. The music I wrote was composed in some mathematical way I no longer recall. It didn't seem like music to me so that when I left Mallorca I left it behind to lighten the weight of my baggage. In Sevilla on a street corner I noticed the multiplicity of simultaneous visual and audible events all going together in one's experience and producing enjoyment. It was the beginning for me of theater and circus. Later when I returned to California, in the Pacific Palisades, I wrote songs with texts by Gertrude Stein and choruses from The Persians of Aeschylus. I had studied Greek in high school. These compositions were improvised at the piano. The Stein songs are, so to speak, transcriptions from a repetitive language to a repetitive music. I met Richard Buhlig who was the first pianist to play the Opus II of Schoenberg. Though he was not a teacher of composition, he agreed to take charge of my writing of music. From him I went to Henry Cowell and at Cowell's suggestion (based on my twenty-five tone compositions, which, though not serial, were chromatic and required the expression in a single voice of all twenty-five tones before any one of them was repeated) to Adolph Weiss in preparation for studies with Arnold Schoenberg. When I asked Schoenberg to teach me, he said, "You probably can't afford my price." I said, "Don't mention it; I don't have any money." He said, "Will you devote your life to music?" This time I said "Yes." He said he would teach me free of charge. I gave up painting and concentrated on music. After two years it became clear to both of us that I had no feeling for harmony. For Schoenberg, harmony was not just coloristic: it was structural. It was the means one used to distinguish one part of a composition from another. Therefore he said I'd never be able to write music. "Why not?" "You'll come to a wall and won't be able to get through." "Then I'll spend my life knocking my head against that wall." I became an assistant to Oskar Fischinger, the film maker, to prepare myself to write the music for one of his films. He happened to say one day, "Everything in the world has its own spirit which can be released by setting it into vibration." I began hitting, rubbing everything, listening, and then writing percussion music, and playing it with friends. These compositions were made up of short motives expressed either as sound or as silence of the same length, motives that were arranged on the perimeter of a circle on which one could proceed forward or backward. I wrote without specifying the instruments, using our rehearsals to try out found or rented instruments. I didn't rent many because I had little money. I did library research work for my father or for lawyers. I was married to Xenia Andreyevna Kashevaroff who was studying bookbinding with Hazel Dreis. Since we all lived in a big house my percussion music was played in the evening by the bookbinders. I invited Schoenberg to one of our performances. "I am not free." "Can you come a week later?" "No, I am not free at any time." I found dancers, modern dancers, however, who were interested in my music and could put it to use. I was given a job at the Cornish School in Seattle. It was there that I discovered what I called micro-macrocosmic rhythmic structure. The large parts of a composition had the same proportion as the phrases of a single unit. Thus an entire piece had that number of measures that had a square root. This rhythmic structure could be expressed with any sounds, including noises, or it could be expressed not as sound and silence but as stillness and movement in dance. It was my response to Schoenberg's structural harmony. It was also at the Cornish School that I became aware of Zen Buddhism, which later, as part of oriental philosophy, took the place for me of psychoanalysis. I was disturbed both in my private life and in my public life as a composer. I could not accept the academic idea that the purpose of music was communication, because I noticed that when I conscientiously wrote something sad, people and critics were often apt to laugh. I determined to give up composition unless I could find a better reason for doing it than communication. I found this answer from Gira Sarabhai, an Indian singer and tabla player: The purpose of music is to sober and quiet the mind, thus making it susceptible to divine influences. I also found in the writings of Ananda K. Coomaraswammy that the responsibility of the artist is to imitate nature in her manner of operation. I became less disturbed and went back to work. Before I left the Cornish School I made the prepared piano. I needed percussion instruments for music for a dance that had an African character by Syvilla Fort. But the theater in which she was to dance had no wings and there was no pit. There was only a small grand piano built in to the front and left of the audience. At the time I either wrote twelve-tone music for piano or I wrote percussion music. There was no room for the instruments. I couldn't find an African twelve tone row. I finally realized I had to change the piano. I did so by placing objects between the strings. The piano was transformed into a percussion orchestra having the loudness, say, of a harpsichord. It was also at the Cornish School, in a radio station there, that I made compositions using acoustic sounds mixed with amplified small sounds and recordings of sine waves. I began a series, Imaginary Landscapes. I spent two years trying to establish a Center for Experimental Music, in a college or university or with corporate sponsorship. Though I found interest in my work I found no one willing to support it financially. I joined the faculty of Moholy Nagy's School of Design in Chicago. While there I was commissioned to write a sound effects music for a CBS Columbia Workshop Play. I was told by the sound effects engineer that anything I could imagine was possible. What I wrote, however, was impractical and too expensive; the work had to be rewritten for percussion orchestra, copied, and rehearsed in the few remaining days and nights before its broadcast. That was The City Wears a Slouch Hat by Kenneth Patchen. The response was enthusiastic in the West and Middle West. Xenia and I came to New York, but the response in the East had been less than enthusiastic. We had met Max Ernst in Chicago. We were staying with him and Peggy Guggenheim. We were penniless. No job was given to me for my composing of radio sound effects, which I had proposed. I began writing again for modern dancers and doing library research work for my father who was then with Mother in New Jersey. About this time I met my first virtuosi: Robert Fizdale and Arthur Gold. I wrote two large works for two prepared pianos. The criticism by Virgil Thomson was very favorable, both for their performance and for my composition. But there were only fifty people in the audience. I lost a great deal of money that I didn't have. I was obliged to beg for it, by letter and personally. I continued each year, however, to organize and present one or two programs of chamber music and one or two programs of Merce Cunningham's choreography and dancing. And to make tours with him throughout the United States. And later with David Tudor, the pianist, to Europe. Tudor is now a composer and performer of electronic music. For many years he and I were the two musicians for Merce Cunningham. And then for many more we had the help of David Behrman, Gordon Mumma, or Takehisa Kosugi. I have in recent years, in order to carry out other projects (an opera in Frankfurt and the Norton Lectures at Harvard University), left the Cunningham Company. Its musicians now are Tudor, Kosugi, and Michael Pugliese, the percussionist. Just recently I received a request for a text on the relation between Zen Buddhism and my work. Rather than rewriting it now I am inserting it here in this story. I call it From Where'm'Now. It repeats some of what is above and some of what is below. When I was young and still writing an unstructured music, albeit methodical and not improvised, one of my teachers, Adolph Weiss, used to complain that no sooner had I started a piece than I brought it to an end. I introduced silence. I was a ground, so to speak, in which emptiness could grow. At college I had given up high school thoughts about devoting my life to religion. But after dropping out and traveling to Europe I became interested in modern music and painting, listening-looking and making, finally devoting myself to writing music, which, twenty years later, becoming graphic, returned me now and then for visits to painting (prints, drawings, watercolors, the costumes and decors for Europeras 1 & 2). In the late thirties I heard a lecture by Nancy Wilson Ross on Dada and Zen. I mention this in my forward to Silence then adding that I did not want my work blamed on Zen, though I felt that Zen changes in different times and places and what it has become here and now, I am not certain. Whatever it is it gives me delight and most recently by means of Stephen Addiss' book The Art of Zen. I had the good fortune to attend Daisetz Suzuki's classes in the philosophy of Zen Buddhism at Columbia University in the late forties. And I visited him twice in Japan. I have never practiced sitting cross-legged nor do I meditate. My work is what I do and always involves writing materials, chairs, and tables. Before I get to it, I do some exercises for my back and I water the plants, of which I have around two hundred. In the late forties I found out by experiment (I went into the anechoic chamber at Harvard University) that silence is not acoustic. It is a change of mind, a turning around. I devoted my music to it. My work became an exploration of non-intention. To carry it out faithfully I have developed a complicated composing means using I Ching chance operations, making my responsibility that of asking questions instead of making choices. The Buddhist texts to which I often return are the Huang-Po Doctrine of Universal Mind (in Chu Ch'an's first translation, published by the London Buddhist Society in 1947), Neti Neti by L. C. Beckett of which (as I say in the introduction to my Norton Lectures at Harvard) my life could be described as an illustration, and the Ten Oxherding Pictures (in the version that ends with the return to the village bearing gifts of a smiling and somewhat heavy monk, one who had experienced Nothingness). Apart from Buddhism and earlier I had read the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. Ramakrishna it was who said all religions are the same, like a lake to which people who are thirsty come from different directions, calling its water by different names. Furthermore this water has many different tastes. The taste of Zen for me comes from the admixture of humor, intransigence, and detachment. It makes me think of Marcel Duchamp, though for him we would have to add the erotic. As part of the source material for my Norton lectures at Harvard I thought of Buddhist texts. I remembered hearing of an Indian philosopher who was very uncompromising. I asked Dick Higgins, "Who is the Malevich of Buddhist philosophy?" He laughed. Reading Emptiness -- a Study in Religious Meaning by Frederick J. Streng, I found out. He is Nagarjuna. But since I finished writing the lectures before I found out, I included, instead of Nagarjuna, Ludwig Wittgenstein, the corpus, subjected to chance operations. And there is another good book, Wittgenstein and Buddhism, by Chris Gudmunsen, which I shall be reading off and on into the future. My music now makes use of time-brackets, sometimes flexible, sometimes not. There are no scores, no fixed relation of parts. Sometimes the parts are fully written out, sometimes not. The title of my Norton lectures is a reference to a brought-up-to-date version of Compositions in Retrospect: MethodStructureIntentionDisciplineNotationIndeterminacy InterpenetrationImitationDevotionCircumstancesVariableStructure NonunderstandingContingencyInconsistencyPerformance(I-VI). When it is published, for commercial convenience, it will just be called IVI. I found in the largely German community at Black Mountain College a lack of experience of the music of Erik Satie. Therefore, teaching there one summer and having no pupils, I arranged a festival of Satie's music, half-hour after-dinner concerts with introductory remarks. And in the center of the festival I placed a lecture that opposed Satie and Beethoven and found that Satie, not Beethoven, was right. Buckminster Fuller was the Baron Méduse in a performance of Satie's Le Piège de Méduse. That summer Fuller put up his first dome, which immediately collapsed. He was delighted. "I only learn what to do when I have failures." His remark made me think of Dad. That is what Dad would have said. It was at Black Mountain College that I made what is sometimes said to be the first happening. The audience was seated in four isometric triangular sections, the apexes of which touched a small square performance area that they faced and that led through the aisles between them to the large performance area that surrounded them. Disparate activities, dancing by Merce Cunningham, the exhibition of paintings and the playing of a Victrola by Robert Rauschenberg, the reading of his poetry by Charles Olsen or hers by M. C. Richards from the top of a ladder outside the audience, the piano playing of David Tudor, my own reading of a lecture that included silences from the top of another ladder outside the audience, all took place within chance-determined periods of time within the over-all time of my lecture. It was later that summer that I was delighted to find in America's first synagogue in Newport, Rhode Island, that the congregation was seated in the same way, facing itself. From Rhode Island I went on to Cambridge and in the anechoic chamber at Harvard University heard that silence was not the absence of sound but was the unintended operation of my nervous system and the circulation of my blood. It was this experience and the white paintings of Rauschenberg that led me to compose 4'33", which I had described in a lecture at Vassar College some years before when I was in the flush of my studies with Suzuki (A Composer's Confessions, 1948), my silent piece. In the early fifties with David Tudor and Louis and Bebe Barron I made several works on magnetic tape, works by Christian Wolff, Morton Feldman, Earle Brown, and myself. Just as my notion of rhythmic structure followed Schoenberg's structural harmony, and my silent piece followed Robert Rauschenberg's white paintings, so my Music of Changes, composed by means of I Ching chance operations, followed Morton Feldman's graph music, music written with numbers for any pitches, the pitches notated only as high, middle, or low. Not immediately, but a few years later, I was to move from structure to process, from music as an object having parts, to music without beginning, middle, or end, music as weather. In our collaborations Merce Cunningham's choreographies are not supported by my musical accompaniments. Music and dance are independent but coexistant. It was in the fifties that I left the city and went to the country. There I found Guy Nearing, who guided me in my study of mushrooms and other wild edible plants. With three other friends we founded the New York Mycological Society. Nearing helped us also with the lichen about which he had written and printed a book. When the weather was dry and the mushrooms weren't growing we spent our time with the lichen. In the sixties the publication of both my music and my writings began. Whatever I do in the society is made available for use. An experience I had in Hawaii turned my attention to the work of Buckminster Fuller and the work of Marshall McLuhan. Above the tunnel that connects the southern part of Oahu with the northern there are crenelations at the top of the mountain range as on a medieval castle. When I asked about them, I was told they had been used for self-protection while shooting poisoned arrows on the enemy below. Now both sides share the same utilities. Little more than a hundred years ago the island was a battlefield divided by a mountain range. Fuller's world map shows that we live on a single island. Global village (McLuhan), Spaceship Earth (Fuller). Make an equation between human needs and world resources (Fuller). I began my Diary: How Improve the World: You Will Only Make Matters Worse. Mother said, "How dare you!" I don't know when it began. But at Edwin Denby's loft on 21st Street, not at the time but about the place, I wrote my first mesostic. It was a regular paragraph with the letters of his name capitalized. Since then I have written them as poems, the capitals going down the middle, to celebrate whatever, to support whatever, to fulfill requests, to initiate my thinking or my nonthinking (Themes and Variations is the first of a series of mesostic works: to find a way of writing that, though coming from ideas, is not about them but produces them). I have found a variety of ways of writing mesostics: Writings through a source: Rengas (a mix of a plurality of source mesostics), autokus, mesostics limited to the words of the mesostic itself, and "globally," letting the words come from here and there through chance operations in a source text. I was invited by Irwin Hollander to make lithographs. Actually it was an idea Alice Weston had (Duchamp had died. I had been asked to say something about him. Jasper Johns was also asked to do this. He said, "I don't want to say anything about Marcel." I made Not Wanting to Say Anything About Marcel: eight plexigrams and two lithographs. Whether this brought about the invitation or not, I do not know. I was invited by Kathan Brown to the Crown Point Press, then in Oakland, California, to make etchings. I accepted the invitation because years before I had not accepted one from Gira Sarabhai to walk with her in the Himalayas. I had something else to do. When I was free, she was not. The walk never took place. I have always regretted this. It was to have been on elephants. It would have been unforgettable... Every year since then I have worked once or twice at the Crown Point Press. Etchings. Once Kathan Brown said, "You wouldn't just sit down and draw." Now I do: drawings around stones, stones placed on a grid at chance determined points. These drawings have also made musical notation: Renga, Score and Twenty-three Parts, and Ryoanji (but drawing from left to right, halfway around a stone). Ray Kass, an artist who teaches watercolor at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, became interested in my graphic work with chance operations. With his aid and that of students he enlisted I have made fifty-two watercolors. And those have led me to aquatints, brushes, acids, and their combination with fire, smoke, and stones with etchings. These experiences led me in one instance to compose music in the way I had found to make a series of prints called On the Surface. I discovered that a horizontal line that determined graphic changes, to correspond, had to become a vertical line in the notation of music (Thirty Pieces for Five Orchestras). Time instead of space. Invited by Heinz Klaus Metzger and Rainer Riehn with the assistance of Andrew Culver I made Europeras 1 & 2 for the Frankfurt Opera. This carries the independence but coexistence of music and dance with which Cunningham and I were familiar, to all the elements of theater, including the lighting, program booklets, decors, properties, costumes, and stage action. Eleven or twelve years ago I began the Freeman Etudes for violin solo. As with the Etudes Australes for piano solo I wanted to make the music as difficult as possible so that a performance would show that the impossible is not impossible and to write thirty-two of them. The notes written so far for the Etudes 17-32 show, however, that there are too many notes to play. I have for years thought they would have to be synthesized, which I did not want to do. Therefore the work remains unfinished. Early last summer ('88) Irvine Arditti played the first sixteen in fifty-six minutes and then late in November the same pieces in forty-six minutes. I asked why he played so fast. He said, "That's what you say in the preface: play as fast as possible." As a result I now know how to finish the Freeman Etudes, a work that I hope to accomplish this year or next. Where there are too many notes I will write the direction, "Play as many as possible." Thinking of orchestra not just as musicians but as people I have made different translations of people to people in different pieces. In Etcetera to being with the orchestra as soloists, letting them volunteer their services from time to time to any one of three conductors. In Etcetera 2/4 Orchestras to begin with four conductors, letting orchestra members from time to time leave the group and play as soloists. In Atlas Eclipticalis and Concert for Piano and Orchestra the conductor is not a governing agent but a utility, providing the time. In Quartet no more than four musicians play at a time, which four constantly changing. Each musician is a soloist. To bring to orchestral society the devotion to music that characterizes chamber music. To build a society one by one. To bring chamber music to the size of orchestra. Music for -----. So far I have written eighteen parts, any of which can be played together or omitted. Flexible time-brackets. Variable structure. A music so to speak that's earthquake proof. Another series without an underlying idea is the group that began with Two, continued with One, Five, Seven, Twenty-three, 1O1, Four, Two2, One2, Three, Fourteen, and Seven2. For each of these works I look for something I haven't yet found. My favorite music is the music I haven't yet heard. I don't hear the music I write. I write in order to hear the music I haven't yet heard. We are living in a period in which many people have changed their mind about what the use of music is or could be for them. Something that doesn't speak or talk like a human being, that doesn't know its definition in the dictionary or its theory in the schools, that expresses itself simply by the fact of its vibrations. People paying attention to vibratory activity, not in reaction to a fixed ideal performance, but each time attentively to how it happens to be this time, not necessarily two times the same. A music that transports the listener to the moment where he is. Just the other day I received a request from Enzo Peruccio, a music editor in Torino. This is how I replied: I have been asked to write a preface for this book, which is written in a language that I do not use for reading. This preface is therefore not to the book but to the subject of the book, percussion. Percussion is completely open. It is not even open-ended. It has no end. It is not like the strings, the winds, the brass (I am thinking of the other sections of the orchestra), though when they fly the coop of harmony it can teach them a thing or two. If you are not hearing music, percussion is exemplified by the very next sound you actually hear wherever you are, in or out of doors or city. Planet? Take any part of this book and go to the end of it. You will find yourself thinking of the next step to be taken in that direction. Perhaps you will need new materials, new technologies. You have them. You are in the world of X, chaos, the new science. The strings, the winds, the brass know more about music than they do about sound. To study noise they must go to the school of percussion. There they will discover silence, a way to change one's mind; and aspects of time that have not yet been put into practice. European musical history began the study (the iso-rhythmic motet) but it was put aside by the theory of harmony. Harmony through a percussion composer, Edgard Varèse, is being brought to a new open-ended life by Tenney, James Tenney. I called him last December after hearing his new work in Miami and said "If this is harmony, I take back everything I've ever said; I'm all for it." The spirit of percussion opens everything, even what was, so to speak, completely closed. I could go on (two percussion instruments of the same kind are no more alike than two people who happen to have the same name) but I do not want to waste the reader's time. Open this book and all the doors wherever you find them. There is no end to life. And this book proves that music is part of it.
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