At the same time, lets not forget that our very public web site is attracting a lot of devotee's attention, thus many ex-GBC guru folks write to tell us they agree with our site, and now they are going to worship Srila Prabhupada. I suppose we should just toss these people under the bus and give them no avenue to reach the point where they can worship the pure devotee? How are we going to reach these people on a world wide basis? Our idea is perhaps not good, maybe so, but we are regularly convincing people, so our idea works, whereas your idea, first of all, what is your idea?

 

We are saving these people from worship of false gurus, by first of all convincing them they are in a false guru process. We need to show them that they are in the false system, and thus our process is working, we are converting people to our Prabhupadanuga idea ALL THE TIME. Our process is a little messy, agreed, but it works. And once we get people on board, they almost never go back. Then again, its surprising that you think our operating as sewage cleaners is -- not -- going to be messy?

 

This "bad publicity" process has ALREADY been going on all along for 30 years. We did not start this! It started when ALL the main newspapers all over the USA in 1980 wrote that New York State had sued the Hare Krishna religion for "systematic fraud" -- when the devotees were selling trinkets, and also by 1980 there was the PDI drug bust case, the Federal Marhsall's bust of Mt. Kailash, and inside ISKCON there was also the well known Jayatirtha scandal, Ramesvara's resignation from guru, and so on, no group of devotees EXCEPT US has ever made ANY organized, sustained, public counter protest. Ever! NONE! If we do not want bad public image, we need open public protest, where is that public protest? Except for us, that is? If I were to say today for example: the Christian Church supports gay messiahs, they would vociferously protest that IMMEDIATELY and PUBLICLY, they would not sit around and do nothing for 30 years?

 

Yes, the weaker devotees and karmis exploit this bad publicity to make their own sense gratification, but lets not forget that we did not start this process, it has already been rolling along and no devotee out cropping of any substance has ever done anything solid to counteract this. So for folks to say it is us who are causing all this bad news is false, we caused none of this, we merely reported and analysed all this. The real reason all this bad publicity has occured is that there has not been any counterpoint to the bogus GBC gurus. In sum: the mass of devotees "went along to get along," although many are now protesting because they see that OUR arguments are correct. Most of the current protestors are giving OUR arguments -- because they have read OUR web sites.

 

I hope you are not suggesting my visiting say for example, Mayapura, going in and saying, "This is the head quarters of the molester messiahs project," because prabhu, I'd likely not live for another day after doing that? What is your actual proposal? I have said openly for 30 years, clean up this sewage spill over here, and many folks thought I was "crazy whack" for even addressing these issues, in sum they wanted to support the STATUS QUO of molester messiah pooja. At the same time, are we supposed to walk into their camp and get banned, beat or worse? No, that is insane, we have to use the internet and OUTSIDE process. And yes, its too bad because it exposes a lot of the sewage problem to the karmis and weaker devotees, but at the same time we are gaining followers of Srila Prabhupada, so we'd rather risk doing something sloppy and getting some followers of the pure devotee, than doing nothing and letting the molester messiahs program take over completely.

 

As for Urdhvaga prabhu, he is a great ally. Maybe he drinks coffee, maybe not. Why do I care? In the Vedic times, the fighters openly drank alcohol, they were also allowed many women, they could even eat meat, and they could -- in sum -- party all night long, because during the day they were risking their life on the battle field. Who cares what the fighter does in his personal life? What difference does it make to anyone if I am myself a prostitute from Market Street? It has no bearing whatsoever on the issue at hand, the issue is, we are risking our lives fighting the molester messiahs. I really do not care what Urdhvaga does in his personal affairs, he is doing the ACTUAL fighting job, he is risking his ACTUAL neck every single day, he is out there fighting better ACTUALLY than ten thousand people like yourself could ever even dream of doing.

 

Why is the European Union reading our site anyway? That means no one has ever been out there publicly proving us wrong. That means they read our site and they know it is TRUE. If it is true, then the real issue is, why are all these big giant devotees allowing and acquiescing such a terrible hijacking of their religion? Why don't they care? I am suppsedly not caring, but where is the concern of the mass of devotees, why are they not publicly protesting in front of the temples and cleaning this sewage spill out? They are leaving the sewage spill problem to a few of us, and maybe the European union, but their hands will not get dirty?

 

That means they do not care, that's all. One devotee went on and on one day, how I should not bother, let Krishna take care, but when someone spilled soda on his carpet, he screamed his head off. So Krishna's movement can go into the sewer, but lets not ruin his carpet. Do you think Krishna is not aware of who is fighting for Him and who is not? Urdhvaga is fighting the molester messiahs, that is all that counts. He is doing the job no one else could do because they are too worried about getting soda on their carpet. They are soda conscious and not Krishna conscious.

 

If you have a better plan, good, we are making hundreds and actually thousands of Prabhupadanugas, show us how to do a better job. I'd like that, make a better program and show us how its done. We have done both, sewer cleaning and making disciples of Prabhupada, we have not had too much competition here, we'd like some. thanks pd

Dear prabhus, First of all I'd like to say that Harekrsna.org site does not distort anything, the bogus guru process really DOES contain many perverts and criminals, its that simple. If the rank and file devotees in Europe do not like being linked to this bogus guru cult, then remove those foolish gurus from office and clean it up. Yes, correct, instead of cleaning it up, many are running off to Narayana Maharaja, the biggest cheer leader of the deviant messiahs project.

That means, they do not want to clean it up. They would rather support the cheer leaders of the molester messiahs program, then they complain that there is bad publicity? They want to glorify the speech writers for Hitler, then complain we are exposing Hitler? This makes no sense at all. That means they are compromised with the evil doers, so its good we are exposing them ALL, the evil doers and their speech writing "rasika gurus." 

If we want to add rotten bean juice to the sweet rice, then complain the sweet rice is not tasty? I don't get it? If we do not like the image of ISKCON, clean up that image, don't complain that we are exposing the evils, we did not create these evils? And if they are going off to the biggest cheer leaders of the molester messiahs project, that means they deserve to be exposed. Do not blame the messenger? There are so many stories of evil people in the Vedas, that does not mean the Vedas are bogus, it means the people exposed therein are bogus. 

The fact is: no one has challenged the statements of PADA legally since we started writing in 1979, and they would never even dream of holding a public debate with me, because I know their history. Same thing applies to the poison issue: I have come out in public saying its valid, and thousands and thousands of devotees, hindus, brijabasis, professional forensic experts, Gainseville FBI, and even Narayana Maharaja now agrees I'm right. Some brijabasis indeed have hugged me and cried after hearing the tape, they believed it. Nobody ever publicly challenges us to debate our analysis of: the bogus appointment, molesting issue, book changes issue, poison issue, Gaudiya Matha cheer leaders issue, ad infinitum, in sum any issue we forward, they never challenge legally, because -- they cannot.

 If someone wants to start a softer pedal approach like Prabhupadanguas.eu. that is also good. We need to have good cop and bad cop approach. Our bad cop approach is certainly winning, since we are getting more and more people to write complaints about the bogus gurus on Rocana's site and other blogs etc., and those folks are repeating EXACTLY the SAME arguments we gave 20 years ago. The point is, unless you play hard ball with the hard ball folks, you will get run over and flattened. Thats the lesson of Srimad Bhagwat Gita, either stand up for yourself, or you will be ruined anyway, except now you will have the reputation of being a compromised fool as well for not fighting. That is what Krishna says, either fight for justice or you will be seen as a fool by your opponents and YOU WILL LOSE ANYWAY. Thanks ys pd