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City: LDN
State: South
Country: UK
Signup Date: 11/7/2005

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September 14, 2009 - Monday 
I havent written on here for a while but I've taken the time to write this as I  think music piracy is having a dangerous effect on British music, but some really rich and successful artists like Nick Mason from Pink Floyd and Ed O'Brien from Radiohead don't seem to think so. Last week in an article in the Times these guys from huge bands said file sharing music is fine. It probably is fine for them. They do sell-out arena tours and have the biggest Ferrari collections in the world. For new talent though, file sharing is a disaster as it's making it harder and harder for new acts to emerge. Heres a link to the article http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6828262.ece
Mason, O'Brien and the Featured Artists Coalition say that file sharing's "like a sampler, like taping your mate's music", but mix tapes and recording from the radio are actually very  different to the file sharing that happens today. Mix tapes were rubbish quality - you bought the real music, because you liked the track and wanted to hear it without the DJ cutting off the end of each song. In digital land pirated tracks are as good quality as bought tracks, so there's not a need to buy for better quality. The Featured Artist Coalition also says file sharing's fine because it "means a new generation of fans for us". This is great if you're a big artist at the back end of your career with loads of albums to flog to a new audience, but emerging artists don't have this luxury. Basically the FAC is saying 'we're alright, we've made it, so file sharing's fine', which is just so unfair to new acts trying to make it in the industry.
You don't start out in music with the Ferraris. Instead you get a huge debt from your record company, which you spend years working your arse off to repay. When you manage to get a contract, all those pretty videos and posters advertising your album have to be paid for and as the artist, you have to pay for them. I've only just finished paying off all the money I owe my record company. I'm lucky that I've been successful and managed to pay it back, but not everyone's so lucky. You might not care about this, but the more difficult it is for new artists to make it, the less new artists you'll see and the more British music will be nothing but puppets paid for by Simon Cowell.
And it's not like there aren't alternatives to illegal downloads anyway. Sites like Spotify give us access to new music and different music without having to rip someone off - you can listen to tracks and see if you like them before you buy them. Then obviously there's MySpace, that streams music and helps acts like me get enough fans to convince record companies to sign us up.
If this sounds like I'm siding with the record bosses, I'm not. They've been naive and complacent about new technology - and they've spent all the money they've earned on their own fat salaries not industry development. But as they start to lose big from piracy, they're not slashing their salaries - they're pulling what they invest in A&R. Lack of funds results in A&R people not being able to take risks and only signing acts they think will work, which again makes British music Cowell puppets.
Is this the way we want British music to go? Now, obviously I'm going to benefit from fighting piracy, but I think without fighting it, British music is going to suffer.
I don't think what's out there is perfect. It's stupid that kids can't buy anything on the internet without credit, forcing them to steal Mum's credit card or download illegally. It's this kind of thing that the record company bosses, artists, broadband providers and government should be sitting down and discussing. I'm off to South America on tour today, but i'm going to be writing British artists, saying just this.
File sharing's not okay for British music. We need to find new ways to help consumers access and buy music legally, but saying file sharing's fine is not helping anyone - and definitely not helping British music. I want to get people working together to use new digital opportunities to encourage new artists.
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iTake ©

 
1st!
 
Posted by iTake © on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:38 PM
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Gary "OLD MAN" Rise

 
WOW, YOUR FIRST! .. Now Lily, it has nothing to do with HUGE BANDS, nor rich folks. "Music File sharing" are mainly for people who SHARE MUSIC FOR THE WISDOM or TRYING TO GAIN RECOGNITION, SUCH AS FROM BLOGS, TORRENTs, NOT THE PLEASURE OF STEALING MUSIC THAT SOME IDIOTS DO. I don't want to be a jerk, but are you upset that your new album didn't do as well as your first? Because if thats the case, you can't JUST blame file sharing. Don't you SELL OUT venues too? I understand what your saying as an ARTIST, but from what I remember, your father is a famous man. So I can't really see why you are so strong on FILE SHARING, and BTW "MUSIC PIRACY", isn't the same as "FILE SHARING". There are many different "files" all around the web that people have more than the right to share. Such as, pictures, music from one's OWN band trying to reach recognition. If you take out "FILE SHARING" all together, than it would be harder for such "NO ONE SPECIAL ARTIST", like myself, to have to use an EXPENSIVE ROUTE that us STARVING ARTISTS WILL NEVER AFFORD. I'm not saying "MUSIC PIRACY" IS GOOD, But you can't blame the entire "FILE SHARING" for sale loss, even if thats not what your implying, its not true anyway. Radiohead can give anything for free and it won't hurt them because all they have to do is make another "depressing" song that everyone can "relate to" and sell millions worldwide. How do they do it, I have no clue. The UK version of wannabe Nirvana, I suppose. But don't let "file sharing" get you down, isn't that how you started out as well in the first place?? I'm just trying to give you a different view, if you didn't really understand what "File Sharing" really is. Interesting post though, I could understand why your upset. 
 
Posted by Gary "OLD MAN" Rise on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:22 PM
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Pj

 
Hey don't get all pissy, but I agree completely with "Gary OLD MAN" on this point of view.  Especially about your CD not doing well because it frankly just sucked - it wasn't all that great Lilly, you COULD do better.  Sure you have a lot of 'fans' who'll scream otherwise but that's my opinion - and everyone has their own.  But the bottomline is there IS a difference between pirating and file sharing.

Best of luck in your endeavors, I hope your next CD is better and sells more.  Get a new producer, a music coach and some discipline if your want to be better talent.  Your stupid past 'antics' don't help your cause - you know this already though.  Do you really wanna be another washed out "one hit wonder" chic?  NO?  Good, then rise above it and do better!!!

 
Posted by Pj on September 18, 2009 - Friday - 10:32 AM
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iTake ©

 
I did post another comment and said something else after I said "1st".
And everyone does it anyway so get over it :/
 
Posted by iTake © on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:43 PM
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Ninja

 
Hey look! Everyone is jumping off the proverbial cliff, get to it then...sheep.
 
Posted by Ninja on September 15, 2009 - Tuesday - 2:30 PM
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iTake ©

 
Whatever.
Stop spamming Lily's page now.
Peace out.
 
Posted by iTake © on September 15, 2009 - Tuesday - 2:33 PM
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Ninja

 
iTake: WHO THE FUCK CARES IF YOU ARE FIRST??? You don't even have anything valid to say you waster...
....Lily: I agree with you completely. I would rather have a physical CD anyway, I hope all of those people who try and get something for nowt get their hard drive wiped! ha ha..
 
Posted by Ninja on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:44 PM
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iTake ©

 
I did post another comment and said something else after I said "1st".
And everyone does it anyway so get over it :/
 
Posted by iTake © on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:43 PM
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ewan
Ewan Murrie

 
Ken what u r sayin lily, but Itunes needs to get a grip. not letting u put your music on other mp3 players an so hard to transfer music to other computers an stuff! easier wth the pirated limewiire music! lol. but dont worry i bought your last 2 albums in tesco lol.

p.s my older bro loves u hahaha. we were in front row at T in the P :P x
 
Posted by ewan on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:39 PM
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lava cakes
Andrew Moulton

 
not only does iTunes music lack DRM (for a while now) there are PLENTY of other places to buy music online...if you can't figure out amazon mp3, then toss your computer out the window, we don't want you in the digital age.
 
Posted by lava cakes on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 7:53 PM
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ewan
Ewan Murrie

 
p.s "puppets paid for by simon cowel" hahahaah
 
Posted by ewan on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:42 PM
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Nuxx

 
..Lily, ask EMI why they haven't licensed your music to Virgin Media's new download service yet..
 
Posted by Nuxx on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:44 PM
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[meganbizzle]

 
completely agree, lily. this piracy business is stifling music in all senses and it's only a matter of time before everyone's feeling the effects.

 
Posted by [meganbizzle] on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:44 PM
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iTake ©

 
Totally agreed Lily.

x
 
Posted by iTake © on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:44 PM
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AaronJordan(:

 
..Lily I <3 Your Mind....Its Perfect....and I Agree 100%!....:]..
 
Posted by AaronJordan(: on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:47 PM
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Gary;' That's how you spell L.O.V.E
Gary Bourbage

 
totally agree tbh, and all this illegal downlaoding stops good artists from acheing the best chart positions, too much of their song being downlaoded means a lower chart position, and it's really not fair at all, i support this! =] x
 
Posted by Gary;' That's how you spell L.O.V.E on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:47 PM
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Li
Li H.

 
..When you like someone's work, you have to pay for it.....I work for money... everybody work for money. Why do they think music should be free? It's a work, isn't it???..
 
Posted by Li on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:49 PM
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adrian
Adrian Lane

 
Hey Lily, while I completely agree with you. I never steal music. I believe in supporting the artists I enjoy listening to. I wish that the record company's and maybe the artists too would give us a more reasons to buy the albums. I have bought both of your albums twice, one Cd, 2 LP's and 1 on Amazon download. It would be nice if when I bought the LP I could get a free download. I know that you and your label need money, but charging us old fashioned LP listeners twice is hard to justify.

Anyway thats my rant. Keep up the good work. :)

 
Posted by adrian on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:51 PM
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Vincent

 
It's time for new business models! You talk of the old industry, but they won't last! There will be a solution and file sharing helped me, because musicians play much more concerts nowadays, that's where they earn their money! Sitting on your ass while your album gets sold (not meaning you, but there are musicians who really where like that) is over and I'm thankful for that!
You've earned your money the old way, but the new models will be different and perhaps without the Ferrari's in all!

 
Posted by Vincent on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:52 PM
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Gary "OLD MAN" Rise

 
AMEN TO THAT!
 
Posted by Gary "OLD MAN" Rise on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:25 PM
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mike's™

 
It is not helping I'm sure! However, the quality is often not as good as the real thing.
MP3's by nature are compressed audio files, so there is lots of loss. Maybe if people knew that
they would realize they're not getting the same quality as the original, they would buy it. But people today are cheap and if it's free they'll take it anyway. As far as kids possessing credit cards? That needs no explanation. All you need is check card, works the same but funds come the cardholders checking account. Besides whatever happened to saving your money and buying a CD at the mall?
I think people today are just plain lazy and want to get paid for doing nothing. It's gonna be a hard thing to overcome Lily. Also, I think people as well as artists don't care for big record companies.
They ripped off artists waaaay more than piracy to this point in history. And if the government gets involved? oh man...I don't want to even think about it....

 
Posted by mike's™ on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:53 PM
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lava cakes
Andrew Moulton

 
what's interesting is that pirated music is often 256k or 320k files, which 99% of people can't tell the difference between that and a CD, and at the same time many LEGAL mp3 stores don't go above 192k....kudos to Apple for going DRM free and at 256k, but we need a lossless option across the board, FLAC, Apple Lossless, Hell, i've got the resources for WAV, why can't they deliver it....that's why I bought your CD lily, your one of the few artists i truly respect.
 
Posted by lava cakes on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 7:58 PM
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Kajsa

 
Well said Lily! Totally agree with you!
xx

 
Posted by Kajsa on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:55 PM
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Steph Newton *EP OUT NOW*

 
hmm.....i agree!

 
Posted by Steph Newton *EP OUT NOW* on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:56 PM
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Jamy ♥ M&C

 
i agree and most for a artist who is new  these activity kill her music ..
but kids or teens don't can use a credit card also they stole music for free on internet,but maybe the first problem are these website who add these music files for free...

 
Posted by Jamy ♥ M&C on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 3:57 PM
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[chia]

 
Lily, you are right. The problem is always about "money".
I can talk about the prices in the Italian market.... A CD is really expensive here, if you want to spend less you have to wait months and you'll be lucky to find it cheaper..  but if you want it as soon as it's out you have to pay for it a lot. Yes we have Itunes here as well but if you buy songs from itunes you don't get an mp3 but another kind of file that can't be listened from all the mp3 player. Also here in italy a lot of people can't have a proper internet connection... it is very sad but it's the reality...
So  people buys illegal cds from the streets at very low prices... this is as bad as online file sharing, innit?
Lately an Italian singer has done 2 cds just with cardboard, not plastic, with 10 tracks each, sold at 9,99 euros each, just like on Itunes. I think this is a great idea, can you tell me if the cd just with cardboard is cheaper to produce than with plastic and leaflet?


 
Posted by [chia] on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:05 PM
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Djwonda -UK FUNKY RECORDS NEW TUNES ON PAGE NW!!

 
AS A NEW PRODUCER IAM FEELIN U BABY GIRL!! ITS KILLING THE LOVE FOR MUSIC ON A WHOLE, EVERY1 COULD BEEN PLAYIN YOUR MUSIC BUTS WHATS THE POINT IF YOU AINT GETTIN THE REAL RECONITION YOU DESEREVE!!!! XXX
 
Posted by Djwonda -UK FUNKY RECORDS NEW TUNES ON PAGE NW!! on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:07 PM
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Dane

 
....You're certainly taking the capitalist position here; IP belongs to the artist.

I completely agree with you, unfortunately these ideas are directly in conflict with the "me, me, me" entitlement culture that believes all property should be collectively owned (socialism).  Societies that practice this kind of collectivism have very little to offer in terms of private arts.  If it's not government sponsored it doesn't exist.

I don't think any of us want that reality, but then I question why so many vote for socialists in otherwise free democracies?....
 
Posted by Dane on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:08 PM
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Pete

 
I bought 'It's not me, It's you" twice...by accident. but it's ok. now I have the digital iTunes version with the two bonus tracks und the physical CD for my CD collection...music piracy sucks. And I had 18 € for your CD. 18, just because of music piracy.....That sucks,that really sucks!..
 
Posted by Pete on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:13 PM
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-Will-

 
Well said Lily :D
 
Posted by -Will- on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:15 PM
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Peter

 
Nice one Lily. As a muso struggling to break through, I totally agree.
Keep up the good work. x

 
Posted by Peter on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:28 PM
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Avner
Avner Peled

 
I think that fighting against file sharing is next to impossible. There are just too many people and the internet is too big, accessible and free (which is ultimately a good thing). ..Instead, the industry should adapt, like it has already started doing, making payed downloading cheaper and easier. All in all it will gain from this because a lot more music will be available to a much larger group of people.....Then it will be up for the people to get education about why it is important to buy music they like. Otherwise they will start noticing artists they like disappear. If paying for music would be cheap and fast like pirating music, it shouldn't be much of a problem.....Just my 2¢...
 
Posted by Avner on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:34 PM
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Vincent

 
True! And furthermore, file sharers buy 10 times more music on the web than other people! Most of them are real music lovers who truly want to support the artist, but just not those bloodsucking labels!

 
Posted by Vincent on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:10 PM
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Gary "OLD MAN" Rise

 
I think you, Avner, a few and I, are the only people with brains in this blog. Everyone else "Your're so right Lily", come on man, have your OWN MIND! Just because you agree with her doesn't mean she's gonna give you all free concert tickets people. This is an IMPORTANT subject which requires a lot of thinking from BOTH sides. ARTISTS AND FANS. If you LOVE the music, SUPPORT THE ARTIST, SIMPLE AS THAT. Though some of us don't have the money the parents give you to buy MORE than ONE of the SAME damn RECORD. We have to work our asses off, or download it in the mean time until you can purchase it. I stand strong for that! Money doesn't grow on trees, its MADE from it. And like I said before, I understand where Lily is coming from but I'm afraid she's on the late train. Worrying about "British music" isn't going to get YOU anywhere dear. Why don't you do it the "OLD SKOOL" way and just MAKE records and not worry about others but YOU and YOUR FANS. It seems there is a lot talk of whats fair and what isn't. Help me out with a label and I'll show you how it's done. JUST KEEP MAKING MUSIC, thats what your here for, right? MY wife and I love your music Lily, doesn't that matter to you? So keep doing it, stop worrying, and STAY FOCUSED. 
 
Posted by Gary "OLD MAN" Rise on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:34 PM
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Leslie
Leslie Shaw

 
I downloaded your first album before I bought it and without downloading it or hearing you on Radio1 I would never of bought your second album or concert tickets to see you four times. The fact you think that all file sharers are the scummy people is stupidity and you aren't seeing it from both sides of the coin. I know a single mother who gets £90 a week and fileshares what she wants and then buys it if she likes it but last week summoned to pay £500 for a song she didn't download. It is people like you spouting off and not thinking it all through that is making con artists know it is so easy to try and claim £500 but also that you think more of money than music. You are off to South America but 10% of your entire weeks "wage" must go on an album that you might like or you might hate 8 songs on!
 
Posted by Leslie on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:36 PM
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Sa®aH

 
Very much agreed.

 
Posted by Sa®aH on September 15, 2009 - Tuesday - 5:19 AM
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KaH

 
You can't order a pasta and only pay for the sauce so why the fuck should Lily or any other artist, give away her entire album because some people only like 1 or 2 songs. That's not how it used to be before digital downloading became possible. People respected and loved music, they valued it far more back then.

Anyway anyone who relies purely on downloading albums, whether they are legal downloads or not are complete fucktards because the quality of the music is much lower than that on CD.
 
Posted by KaH on September 15, 2009 - Tuesday - 2:26 AM
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The Keepa

 
Check out Porcupine Tree. They are a British band that is overwhelmingly against downloading (though you can find some of their work on iTunes or Amazon thanks to their record company), but they sell more albums with every release. They believe in music as an artfrom, and not just pop charts. They take you on a journey and they utilize more word of mouth than hit singles.

 
Posted by The Keepa on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:38 PM
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Ingunn Illustration

 
I always buy my music. It makes me appreciate the music even more. If we do not support artists we like, how can they continue making good music if they have no money to do so?

 
Posted by Ingunn Illustration on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 4:44 PM
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Gary "OLD MAN" Rise

 
And HOW did they make the ALBUM in the FIRST PLACE? Interesting post. 
 
Posted by Gary "OLD MAN" Rise on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:38 PM
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E
Austine Oñealisi

 
u rock!
 
Posted by E on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:02 PM
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Michelle
Michelle Granelli

 
I was a big fan of file sharing years ago, before myspace and Spotify.  Back then I couldn't afford to spend huge amounts on albums, taking the risk that they were any good.  So I'd download a few tracks and if I liked what I heard I bought the album.  If not I deleted the files.  Now, as you say, there is no need for file sharing with sites such as this and Spotify.  I certainly think that it once had a purpose, I used to pass on songs to friends if I had found a great new song/artist.  Now I pass on links to Spotify etc.  Now though, I think file sharing should just be used for things like concert recordings where the artist/band encourages fans to record shows and share them out....it's advertising for them without having to do it themselves!

 
Posted by Michelle on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:11 PM
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Michelle
Michelle Granelli

 
.....and as Leslie says above, there have been times I have downloaded songs, thought 'wow!' and gone on to buy every album the band/singer has done and paid out for tickets/merchendise.

 
Posted by Michelle on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:17 PM
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Vincent

 
..http://is.gd/39RnB.. Why copyrights can be so bad-> The free use of the 'Amen Break' sample resulted in a whole new music movement: The Jungle/Drum & Bass scene! Take the time to watch this video and you will understand better!

 
Posted by Vincent on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:18 PM
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Mike
Michael Warnes

 
We've gotten to an age of technological development where there's endless things you can do. People like things for free, even if better ways are made to download music and buy it legally, more easily and in the most extreme P2P was banned all together. You could easily go to Youtube, find a music video and download it before ripping the audio content with software.

While I agree piracy is a big issue that needs to be solved not just in the music industry but other arenas of media such as software and/or film, realistically speaking as long as the internet exists and the technology/software is available, it will never cease to exist.

 
Posted by Mike on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:22 PM
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Bobby, Hibs Fan
Bobby Mac

 
ur a millionare so dnt c y it bothers u
 
Posted by Bobby, Hibs Fan on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:29 PM
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★rIpLeY★

 
Agreed. But 2 things: 1) Digital music is NOWHERE NEAR the same quality of buying a CD, or for that matter, hearing an original recording. It's sad that people don't want to buy physical copies because they don't understand how much info is being lost when the files are compressed. The fact that kids think MP3s sound great is pathetic, and it makes those of us in the recording industry cringe. But 2) The fact that MP3s have become the new medium is unfortunately a fact. And you're right that the execs have been naive. Instead of embracing the technology and finding a way for it to be profitable, they have sat on their hands and complained about their losses. They could have done something about it years ago.
I'd also like to add that many people are still willing to pay for good music. But it has become the age of downloading singles, and it's reflected in the music quality. If artists would make good entire albums instead of a few hot singles + lots of filler, they might sell more albums too! The responsibility goes to everyone, I guess.

 
Posted by ★rIpLeY★ on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:33 PM
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Dane

 
These are excellent points!
 
Posted by Dane on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:51 PM
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lewis.

 
Boo fucking hoo. You must lead such a hard life. All that money you had to pay back. Your latest album was shit and you can't sing for toffee. Still, there's always getting your tits out to pay the bills. How classy of you Lily.

 
Posted by lewis. on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 5:41 PM
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Lily Allen

 
i don't get paid for photo shoots bozo. i've never got paid to get my tits out. except at school, but thats different. 
 
Posted by Lily Allen on September 14, 2009 - Monday - 8:04 PM
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