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Status: Single
City: Los Angeles
State: California
Country: US
Signup Date: 2/12/2007
July 20, 2007 - Friday 

Current mood:  annoyed
Hey musicians, here's something you might chime in on. If you don't know what I'm talking about, ignore this post.

So I'm getting a modest amount of national airplay. (Especially the mixdown of "Chocolate Rain" that I've had up).

If I registered "Chocolate Rain" with BMI or ASCAP, I'd collect royalties on these performances. [E.G. when Opie and Anthony decide to play it for CBS and when Carson Daly decides to play it on NBC].

But I hate hate hate what BMI/ASCAP do to mom-and-pop cafes, nonprofit radio, and small businesses. They charge licensing fees to people who can't afford them and/or don't make significant money.

I'm pretty sure CBS and NBC can afford to pay royalties when they broadcast my stuff to millions of people. But I dislike having to go through BMI/ASCAP because they totally screw the little guys.

If I could afford $250/hour for an entertainment lawyer, it might be possible to pursue performance rights against large corporations like CBS without BMI/ASCAP. But since I can't, I'm left in a bind.

I want nonprofit radio and small mom/pop cafes to be able to play my music for free. But I also want giant corporations who can afford to give me a dime or two to pay fair royalties. I want a fair piece of commercial uses of my music. There is no solution that allows both.

What should I do?

We'll see if anybody actually reads this blog.
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I read this blog.
 
Posted by on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 12:07 AM
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misexi

 
chocolate rain... doesn't that song make fun of white people? I didn't think so hahah! Good song. I'm hooked on it. You're up there with William Hung and Brian Peppers!
 
Posted by misexi on July 29, 2007 - Sunday - 5:30 PM
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MGmusic (Solo Artist - R.I.P. Vitek)

 
Don't do it.
 
Posted by MGmusic (Solo Artist - R.I.P. Vitek) on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 12:31 AM
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Dallas
Dale Scott

 
go for it.... mom and pop is an antiquated idea that is dying.
 
Posted by Dallas on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 1:21 AM
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Мэтт Изчужимименем

 
Register it. If you don't, they might just stream it straight from youtube, where everything is basically free. Also, Cafe's sometimes use a radio station, so if they were playing a corporate radio station that has your music, technically they are playing your music for free. I don't know what you could do about the Nonprofit radio though.
 
Posted by Мэтт Изчужимименем on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 1:24 AM
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adam

 
do it. make money for yourself. you're a hero. no one will be upset.
 
Posted by adam on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 2:01 AM
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Lone Star Todd

 
Don't give in...Indy radio is dying...and if you give in to the corporations that are looking to kill indy and internet radio, just to make a buck, it would be bad. And besides, if you go that route, you are threatening any future people like you from actually getting airplay or attention.
 
Posted by Lone Star Todd on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 2:20 AM
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JT
Jason Thomas

 
You should look at this way:

Are they exploiting you?

or

Promoting you?

If they are exploiting you, then they should pay you.

If they are promoting you, then you should be grateful.

I hate to see art lost in business. Its your call.
 
Posted by JT on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 2:48 AM
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"Hydro. aka. Nino"
Jairo San

 
youre like....a young...deep voiced.....micheal jackson.....yeah...thats it.
 
Posted by "Hydro. aka. Nino" on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 3:17 AM
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deleted

 
do ..t

make money off of th..s

you're awesome
 
Posted by deleted on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 3:36 AM
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deleted

 
that was we..rd

uhh



well .. really th..nk you should make some money off of th..s, you deserve ..t




ona counta you be..ng awesome
 
Posted by deleted on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 3:37 AM
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I.N.V.U (Isnt doing Myspace any more.)
Sara McClain

 
Follow your heart and do what you feel ..s best at th..s po..nt ..n t..me.
 
Posted by I.N.V.U (Isnt doing Myspace any more.) on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 3:58 AM
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[fatima]

 
Wow.

What a pred..cament.

Can you reg..ster w..th BM../ASCAP, but also publ..cly announce that you are w..ll..ng to grant small cafes/nonprof..t rad..o stat..ons perm..ss..on to play your stuff for free ..f they contact you f..rst? Word spreads fast on the ..nternet so ..'m sure they'll hear of th..s arrangement, and all they'll have to do ..s just contact you through myspace/e-ma..l and get a qu..ck l..ttle statement of consent from you.

..'m not sure ..f that's a feas..ble ..dea... .. don't know anyth..ng about l..cens..ng laws and whatnot... but good luck f..gur..ng out a solut..on! And please don't let any potent..al oncom..ng fame degrade your soc..al consc..ence! We're root..ng for you!
 
Posted by [fatima] on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 5:01 AM
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[fatima]

 
Wow.

What a pred..cament.

Can you reg..ster w..th BM../ASCAP, but also publ..cly announce that you are w..ll..ng to grant small cafes/nonprof..t rad..o stat..ons perm..ss..on to play your stuff for free ..f they contact you f..rst? Word spreads fast on the ..nternet so ..'m sure they'll hear of th..s arrangement, and all they'll have to do ..s just contact you through myspace/e-ma..l and get a qu..ck l..ttle statement of consent from you.

..'m not sure ..f that's a feas..ble ..dea... .. don't know anyth..ng about l..cens..ng laws and whatnot... but good luck f..gur..ng out a solut..on! And please don't let any potent..al oncom..ng fame degrade your soc..al consc..ence! We're root..ng for you!
 
Posted by [fatima] on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 5:02 AM
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Tay Zonday

 
Wow, are all these per..ods a bug? Myspace needs to f..x ..ts blogs.
 
Posted by Tay Zonday on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 5:18 AM
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Brian Sansbury

 
Read ..t? .. SUBSCR..BE to ..t.
 
Posted by Brian Sansbury on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 6:23 AM
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Dual at Dawn

 
you are more popular than jesus and you are featured on the colbert report- .. say go for the gold- before they steal your gold. .. love you.
 
Posted by Dual at Dawn on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 7:39 AM
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Ambivalence

 
Charge it.
 
Posted by Ambivalence on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 1:33 PM
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Ouroboros

 
Point it.
 
Posted by Ouroboros on July 27, 2007 - Friday - 11:07 AM
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the yetti

 
music is part insperation part business ... to get your message out there tay u have to go the right way and take care of yourself .... america needs you
 
Posted by the yetti on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 2:18 PM
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kAwAii

 
needs MOAR chocklet rayne
 
Posted by kAwAii on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 3:48 PM
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Rhonda

 
I would advise regestering it. And making what royalties you can while it is still hot.
 
Posted by Rhonda on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 4:16 PM
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Michael
That Ugly Kid

 
**I move away from the keyboard to read.
 
Posted by Michael on July 21, 2007 - Saturday - 11:42 PM
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J☮SE
Jose Panduro

 
i read n chocolate rain=pwnage
 
Posted by J☮SE on July 22, 2007 - Sunday - 5:01 AM
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Lemon
Lynx Sorrenti

 
Do it man.
 
Posted by Lemon on July 22, 2007 - Sunday - 7:20 AM
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js

 
you should go creative commons
www.creativecommons.org

look into an attribution and no-commercial license.
attribution means they have to give you credit, like when O&A we're playing you on the show...
and they can't do anything commercial with it WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION.

I'm no attorney, but its worth looking into.

keep up the awesome surreal work.
 
Posted by js on July 22, 2007 - Sunday - 3:40 PM
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Tay Zonday

 
I did use a Creative Commons license. Large corporations violated the Creative Commons License. I don't have the hundreds of thousands of dollars that it would cost to sue. (Nor am I sure I would want to if I did). So it's back to the question of BMI/ASCAP.
 
Posted by Tay Zonday on July 22, 2007 - Sunday - 4:17 PM
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404

 
Sounds like you're in a tough spot on this one... I usually don't want to be the person to try and tell someone what to do or not to do... but whichever one you may choose, know this; YOU DESERVE THAT MONEY.
 
Posted by 404 on July 22, 2007 - Sunday - 4:39 PM
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Melevator

 
I never would have heard you if not for Opie and Anthony, make some royalties dude.
 
Posted by Melevator on July 22, 2007 - Sunday - 7:37 PM
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C.S

 
It's a tough spot to be in, for sure, but might there be some sort of middleground, Tay?
 
Posted by C.S on July 22, 2007 - Sunday - 9:36 PM
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Captain Gorgeous

 
Buddy, do it. Go for it. The non-profit radio stations DON'T have to play your music. I know you'd like them to, but it'll benefit you more if you get what you can from the big guys. I'm glad that you cared enough to think this through, but I'd say go for it. I do say go for it actually. And by go for it I mean register with BMI/ASCAP. Go for it.
 
Posted by Captain Gorgeous on July 23, 2007 - Monday - 3:45 AM
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1MeanBean

 
You can always register your works at SESAC you know.
 
Posted by 1MeanBean on July 23, 2007 - Monday - 4:29 AM
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Tay Zonday

 
They are more selective. I don't think BMI/ASCAP reject as much.
 
Posted by Tay Zonday on July 23, 2007 - Monday - 7:17 AM
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Brother Benjamin

 
Go for the money. Now, before it's too late. You can find a lawyer who will not charge you up front because they'll know they'll get compensated. Jump on it now.
 
Posted by Brother Benjamin on July 23, 2007 - Monday - 1:34 PM
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floydsanchez.com @fdotsanchez
Floyd Jamal Sanchez

 
fuck indy radio.
 
Posted by floydsanchez.com @fdotsanchez on July 23, 2007 - Monday - 4:32 PM
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Positila
Attila Baksa

 
Do what you feel is best, its your music. I myself am a musician aswell different styles. I agree with you Big named coorperations should trough up a few dollars for using your song for commericial use. But you have to choose whats more important having people out there lisining and enjoy your music, or playing just to make a profit. I hope i helped and if not, I hope you don't have to much troble with your desicion.

P.S. could you put lifetime limbo up its one of my favourites.
 
Posted by Positila on July 24, 2007 - Tuesday - 4:53 AM
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Jake

 
Might as well make some money off your music. Other people will regardless of whether or not you do.. and your stuff is the material of instant classics. Keep it up, please!
 
Posted by Jake on July 24, 2007 - Tuesday - 5:57 AM
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RJ Amort

 
Don't do it yet, wait until you have some new material ready to post online or whatever and register that stuff, leave what you have already tossed out there as what got you attention, the new stuff is the money maker.

by the way, i fucking love your cannon in z, it rocks
 
Posted by RJ Amort on July 24, 2007 - Tuesday - 7:53 AM
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MAACP RADIO
Michael Anthony Chris Paulus

 
Tay,

Everyone deserves to earn from their work. But I'm with you in that BMI and ASCAP screw other hard working people who want to promote the work of unsigned musicians...

I think that something like a paypal donation could work or you might put your CD out there for sale.

We'd love to play your music on the show and have you work with us. What we do is offer free advertising in exchange for airplay. This tends to even things out somewhat.

Hope to hear from you!
 
Posted by MAACP RADIO on July 24, 2007 - Tuesday - 5:08 PM
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Worldwide Mayor|@mayorofbuckhead twitter

 
Brother, you've got to get your cheese! You good songs and as your popularity grows the more spins you are going to receive! Unless you do this for the love and only the love of entertaining then don't register! Hard work pays of my man! Chocolate Rain!

Daryle
 
Posted by Worldwide Mayor|@mayorofbuckhead twitter on July 26, 2007 - Thursday - 1:58 PM
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Sean

 
Do what you need to do to get ahead. If those loser indy radio stations and internet radio stations cant afford to pay the licensing fees then they are not trying hard enough. You need to live the American dream. You need to crush all who stand in your way. Life ain't fair and if the mom-and-pops of this world can't afford the licensing fees, then they just are not trying hard enough. Be a corporate stooge. Be a winner.
 
Posted by Sean on July 26, 2007 - Thursday - 9:02 PM
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The Chili Guy

 
**I move away from the mic to read this blog
 
Posted by The Chili Guy on July 26, 2007 - Thursday - 9:48 PM
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India of Diamond in the Ruff Productions
INDIA GUY

 
register it! Whether some places cant afford licensing fees or not is not your issue. They are going to have that problem regardless, whether playing your music or another artist's music. Your issue is that you get paid when your music is performed, period. Otherwise BMI/ASCAP will be collecting money for your song that you will never see!! Trust me, take it from someone who knows!!!

PS. your voice is crazy!
 
Posted by India of Diamond in the Ruff Productions on July 26, 2007 - Thursday - 11:38 PM
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(gone)

 
I dunno, theres a group called "Lightfoot" that already has a song called "Chocolate Rain"......maybe youve been had, Tay. But yr version is alot better and more interesting.
FUCK EM!!
 
Posted by (gone) on July 27, 2007 - Friday - 7:27 AM
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La Petit Morte
Mr. Snow

 
tay............................just let it rain
 
Posted by La Petit Morte on July 27, 2007 - Friday - 11:58 AM
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get your money you know your true fans well know whats up and still have love for you
 
Posted by this page is dead go too new one on July 28, 2007 - Saturday - 3:51 AM
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Lojaque & the Flaming Nahdbits!

 
Go with ASCAP, it's free. And just as good as BMI
 
Posted by Lojaque & the Flaming Nahdbits! on July 28, 2007 - Saturday - 4:57 AM
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get your royalties because that will give you money which will help you make more music and you can feel bad for the mom and pop shops but did they feel bad for you?
 
Posted by . on July 28, 2007 - Saturday - 7:01 PM
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JeffTilDeath

 
If you care about protecting your music from theives who WILL make money off of it, register them.


You're a creative dude, you owe it to yourself.
 
Posted by JeffTilDeath on July 28, 2007 - Saturday - 7:54 PM
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HATE!

 
IM NOT SIGNED....anyway , i would prefer to stay *underground* hahaha
how could you....maybe by suicide,
but essentially i mean
look for a lable or cooperation that suits both of your problems....
abd as soon as you make money hire a production teacher ; D or a producer....
youre blessed by fate boy , so fate will find a way... (POORPOORENGLISH..SRRY)
 
Posted by HATE! on July 29, 2007 - Sunday - 1:17 AM
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