Incense and hardcoreThe USA had several scenes that marked punk/hardcore throughout the world. Formed in 1992 in one of them -- Boston -- 108 started its first South American tour in Quito (Ecuador) on April 18th. After that, they left to Bogota (Colombia), Santiago (Chile) and Buenos Aires (Argentina) and on the 24th they landed in Brazil. We talked to lead singer Robert Fish/Rasaraja to get to know the band better -- that has connections with Inside Out, Quicksand, Seaweed, Burn and Shelter -- and know more about their involvement with Krishna. 108 plays in Rio de Janeiro (24.04), Espírito Santo (25), Minas Gerais (26) and São Paulo (27) during the third edition of the Animal Liberation fest. In the meantime, burn some incense and take a look at the frontman's words. Does everyone in the band follow the Krishna philosophy?
Well realistically there is no such thing as a "Krishna philosophy". There is theology of Gaudiya Vaisnavism and then there are groups whose inspiration comes from that theology but they all see things differently, sometimes subtly and other times not so subtly, so the idea that it is a uniform type of philosophy or practice is not the reality. The only commonality is Krishna but everything else differs from person to person and group to group. As far as 108 goes Vic, Trivikrama and I all find great inspiration from the Gaudiiya Vaisnava origins but how that plays into our day to day lives, inspirations and aspirations differs. There is no uniform "Krishna message" with 108. We speak of what inspires us and leave the listener to decide what that means to them.
Do the devotees expect any kind of stance from you regarding the Krishna dissemination through your music, specially in shows?
I am sure they do but it is and always has been irrelevant to us. We are not a church choir, not a representative of some church, organization or cult. We are individuals who have some common inspirations drawn from Gaudiya Vaisnavism and we talk about that at times in our music. What people expect from us and what they get is irrelevant to us. We are who we are and do what we do and people can take it for what it is.
The history of 108 is entwined with many other bands that made history like Inside Out, Quicksand, Seaweed, Ressurection, Burn and Shelter. Why is it that the bands you guys play in become legendary?
I guess people just like the bands. All of them were unique both musically, lyrically and ascetically and I think people appreciate bands who do their own thing and don't conform or try to be like another.
Speaking of Shelter, they have played in Brazil a couple of time, and every time they come, the term "krishnacore" comes up. Would you say 108 is a krishnacore band?
No, and to be perfectly honest I have no idea what that means really. Shelter and 108, although friends, never shared much of a common platform in terms of message or even how we lived. For an outsider they may look at the two bands and say that we have the Krishna "thing" in common but as I said earlier even though the inspiration for both bands may come from the same theology we all see things differently, sometimes subtly and most other times not so subtly, so there is no uniform platform between the various bands.
In a world so full of social inequality as the one we live in, what's missing so that organizations such as Food For Life can be able to widen their efforts? Are you in any way connected to the organization?
Well I can't speak for Food for Life as it is a name that many ISKCON, an offshoot sect of Gaudiya Vaisnavism, use but it is not a centrally run organization. Every person who does something under the banner of "Food for Life" does it how they want to. So I cannot speak for Food for Life. In terms of social welfare I think every person needs to develop a sense of compassion for the world around them. Much of society only care for what they or their loved ones experience so social awareness and compassion is low. Then you have others who become so wrapped in a cause that anyone who thinks or acts outside of it is demonized. It is a sad dynamic. Individually if we all focused on living with a sense of "harm reduction" or just doing what we can to be better to others, the environment and the world around us it would be a great start.
And since we're on the subject, are the shows in Brazil going to have free meals? What would be the difference between distributing food for a punk/hardcore audience which, supposedly have reasonable conditions, and homeless people?
Well I don't know that here would be free food. Again 108, unlike Shelter, aren't attached or affiliated with anyone such as ISKCON. If someone does do it then it is on their own accord. As far as the difference between doing it at a show verse for homeless people it is obvious. For one set it is a nice thing, maybe it encourages people to get involved in such a program whereas feeding the homeless is not just nice but an act of social awareness and compassion that can literally save someone's life so it is rather important.
Krishna is also known by 108 different names, which, I believe, is the reason for the band's name. Which synonyms do you think punk and hardcore could have?
Actually our inspiration for 108 came from the focus on Radha and the Gopi's who are Krishna's companions.
What can we expect from 108 shows around here?
You can expect us to play hard and leave every once of ourselves on the stage every night. We will play a mix of old and new songs and put every ounce of our being into every show.
How is the hardcore scene in USA, and American music in general?
Depends on the city. Music is music in that there are bands that are adventurous, who set out to create something different and challenging, and then there are those who do what has already been done. So there are some great bands and many that are just happy to exist and be like everyone else.
How do you see the internet in relation to the music business, does it help, or get in the way? I ask that because here in Brazil this business is going through a serious crisis. Majors complain about piracy and free downloads, but recently the independent scene has also hit a considerable low in CD sales.
Well the music business is no different anywhere in terms of how the internet has affected it all. For a band it has it's upsides (very easy to promote and be heard) and it's downside (everyone can be heard which gives way to quantity over quality). For a label it is much the same. You have access to more people but they also have easier access to pirating your releases.
And the last one, on the Brazilian flag there is the sentence "Ordem e Progresso" (which means "Order and Progress"), and it obviously isn't followed around here. If you could put a sentence on the American flag what would it say?
Manipulation, Corruption and Murder.
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