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Sexe : Male
Statut : Célibataire
Age : 34
Ville : San Francisco
Région : California
Pays: US
Date d’inscription :: 25/07/2007

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août 9, 2007 - jeudi 
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Often times I peruse the American Family Association's "news" site to keep an eye on what that group is spouting on any particular day (and, well, some of the stuff they obsess over is hilarious).  Today, they have a "news story" about how a Congressman from Idaho just doesn't think the Founding Fathers would have approved of a Hindu cleric giving a non-sectarian prayer before the Senate, and certainly would not approve of the voters electing a Muslim to Congress.

"We have not only a Hindu prayer being offered in the Senate, we have a Muslim member of the House of Representatives now, Keith Ellison from Minnesota. Those are changes -- and they are not what was envisioned by the Founding Fathers," claims Rep. Bill Sali (R-Idaho).  Oh really Congressman? I wonder what the Founders said about this when they wrote the Constitution?  Well, lets look, shall we?

Article One, Section Two of the Constitution states, "No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen."  Wait a sec.  Those damn Founders left out the part that was supposed to read, "Also, no one can be elected if Bill Sali doesn't like what they think."  Damn, that really sucks for Congressman Sali, as its gonna be hard for him to get that amendment though.

It is truly scary when people get elected who don't have the slightest clue about the Constitution or the details of its creation.  If Rep. Sali would be so kind as to take a minute out of his crusade to make American into the world's next fundamentalist theocracy he might find that America wasn't founded by not only Christians, but Deists, Agnostics and Atheists.  Had he done his research, Mr. Sali would have, most definitely, come across the following little tidbits:

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." - Ben Franklin

"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." - President John Adams in the Treaty of Triploi

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." - President Thomas Jefferson

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of liberty of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries." - President James Madison

Well, damn, I'm sorry, Bill, but it appears that you just might be an idiot.  Maybe that's why the First Amendment separates religion and government.  Next time brush up on history before spewing your bigotry.  Of course, I'm sure you won't so long as the "fact-checkers" at One News Now are doing such a stellar job...
Mel

 
Love your opinion, your quotes and your writing! Yay! This is the first blog I have read that I have enjoyed and thoroughly agreed with. Keep up the great work!
 
Publié par Mel le août 23, 2007 - jeudi - 4:34
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ASTROCHRONIC

 
You are right that America is not a theocracy. But it was founded on Theism and all our principles stem from that. So this IS a Theistic Nation. Even though the Law is secular it is still based on the foundation of Theism. Theism, or the belief in a higher power, is the keystone for everything America stands for. The separation of Church and State that Jefferson spoke of was supposed to prevent legislation from doing things like outlawing prayer in school not the other way around.

None of that has one iota of anything to do with Christianity. But since other peoples words mean so much to you maybe you should try this quote:

According to John Jay, the original Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court – and one of the three men most responsible for our Constitution: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty – as well as the privilege and interest – of our CHRISTIAN NATION to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." [I interpret this to mean the will of the people should be respected in accordance with our Judeo-Christian heritage, most simply distilled as Mono-Theism.]

Benjamin Rush, a signer of the Declaration of Independence and the first Founder to call for free public schools, stated: "The only foundation for a useful education is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments." [I interpret this to simply mean, education has no moral orientation without the intitial foundation of Faith first being instilled. Of course that ought to be the responsibility of the parents...]

John Quincy Adams stressed that Christian principles and the American civil government were tied together in what he called an "indissoluble bond".

So this just illustrate how meaningless it is to use other people words to make your point.
It also indicates how people who do, do so cause they refuse to think for themselves.

If you would like to read more abou this and I welcome any dissent and debate you should check out my blog:
The Significance of Faith.

Lots of pictures so it should be an easy read.
 
Publié par ASTROCHRONIC le août 24, 2007 - vendredi - 2:33
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Dauger

 
Ohhh!!! Pictures!!!

I'll read it and respond over there..
 
Publié par Dauger le août 24, 2007 - vendredi - 6:57
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