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Status: Single
City: New York
State: New York
Country: US
Signup Date: 9/5/2005
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 
(i wrote this as a response to a message from a respectful yet disgruntled smith fan, i thought i would post it for any who cared to read it though)


let me start by saying "stop me if you think you've heard this one before" (the original) is probably my favourite song of all time. i have been obsessed by it from the first time i heard it. i was late to discover The Smiths (partly due to the obsessive and covetous nature of my friends that were huge fans), so "strangeways here we come" was the first album of theirs that i bought and had for my own. i was blown away and while it played on my stereo speakers for the first time, my bedroom was transformed into the magical realm of morrissey and marr (and rourke and joyce, of course). at that age, guitar was my main instrument, and johnny marr's guitar arrangements were the most beautiful i had ever heard. the instrumental sections of "stop me if you think you've heard this one before" sounded like 15 angels armed with six-strings, twelve-strings and harpsichords and the way andy rourke's bassline danced in between him made me dizzy. THEN, when morrissey delivered some of the most vivid, brutal and devastating lyrics i had ever heard disguised in the most beautiful sung melody i had EVER heard, i was completely f**ked up (everyone has their own opinion on how ironic his intentions were, i don't pretend to know that).

anyway, skip ahead 8 years, i'm dj'ing in some of the most grimy (yet geniunely music-loving) hip-hop clubs in dowtown new york, and i try to widen my audience's horizons as much as i can get away with. i figure out ways to drop some of my favourite "not hip-hop" tracks into my sets without getting shot at. to sandwich a classic Clash tune between eric b and rakim and epmd is not easy. to try and play the smiths is even harder. on some nights, i could get away with playing "how soon is now?" with the run dmc "it's like that" instrumental underneath it and could feel the crowd become intoxicated with hearing this music for the first time. other nights, i would completely lose the crowd when trying to teach them something new (note that this is way before the "mash-up" era aswell, people were not as accustomed to juxtaposed genres). but much in the same way grandmaster flash and kool herc found ways to drop the Rolling Stones in the playgrounds of the South Bronx, i was obsessed with figuring out a way to drop these tunes that i loved and opening up the dancefloor to all good music.

last year, when i came up with the breakbeat-based cover of "just" (by radiohead) and played it out for the first time, i realised that all of the sudden hip-hop kids, baggie kids, indie kids, funk heads, etc... could all get down to this classic song instantly. so i started f**king around with more and more of these "versions", mainly because i enjoyed seeing people enjoy them, and, because Radiohead themselves validated my cover, i didn't feel in fear of disrespecting the original artists.

when i recorded the original demo of "stop me if you think you've heard this one before" with my friend (the singer) daniel merriweather, the first thing i did was send it to morrissey and marr immediately, before i put the strings on it or anything, i needed to know if they would be alright with it, basically like a kid showing his parents his finger painting for their approval. it took a long time to hear back from them, but when i found out that morrissey liked it and especially liked daniel's vocal, you can imagine how i felt (johnny marr approved it aswell, but i don't know his exact thoughts): the man who co-wrote my favourite song of all time gave blessing to this new interpretation.

i'll add, i can't understand the people who have a problem with the "r&b" interpretation. first off, rhythmn and blues gave birth to ALL other forms of contemporary music. more relatedly, morrissey and marr famously met for the first time (in morrissey's house) and bonded over their shared love of that music. and during the making of "strangeways...", every night they would listen to northern soul records before retiring to bed. "r&b" has become a dirty word nowadays, soiled by the cookie-cutter crap records that come out and because of the lack of love, musicianship and geniuneness that go into making them. i would like to think that the records that i make are trying to restore some sort of respect to the genre, albums like amy winehouse's "back to black" or nikka costa's "like a feather". "stop me..." is probably the most musically involved number i have ever been a part of, i even scrapped the entire first orchestra arrangement and recording because i felt it wasn't emotional enough for the song. there are 26 real humans playing on the song, the only thing not 100% live and real is the drum beat (but that needs to exist as the hip-hop element of the song).

i didn't have any inkling that this cover was going to get so big. when i started it, i didn't even have a record deal. anyway, now that it is, the grumblings have understandably surfaced. i understand many hold the original song to be sacred, to them i can only say ignore mine and enjoy the version that you always have. but remember your heroes esteem and condone this homage, and that an entire section of the population who never knew and would never know this song will now discover what you all have known for so long, that stephen patrick morrissey and johnny marr wrote some of the most beautiful songs that ever were.

this is not an apology but a way of showing respect for people who love the Smiths like i do

thank you
mark
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Randolph York

 
This is a very well thought out response. Amen.

I would have to credit Mark Ronson for opening up my ears to a lot of different types of music. I've always been into hip-hop, R&B since I was young, but increasingly, I was getting pretty bored of the mainstream scene. But in September 2003, and someone handed me Mark's "Get 'N" mixtape and immediately I was drawn into the different genres Mark was mixing together. I got into Prince, Rick James, Modest Mouse, Franz Ferdinand, etc. I definately credit Mark for helping me open up my musical tastes.

Truth is, nobody can 'listen to it all' and there's always a band that someone may know and love, and someone else will not know. And especially when you're young, its hard to fully grasp what is 'real' music versus mass-produced product. Taste in music is developed through time, with a combination of life experience added for good measure.

Mark's music and his cover versions have allowed me to expore different bands, genres, etc. I love reading the liner notes, and finding out where the samples were used, and try to find the original songs. I mean, up until a fe months ago, I didn't even know what "stax" was. His version of the song is more than a remix, a loop or a sample of a portion of the song. Its his interpretation of a classic.

Nobody bitches or moans when people like Diana Krall, Norah Jones and the like cover pop-vocal standards of the 50s. So why complain about this song? I supose a measure of that has to do with change. Its not easy to take something where people know every sound in the song and then to really change everything about it.

If this song is able to open up a few minds and expose those (like myself) who were oblivious to the smiths, then I think this song has served its purpose. It shines new light onto some classics that unfortunately do not get top 40 radio airplay in north america.

Everyone needs to lighten up an enjoy the effort that has gone into this song, it truly is its own classic. Can you imagine the potential this song has to expose more fans to the smiths?
 
Posted by Randolph York on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:28 AM
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Nettie - This is the year of KASABIAN

 
Amen brutha!
 
Posted by Nettie - This is the year of KASABIAN on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 2:48 PM
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Shola.

 
This has basically summed up the reason I love music. When I was growing up being a black female and liking Elton John and Roxy Music didn’t really bode well. But this isn’t a statement of apathy; I’d call it a fucking blessing. The fact that my so called friends did nothing with their lives apart from listen to the shit commercial music which was rammed down their throats just goes to show how hollow their lives are. Maybe their fulfilments are subsidiary bullshit gossip mags that they constantly look forward too. Back to the music though, Ignoramus’ that’s what they are – ignorant turds who think that rock n roll began with Elvis and discard the likes of Sam Cooke, Little Richard, all of which their so called irrelevant contribution to music are nothing. All you have to do is read a paragraph summing up how important rhythm n blues/bass is an integral part of popular music. The Smiths mean a lot to me on the same level as pink floyd and primal scream – the first time I heard How soon is now I really didn’t think music could get any better – then I listened to Barbarism begins at home – genius. They’re the first band that made me listen to lyrics and I think, even though it’s Morrissey solo, Suedehead changed my life. Don’t let the fools get you down, they’ll find out soon enough. That’s not to say that everyone should automatically like this version at the end of the day it’s all down to personal preference
 
Posted by Shola. on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 9:28 AM
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Becca & Andy

 
That's a very respectful and eloquent response. Hopefully more Smiths fans have a chance to read it before they pass judgment.
-Becca
 
Posted by Becca & Andy on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:44 AM
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E.B.G.B.

 
ah im glad you blogged this. The only people that I cared about hearing from dig the song too. That's awesome.
 
Posted by E.B.G.B. on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:57 AM
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Louise

 
Exactly. A big well done to anyone who appreciates good msic. Full stop.
 
Posted by Louise on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 11:57 PM
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Josh Klein

 
"an entire section of the population who never knew and would never know this song will now discover what you all have known for so long, that stephen patrick morrissey and johnny marr wrote some of the most beautiful songs that ever were."

i am part of that section..
 
Posted by Josh Klein on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:21 AM
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LISA

 
very well thought-out and put. thanks for posting this.
 
Posted by LISA on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:36 AM
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toffee4108™

 
Mark,
I think your "version" (Excuse pun, couldn't resist) of 'Stop Me...' is pure genius. It is reflective of the recurrent urge for cultural fluidity, especially amongst the youth. Hip hop, r'n'b, ska, Indie, rock, electro; it is all amalgamating and creating some beautiful sounds once again. I agree with another of those who commented, I too am tired of the mainstream hip hop - whatever that is at the moment - and the bastardisation of r'n'b.

I lovingly thank you - as a music fan in general - for planting the seed for re-education for today's youth. I may once again hold my head up high and say i love the likes of The Smiths, The Clash and The Jam, as well as Aretha Franklin, Lauryn Hill and Nas; thus declaring that you don't have to be pigeon holed to one genre of music, you can appreciate it all... as you have done.

I salute you Sir for endeavouring - and suceeding - in bringing about a universal change of music appreciation; the youth generation of the noughties ought to ackowledge this, regardless of their personal like or dislike of 'Stop Me'.

There are lover and haters in all walks of life, but those who really love music will still understand and appreciate the intention of a song/tune/lyrics, regardless of personal preference.

Keep up the good work, and i excitedly await the release of 'Versions'.
All the best for the future,
from Sarah
 
Posted by toffee4108™ on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 8:05 AM
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fuzz face

 
so what your saying is that your jesus christ back off the cross , come to save the world with big beat covers of classic songs?




well done mark [jesus]

we need you.....

your middle class school friends need you.!

the plannet needs you!

your sooooooooo kooool.
 
Posted by fuzz face on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 8:40 AM
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Char

 
I love Stop me and generally (if done well and with respect to the original artist and a fresh sound) have a lot of time for cover versions of classic songs...it brings a great tune to the attention of another generation who may not have had the oportunity to listen to it the first time round.

There's alot of music snobbery around regarding cover versions, people need to just take time to listen to the music before passing judgment. Stay open minded people!

Peace and love, Char x
 
Posted by Char on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 10:19 AM
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Louise

 
Good for you Mark. I am a great fan of both versions of this song, and being mid thirties, remember it the first time round. Anything that gets this song heard in whatever format is good news, and if it opens up a bigger network of Smiths fans then you've done well.
 
Posted by Louise on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 10:45 AM
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RaJ!v.
Rajiv Dasan

 
That's a very insightful piece of writing.
 
Posted by RaJ!v. on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:04 PM
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Ginger whinger

 
PERFECT.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I am a HUGE Smiths/Morrissey fan, this however, has never stopped me (geddit??! Sorry, I know that was awful...) from listening to many varied, weird and wonderful types of music.

It takes A LOT to be able to cover The Smiths and do a good job of it, and this, my friend, you have done AMAZINGLY well. Morrissey in my eyes is now and always will be a God, so to be able to do one of his (and Marr's) creations justice as you have done, well, let's just say, you should be incredibly proud.

Well done Mark.

Luv
Heidi
x
 
Posted by Ginger whinger on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 1:51 PM
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Brick Tamland
Matt Cole

 
There's been a long history of Rock & Pop tunes being covered and transformed by Soul & R&B acts. Nina Simone's "Here Comes The Sun" springs to mind, and who honestly doesn't rate Shirley Bassey's "Light My Fire". OK so I'm alone on that one obviously...

As far as I'm concerned, being not only a Smiths but also Radiohead fan, the skill and obvious respect Marks work shows towards the original tunes has "Versions" sitting right up there with the best of them.

Those who can't appreciate that obviously underestimate the strength of the original writing.
 
Posted by Brick Tamland on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 2:10 PM
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Miss May

 
"there are 26 real humans playing on the song"

26 real humans with real thoughts, feelings and emotions, thoughts, feelings and emotions that went into the song..........and you can hear it.

xxx
 
Posted by Miss May on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 2:29 PM
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zulunyc
Zuhirah Khaldun

 
When I finally saw Morrissey play live in 2004, it was at the Apollo Theatre in Harlem USA- I cried. Primarily because Morrissey was alive and happy, and amazingly enough, so was I:). But all of a sudden it made sense that Morrissey and The Smiths' melancholic, rhythm & blues affected music had got me, a black girl from New York, through high school in Bermuda. That the first time i saw him live was on the stage that had served as a showcase for so many R&B legends and was in my then hood, was further proof that this thing we call music belongs to us all- is a universal salve, no one owns shit. I thought Hip Hop's masterful use of sampling and a universal drum beat (well done for keeping it 'real' with the drums Mark:) had settled this argument in the 80's. We choose to sample-- and not cuz we can't play any instruments, but in homage, and in the pursuit of bringing NEW life to the original. Thanks Mark for so humbly and graciously making these connections between genre, time, and space. I always loved those mash-ups in the clubs and can't wait for VERSION. peace, yo
 
Posted by zulunyc on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 2:52 PM
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Lefty

 
Haha...whether he was polite or not, I hope he felt like a right fuckwit

Kudos to you Mr Ronson
 
Posted by Lefty on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 3:05 PM
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Your version made me go back and listen to Smiths songs I had not played since college. So thanks for that.
 
Posted by on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 3:23 PM
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Nigel L Bevan
Nigel Bevan

 
Truly awesome version and I agree your bringing this particular song to a new generation who will check the original out - respect man.

As for a certain Mr A.Turner - does'nt your release clash and is this the reason for stirring it all up in the british musical press?? REST MY CASE

KEEP THE FAITH !
 
Posted by Nigel L Bevan on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:23 PM
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The Smiths Fan was Me!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here is my reply!!!!!!! I think Mark is a sound geezer for taking the time out to reply to me!!!!!

"Hey thanks for taking the time out and replying, I’ll be honest I didn’t expect a reply, so that’s cool. Also, yeah, that’s wicked to hear that you like the song, I can appreciate anything borne out of a love for it. Yeah, I got into the smiths about 5 or 6 years ago, within a week of getting hatful of hollow I had every album and then listened nothing else for the next few years, the magic of Morrissey/Marr definitely transcends to listener like no other band I have ever come across, so I know exactly what you mean!!

Yeah, it is one of my favorite smiths songs, absolute epic, Strangeways is an emotive album, makes you quite sad when listening to it, knowing that it is their last album, but its unbelievable uplifting musically, esp. “Stop Me…” unbelievable tune. Death of a Disco Dancer is quite possibly one of the most understated songs ever made. If John Lennon had of penned those lyrics “If you think peace is a common goal that goes to show how little you know…(and)….Love, peace and harmony, oh very nice, very, maybe in the next world” you wonder what people might have been saying about it today!!

Yeah, RnB ‘shit’ is perhaps not appropriate terminology; yeah I know how mozza and Johnny got together via their common interest in funk/Motown et cetera, glad you gave a nod to that!! Believe me I don’t hear much RnB that I like though at the moment!!

Also, thanks again, I was naïve in my criticisms, this is probably the knee jerk reaction of most of the smiths fans, I know you will appreciate that, but thanks giving me an insight into it from your end; it’s something you perhaps shouldn’t have to justify to everybody, but it is nice that you did!! Also, cool to hear that you had so much input musically!!

You are spot on about the fact that people might listen to your song and “the population who never knew and would never know this song will now discover what you all have known for so long”!! that’s a great point and true smiths fans should appreciate that you are spreading the gospel!!

Jesus!! I think I might even buy the 7”(s)!!

thanks again, take it easy mate

gaz"
 
Posted by on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:43 PM
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MOVED: myspace.com/forbescoleman

 
regardless, it's a rubbish single. the rest of the album is better. bad choice of cover and single. still, seems to have worked for you.
 
Posted by MOVED: myspace.com/forbescoleman on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:12 PM
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Lawrence

 
In 1987, I was 18 years old. I was finally opening my ears to the music I'd secretly liked, but wouldn't admit to liking in public for fear of ridicule - The Smiths were in that group. My favourite songs of that summer were 'Casonova' by Levert, 'Rebel without A Pause' by Public Enemy and 'Girlfriend In a Coma' the Smiths. The former two were deemed acceptable amongst my peers, the latter dismissed as "weird" and "strange" (my older brother used to laugh at my tastes - he went to see Genesis at Wembley - need I say more?), so even admitting to having different musical likings was a mark against you.
I heard your version a couple of months ago and I have to say....I liked it. Smiths/Moz fans can be a little too precious in their defence of all things to do with the Marr & Moz, which I personally find a little tiring. Having had ten terrifying minutes defending my musical tastes whilst at Tottenham College Of Technolgy, when my copy of 'Sheila Take A Bow' fell onto the floor from out of my folder during a lesson (everbody in my class were either soulies, hip-hop bods, or raggas - so I had to stand my ground), I find the negativity in certain quarters saddening to say the least for what you've done. I personally think this perhaps the best thing that could happen, as a new generation will discover The Smiths for themselves (certain people - we'll call them "disciples of the quiff" - would rather keep the work of messrs Morrissey, Marr, Rourke & Joyce all to themselves, which I think is bollocks).

Just one little little quibble, though - why did you hook up with Robbie Williams?
 
Posted by Lawrence on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:41 PM
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Zanne
Zanne Hollens-Riley

 
My brother and I have been Smiths and Morrissey fans well for pretty much forever. I'm 22(nearly 23) and he's 21. So we've basically grown up with the music. It's basically split us opinion wise. I like it but my brother swore when it came on the radio so I guess that means he doens't like it. Guess it's one of those thing where you can't please everyone.
 
Posted by Zanne on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:01 PM
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Princess Jasmine

 
It has to be said that Smiths and Morrissey fans (myself included) tend to be possessive about their music - it's always sacrilege to cover or remix, it's never as good as the original, etc etc. Bollocks to that - quite frankly, as long as it's done properly, imitation is the greatest form of flattery and I think you've done this song the best justice it could possibly have had, and you can only have done that by being a fan yourself. I recently got a "spit in the eye" from a fellow Smiths fan (not a real one - I'd have fucking lamped him if it had been...) for suggesting that your version was nothing short of genius and it occurred to me (not for the first time) that that kind of shortsightedness is the biggest stigma attached to being a Smiths/Moz fan... So can I just say here and now we're not all Kathy Bates in Misery about the music, that I love them and I'm proud of it and occasionally I'll entertain the fact that other people are allowed to listen to them too! :-) Thanks for bringing that track back into the general consciousness. Me likee.

Preaching to the converted, I know. Just thought I'd mention it! I wonder if you've heard anything from the great men themselves on the subject?

Charming Lass xx
 
Posted by Princess Jasmine on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:08 PM
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Chrissykeegs

 
at the end of the day.....the smiths version is mega, but yours is a BANGER!!!!

if smiths fans are moaning, then fuck them....your versions album alone has made me a better person, i love it, i love you

x
 
Posted by Chrissykeegs on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:22 PM
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BIG BIG SOUND

 
good retort man,ive done a mix of ghost town,a full proper cover ina dnb style,does jerry damners have a myspace?i'll find out....man that must feel sooo good when the band love your mix...respect
 
Posted by BIG BIG SOUND on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 7:24 PM
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Sareeta

 
i reckon - music shouldn't need any explanation or justification. have the courage of your convictions.
 
Posted by Sareeta on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 7:36 PM
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KT

 
It's a great cover. It's reassuring to know that there are still people who appreciate GOOD music within this artifical music biz these days. It's so sad how few people have even heard of The Smiths, I pity them, people will not understand why until they have listened to the geniuses themselves.
 
Posted by KT on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 7:57 PM
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KT

 
Lauren: you shouldn't have to explain yourself like that.

In other words: "ho da fuk r da smiffs?"
 
Posted by KT on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:54 PM
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Trickles.
Richard Griffiths

 
cheer up love!
 
Posted by Trickles. on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:19 PM
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Bob'sMyUncle™

 
Well said...i like the metaphors at the beginning =) if it wasn't for your version of stop me (which is wikd by the way) i would never had felt the need to listen to the original by the Smiths...so you are right about introducing "an entire section of the population who never knew and would never know this song" to it. I wouldn't worry about the so-called "die hard Smiths fans" who complain about your version cos they obviously don't know enough about the background and r&b influences of their favourite band. There are jus too many narrow minded people who have such a square attitude to anything new or different to what they're used to.

Anywho...tc
x
 
Posted by Bob'sMyUncle™ on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:15 AM
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KT

 
AnastasiA: ""I wouldn't worry about the so-called "die hard Smiths fans" who complain about your version cos they obviously don't know enough about the background and r&b influences of their favourite band.""

OMG, that is the the most ignominious thing i have ever heard. HA!
Had to laugh, the smiths are influenced by R&B?! wow, you do not know how incredibly foolish you sound.
 
Posted by KT on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 3:24 PM
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Bob'sMyUncle™

 
"Leaky": Can I just say that I do not think what i said was foolish. Its laughable how shocked you are by the concept of an Indie band acknowledging R&B music is to you. As mentioned in the letter, a lot of people, like yourself, regard Rhythmn and Blues as a dity genre that could not possibly have any effect on other genres of music. Well NEWSFLASH many bands have been influenced and listen to R&B artists and that doesn't mean they go around singing "don't cha" by PCD. Do not be under the illusion that I regard the likes of Rihanna as real R&B music. You are not the only person who knows what quality music is...and also I'd appreciate if you didn't take on such a condescending tone when talking to me.
 
Posted by Bob'sMyUncle™ on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 8:28 PM
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Ellen

 
I have to say that this letter has seriously helped me to accept the song. When i first heard it a mate sent me it knowing i was a massive Morrissey/Smiths fan. I was quite alarmed when i heard it because of how different it was. However, after reading this and hearing your other interpretations of songs i have to say it all fits into place. I <B>LOVE</B> the orchestration... the strings and brass are just fantastic.

But...


The changes in lyrics?


That's just below the belt.

Viva Moz.
 
Posted by Ellen on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 12:27 PM
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Actors Anonymous
Actors Anonymous

 
thank u for getting me back in touch with a classic and often overlooked smiths track , and love your interpretation as well,
mark, you're on genuine fella if your blog is anything to go by
all the best
 
Posted by Actors Anonymous on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 2:06 PM
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Holy Calibre

 
No worries Mark, I can not understand anyone having a go or making a thing out of it.
I am not a Smiths fan but this song is great by them, I think though you have added something new and opened it up to more people- whats wrong with that!

Rnb has become a byword for the ever popular urban slanted pop music that the States has chucked out over the last 15 years. It has nothing to do with what I would originaly refer to as the golden age of rnb, late 50s to 60s.
The Amy Winehouse album is a real accomplishment, Fade To Black being very impressive ,the whole feeling
of the record is amazing.

Keep doing what you are doing.

Dominic.
(Pylon!)
 
Posted by Holy Calibre on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 2:21 PM
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KT

 
Mark: during the making of "strangeways...", every night they would listen to northern soul records before retiring to bed.

I think perhaps this was soul, motown. rather than R&B, or R&B as is seen today should i say. With the exception of Amy Winehouse. Basically it's probably hard explaining to the majority of todays generation that Rihanna didn't exisit back then! lol. People like her, ciara, pussy cat dolls have all tainted and misconstrued the word R&B.
It is indisputable that their main influences are indie/rock. I can't believe i had to justify that!
 
Posted by KT on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:02 PM
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Randolph York

 
The Motown sound is an example of R&B in the 1960s and 70s, but its R&B nontheless. It goes with saying that when Mark was referring to R&B or norther soul records that he isn't talking about Rihanna. Also, Rihanna is also more of a pop act (along with PCD) rather than R&B. A good example would be that single she had last year with sampling "tainted love" by Soft Cell. But pop is just a definition of what is 'pop'ular anyway, so it doesn't really even matter.

Anthony Hamilton is another good example of someone who is creating some very original and soulful R&B music.
 
Posted by Randolph York on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 8:43 PM
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KT

 
Yeah, i know Mark was saying how R&B has become a 'dirty word' these days. I was agreeing with him; by basically saying artists like Rihanna, PCD, Ciara have all helped in doing so. However, Mark stated it was 'Nothern Soul' - (R&B back in the day ~ probably things like James Brown, Aretha Franklin etc.) in which they listened to during 'strangeways...' But for people of todays generation they'd probably look at this thinking "oh yeah, moz lovez a bit of DA Usher" is pretttty fun-eh!!!!!
 
Posted by KT on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 9:16 PM
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Dance Monkey
Jessica Corcoran

 
however why can't you write your own songs instead of ripping off other peoples?
 
Posted by Dance Monkey on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:18 PM
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Adam Horovitz

 
Too right! Great song in both versions. I always loved the Smiths but hated the rabid fanbase...
 
Posted by Adam Horovitz on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:21 PM
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Just A Shambles, Baby.

 
The original is a chooon.


You done a great job as well if I might add.

= ]
 
Posted by Just A Shambles, Baby. on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:34 PM
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Tess

 
"vivid, brutal and devastating lyrics", yes OK, but I think the problem a lot of Smiths fans have with this version is that you have totally missed the humour. Do you even know what the song is about? Because from your interpretation my impression is you and your vocalist have no idea!

And don't get too excited about Morrissey giving his approval to your version. I have yet to hear him ever slag off a Smiths or Morrissey cover. He likes anyone covering his songs and is too polite to criticize them when they do so.
 
Posted by Tess on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:47 PM
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KT

 
I agree in someways. It's kind of funny, since the song was written because people were saying all their songs sound the same. (Hence the title), Therefore morrissey wrote an astonishingly impressive melody for the vocals, that stood out like a sore thumb; which mark and his vocalist have completely changed.
So in some ways its pretty funny that he choose this song; nevertheless its still a great cover!
 
Posted by KT on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 12:40 PM
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Sweet and Tender Hooligan
Tom Morris

 
some people are just so ignorant eh? thank you for enlightening us KATIE - i swear to God i never even knew who the Smiths were
 
Posted by Sweet and Tender Hooligan on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 3:58 PM
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Fable
rachell rixham

 
I could never get into "Morrissey" myself, I found him all to straaaaaaaaaange and a little The Norm, for my liking,
 
Posted by Fable on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:55 AM
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Hannah

 
Wow you are a very cool guy.

I only recently got into the smiths, but I hadn't heard stop me before until i heard your version. I think you did a great job on it!!


xx
 
Posted by Hannah on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:48 PM
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Fable
rachell rixham

 
Okay we loved *The Smiths* version when the smiths sang it,

*Mark Ronson* has brought a fresh new melodic version.

In noway has he taken this song and made it his own, in my opinion he has brought back *The Smiths* fans and reminded them of it, which primarily means, they will find their smiths album and play it again...so in due respect of this ....

The Smiths fans should get of Marks back! PERIOD..its not like he's the only one that has brought back a song from the past now is it?
 
Posted by Fable on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 4:49 PM
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Why are things so heavy in the future?

 
Didn't anyone tell you that covering a Smiths song is still a capital offence in the UK?
 
Posted by Why are things so heavy in the future? on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 5:57 PM
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