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septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi 

Humeur actuelle :  méditatif

     This post will sound two ways. First, it will sound like I am saying something, when in reality, I am asking something. Second, it is going to sound like I am picking on a specific group of people. I am not. I am merely accepting an undeniable reality and asking "why?"
     Although the idea of intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe has been dismissed by some Atheists and Agnostics, the overwhelming majority of people who refuse to even acknowledge the possibility are Western, Christian Creationists. Here is where it gets weird for me. Of all the people I could think of to have a problem with the idea, the Creationists should be the last on the list. Oddly, they are first. I am going to explain why I believe it is strange that Creationists would be so vociferously set against the idea, as well as what I believe to be the cause of their vehement reluctance to even entertain the possibility.
     Christianity teaches many things about God. There are two basic precepts to the Christian view of God that factor into this discussion. First, Christianity teaches that God is eternal. To the Christians, this not only means that God will live forever and never die but that he has ALWAYS existed, without Beginning. I know most people believe they can comprehend the notion of living forever into the future. I do not believe we can. I believe that we have convinced ourselves that we understand the depth and implications of the concept. More than that, I do not believe that the Human mind can fully comprehend the concept of always being. Can we really understand what it means to have no beginning? It is concepts such as this that make Faith a necessary part of belief in any Diety. Faith is a mechanism through which we can fill in the blanks left by a lack of facts, information or ability to intellectually understand a concept. For the purpose of this discussion, we will assume that this Faith is not misplaced and that God has indeed existed forever.
     If He has, what has he been doing with his time? Christian tradition teaches that God created the Heavens and the Earth in six days. I know Mike Huckabee believes this to be a fact. I know he is not alone. From our perspective, "six days" means six 24 hour periods. That leaves God with an enormous amount of wasted time on His hands. Archaeology and Anthropology have proven, beyond question, that whether we evolved or were Created, Humans have existed on this planet for millions of years. The Earth itself has existed much longer than that. Even if you accept that the writer of Genesis was engaging in some literary liberties and that it took a lot longer than six of our days, say hundreds, thousands or even millions of years for God to create the Universe and everything in it, that still leaves billions of trillions of years of God's time unaccounted for. What was he doing for the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years before that? Not to mention the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years before that? Now do you understand what I mean about having no beginning? I could have put a 1 at the top of the page and filled the rest of the page with zeros and it would still only represent a microcosm of the time Christianity teaches us that God has already existed. What has a being with His awesome creative powers been doing all this time? He sat around for an eternity to finally get off His cosmic Duff and create, what, US? The experiment He tried here, (I say 'experiment' because the Bible teaches that the purpose of the Great Flood was to wipe out the mistake and start over) He never tried anywhere else in the Universe? If not, then what has He been doing with all His time? Trying to figure out why Britney Spears, Ben Stiller and David Caruso have careers?
     The second teaching of Christianity that factors into this discussion is the idea that we were created in God's image. This belief has the effect of making a person feel special. Taken literally, it means we are nothing short of God-like. That is, in the mind of a Christian anyway, a very unique thing to be. It has long been held by Christians that Mankind represents the pinnacle of God's handiwork. That attitude (and this is where you all get pissed at me) has always seemed like an exercise in arrogance to me. To understand why I feel this way, look at where the idea came from. Thousands of years ago, some guy wrote down that God created us, He did it in six days and we were made in His image. None of us know this guy. We heard that he claimed to be inspired by God to write what he wrote. We have no way of knowing if he really did claim that or if he did, if the claim was true. THAT is what Faith is for. We have chosen to believe it because it makes us feel special and it justifies the superiority, real or imagined, that we have seen fit to bestow upon ourselves.
     As near as I have been able to figure out, it is this arrogance that demands of many of us that we reject the notion that, somewhere else in this vast Universe, God may well have created other forms of intelligent life with all the time He has had on His hands. We are just too unique and special for it to be possible for there to exist other races of beings equal to, or superior to us. Thus it is that the one group of people who should be most open to the idea, given their special knowledge of God's lifespan, not to mention His creative abilities, are the most likely to reject it out of hand. They are unique in all of Creation. The Bible tells them so. Pat Robertson tells them so. Therefore, the question is closed. Arrogance demands it.
     Well, I'm not that arrogant. Are we the crowning achievement of God's creative power? I don't know. If we are, may I politely suggest that He needs more practice? By and large, we suck. I would think that an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful God, with eternity and beyond to think about it, could do better than us. I am humble enough to allow for the possibility that He has tried. Perhaps somewhere, on some distant planets, live the results of other creative endeavours He has undertaken throughout limitless Time. Perhaps not. As it stands now, we have no way to know for sure. To insist that we are all there is, that nothing else in the Universe but God Himself can compare to how "amazing" we are, is an exercise in self-convincing, as well as unmitigated arrogance.
     So here are my questions? Why do you believe we are the only sentient, intelligent or "advanced" life in the Universe? Why are you so insistent that the existence of such life elsewhere is impossible? Why is it so damn important to you that we are "all there is?" Can you explain to me how your Bible, which goes to such lengths to demand humility from you, permits such unapologetic arrogance?
     It is possible that I am just hopelessly dense. Be that as it may, I fail to see how, if God created us to live here, He could not have created others to live elsewhere. Could someone please explain to me how those two concepts are mutually exclusive?

     NOTE: I am Agnostic. I am neither a believer or a disbeliever. I do not have enough information to make a decision about the existence of God and Faith doesn't cut it for me. I accept the possibility that there is a God, just as I accept the possibility that there might not be. I am not convinced we just evolved, nor am I convinced we were created. I also do not believe those two states to be mutually exclusive. If there is a God, it may be that we were created to evolve. It may also be that other societies, on other planets, were created to do the same or that they have evolved as we have. Accepting that, I am forced to accept the possibility that other cultures may exist elsewhere and that they may be less or more advanced, (and by unimaginable margins) than we are.
     Although comments and thoughts from all are welcome, I wrote this in the hopes that those who believe in God might be willing or able to explain to me why they seem so dead set against the idea of other worlds being inhabited by intelligent life forms of some kind.
     This is not an attack. It is the result of decades of observation and curiosity about what I have observed, mostly in a particular group of people. If I don't ask, I can't understand.

Cherie Amour

 
It seems highly improbable to me that there is not and has never been intelligent life on other planets somewhere in the universe besides our own. Surely we can't be the crowning achievement of God's power...that would be the Borg! lol. Maybe we are just one experiment, one branch of advanced intelligent life. It's beyond our ability to know for certain with our limited space exploration and inability to see with clarity and accuracy beyond our own solar system. My concept of God is big enough to have created many advanced life forms on many planets. I hadn't thought about the Creationist Christians being the main group who find that idea impossible....interesting. Also interesting that most of our ideas of "aliens" are derived from 1950's black and white sci-fi flicks, and, of course, E.T. and Men in Black! I think there is other intelligent life in the universe, although we likely will not discover it in our lifetime.
 
Publié par Cherie Amour le septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi - 12:10
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
I believe it is improbable as well, if only because, if I were God and the Biblical account of Creation was all that I had done throughout all of my existence, I would be one seriously bored Supreme Being.
If there are others elsewhere, we probably won't discover them in our lifetime but what if THEY discover US?
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi - 12:16
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Max

 
I think the numbers are good for other intelligent life forms somewhere else. Where here aren't we?

To be offended by someones religion you need one of your own. Let them fight amongst themselves I say.
 
Publié par Max le septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi - 2:30
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
I have no religion but there are still general aspects of religion that offend me, such as the ease with which religious beliefs tend to lend themselves to the justification of hate, abuse and violence.
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi - 2:34
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~char~

 
I'll be curious to see the comments on this one.

To be honest, I've always had a hard time comprehending the whole idea of God always existing, so I just accept it. Yes, I know....blind faith. It's mind-boggling for me to think about. How do we really wrap our mind around the concept of time in God's terms, though? Didn't we learn somewhere that one day is like the equivalent of 1,000 years, or something? The blink of God's eye is supposed to be years for us.

As for other intelligent life....I couldn't say one way or the other. I suppose anything is possible.

As always, Alan....you make my mind wander. I completely believe in God, but when you raise questions, I don't even know WHAT I am....lol
 
Publié par ~char~ le septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi - 2:29
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
The reference to 1,000 years being like a day in the eyes of God is from the Book of Psalms. I always took it to be a generic, descriptive term rather than something specific. Kind of like when the Bible says someone went off somewhere for "forty days and forty nights." That is really nothing more than a Hebraic idiom that basically means "we don't know how long he was gone but it was a long time."
If there is a God and He really is bilaterally immortal, I am sure He wouldn't measure or even conceive of time in the same way that we do. That idea of having no beginning has always been a particular point of fascination for me. You're right. It is hard for us to get our minds around such a concept.
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi - 2:42
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
I have the same problem. I want to believe but I just can't make that "leap" of Faith. I guess that's why they call it a leap.
As I was saying to Cherie above, Even though we will never have the technology in our lifetimes to find anyone who might be living on other planets somewhere, who's to say they don't have the technology to find us? It is often argued that the speeds necessary to traverse those distances are not possible. It would be more accurate to say they aren't possible for us. Yet. I think we look at the prospect of interstellar travel the way we look at the God question. If WE don't know "how," then it must not be real or it must not be doable. We certainly do think highly of ourselves, don't we?
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi - 2:57
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bigbabyjezus aka TuBlog Shakur

 
wassup Alan....interesting....
I am a christian....firm believer in God...and strong in my faith. Somewhere I think I heard that mankind only uses like 10 percent of our brains or something like that....I say that because there are somethings we are not meant to comprehend or even know and without faith....mankind would drive himself crazy trying to figure the answers out.....

I believe in God and respect science....
I believe that God has always been around and I believe we are not alone in the universe...what has God been doing for all of these years.....creating and learning...there's a million life forms here on earth alone..much less the universe.....and I'd like to think mankind is just one of his many experiments......I think there is truth to the Bible and to the Big-Bang theory.......
 
Publié par bigbabyjezus aka TuBlog Shakur le septembre 26, 2007 - mercredi - 11:49
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
"There are some things we are not meant to comprehend or even know..." That is the answer I received too many times when I asked a question. To be honest, it is one of the reasons I don't trust organized religion. It is my belief that there are many things we do not understand and may never know but that doesn't necessarily mean that we aren't supposed to. For instance, we apparently don't understand how to live in peace with each other but I can't help but think we are SUPPOSED to know and have just failed.
That answer has always seemd like a copout to me. Rather than admit they haven't figured something out yet, religious leaders throw out that "not meant to know" thing as a way of saving face. I never understood what they were worried about in admitting that they didn't know something. After all, it is not THEM that I am supposed to have faith in, but God. Therefore, they lose nothing by just saying, "I don't know."
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 27, 2007 - jeudi - 12:12
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
Would your father, a devout Christian, have been troubled by the fact that he had something in common with me, an Agnostic? Because, I tend to agree with him one hundred percent regarding the waste of space. It neither seems practical or logical that God would waste that much space and so much time just creating us.
I also wish I had that kind of faith. One of the things that, I guess, makes me a sinner is that I envy people who can believe so wholeheartedly. I've never had that certainty either way.
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 27, 2007 - jeudi - 12:17
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
We do have a habit of ascribing anything we don't understand to a Diety. There was a time when thunder was considered the roar of angry Gods.
I have had a theory for some time that, if there is a God, there likely have been several Universes. Whether they have existed at the same time or sequentially, throughout time, I would have no idea.
I think God may serve as a catch-all for all the things we don't understand. It seems whenever someone is confronted with a question they can't answer, out comes "The Lord works in mysterious ways" or "He will reveal Himself to us in his own time" or whatever. We don't like to admit we don't have all the answers. Having a secretive, mysterious God to blame it all on is a very handy cushion for our fragile egos.
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 27, 2007 - jeudi - 8:01
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Chris

 
You always give me food for thought, Alan. Unfortunately, I can't offer you anything profound. Yes, I was raised in a Bible-believing, Christian home, as you know. And for all intents and purposes, I suppose you can consider me, a "Christian." But you also know where I'm at these days in regard to my faith. Questions. Many questions. Like you, I'm still searching for answers. An endless quest, it seems.

I was taught, of course, that we are the only life form in the universe. However, I was only offered an abstract/faith-based reason as to why I should accept this for truth. "The Bible would have mentioned life on other planets, i.e., no mention of Jesus visiting other planets. He came to earth to die for "our" sins, His creation." And at the age of eight, the simplistic mind of a child, I remember thinking, maybe they have their own Bible on Mars? I didn't dare voice that.

"He sat around for an eternity to finally get off His cosmic Duff and create, what, US? The experiment He tried here, (I say 'experiment' because the Bible teaches that the purpose of the Great Flood was to wipe out the mistake and start over) He never tried anywhere else in the Universe?" LMAO. (God forgive me, I feel the flames singeing my toes) So, hypothetically, if we're not the only living creatures in the Universe, were we the practice run, or were they? I suppose I'm leaning toward, He got it right with them, his perfect image. We can't possibly be it...

Do I believe in "aliens?" In my heart, no. Would I ever say there's no way they exist? No. But not because of the beliefs instilled in me all my life. Much like Bigfoot, I need concrete evidence. Why do I believe in a God I've never seen you may ask, though I doubt/question at times? Because I've felt His presence, tangibly, especially when I was a child. And I've seen miracles with my own eyes.
 
Publié par Chris le septembre 27, 2007 - jeudi - 7:37
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
Some believe that the Bible does mention, if only obliquely, life on other planets. Jesus told his disciples that there would be "other sheep who will hear my voice." There are those who believe this means he would be going to other planets to preach after his Resurrection. Of course, the Mormons believe he was referring to his intention to come to the Americas and spread the word, an event they believe took place after his Resurrection.
I can't speak to the veracity of these theories and certainly don't want to base my life decisions on semantics but it is interesting that he said these "other sheep" would hear his "voice" rather than his "words" or even, "The Word."
Just something else to ponder.
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 27, 2007 - jeudi - 8:09
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Chris

 
Something else to ponder indeed.
 
Publié par Chris le septembre 28, 2007 - vendredi - 11:01
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Paula
Paula Cook-Farkas

 
Your blog was cursed last night, as I lost my post that to you... damn...let me try again. I think the perspective you have presented is very unique and one I have not heard of before. I am also Agnostic...organized religion is too much for me to stomach, so I like to keep an open mind about all there is out there, with the exception of the above. I like the concepts of Hinduism, particularly Karma, and I have to say I live my life based on this, and the fact that what we put out in the world is what we get back. As far as life on other planets, I believe there is such a thing, as this universe is so ginormous that I cannot even fathom the depths of it, and we are but a grain of sand on a grain of sand...I think this about covers most of what I said, but the first post was probably better.
 
Publié par Paula le septembre 28, 2007 - vendredi - 11:01
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
I'm just glad you are willing to share your thoughts with the rest of us and grateful that you choose to do so here.
Myspazz can be annoying, can't it. Tom is the reason I got Word, so that I wouldn't keep losing entire blog posts I had spent two hours on.
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 28, 2007 - vendredi - 11:12
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Peace, Love and Unity !

 
I tried to post twice and it didn't come through, I just think there are mysteries we will never have the answers too, whether religious or not and life is one big mystery, Great thoughts my friend, Peace,Margaret
 
Publié par Peace, Love and Unity ! le septembre 29, 2007 - samedi - 11:38
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
I have always felt that a "mystery" is nothing more than a question we don't know the answer to...YET. I don't believe in an unanswerable question. The limits we face are not limitations of information. They are limitations on our current ability to find the information. Keyword being, "current."
At least that is what keeps me going, the idea that the answers are attainable if I try hard enough. (That's also what got me through Math class...)
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le septembre 29, 2007 - samedi - 11:46
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Peace, Love and Unity !

 
I need a drink Math never was my best subject, You are a deep thinker my friend,Love ,Margaret
 
Publié par Peace, Love and Unity ! le octobre 4, 2007 - jeudi - 8:06
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Crash
Cassandra Lunderville

 
i dont know wher i stand on this one, i consider myself agnostic as well, for the same reasons most of you do, i cant wrap my head, or my faith into one particular religion. probably due to the fact that over time, the ideals and very missions of these religions were lost in translation. a huge game of telephone if you will.

i dont howver, neccesarily believe that there is one god that created the whole universe. despite the fact that this guy is all knowing and all powerful...i believe it mentions in the bible that we are not to worship any gods before him. now is that admittting that there are other gods, we just cant put our faith into them if we want to secure our places in heaven? the universe is an awfully big place, and its constantly expanding. i dont know about you, but id need some help, even if i were all powerful.

its also interesting how you had called us an experiment. ive wondered the very same thing from time to time. when i was in highschool, we had this course called civilizations. the point was to build a community and give it certain factors so it could flourish and evolve. obviously you would learn from the different stages in evolution and plan out your next move in creation. basically, you were a god...of course to little plastic figures and fake grain, but in theory, you controlled your own little world.

there are so many planets, galaxies, and even planes of existence that arent even a part of our own universe. i find it a little hard to believe that one person runs the whole show. but also, i dont believe that he had the means to create everything with the snap of a finger. he, in theory, needed to be taught, if you dont have any concept of something, how do you come up with ideas? in other words, if youve never been taught that the color red IS in fact the color red, then what is it? as far as you could be concerned its a fork. now, if you run along side with that theory...wouldnt others need to be taught as well? maybe were just sitting on a table as a science experiment to a being thats been going to "god" school for a few years. maybe were a final so this being can move onto their own experiments in own glorious universe, or even on another plane. who knows? anything, and i mean ANYTHING is possible.

and if there was just one god...if i were him, id create some homies. give them a planet or two...id imagine that itd get pretty boring up there, all by yourself with no one to show off your little creations with. now, if there were a group or god trying to out do the other, THEN it gets interesting. if we really were created in his image..than is fair to think that we have many of his characteristics. such as the need for appreciation, pride (even though thats a sin), curiosity, the thirst for answers, the need for companionship.

i do really like what butterfly had to say though. my grandmother had explained it to me in that very same way, and i havent had a doubt that there are other life forms in the universe since.
 
Publié par Crash le octobre 2, 2007 - mardi - 7:35
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Alan Dale Wallace
Alan Wallace

 
First, thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.
As I understand it, Heaven is inhabited by God, Jesus and various forms of angels, with God as the sole Creator of all. I can just picture that, after creating something, God called everyone over and went, "Hey, check this out...pretty wild, huh? I thought I'd give this batch two eyes because the one-eyed ones kept walking into shit. What do you think?"
Although we are supposed to be created in God's image, it may be that pride is reserved for God. Maybe that's why it made the list of sins. I don't know. All of this religion stuff is very confusing for me. Look at us. There are so many of us who live our lives as though it is a certainty that God exists, making life decisions based upon our belief in an unprovable Being, yet we can't bring ourselves to think that it might be a good idea to wear a seat belt. Seems to be a bizarrely selective way to go about life.
 
Publié par Alan Dale Wallace le octobre 2, 2007 - mardi - 7:51
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