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Thursday, August 30, 2007 
i think it is very bad for an artist to have a desire to be liked. it is also bad for an artist to want to be disliked. although, from an audience members perspective, both have there potential upsides. for example, the average Barbara Streisand fan is not going to want to be verbally abused by Babs at a concert, but, a G.G.Allen fan would've been seriously disappointed if that legendary figure wouldn't have, at the very least, thrown a little of his own shit on to the crowd. But did G.G. throw his shit on to the crowd in an attempt to be liked or in an attempt to be disliked? Who knows? Not the shit, that's for sure. But performing and writing/recording are very different things. Most songwriters aren't going to allow themselves to present their personalities/public persona in an unflattering way. Most songwriters try to release their songs in an attempt to be noticed and to be loved, probably, and, since it is a big deal to release an album and a great opportunity for a writer to express the things they feel the need to express, it's not surprising that most writers rarely display a side of their personality that isn't somewhat likable or flattering. I think it's a shame because, most of us, can relate to that unflattering side of humanity. We can identify with, or at least are fascinated by, the socially damaging attributes inherent in all of us.

An example of a writer who faced these subjects head on is, Jean Genet. I am fascinated by his writings. His portrayal of the criminal and the profane is wonderful. The thing is, Genet was a criminal before discovering his calling as a writer and, if he would have never written anything down, or at least never have gotten published, he probably would have remained a criminal until his death and would have been forgotten forever. As it is, though, he is a celebrated writer and an inspiration for many other great writers, like W Burroughs, J Kerouac, M Foucault...What's my point again? Um...oh yeah, i think more pop songwriters should write about the regrettable aspects of the human mind. We shouldn't be afraid of looking ugly or terrifying. The funny thing is,in hip-hop at least, writers are already doing just that. But the difference is, they are portraying themselves in an ugly way unintentionally. They don't realize that bragging about how much money you make and how much pussy you get and how many people you have killed is not endearing. Maybe they do realize it and they just don't give a fuck. They want to brag cause it feels good to brag. It feels good to let the ego rage. I'm sure it does feel good. In fact, I can say from experience that it does feel good, because I am doing it myself on my new album. Ha.
Actually, that is what this rant is all about. I am exploring the dark and gloriously detestable sides of my consciousness. A lot of the people I've played the new songs for have been confused. I'm probably going to lose some fans but I don't care. I don't care because, I'm enjoying myself. I don't care because, I'm following the organic path of my muse, or whatever. Most of all I don't care because, the indie rock world is too polite and likable and I feel it needs the drunken uncle to show up, uninvited, to the birthday party and vomit on the couch. Not every year of course, but at least once in a while.
Jen

 
Preach it, brother.
 
Posted by Jen on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:36 AM
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John

 
Here is one fan of yours who will be anticipating your next release - warts and all.
 
Posted by John on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:37 AM
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Chris

 
I hope you allow the new material to see the light of day. If you ever have any doubts come back and reread your words.
 
Posted by Chris on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:37 AM
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redsean

 
as long as its not just for a shock, then it should be amazing. i agree with a lot of what you said in the second paragraph, too. people that make music generally dont want to have to perform something in front of thousands of people about things theyre ashamed of, so its all candy coated these days.

and eerily strange that you mention drunken uncle, because when i opened for you guys 2 years ago and took a picture with you, one of my friends (who doesnt listen to you) said you looked like the sleazy uncle at the family reunion hitting on the in-laws. at the time it was blasphemy to me, but now it seems pretty hilarious.
 
Posted by redsean on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:39 AM
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Groupie Goldmine

 
There are not enough brave souls, unafraid to discover this, the darkest side of the Moon.
 
Posted by Groupie Goldmine on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:39 AM
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Kateoppolis

 
I agree, too many artists worry about their appearance and how they'll be perceived, especially by critics. I'm glad you're enjoying exploring new themes to write about! Your attitude is great too, because it sounds like you are solely concerned with pleasing yourself first, which is really all that matters. I'm looking forward to hearing this new material!
 
Posted by Kateoppolis on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:40 AM
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@sddialedin

 
you could be the drunk uncle puking on my couch anyday.
 
Posted by @sddialedin on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:41 AM
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Hucklebuckle
jordan lewis

 
You are on a mission to save rock and roll!
 
Posted by Hucklebuckle on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:42 AM
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Chad

 
I love you and look forward to hearing the new material...ohhh and to see you again when you play at Numbers :) thx for all the wonderful music!! im sure you get this all of the time but I just had to put it out there :)
 
Posted by Chad on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:42 AM
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Kyle

 
It's pretty sweet how your music constantly evolves and how it always seems to relate to a part of me. I think all musicians need an aspect of experimentation, you know, to have at least a little independence away from the fans, and though that to under stand every part of there heart, even the satanic sides.

-S.S.

P.S. Jean Genet is part of my vast collection of heroes.
 
Posted by Kyle on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:43 AM
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ryan

 
i like genet, burroughs, and kerouac, and i agree with what you're saying. good work.

- Ryan
 
Posted by ryan on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:43 AM
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Emanuel is all about new tricks

 
I agree a lot with this. I'm very interested in the new album. You've been changing and morphing since your first album, so I'd love to see where of Montreal was headed next. One of the most appealing things about oM is that its full of surprises.

Go go go for it
 
Posted by Emanuel is all about new tricks on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:44 AM
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chancie
James Jackson

 
bring on the drunk unc.
 
Posted by chancie on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:44 AM
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Thomas

 
(ice age coming, ice age coming)

do what you feel.

if people don't like it, they can always revisit your back catalog.

(you wrote a song about masturbation, didn't you)?

ha.
 
Posted by Thomas on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:45 AM
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theghostchild
theghostchild py

 
Of course you're right.
Anyone who feels the need to express his "dark" side is fine by me. I'd rather be shaken and whipped by the artists i love than kissed.
 
Posted by theghostchild on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:45 AM
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Jillian

 
I am so glad to hear about this new direction. I've been waiting for the drunken uncles to crash the party and terrorize the mother-in-laws and sweet, lil' cousins. It's the dark, the primal, the twisted, the unbelievably inappropriate that should take hold of the spotlight in rock music, especially indie rock music. I've never been under the impression that rock music was about painting pretty pictures, but the current state of indie music is filled with Bob Ross's daintily strumming and crooning. As for French writers, I've always preferred Zola to Genet, just a personal preference. But Zola wasn't afraid of the terrifying and the ugly, either. And he knew that it was reality. Like those hip hop thugs, he was keeping it real. And thank you for keeping it real, as well. I look forward to hearing the new work.
 
Posted by Jillian on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:46 AM
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Slorp Lethargone
Slorp Lethargene

 
Let's get ugly!

Harnk
 
Posted by Slorp Lethargone on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:46 AM
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Sofa City Sweetheart

 
bring on uncle dick!
 
Posted by Sofa City Sweetheart on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:47 AM
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Deleted Scenes

 
Can't wait!
 
Posted by Deleted Scenes on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:47 AM
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Lesbian Afternoon

 
sweet jesus my grandma's panties are edible and boldly sipping whiskey to your discography
 
Posted by Lesbian Afternoon on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:47 AM
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Svenja
Sarah Neiles

 
hell yeah. Thats all I can say. Hell yeah.
 
Posted by Svenja on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 1:48 AM
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Lenn9o9n (charleston)

 
i have a hard time matching your honesty musically because it terrifies me...listening to 'icons' hurts...like a life i've never lived and never hope to but can't get out of my brain...i really don't know what you're going through, and how you've gone this far, but i see you in the streets, i hear your words in my head, i know how much love you have running through your veins, and i hope you at least feel that...your decision to be honest and to share it....how much more you're connecting w/ an unseen kid w/ a pair of headphones and another world to live in...and i love you for it

i expected this to be it for of montreal....but i know better...because this is the outlet you feel more than any other in your life
 
Posted by Lenn9o9n (charleston) on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 4:08 PM
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Laurel

 
I wish you were my drunk uncle.
but really, do what you need, so you can produce melodies that make my ears go wild.
I will not leave you!
 
Posted by Laurel on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 4:10 PM
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JoKa

 
in the most lovingly way possible, i say just shut up and do it.
 
Posted by JoKa on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 4:16 PM
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P.

 
Michael Stipe once said that you should never confuse the singer with the song, namely because many musicians are essentially telling a story or acting out a role when they write or perform. However, a lot of songwriters do pen stuff that's autobiographical in nature; John Lennon (on his solo work) springs immediately to mind. You also write a lot of stuff that seems autobiographical in nature, although I have to assume some of the details were added just for fun (did you actually meet Gary Glitter? If so, was he as creepy as he seems on TV?) and some songs were penned in jest (c'mon, you didn't REALLY molest an old lady's corpse, did you?).

Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about losing fans or even bad critical reception. You've done well enough so far that I wouldn't worry about missteps. If you feel like playing the "drunken uncle" role this time around, go for it. Even if it doesn't work out or if it sounds awful, you'll figure out what went wrong and do better next time.
 
Posted by P. on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 4:18 PM
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Genevieve

 
This criminality thing is interesting...I recently saw two different museum exhibits which featured Genet's film "Un Chant d'amour" and couldn't help wondering what Genet would have thought of his work being shown in museums. What was shocking in 1950 seems to have been digested over time and deemed palatable, but maybe it's ultimately this digestion process that's the most interesting aspect of it all: what happens to a work of art when it's put out into the world, how it affects culture or ideas of normalcy, how it is recontextualized and used for good or evil or whatever's in between. Or maybe curators just love masturbation scenes...
 
Posted by Genevieve on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 4:19 PM
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LAUREN

 
I can't wait to hear all about your horrible, despicable, terrifying consciousness... your music is so cerebral; I love it!
 
Posted by LAUREN on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 4:19 PM
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Joel

 
I find perfection less attractive as it seems less and less attainable.
At times I prefer a malformed melody or a babys tantrum over the babys laughter,
because I relate to it,and it relates to the ugly situation of the world.
Innocence in turmoil.
I think the world is going through it's terrible twos...thousands.
It's like,if you don't let the monster out,you become the monster...and a bunch of other awful sayings I could probably come up with.

Keep exploring! :)
 
Posted by Joel on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 6:37 PM
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Brianamo
brian langan

 
i agree and am VERY excited to hear the new stuff! I'll see you in Philly!!
 
Posted by Brianamo on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 1:10 AM
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Jennaynay Lewis

 
The funny thing is,in hip-hop at least, writers are already doing just that. But the difference is, they are portraying themselves in an ugly way unintentionally. They don't realize that bragging about how much money you make and how much pussy you get and how many people you have killed is not endearing. Maybe they do realize it and they just don't give a fuck. They want to brag cause it feels good to brag.

Plus, you have to remember in rap that shit is kinda expected. Its fanbase (well, most) expects to hear about fuckin' hoes, slingin' yayo, cappin' niggas, etc. Its why they listen to it. Well, that and tight ass beats.

A lot of the people I've played the new songs for have been confused.

Can I dance to it?
Will it be something I can randomly start singing while standing in the tampon aisle at my local grocery story?
Will it be completely unexpected and like WHOA?
Hell yes? Okay. Let's do this.
 
Posted by Jennaynay Lewis on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:28 PM
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Melissa
Melissa Balick

 
Oh yes, I definitely agree that music about the dark and undesirable aspects of one's own personality is some of the most interesting by far. Like when Elliott Smith talks about skipping out on his friends to get drugs in "Looking Over My Shoulder" or when Stuart Murdoch of Belle and Sebastian tells us all about how he doesn't love anyone, or when Leslie Gore brags about how it's Judy's turn to cry, or when Kurt Cobain says that he's so ugly he broke a mirror (but so did we, apparently), or when Elvis Costello says that he doesn't want to be your lover, he just wants to be your victim (AND, he keeps thinking about your mother -- ewww), or when Liz Phair says that she'll have to take our word that she's not worth talking to, or, hell, when Amy Winehouse refuses to go to rehab. That is some of the best stuff -- the best.
 
Posted by Melissa on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:29 PM
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Christina *Hot Rod* DE GQ

 
Let it flow like a cobra's hiss.
 
Posted by Christina *Hot Rod* DE GQ on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:30 PM
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Eric Wilson
Eric Wilson

 
What a great read. I think it's great that an artist of your stature still questions these things, when you could, really, do almost anything and we'd all still love you for it...or at least praise you.

patiently waiting for the St. Louise show in Nov...!
 
Posted by Eric Wilson on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 5:25 AM
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arctic
andrew ehmann

 
the indie rock world is too polite and likable and I feel it needs the drunken uncle to show up, uninvited, to the birthday party and vomit on the couch.

This is why I adore every sliver of music you put out. You're not mindless
 
Posted by arctic on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 5:25 AM
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arctic
andrew ehmann

 
the indie rock world is too polite and likable and I feel it needs the drunken uncle to show up, uninvited, to the birthday party and vomit on the couch

this is why I adore every sliver of music you put out. You're not mindless
 
Posted by arctic on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 5:26 AM
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Good Looking Asian Teenager

 
Yes! Let's hear some gritty, nasty music! Let's talk about hating certain animals without reason, or frying ants with magnifying glasses, or (gasp) paying for sex!
 
Posted by Good Looking Asian Teenager on Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 6:38 PM
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The Sharkicorns (Are Dead)

 
Yes. That's all I have to say, fuck yes. Right on.
 
Posted by The Sharkicorns (Are Dead) on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 4:25 PM
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Trent

 
I really think it is bad from a personal artistic view to really even put other peoples perspectives into your own. I realize though, it must be difficult making a record with little to no regard to what people might like or dislike as the record label would truly want people to embrace it. I, for one, am looking forward eagerly to your next release.
 
Posted by Trent on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 5:43 AM
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Shaun

 
As an artist you can only attempt to inspire, just like Jean Genet showed you a new perspective in an unconvetional yet positive light, theres no forceable way to make someone want to steal your fire or emulate it if they arent attracted to it.. it needs to be desirable like the fire was to prometheus if it was crap he wouldnt have wanted it in the first place...anyway i hope you can do justice to your inspiration and romanticize yourself dealing with internal issues which more often than not are mistakenly put on hold or left unaddressed so that easier external issues can be toyed with to give the feeling of importance yet left hollow like glazed donut. To be honest this is the first i've read your prose or creative writing or essay what ever you'd like to call it and your writing is open and great..
 
Posted by Shaun on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 7:30 PM
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