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	alan	Should I assume no apology?  You sound very guarded in your choice of words.   Posted by alan on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 11:27 PM [Reply to this]

	Nikki	No apology? Where is the apology from Joe as well?   Posted by Nikki on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 2:57 AM [Reply to this]

	DEMOCRATS 2008	No one needs to apologize.  ITS ALL GOOD. Remember Colin Powell saying that no ones ego should be so close to their position that when their position (or a myspace) ever falls over that that their ego goes with it. I think it would be really cool to put BOLD LINKS to Barack Obama's page -- because that's what people signed up for -- as well as support for any issues you'd like. All sides seem to believe in something strongly, and it can all work out fine -- PLUS its something to talk about, and that makes things interesting!  =) [Citizen Field]   Posted by DEMOCRATS 2008 on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 2:58 AM [Reply to this]

	Natalia	What would Joe apologize for? Having a day job? Not being a doormat? The campaign should have made their official site barackobamaforpresident and parted ways with his profile if they weren't happy with the amount of work he provided for free and they weren't willing to pay him for his time or provide voluteers to work under his direction. There were ways to resolve their dissatisfaction, but the way they chose was to steal the profile. If people only came for the official status, then surely their new profile would quickly regain the popularity that the old profile had. Joe was completely unimportant, right? I'm put off by the hijack. Obama is trailing in my estimation of the candidates. He declined to do the right thing... or any thing. I think I'll head over to http://www.myspace.com/richardsonforpresident and see what he has to say.   Posted by Natalia on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 4:34 AM [Reply to this]

	Nikki	Obama trusted Joe, and Joe cut off his access to the page they built together try and strong-arm him. Obama's staff coordinated with Joe on the content until Joe tried to use the page as a bargaining tool for money and fame.   Posted by Nikki on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 5:12 AM [Reply to this]

	Kristin	<P>Uh, Joe built the page. The came in comparatively recently, and Joe didn't want to be paid until they wanted to take it away.</P><P>Suppose you decide you want to build all the furniture for your house. You finish a few pieces, they're beautiful, your neighbor has such an admiration for what you're doing, he offers you some wood. Neither of you expects compensation, you're just "working together." You continue to build, using his contributions of wood, you do beautiful work, just for the love of doing it and with your eye on the end result. Then one day your neighbor shows up and somehow manipulates the police into breaking into your house for him, loads all the furniture out of your house and takes it out and sells it, based on the argument that he gave you some of the wood. You would just let him have it, wouldn't ask any compensation at all, be happy with the satisfaction of having built it, even though you then had nothing to show for it? Right.</P>   Posted by Kristin on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 7:31 PM [Reply to this]

	Stacey	Is this the same Nikki who wrote.... "You made a HUGE contribution to the Obama campaign with your time and service. I think that no matter what the minor issues were, your overall impact was positive and I have a lot of respect for you." "I'm glad to hear that he called to thank you for your work. I want to say thanks too." Maybe Nikki's MySpace account was hijacked too!?!? :-)   Posted by Stacey on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 6:16 AM [Reply to this]

	Nikki	<P>Yep, Stacey.  That's me. Joe did make a huge contribution with his time and service. His work was inspiring. That's no excuse for how he tried to "negotiate".</P><P>I hope Joe comes to his senses.</P>   Posted by Nikki on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 3:48 AM [Reply to this]

	Joe Anthony Joe Anthony	Nikki, that is just not true. They offered a one time fee, but asked me to propose one. They are leaving this part out of their blog. I never proposed a fee like this before and had no idea what to ask. I did it, and now they're accusing me of blackmailing them. That is not true, and it's not fair.   Posted by Joe Anthony on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 3:52 AM [Reply to this]

	Stacey	Joe, I agree with Alan, no apology? I have been following the site for sometime and am bothered by what the campaign did. The arrogance shown makes me question the type of people Obama would have as his advisors in the White House. Also, is this how the campaign handles “issues”? Schedule a surprise phone call from Barack Obama to make everything better, rather sad. Got to be honest, I’m really struggling with this one and am starting to examine other candidates. Truth, honor, and integrity is all is ask; maybe I need to learn to lower my expectations! Frustrated, -Stacey   Posted by Stacey on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 2:47 AM [Reply to this]

	adam	if it were a parody site making fun of obama then he would have been protected by satire laws.  he instead made a supportive site, which was basically taken away from him without any due process.  You'd think that if someone wanted to take something from you that they would offer something in return.  This isn't a case of cyber-squatting, it's a fan site on frikkin _myspace_.    Posted by adam on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 4:05 AM [Reply to this]

	dracfyr	A person's work is their property.  Obama stole that work and tried to make it his own.  [I don't differentiate between Obama and his campaign, because if Obama gave the word, the site would be returned to its owner post haste.]  If I built a scale model of a sailing ship, all on my own time, and some stranger said, I'd like to take your ship and put it on the mantle at home, I might either say "no", or "lets talk about it", or even "how much are you willing to pay me".  How I value my work is my choice, regardless of whether I originally intended to sell my model or not. At least, that's how us capitalist Republicans see it.  Now, if you are a socialist Democrat, its a "From each according to his means, to each according to his needs" kind of moment, with property rights not entering into the discussion at all.  From the tone of your post, you have the opinion that Obama needed the site for his own purposes, and therefore was entitled to take it.   Posted by dracfyr on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 3:52 AM [Reply to this]

	C to the..	<P>The boat analogy is horrible.   This isn't random people walking up to a tangible object.  This is all about names, URLs, and keeping a political camp's information factual and current.</P><P>Forgive me for not reading the entire string, but it seems to me that the Obama camp could have approached Joe (possibly with the Barack Obama phone call coming FIRST) and said "Listen, I love what you've done, and appreciate the support, but I'm going to have you talk with so-and-so with my campaign in order to ensure that what is on the page is factual, up-to-date, and meets with our approval.  I appreciate your hard work, and would like to see you work with so-and-so to continue to make this the foremost Barack Obama MySpace page."</P><P>I'm not sure, but I think Joe might have been jazzed by that.  No "how much for the page?" talk.   Everybody comes away happy.</P><P>As it stands now, everyone comes away looking like an ass.</P>   Posted by C to the.. on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 4:11 PM [Reply to this]

	sglv	One of the best posts I've seen on this.  Could have been handled far better than it was.  The way it was handled seems to make volunteers (and I'm with the opposite party) wonder why they bother.  These are unpaid positions who give countless hours as a "labor of love," the last thing any campaign should do is say thanks for the work you did, now hit the road ~ we don't want you anymore.  I tend to choose the guy who doesn't win, because I believe in him/her, but at least he appreciates the time I spent.  The status quo guy could care less b/c he's a "done deal."   Obama isn't a done deal yet.  Campaign managers should take note - volunteers are free labor and it's rare that they spend their own time on something they don't believe in.  They're certainly not in it to lose it.    Posted by sglv on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 6:21 AM [Reply to this]

	Kristin	<P>I totally agree with the ship analogy, even as a usual Democrat with socialist tendencies who thinks capitalism has gone awry and that everybody doesn't always deserve a cut. (Exemplified by the ridiculous number of entities involved in the buying of a house.)</P><P>I also ultimately do not differentiate between Obama and his campaign, if for no other reason than because of the office for which he is running. If you want to be in charge of a country, you should start by being in charge of your own campaign. And if you don't offer an apology, it's because you see no problem with what you've been involved in. I see both points of view, honestly, but I have big problems with how they went about exercising theirs.</P>   Posted by Kristin on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 7:29 PM [Reply to this]

	Scott	Joe didn't volunteer to work on this web site, only to have the control taken away from him. I'm pretty sure he didn't put money out of pocket, for the purposes of not receiving any extra credit. and no, he didn't delete your message. This wasn't extortion, there was no indication at all from Joe that he intended to stop running the site, or in anyway discontinue his work.  Rather, he rightfully thought that if the site he worked hard to be developed was to be taken away from him, that he had a right to reasonable compensation. Was $49K reasonable, I can't judge, I honestly never looked at the site, and don't know how much time he put into it. I think Joe would have been fine not taking the $49K, and continuing to control the site.  It was only when they wanted to dismiss him that he asked for compensation.   and btw, a lot of they way politics works is you start as a volunteer, and after a time, they begin to pay you for your work.       Posted by Scott on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 2:59 AM [Reply to this]

	Joe Anthony Joe Anthony	Honestly, I can't remember. I think he did, but he also said that he stood by his campaign. I did indicate that regardless of our relationship, they should apologize and reach out to the Myspace community. It's a community of 160,000 real people that use the site every day, not just a list of names.   Posted by Joe Anthony on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:12 AM [Reply to this]

	frank frank levangie	Obama should apologize and offer some $$$ for all Joe has done.........screw the dirty political games..........more dirty tricks from demogogues, that's all   Posted by frank on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 11:51 PM [Reply to this]

	Greg	I agree.   Posted by Greg on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 1:29 AM [Reply to this]

	Jennifer	I think you may be slightly starstruck right now. The people in Obama's campaign work for him. To say that he didn't know what was going on but that he will stand by his campaign regardless, is concerning to say the least. Will he pass the buck when something similar happens if he is President? The manner in which his campaign is managed will mirror his conduct as President. I was a very strong Obama supporter until this story broke. Now I am seriously reconsidering my support.   Posted by Jennifer on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:12 AM [Reply to this]

	Sublime Stitching * Jenny Hart Jenny Hart	I wholeheartedly agree with Jen and Tom's remarks. I was very, very disappointed to learn about this today. His campaign should reflect his leadership and the culture he creates around him. What you got was a phonecall meant to impress and mollify. I sent a message via the profile to express my disappointment and say what a dangerous message this sends to an undecided voter like myself. I was undecided on my vote, and I he's lost mine now for sure.    Posted by Sublime Stitching * Jenny Hart on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:19 AM [Reply to this]

	Nikki	<P>Powerful people are always going to be surrounded by ruthless cutthroats. They have that much ambition. It is easy to become a cynic in that atmosphere.</P><P>The profile you maintained was excellent. I like the fact that it was run by a volunteer and not campaign staff. It felt more real. I'm sure the new profile will be good too, but whatever, it's just myspace. I can get the video and campaign schedule in either place. </P><P>I hope you get your profile back. I see no reason why you cannot run an "official" page. It would actually be fun to compare!</P>   Posted by Nikki on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:18 AM [Reply to this]

	Nikki	*unofficial   Posted by Nikki on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:20 AM [Reply to this]

	eugene Eugene Keselman	<P>Joe</P><P>You did all of us a great deed by making and honorably maintaining the site. With 160K friends and new supporters including myself we all owe you alot of gratitude and so should Barak! His campaign speaks for him and vise versa an apology is due not only to everyone who has been inspired by Barak but to you for pointing people like me in the directions of a candidate i otherwise whould not have known! I know i'm not alone in this we can sit here for days reading comments of newly registered voters and supporters of the Obama campaign and we owe alot of it to you. Lets face it the site was and is a great well of directions for support of the campaign and its candidate. It deserves its moderator and creator in the driver seat YOU! Your efforts were not wasted my friend thanks to you Barak has thousands of new supporters! Lets see what tommorow brings.</P><P> </P>   Posted by eugene on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:26 AM [Reply to this]

	Joe Anthony Joe Anthony	There's just a lot to consider right now, and I'm still working to find a positive outcome to all this. What they did was wrong, no doubt about it. I just want to find my way forward.   Posted by Joe Anthony on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:33 AM [Reply to this]

	Nikki	Yeah, they should not have taken your page away. You should get it back. However, it is fair that they shouldn't have to pay you for an unofficial page. If you were paid you would be under their control. I liked the fact that it was independent, and I hope you get it back. Ultimately, a formal campaign is a more structured operation.   Posted by Nikki on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:44 AM [Reply to this]

	me	No Nikki, formal campaigns do not have to be so structured as to take over someone else's MySpace or Web site or anything of the sort. Howard Dean didn't do it, John Edwards isn't doing it and anyone who does this in the future will be in hot water for doing it because it is the wrong thing to do to a supporter, especially in this day and age. Maybe Joe asked for more than the Obama campaign wanted to pay. Maybe the campaign offered $1. We may never know, but Joe has a right to have a serious negotiation and if the Obama campaing wants his MySpace they should compensate him with something.   Posted by me on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 5:48 AM [Reply to this]

	Scott	I agree, I think the real problem here is that the campaign wants control of the site, primarily because it was so popular, and 160000 potential voters that you can contact is nothing to sneeze at, especially for free. I doubt the campaign will ever agree to give Joe the site back, and if they don't, then they should compensate him for it, and he can start another one, on whatever topic he selects.     Posted by Scott on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 3:04 AM [Reply to this]

	Adam Rinkleff Lirath Pynnor	Obama had no right to hijack your page; if he wanted to create his own page, he should have done that instead. These people think they can ride roughshod over us, placate us with a few smiles and insincere statements, and still get our vote just because we don't like the Republicans -- don't let them use you like that, pick a new candidate.    Posted by Adam Rinkleff on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:31 AM [Reply to this]

	glenn	Yep, lessons to be learned by all.  I was intrigued to learn that Chris Hughes (a co-founder of facebook) was involved in all of this.  After I donated to the Obama campaign I was offered the chance to join the my.barackobama.com social network, and I was sorta curious what it was.  After joining it, I was underwhelmed with what it had to offer compared to myspace.   I have to wonder if the Obama campaign, at Chris's recommendation, was putting all of it's eggs in the my.barackobama.com basket, and was ignoring the potential of myspace... and perhaps Chris didn't like the fact that Joe's myspace profile was more popular than the my.barackobama.com network.  I really have to question the value of a single purpose network like the one the Obama campaign is trying to get its supporters to use.  Anyway, that is all conjecture.  Joe, kudos to you for building such a large and popular profile.  I hope you remain an Obama supporter, in spite of what some of his staffers did.  Yes, the buck stops with Obama with this blunder, but I'm sure in the bigger scheme of things, he had much larger issues to worry about than an internet social network site, and he had probably delegated this to Chris.... and now he has had to step in and try to repair the damage Chris caused.  I'll be very curious to see how much longer Chris is in charge of this aspect of the campaign.   Posted by glenn on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:38 AM [Reply to this]

	Four_Sisters_Boutique	Hi, I was curious about an article I read on Yahoo that said you requested $39,000 plus an additional $10,000 in fees.  Could you please tell me if 1) this is true and 2) why you needed this much money to turn over the page? Thank you, Mary   Posted by Four_Sisters_Boutique on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:39 AM [Reply to this]

	The Leprakan Kevin Meehan	Gotta be honest, I agree with the position on both sides.  From what I've read, the Obama campaign wanted to have final editorial control of the site; for this Joe requested about $50000 (give or take, and in my opinion a very fair amount).  This is where it apparently went south, when Joe changed the password that both sides had been using to edit content, which Joe had freely shared prior.  In a perfect world Joe gets the money (which imho he earned) and maybe occasional invites to blog on the site, and Joe shares the info collected with the campaign.  Many believe that the campaign was wrong, but let's get real, one misstep by a rouge and the campaign could go into a tailspin.  Barack did the honorable thing, although I hope that there are thanks given to Joe on the original profile.  I say let's get beyond this and continue our support for this stand-up man.   Posted by The Leprakan on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 1:00 AM [Reply to this]

	Adam Rinkleff Lirath Pynnor	Why shouldn't the guy get paid for his work? Furthermore, he didn't demand that much money -- he was asked to name a price, and he named one... after that, rather than have moral integrity, it turns out that Barak decided to play 'rough'. I sure won't vote for someone so under-handed and dishonorable.    Posted by Adam Rinkleff on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:46 AM [Reply to this]

	Nikki	Sardonic curmudgeon, you can't just start working and expect to get paid.  You have to be hired.   Posted by Nikki on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:53 AM [Reply to this]

	Adam Rinkleff Lirath Pynnor	He didn't EXPECT to get paid; the Obama people asked him to suggest what he thought he deserved, and he responded -- Joe didn't do anything wrong, and you can't tell me that Obama can afford millions for lame TV commercials, but not a dime for Joe's hard work. In any case, Joe created the page, and Obama had NO RIGHT to steal it.   Posted by Adam Rinkleff on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 1:24 AM [Reply to this]

	paul	But he's Barack, doesn't he have a right to whatever he wants!! Just imagine what he'll steal from you if he gets his hands on the presidency! Myspace will be the least of America's worries...       Posted by paul on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 4:55 AM [Reply to this]

	Pablo	Dude, so what he called. You get all in a huff, make a big national scene about your profile getting swiped, then get all in a dizzy when the dude calls you. Why wouldn't we change our views of Barack when HIS campaign screws the average guy? That's what Bush has been doing for seven years. Come'on, dude. Let'em hang and tell Barack to go take his strongarm tactics and shove it. If not, why the hell did u make a big scene? oy vey.   Posted by Pablo on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:50 AM [Reply to this]

	Nikki	...you could ask people to donate some money directly to you to maintain that sort of page...as an independent non-profit organization behind Obama.   Posted by Nikki on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:50 AM [Reply to this]

	To You From [Marticus]	are you guys seriously saying that Obama should have to pay a person $49,000 for a vote?? to a person who decided on his own to make an Obama site? come on it is his name you were representing and he has the right to do with as he pleases.   Posted by To You From [Marticus] on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:56 AM [Reply to this]

	*The Dream*	No - actually if you want a TRUE grassroots movement you can't sit and control everyone who writes about you, blogs about you, and supports you - that's a wee bit totalitarian!!!!  And it saw $39,000 - not 49,000 but it wasn't for his vote - it was so they could take over and control the site he'd spent a lot of time and energy creating.  He does not have the right to "do with as he pleases" somebody else's page!   Posted by *The Dream* on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 5:22 AM [Reply to this]

	Scott	Of course not, but, if the campaign wants control over a site that someone else designed, and started, yes, they should have to pay for it. and public figures are different from private individuals, and while true, Barack Obama does have a right to Trademark his name, it isn't clear to me that the original site ever represented itself to be the "official Barack Obama site" in fact, just the opposite.     Posted by Scott on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 3:09 AM [Reply to this]

	Greg	Really now, that is not how this is going to turn out...... Check recent web site addresses etc.  Obama wants a clean slate. This was just PLAIN WRONG !!   Posted by Greg on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 1:34 AM [Reply to this]

	Oscar	This is like the guy that comes and stabs you in the back and his father comes over and tells you how sorry he is. Regardless, you are still stabbed. What Obama should have done was to return the blog to Joe. Who runs his campaign, him or some burocrat?. Is this the way the White House is going to be run, if Obama is elected president?.  Other people in the background unknown to us are going to run the presidency?. What the heck is going on?. This situation shows very clearly that Obama has no backbone and like a lamb to the slaughterhouse follows what some nincompoop tells him to do. This situation has shown us a very dangerous fault in Mr. Obama's character. Lack of what is right and what should be done in conflicting situations with his staff. Don't be confused, Obama is the one that runs his political campaing. The rest of the people, the campaign manager,etc...,  are there to advise him. HE MAKES THE DECISIONS. If does not, then, he should never be elcted.    Posted by Oscar on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:56 AM [Reply to this]

	Greg	I definitely agree....and since this campaign has been built by people like Joe and to a much lesser extent as myself......those of us who truly respect FREEDOM, well, I am truly dismayed.   Posted by Greg on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 1:36 AM [Reply to this]

	A.P.R.M.	<P>I apologize for my comment on your previous blog entry, I reacted that way because of this article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070503/ap_on_el_pr/obama_myspace.</P><P> I'm glad that you are continuing your support of Barack Obama, he is the best candidate and will make a great President. </P>   Posted by A.P.R.M. on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:59 AM [Reply to this]

	2Serenity = OBAMA	Wow! I wish I had read this after everything I have been reading in the papers today. I honestly did not feel as though Barack Obama would direct anyone to do the things that they insisted on you doing -- giving up your information to the "unofficial" myspace page. That was extremely big of him and let's me appreciate that he is a human and not like some other people who are currently in control of our country. He always had my support but knowing all of what has gone down these past few days and to see him reach out to you despite the friction that was extremely big of him to do that! He wants you to know that he appreciates what you have done in support of him  and he does not want you having ill thoughts of him or what you believed in him. Just think of all the hard times he has gone through trying to get to where he is today. He really tries his hardest not to forget the little people because at one time he was one of them until the Democractic National Convenction which skyrocketed his popularity. {{{{Joe}}}}} Thank you, Joe, for keeping us updated!   Posted by 2Serenity = OBAMA on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 12:59 AM [Reply to this]

	Papa2Girls	Serenity, reading through your post felt like being on a roller coaster only to be finished off by a spin Dr.   To this point in time Senator Obama has still not done the right thing and apologized to not only Joe but the rest of us supporters. (possible supporters)   Until that happens the ground work for getting the word out about "MySpaceGate" is being laid to rest assured that it does if he wants our votes. .........................  ~another average joe   Posted by Papa2Girls on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 1:23 AM [Reply to this]

	John Pemble	<P>You were worth the amount of money you requested, but they will see it as a volunteer thing.  At the worst they should offer tax credit / exchange of services.  I don't think they'll do it but this is the kind of grassroots work many other campaign staffers get paid to do.  Some make a lot of money, others make very little money for a summer's work.  In any event I'm sure the values that drew you to this candidate will re-emerge after you give yourself some distance from the mechanics and business of a political campaign.  All political campaigns contain unpleasant things from any party.  It's just business.  Good work on being a proactive citizen.</P><P> </P><P> </P>   Posted by John Pemble on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 1:01 AM [Reply to this]

	Tenacious D	When you started the site you expected no monetary gain.  You were doing it to support the best candidate.  Why did you change the password to lock them out if you were all about cooperation and support?  Maybe if BOTH sides had played fair none of this would have happened.  Fickle fickle supporters.  They simply wanted to take control of something that was in HIS name, not yours.  Your name was not on the space, his was.  The things you would have said would have reflected directly on him as a candidate, I think a lot of fickle supporters have forgotten that key fact.  Now you want money for all your hard work.  Lot's of people volunteer daily for a variety of organizations.  If we all suddenly requested money what would be the outcome?  I hope everyone can see both sides of this situation.  Sour grapes are just that.  Everyone needs to quit being so blindsided by what they see as "everyman" being given the shaft by the big bully politician.   Posted by Tenacious D on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 1:02 AM [Reply to this]

	Kristin	So if you had any hobby you were passionate about, put 2 1/2 years into, never expecting money for it at the time, and somebody came and wanted to take everything you'd produced away from you, you'd just give it to them, no questions asked?   Posted by Kristin on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 7:31 PM [Reply to this]

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