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Gender: Male
Status: Single
Age: 37
Sign: Aries

City: Hollywood
Country: US
Signup Date: 6/15/2005
Monday, July 07, 2008 

Current mood:  thankful
Hey Everyone,

I unplugged for a few weeks to write, and when I went back on line I saw all kinds of stories about various projects, and girls, I'm apparently attached to. There are many, many things I could talk about, and I will at some point, but there was one story in particular I felt was important for movie fans around the world to be aware of, especially on 4th of July weekend.

On June 10th, this year, Germany passed new, stricter censorship laws, banning movies they deem too violent. Hostel 2 had been censored in Germany during its theatrical release (the censors felt the comical scene of kids playing soccer with head at the end was too violent) so the horror fans there felt cheated, and were waiting for the unrated DVD. The German fans have always been incredibly supportive of me, and it was very frustrating for all of us that even the R rated version of Hostel 2 could not be seen. On June 10th, 2008, the uncut DVD was officially listed as illegal in Germany. I got several reports from fans of police in Munich raiding video stores and pulling the DVD off the shelves. This is disturbing on many levels. When a government censors any creative work like this, it sends a very dangerous message that the violence in these movies is real. We're talking about a DVD - where you not only can hear me explaining how we did every kill in the film, but you can then watch a behind-the-scenes special showing us applying the make up to the actors during the scene. But what's really dangerous is that this is the beginning of the end of free expression for any artist who wants to make a film in Germany, or show their work there. Once the government starts with the horror movies, who's next? Someone's deciding what is decent and what is not, and politicians never stick up for violent work, because that makes them look like they are publicly endorsing actual violence. Will they also ban Pasolini's anti-facism masterpiece "Salo?" Will they start censoring paintings they deem too violent? Will they ban the work of Cormack McCarthy - our most celebrated author - because it's too violent? What about those amazing German DVD labels (who I don't want to mention here so as not to raise any red flags) who put out those rare Italian films from the 70's that I can't find anywhere else? And most importantly, what about the fans, who now risk going to jail simply for purchasing a DVD - something everyone else in the world (except New Zealand and Singapore, where I was also banned) can watch?

I hear people complain about the MPAA all the time, and I just wish they could be in my shoes for a day. The MPAA is not a government organization, they are an organization hired by the studios to self-police. They actually listen to you - you can have a discussion with them - and they work with you to protect the integrity of your film within the boundaries of a rating we all created specifically to avoid government interference. We can thank the MPAA for allowing us to have all the horror movies we have today in cinemas - they are our allies. And even if your film gets trimmed your film has an afterlife on the unrated Blu Ray. But in Germany the fans are not so lucky anymore. They are censored by their government, and the police will arrest you for buying or selling a DVD they feel is too dangerous for the public to see. I know that every culture is different, and that what we find acceptable in the United States is unacceptable in other cultures. I am not surprised, for example, when my films are not released in Saudi Arabia. I also am highly aware of the German sensitivity to violence, given their history. And it is no secret there are numerous references to the holocaust in both "Hostel" films (bodies being incinerated at a factory of death, the torturer speaking German, Paxton speaking German to show he speaks the same language as his torturer, etc.) so perhaps the censorship is a little personal. But I have always said my films do not inspire violence, but rather discussions about violence, and I suppose if that comes from this then my objective has been achieved. I went to Germany for all of my films and had an amazing time with the fans as well as the journalists - they were all really cool, and really got it. But I do feel these politicians completely missed the point of both films and are treating them as if I truly killed people, when it in fact this act of censorship is far more dangerous than anything I could ever do in a movie. The movie's pretend, but this, unfortunately, is very real.

I hope that bloggers pick up on this story, not for the sake of Hostel 2 (which has been out for a year there) but simply so that horror fans around the world can be aware of how lucky they have it. I even posted a blog where a recent study at UC San Diego and UC Berkeley showed that violent movies reduce violent crime, but no one seemed to care and nobody wrote about this amazing new study that supports all of us. Does this new censorship law send the message to young people that the most horrific events in history were caused by movies? And that by somehow banning violent movies they're preventing violence?

If people want to interview me about any other new projects, I will be most inclined to talk with the journalists who discuss these new censorship laws. I know we're not going to change the German government's mind by blogging, but I do think that it's important that fans know what's going on there. Many German horror fans have written me, and as they have supported me now through three violent horror films, all I can do is speak up on their behalf. I hope you all had a great holiday, and whatever you decide to watch this weekend, think of the fans around the world who are not as fortunate to have the freedom we do in the U.S. Hopefully one day that will change.

Here's a photo from my press tour in Berlin last June. Here's where we did the interviews for Hostel 2...

The German poster

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CAPTAIN CATASTROPHY™

 
"Versuche nicht zu kotsen" haha, that for real??
 
Posted by CAPTAIN CATASTROPHY™ on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 10:44 PM
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Amy

 
can we get married now?
 
Posted by Amy on Monday, August 25, 2008 - 9:50 PM
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Kerry

 
That makes me glad I live in America. I have been to horror conventions and have a lot of friends who are horror fanatics. They are some of the nicest people I have ever met, and (for the most part) have a healthy boundry between fiction and non-fiction. I guess there would be the thing people should be worried about. Knowing when the boundry between fantasy and reality has been breached.
 
Posted by Kerry on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 10:49 PM
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J♥SH BAYLES
Josh Bayles

 
What a fag you are "Jason". Please blow your brains out K?

P.S. Don't ever under estimate the power of the internet. Now suck dicks in hell!
 
Posted by J♥SH BAYLES on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 7:53 PM
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dis comment comming from a guy who's chick is a gook cum on people do we really give a shit what he thinks!!!!!!
 
Posted by on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 8:14 PM
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Agent of Chaos
Jakob Bohannon

 
I wanna jump on and make fun of the Christ boy, Dang Jason you dont like the Hostel movies. I guess they couldnt be as good as Dare Devil or Monster Squad. Dude what a tool, why dont you go watch a crappy Uwe Boll film and shut the hell up little girl.
 
Posted by Agent of Chaos on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 7:10 PM
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STRega
STrega Manson

 
Then what the hell are you doing here, jagoff?
 
Posted by STRega on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 2:00 PM
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Kung Fu Zombie

 
Maybe he was referring to Hostel 2?? HAHAHA...Just kidding Eli!!!! Sadly, we went to a VERY bad theater to see it, you know the ones? The MALL kind? The heater was turned on FULL blast and the sound turned all the way down!! Anyways...What exaclty is.."deemed to violent?" Isn't Germany responsible for the directors of the Necromantic series? I guess its ok for people to eat shit, but as soon as someone is covered in blood, well, that is just too much...
 
Posted by Kung Fu Zombie on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:08 AM
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Kung Fu Zombie

 
Maybe he was referring to Hostel 2?? HAHAHA...Just kidding Eli!!!! Sadly, we went to a VERY bad theater to see it, you know the ones? The MALL kind? The heater was turned on FULL blast and the sound turned all the way down!! Anyways...What exaclty is.."deemed to violent?" Isn't Germany responsible for the directors of the Necromantic series? I guess its ok for people to eat shit, but as soon as someone is covered in blood, well, that is just too much...
 
Posted by Kung Fu Zombie on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:07 AM
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Dr. Butcher

 
Speaking of flawed thinking . . . hey Jason, why would you request to be someone's friend just so you could post something insulting about them? Then if someone goes to your page, they see part of it's a love letter to Jesus Christ but elsewhere you're talking about workers at Best Buy being a bunch of "fags." You're setting a wonderful example, and of course you're doing a lot for the horror scene by taking shots at people who've actually done something besides go to a convention.

FYI, there shouldn't be a "u" in exalted where you put "Jesus was exaulted." You were wrong about that, too.
 
Posted by Dr. Butcher on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:15 PM
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Dr. Butcher

 
This is extremely unfortunate that you succeeded in a medium that allows you to communicate your ideas globally, but not without someone passing judgment on its content and censoring it.

I had something of a lifelong grudge against the MPAA because so much of the horror I saw growing up was obviously weakened to pass their guidelines. That was before DVDs, so I remember not having an "uncut" option very well, and it was frustrating to see the pictures in Fangoria or read the interviews about certain scenes, but not get to see them in the actual films. But the MPAA really lightened up this decade, and it's been awesome to see what can pass in an R-rated film, as the Hostel films and the Saw movies keep presenting graphic as hell images that NEVER could have been in an R rated film even 10 years ago. These days, there's really no point getting excited about an "uncut" print of a film on DVD in the sense that you're probably not going to see any new carnage. Most of it is actually right there in the theater. Not coincidentally, horror has finally been exciting again after the comparable drought in the '90's.

Hitler's head being torn off the statue in Berlin suggests a very extreme reaction to anything provocative. Does that really benefit anyone? It speaks more toward repressing history than addressing it. The censoring of Hostel: Part II couldn't be beneficial either, particularly if it can prompt discussions about the value of human life, exploitation, and violence. That someone would even think for a minute that people were really killed in the movie only demonstrates what a flawed solution such censorship is.

In continuing the theme of violence, nice dissection of the trailer of The Birds.

Ryan
 
Posted by Dr. Butcher on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:01 PM
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Kung Fu Bella

 
Thanks for that link to the Violence Study. Very cool stuff. Cheers!
 
Posted by Kung Fu Bella on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:07 PM
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That is crazy thinking that the killings are for real ... I swear!
I wonder if they ever heard NO IMAGINATION NO HORROR MOVIES!!
That just makes me thankful I live in the US ...
 
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SATAN-0-PHONIC

 
when they start banning your work and other horror films or any film containing violence other forms of art can't be far behind.what's disturbing is that some people will think it's justifiably needed.It's happening in England now with new legistlation.somehow,I suspect that the US will follow suit but it remains to be seen if it'll pass here.
 
Posted by SATAN-0-PHONIC on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:13 PM
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elahrairah
david s gauthier

 
yeah i dig it. thats fucked up. thanx for the heads up.
 
Posted by elahrairah on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:24 PM
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Megan Whitney

 
Wow...it's awful to think that there are actually people who can be so closed minded to other peoples' work that they can force an entire country to do without it. I guess I've never really thought about how fortunate I am to get to drive down the street to the movie theater and see whatever movie I choose, and if scenes have been cut for a lighter rating, I always know that I'll get to see a film in it's entirety following the DVD release. That seriously sucks. Hopefully eventually something can be done so that German horror fans can see the awesome movies that they deserve.

P.S. Eli, you're fucking awesome. <3
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Posted by Megan Whitney on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:25 PM
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Jose
Jose Ortiz

 
Thanks for sharing this sad news. It is quite sad that in these times, a government can actually do this sort of thing. I certainly hope for all our sake that this madness does not spread and cross over. Your art is incredible and should not be censored. It's not as though you are peddling kiddy porn or are making actual snuff films. Keep fighting the good fight Eli. We are here for you to the end.
 
Posted by Jose on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:27 PM
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Jose
Jose Ortiz

 
Thank you for sharing the bad news with us. It is quite sad that in these times, a government can actually do something like this. Doesn't this German government action remind anyone of another German government's actions in 1936? I hope this virus can be contained and not be allowed to infect other countries turning their politicians into uninformed imbeciles also. Your art is incredible and should not be censored in any capacity. It is not as though you are peddling kiddie porn or actual snuff films. Can't they distinguish between snuff and art? We sure can. Keep on fighting Eli. We are with you to the end!
 
Posted by Jose on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:39 PM
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Axelle Carolyn

 
The Germans have been using censorship for, like, ever. Remember Jorg Buttgereit...

Shame about Hostel II though.
 
Posted by Axelle Carolyn on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:41 PM
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Courtney Love

 
FUCK YEAH I LIKE IT UNCUT!
Eli Roth u are amazing
 
Posted by Courtney Love on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:51 PM
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Antonella Fulci

 
great post. I hope they won't burn their Jorg Buttgereit (Nekromantik 1, 2 and more) as heretic, one of these days... xoxoxox
 
Posted by antonella fulci on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 11:56 PM
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Taem Jones
Taem Jones

 
I would want to know if Eli would get mad if someone from America, copied a Hostel Part II DVD for a German and send it to him/her as a gift to love and enjoy it's beauty.

But in the copied DVD, an additional (one frame) white flash could be added after the credits of the film so it technically isn't considered an exact copy...?

I think a German should have just as much, if not more right to see Hostel Part II as a <i>silly American</i>
 
Posted by Taem Jones on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:07 AM
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Angela Banevicius Porambo
Angie Porambo

 
Wow, reading that has my mind spinning in so many directions. I was in Germany 2 years ago and there was a horror fest at a cinema by my friend's flat and I didn't have time to stop by and check out. Makes me wish that I did, just to see the censorship in action.

But yet, on almost every corner of the Reeperbahn (In St Pauli) was a sex shop or a video shop. I was solicited by more than a few prostitutes (all good looking mind you) on my trek from pub to pub. It was quite striking to me. (Not that I found it offensive in any way, because I was amused by it all).

I bet these folks who condemn horror films over there are Catholics. I bet they also read the Bible: one of the most violence and sex-ridden (including incest lol) books ever written.

Maybe sex is okay but violence is not? I don’t know, but it’s a theory.

Maybe the people complaining are the ones that we should really worry about. They’ve got the problem controlling their own sordid minds, not the rest of us who enjoy a bit of gore.

Censorship is for weak minds that cannot grasp reality. That’s my rant.

Cheers, bro.
 
Posted by Angela Banevicius Porambo on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:21 AM
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Ehren E.

 
Wow, that's really sad Eli. I can only imagine being in a video store and having Police burst in to confiscate works of art that have been deemed "unfit" for consumption by the public. Too Farenheit 451 to think about for too long...

I hope you had a great 4th dude... I'm glad folks like you are still pushing the bondaries and fighting the good fight... Take care...


Ehren
 
Posted by Ehren E. on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:22 AM
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Aleksa
Staci Alexander

 
Better watch out; next they'll be sending the Thought Police after you....
 
Posted by Aleksa on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:23 AM
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Aleksa
Staci Alexander

 
Better watch out; next they'll be sending the Thought Police after you....
 
Posted by Aleksa on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:23 AM
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kid
helen mahar

 
I live in Australia, and I think everyone just forgets about us, hah. But this blog makes me really glad that we don't have those crazy censorship laws.
I'm sorry they banned your film. I really think your movies (Cabin Fever as well) promote the idea of anti-violence, and encourage discussions about what makes the human mind commit violent crimes.

The close of up the bird that Hitchcock is eating reminds me of the Thanksgiving turkey. =]
 
Posted by kid on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:26 AM
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Damion
Damion schiralli

 
I agree that this law is unfair and seems just too manipulative to slide anywhere. The fact that it been has passed in Germany seems a bit odd though. They're no longer under any sort fascist government and due to things I see here in German music and films that I see here in America don't seem to be highly censored. If a democratic republic can pull this off, I'm scared that this law can start a trend of similar laws in other countries.

And you even mentined that Hostel 2 has been out in Germany for a year, along with many others that have been out for much longer. So we know that if a person in Germany wants to see Hostel 2, they will. Over a year, enough people would have picked up a copy and would be perfectly willing to share and burn copies with friends. And it's not like getting copies of films banned in germany is going to be hard to do. Do they actually expect people to obey this law. We all saw what happened with prohibition, and I will argue that alcohol leads to many more crimes than horror films have, or ever will.

I think it's just sad that government officials(highly respected induviduals who should be highly intelligent) can not see the difference between real life and movies.
 
Posted by Damion on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:26 AM
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kyle

 
just keep pumping out sick twisted shit and keep us horror fans who are able to watch them happy, and jason you need to move over to germany.......
 
Posted by kyle on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 12:47 AM
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Dani

 
Hey, i live in germany and i like horror. what you just wrote is so true, but its just the tip of the iceberg, really :(
 
Posted by Dani on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 1:02 AM
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The Hoyk
Marc Edward Heuck

 
Your mention of SALO reminds me of when I was still living in Ohio, the Cincinnati vice squad, who had previously prosecuted a respected museum that was exhibiting Robert Mapplethorpe works raided a small indie bookstore that was selling SALO on VHS, on charges of pandering obscenity. There was a huge court case, where the defense was able to get affadavits from Scorsese and other filmmakers on the artistic merit of the film, that it was not pornography, and I think the bookstore won the case, but by the end, they lost so much money from the court costs they had to shut down anyway.
Also, a few years back, just out of fear that the vice squad *might* come down on them, a local theatre physically cut scenes from Wayne Wang's THE CENTER OF THE WORLD when it played their theatre. When a local critic called them out on it, the theatre banned him for life.

In small pockets of America, we are dangerously close to what is going on in Germany.
 
Posted by The Hoyk on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 1:35 AM
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Eli Roth
Eli Roth

 
Which is why we must bring them Lupines.
 
Posted by Eli Roth on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 2:32 AM
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The Hoyk
Marc Edward Heuck

 
Speaking of Dennis Moore, do you know anyone with photos of me from the party? I need them for my father, and since he already has access to lupins I must oblige him. So far, all I found was one image after my grotto swim, not an ideal representation.
 
Posted by The Hoyk on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 1:31 PM
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Jason
Jason Cates

 
That is quite bothersome. Thanks for posting this.
 
Posted by Jason on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 2:43 AM
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Chris Burton
Chris Burton

 
Wow, that sucks for the horror fans in Germany, I'm very happy that I'm able to watch horror films.
 
Posted by Chris Burton on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 3:25 AM
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Kelli Maroney
Kelli Maroney

 
Heh-heh..you said "trim.."...that was cool..Sorry, I'm delirious.
Seriously, horror fans are the sweetest most openhearted people I have ever met.
 
Posted by Kelli Maroney on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 3:17 AM
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GrEeN-EyE

 
Great post, Eli. Too bad about what's happening in Germany. Very unfortunate. I've said it countless times before that blaming violence on movies is absolutely absurd! If it's not movies then what else are they gonna blame? Sorry to hear about Hostel 2 being yanked. At least we can still get it here and not be arrested for it. It makes me glad to be in the U.S.>>>.Oh! and good luck with everything. Have a great summer!
 
Posted by GrEeN-EyE on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 3:20 AM
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And then I OWNED him...

 
Government censorship IS the end all of poor judgment. I mean...everything you've said in this post falls completely in accordance with things I've been saying for years. As a filmmaker and a fan this just disgusts me...and it just seems that there is an entire group of people who willingly misjudge the horror genre... people who almost want the be able to create this hostile environment and censor as a means to cover up their ignorance... I don't understand why it happens. Some people like to be able to blame Horror films for the bad things that happen in society. It's like Cannibal Holocaust all over again.... I thought that people were finally starting to legitimize the Horror genre...but, now it seems that almost 30 years of filmmaking and educating about the true nature of both horror movies and their audiences are thrown back in our faces (both the filmmakers and the fans). I mean...come on! How long can people scapegoat their inadequacies and their discomforts on horror films. I feel your pain, Eli. Looks like it's still gonna be a long battle before the world understands this genre...
 
Posted by And then I OWNED him... on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 4:29 AM
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LeeAnne
LeeAnne Winter

 
Just when i'm thinking that America is too uptight again something happens and reminds me again that I am glad to be here. When will people realize that films, tv, etc..do not cause violence or create violence. Where were the movies to cause the violence in the past ohhhhhhh 10,000 years. Its really sad...everyone should be able to see it the right way. I don't know what I would do without horror films. There are so many horrible things going on in the world (not that there wasn't always we just hear about them more thanks to tv and the internet) that make my stomach turn and make me want to cry. For me watching the violence in film is my way of dealing with that violence in the world. I hope that these ideas do not spread too far. You would think the world would be trying to take steps forward........
 
Posted by LeeAnne on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 4:48 AM
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matt
matt kordelski

 
We Americans can complain about over government but we've got it pretty good

I heard a story about a Canadian comedy club being prosecuted because ONE woman was offended by a comic.

Then again... :

I dont think out government believes in Freedom of expression so much as they'll let us have all the possible distractions to keep us from observing and questioning their actions.

We have the freedom to be distracted.
 
Posted by matt on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 5:10 AM
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Ms X

 
That's too bad, because I think of Hostel 2 as more psychological thriller with gore than simply a violent horror film..it's intelligent and suspenseful, well acted, sophisticated...If they just edited it the way BlockBuster does its movies, there would be no problem. They released 8mm without the murder scene of the girl, which undermined the total impact of the film...It's almost comical, the editing done by them..I'd love to make a dvd of all the scenes deleted by blockbuster from all their horror films and just loop them together...
 
Posted by Ms X on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 5:30 AM
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Ms X

 
So this is in..of all countries..Germany??!! This is Germany, which birthed the Nazis, whose actions basically make Hostel look like a fairy tale with their horrific acts of sadism, violence and death? I don't think it gets more horrific than Nazi Germany. Somebody needs to tell them it's not possible for the country to do 'damage control' through censorship of depicted violence..
 
Posted by Ms X on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 5:41 AM
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Dr Blood

 
To use your own quote against you, "Sorry to make fun, but the comment is just too ridiculous.."

You want to equate Nazi Germany with the modern day Germany? How about we all equate butchering of thousands of Native Americans with the modern day U.S.?

Actually most of Europe already laughs at the two-faced hypocrisy of the United States but well done for continuing the ethnocentric misinformed bigotry that Eli himself started, presumably as a joke, in the first Hostel.
 
Posted by Dr Blood on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 6:12 AM
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Ms X

 
ps. Where EXACTLY is the 'misinformed' part of my statement about Nazi Germany? Sorry but Nazi Germany wasn't just a 'fringe group'..The whole country participated.. you want to talk about misinformed? What about the 'innocent' citizens of Germany who asked no quested and just did as they were told, indirectly responsible for killing millions of people? Are you one of those who think the camps didn't really exist?

I'm not saying that the succeeding Germans should be held responsible for what their relatives did. That would be wrong. But my point is, the culture itself was capable of horrific acts.

I think you missed the point in Eli's films, he was making more of a statement about class-ism and CAPITALISM, and how it's destroyed parts of Europe, mainly by the Americans who travel to these areas and profit off of the weakened state of politically ravaged, empoverished cities and their citizens (not to mention the moral or ethical boundaries humans will cross for money).

Are you aware of the millions of young girls in parts of India and Asia who are dying from Aids because of wealthy AMERICAN (some European) men traveling there for purchased sex? And in the case with Hostel's inspiration, most of the men traveling to the supposed country that charged money for the killing of young girls by gun shot to the head were mainly American. This is not ethnocentric misinformation but a fact..
 
Posted by Ms X on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 4:38 PM
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Ms X

 
Note: When I say 'supposed country that charged money for the killing of young girls by gun shot to the head' I didn't mean the country itself did this, but was referring to the demographic in which this small group of criminals who engaged in these activities lived..
 
Posted by Ms X on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 4:43 PM
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Ms X

 
wow, touchy! Why so defensive? Honestly, being I live in California I have MANY Native American friends so believe me, I am aware of the atrocities of what the US did to the Indians, and have always been, ashamed to be an American. Americans are uncultured and generally stupid as a whole, so I'm also well aware of how more cultured countries look at us..

But most importantly, a country cannot escape its past. Look at the fury over the Hitler effigy in the German history museum..

Don't undermine my intelligence please..I haven't looked at your profile yet, but I'm guessing your elitist presumptions about me may be because you're younger than I am? Don't tell me I don't 'get' Roth's films. If I didn't I wouldn't be on here..
 
Posted by Ms X on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 4:12 PM
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Dr Blood

 
I'm not sure if a comment from someone else was deleted in the midst of this but it's obvious that you are the touchy one because you just had to post three replies to my comment only to prove my point and agree with me.

And yes, if your reply was to me, then I am younger than your "100 years old" on your profile. I don't think anyone here is as old as that. :) I don't have any "elitist presumptions" about you because I couldn't care less about you one way or the other.

Saying that all of Germany was in support of the Nazi regime is as ridiculous as saying that all of America supported George Bush or that the UK thought that Tony Blair was a great Prime Minister. Obviously a majority was in support none of these people would have been in a position of power in the first place and I'm pretty sure that Hitler rallies certainly struck a chord with the masses. That's just the point of propaganda. People en masse are gullible and if they hear things enough then they start to believe them.

If it wasn't for propaganda, hype and promotion then I don't think most horror fans would have heard of or watched any of Eli's films in the first place either. You can draw your own conclusions from that as all analogies are flawed.
 
Posted by Dr Blood on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 7:35 PM
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Ms X

 
I shouldn't crap up Eli's blog with so many posts but I just had to respond.. unfortunately your continued elitist presumptions yet again leave me bewildered. Did you actually feel that your little lecture about blanket statements regarding a political regime's popularity is something I'm not aware of? Wow, I thought ALL Americans supported Bush, isn't that how democracy works?

Also Eli's fans aren't idiots, most people heard about it via word of mouth because it's ..good work..if you're a real fan that is. If you only find out about films through promotional avenues like magazines or radio shows, than well..you're kind of a nerd..generally speaking.
 
Posted by Ms X on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 6:44 AM
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Death Dealer

 
This is bull shit didn't they learn anything from WWII what's next round up all the horor fans and put them in camps and tattoo numbers on there arm
 
Posted by Death Dealer on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 5:46 AM
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Ms X

 
Omg, this will be the topic for the next discussion panel regarding the holocaust survivors..."if they or the world for that matter, learned 'anything' from our suffering in WW 2, it's to save censorship laws from being implemented.." yeah, forget mass genocide and human suffering! It's about us enjoying horror films! Sorry to make fun, but the comment is just too ridiculous..
 
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