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- Doc
 

YES THIS IS THE SAME POS COMPANY:

Hey Allen its still going. If i take them to court its like i told my father i might lose the battle but the wars just starting. I Built a website just for these bastards with Video and stories from news media. Go Check it out and tell your friends about it as well. Here's the Link.

www.blueworldpoolsconsumerreport.com

Marc

Marc is fighting for his home due to this company and he is not the first. BAD BUSINESS is alive and well. They have lied to several saying they have corrected the issue with me...They lie. They say it was all a misunderstanding...They lie. They say they are above board on thier business practices....They lie.

Allen
 

I wanted to get this post up front so I am replying to first comment in order to get this message seen.

I did some more research on Consumer Complaints... because I know somewhere out there was a place that handles them. This is what I found...

This information is from About.com
Complaints? Turn 'Em In!

Whether you've been scammed, harmed by an unsafe product, or not gotten your money's worth, a Government agency will listen and take action on your complaint.

Action? Does the government really take action on individual consumer complaints? Yes, it does. For example, read through some of the these "Commission Actions" of the Federal Trade Commission. Indeed, complaints and comments from individuals are the backbone of America's consumer protection system.

In this feature, you will find agencies, bureaus, and commissions that accept and investigate consumer complaints and reports. Be aware that a complaint to one agency may trigger action on the part of another. For example, a complaint about a cosmetic product to the Federal Trade Commission may be acted on by the Food and Drug Administration.

Category of Product or Problem

Almost Anything
Air Travel
Automobiles and Related Products
Consumer Products (Non-food/drug)
Environmental Problems & Violations
Food, Drugs & Cosmetic Products
Internet Fraud
Investment-related Products and Services
Medicare Fraud
Nursing Facilities
Telephone Related


Almost Anything

The Federal Trade Commission accepts complaints related to any consumer or business-practice problem. This may be the best place to complain about email spam, online scams, and telemarketing in general.

While the FTC does not resolve individual consumer complaints, they use complaints to help identify areas needing direct enforcement action and to inform the public of consumer problems. (FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection)

FTC offers this multi-purpose complaint form for lodging a complaint or comment about most consumer, business, or commerce-related issues. For security reasons, do not include any personal information (account numbers, Social Security numbers, etc.) in this form.

You can also contact the FTC by telephone or surface mail at:
202-FTC-HELP (202-382-4357)

Federal Trade Commission
CRC-240
Washington, D.C. 20580

This information is from the Federal Trades Commission Website
http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/contact.shtm

How to Contact the Federal Trade Commission

You can contact us electronically via our online forms, by telephone, or by mail.

* You can forward unsolicited commercial e-mail (spam) directly to the Commission at SPAM@UCE.GOV without using the complaint form.
* If you want to file a complaint about a particular company or organization, please use our secure Complaint Form.

https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

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I believe if this issue is worthy enough, the Federal Trade Commission will be able to investigate the TAPED PHONE CONVERSATION between this company and Allen and his wife. I wish you all the luck with this.

Keep contacting the News Media...
 

Very cool! I posted the same thing earlier... it got a bit buried in the blog. Great to know someone else took time to check :D
 

I know Dragon we have had a few talks about this bs before!
 

Thats bs. For the other person no impeachment will happen and if our troops come home the war will follow them home. I will let people know Doc. This is crazy just because he was in iraq? WTF? If they still want a pool I know a company hon. Screw this company! Can we say libs and dumb asses? This is bad! Wow!!
 

AGREED!

- Doc
 

Amen to that!!!
 

If it is the Kempner near Ft Hood I can contact the company tomorrow.

I am going to give you my guess here...

Most companies around a military base will not do major home improvements or other major business (especially in Texas) with only one spouse there regardless of POA. The reason for this is that many soldiers give POA to their wives and then their wives cheat on them or whatever and drain the accounts, run up bills and leave the soldier high and dry. It is not only to protect the company but the deployed soldier as well. I am sure this is not the case with his wife but you have to understand that the company has no way of knowing this.

Also, I should note, that military finance will not deal with a deployed soldier's spouse unless they have a special power of attorney not just a blanket one. This has left many wives in binds and unable to fix pay issues but, again, it is to protect the soldier because far too many wives pull shady stuff.

I highly doubt any company operating in the Ft Hood vicinity is anti soldier or refusing to do business with deployed soldiers, it is more often that they are protecting both the interest of the soldier and the company and I can not blame them for that.

I am sure your friend is upset and I also believe that the representative from the company should have caught the mistake earlier but they didn't. It is a policy most companies around here carry and a sound one. A pool can wait, a soldier getting bills run up due to a shitty wife can get financially ruined for the rest of his life... that's how you need to view this. I really don't like it when soldiers use the support of the people for troops to personally exact revenge against a company unless the company has blatantly snubbed the soldier due to political ideology instead of just basic business sense. This sounds much more like the policy of most companies in this area and a mistake in realizing that company policy is that you don't do major business with one spouse (this is true even when soldier's are home) is not a good enough one to destroy a business and make a bad name for it in a soldier's community when in fact they are protecting many soldiers with this policy.
 

"I hightly doubt any company operating in the Ft. Hood vicinity is anti soldier....."

Riiiiggghhhtttt, because anti-military sentiment is NEVER found in a military town. It must have been my imagination when I saw Sean Penn and a bunch of liberal kooks picketing outside the gates to my particular Army base. I guess it was my imagination when a local diner recanted their military discount because they "didn't want to be lining our pockets anymore than Bush already is".
 

Sheezy,

What you and others fail to realize is that have HUNDREDS of military and their wives on my friends list. They are just not OVERLY VOCAL like some people we know. We are all part of a intricate network with the military and many of these wives MORE than know how to get things done and they belong to several groups where they all stick together.

No one is discrediting Paula. However she is not the authority on things. There are SEVERAL that would say otherwise. And, they are wives of active, retired and disabled vets.


- Doc
 

If you would just call the number, you'd find that the circumstance is not dubious or discriminating in any fashion.

Yes, they wont build that lady a pool, but they wont build a pool for ANYONE who's significant other is away and contributing to the cost without their say. Its not just military, its everyone.

To put say that military families are being discriminated against by this compaby is misleading. The truth is, families with a significant other over seas (military or other) are being discriminated against.

I'm not for it at all, but lets at least get the whole story shall we?
 

"we don't serve soldiers in Iraq"... Their FATAL MISTAKE of words. Not the Soldier or his family!

- Doc
 

oh come on. Dont be so reactionary.

You know very well their reasoning for it, and you know this is taken completly out of context. And you know the intent behind their words. Perhaps they could have worded it better, but youre accusing them of purposely excluding military families and essentially no one else, when that couldnt be furt5her from the truth.

If I was in Russia or Prague on business, they would treat me exactly the same way. So how is that discriminating (in action) against the troops?
 

As the father of 2 sons who just returned from Iraq and Afghanistan; read this and read it carefully! My second son's wife is a high school teacher in a Public School. She had jerk-head parents and community members disrespect her and my son. It was glossed over by administrators who told her to get over it, they didn't mean anything by what they said. (I spent 20 years as a school administrator and I never once told anyone to get over it.)Screw-em! If people can't consider the gravity of their words, they deserve to lose business. Both my boys were shot at by the enemy, mortered by the enemy, targeted by IEDs, and then they have to put up with crap back home! People who want our business need to be careful or we, and all our friends, will do business else-where.
 

Bottom-line here is that Allen (who is in Iraq with this life on the line) is pissed along with all of us with "we don't serve Soldiers in Iraq"... He more than explained the situation and the dumb company made that statement.

WTF?? Why " we don't service Soldiers in Iraq"? Any company that says that to a Soldier in a Hot Zone is stupid and does not deserve to be in business.

Them fighting words as far as I am concerned. And when it comes to my friends who are in the Military, I with many others don't take kindly to our Soldiers being treated like that.

Especially while they are there fighting and some are here making excuses for a stupid fucking company that does not know how to respect and talk to Combat Soldiers in the Hot Zone!

Their mistake!

- Doc
 

they used those words because it was inregards to someone serving in Iraq. If it had been in regards to me doing business in Paris, they would have used the words "we dont service people in Paris".

Dont try and pretend like there is some kind of "hate the troop" mentality behind this.

They were not "fighting words" they were merly explaining a policy that affected a potential customer. They used poor wording. Thats all

There was absolutely no "hate the troops" intent behind this, and you know it. No motive, no intent, no crime.
 

^ Another Asshole bites the dust!

Who's Next?

- Doc
 

The fact that Allen and his family are upset over this is good enough for us to see it differently.

Don't like that type of support we give our troops?

To fucking bad!

- Doc
 

And thats okay to do? Are you kidding?!
 

It is a shame that a few "bad wives" like "bad husbands set the "trend " for discrimination. According to Legal standards, the majority of Soldiers give their spouse (and in many cases today, their parents) limited POA's, and in todays world most married couples have both names on the deed, giving power for one, or both to make improvements. Since the Soldier, stationed in Iraq was going to be on the phone - it is wrong to have assumed his wife was a cheating wife.

Again, the businesses in TX does not suprise me with laws not according to state laws--- it is not a shock as to why so many manufacturing companies are out of business there.
 

Damn P, beat me to it LOL
 

I just went through the POA when Tony was deployed its mandatory for the wife to have that so called special POA unless the soldier can prove she is unfit to not have it. I have 2 POA's for Tony! Yes some wives out there are bad but not all! But its not a special POA all wives are suppose to have the 2 if they don't then he has proven her unfit
 

I replied to you but I think this might make what I am saying more clear (and avoid Doc and others getting sued for Libel against this company)

http://www.roycebuilders.com/buying/6-closing-on-my-home.asp

Each person on the loan must be present at time of closing. This means if you have a co-signer, both parties must attend. The state of Texas requires both spouses be present at closing, even if the loan is only for one spouse. If for some reason one or all parties cannot be present at the time of closing, a person must be appointed the Power of Attorney to sign for the missing party. If you or another party will be absent, please be prepared to appoint a Power of Attorney before closing.

To appoint a Power of Attorney, a property-specific Power of Attorney document must be signed by all parties (you, your spouse or co-signer and the person appointed) and notarized. This document must be submitted to the lender and Title Company prior to closing, along with a copy of a valid government-issued photo identification card of the appointed person. The person who is appointed the original Power of Attorney must be present at closing and verified. The absent person(s) will be asked to verify over the phone that the person who has been appointed the original Power of Attorney is present and has approval to sign for them at closing.

When buying a pool most people are taking the money out against their home. Just like with signing for financing a home or even a re-finance, both parties MUST be present. If one of the parties can not be present they have to do a specific (special) power of attorney for that exact contract. A general will not work, a financial will not work, it has to be specific to the contract being signed.

Unless his wife was holding that specific POA for signing the financing contract for a pool she can not sign it alone or on his behalf under Texas law regardless of what other POA she has.

Now then... if someone wants to gripe that the person didn't know about this when sceduling then that is fine but to claim that they are anti troop in a military town when in fact it is the law that they have to do it that way is libel and they can sue anyone slandering them for damages if they lose any business due to flase information such as "They won't do business with us because he is serving in Iraq and they don't like soldiers" when in fact they simply won't do business with you because you do not have the legal documentation required by the state of Texas.
 

I am a military spouse and YES, your correct in stating you need a "SPECIAL POA". Even then they do not have to except the document_
 

Too many "if's" and "maybe's" Paula.

"violated company policy for them to conduct business *with a family* who has a service member in Iraq."

"I talked to the company and they said that they quit conducting business because they felt it was not in their interest to work with members of the military..."


Read it again. Enough said.
 

Paula,

Get real. Do you THINK I give a shit about getting sued for SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS? I have family that are not only Lawyers but, Judges serving in NYC and NJ.

Fuck this company. This is FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!

Fuck the Liberal Bullshit and Policing of thinking that people don't have a right to speak out against something like this! It is a BLOG and BLOGS are part of being FREE SPEECH.

There is no "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" Bullshit on my Blog!

My advice to you is to not come on my blog and spread FEAR of being sued because of something like this.

Wrong blog to be saying that bullshit on.

Somethings are worth going to battle over and this is one them!

- Doc
 

Good for you! I'm soooo tired of those who spread needless fear for BS reasons. It's about time someone stood up and said "So Sue me! I'm standing for our soldiers who can't stand here for themselves"!! I'm a member of SoldiersAngels and proud of it! Thank you DocManJay
 

P You are correct some companies have policies to not conduct business while a service member is deployed or not available to attend an appointment. That is not the total case here. The appointment was made with full disclosure that I was not and would not be there. If a company has a policy to protect a service member that is great, but do not make an appointment and then change your mind mid-stream, besides the fact that my wife has her own money and is signed for the property.

I appreciate the support and I appreciate your concern, however, a company protecting a service member regardless of a specific POA should make sure that they let everyone know that they do not make it a practice to conduct business with a service member when they are not there and not make appointments. The appointment was made and when I talked to the company twice they stated, we do not do business with troops deployed to Iraq. They did not say we do not do business with troops when they are unavailble for the appointment. The appointment was for an estimate and not an install, they do not know when I will be home nor did they ever ask.
 

Angel,

He only wanted an "ESTIMATE". Plus his wife has he own money. They specifically said, "soldiers fighting in Iraq"... Their emphasis. Not his.

- Doc
 

My guess is they mentioned Iraq because you were discussing being deployed in Iraq. It doesn't matter where you are. I posted the laws in bold. Without a special and specific power of attorney they can't do anything. They should have informed your wife sooner, I agree but they are not being anti troop and it has nothing to do with you being in Iraq. It is state law down here because of the homestead laws.
 

What part about this being just an ESTIMATE is not clicking? No install. No loans. His wife has her own money for this.

My Cousin had his wife install a pool without a POA while he was a way in Europe on business.

This is a case of LIBERAL BULLSHIT DISCRIMINATION!

- Doc
 

So you woul dnot object if I wrote a letter to their local Elected Officals - asking why this company is discriminating against Military Families?
 

Ahhh.....found it. Sorry I was a little behind!
 

Allen - here's an idea.

They are a national company; get one of your friends to go through the process but state they are deployed to Afghanistan or Korea (they won't know) & see what happens.

They may keep bringing up Iraq because they already know you are there. If they are consistent, then you know there are legit.

If they have a specific beef because you are in Iraq - then we'll fuck em
 

The trigger gets pulled and they get FUCKED NOW! They already crossed the line!

- Doc
 

Hey Doc - that's your call to make and I'm sure as hell not going to say what the best course of action is.

But as someone who gotten his ass burnt (quite a few times) from flying off the handle and accusing many of crap eventually proven unjustified, me personally - I'd wait for solid proof, now, before acting.

Since they are a national company, it behooves them to be conservative with business practices, and from my perspective that's what I'm seeing here - but I have the door open in case they are being a bunch of fucks against Allen.
 

I don't Allen is going to say "Troops in Iraq" for the hell of it. I know Allen for a while and I have corresponded with him while it was freezing here and it was 120+ degrees in Iraq.

If he says they said that.. That is well enough for me. I don't care if the Company is NATIONAL or GALACTIC!

They fucked up and will pay!

- Doc
 

Like I said, I'll be glad to call and get their policy info and see if I can help your wife out.

I honestly think this is another case of someone not knowing their job (not so uncommon LOL) but I don't think it is a case against troops. You got them on incompotence but you may want to play that card later. talk to a supervisor there, get a record on it and when you do get the POA's in order you might be able to get a good discount. Give them a chance first though... ya know? You are already stressed hun, you don't need any more.
 

If you read the above where Ro has already called and checked that out you'd have saved time in trying to act as if you gave a shit .
I was in Iraq for two tours and when home on leave I had the same trouble with another company. Not everyone is in support...those that aren't can go to hell.
Comes down to pussies that have no regard for those who have made the sacrifices in our military.

When ANY of you liberal jerk offs have spent even a minute in 140 degree heat, sandstorms, IED's, and combat in forward iraq, then speak up... other wise f*ck off and go back to the mall!

You make me want to puke !
 

Thanks Wulf!! ~ :)
 

Wulf,

I would pay no mind to that loud mouth broad brother. Although she is the wife of a Vet, she is as liberal as they come. She uses her husband as a BADGE to be a blow horn. It gets stale really quick. Fact of the matter is that she burried herself with her vehement position on defending this stupid fucking company.

That bitch even called the company and gave them the link to this blog. Well, I am waiting for the Son of Bitches to apologize.. scratch that..

I want them to give Allen and his family a pool for free to show their support of the troops. The internet has become a tool of power and they have been inundated with calls as well as reports to the BBB.

OohRah!!

- Doc
 

Allen,

Don't worry Brother.. We are going to inundate these Liberal Scumbags! I know discrimination when I hear it!

- Doc
 

Cool your jets Doc. You may have family that does legal work but I worked legal and I also happen to own a house and am working on purchasing a pool in the same state and country as the person you are blogging about. Don't you think I MIGHT know the laws of MY state a little better than you do?

I offered to call the company tomorrow to find out. For someone who says they prefer people to use logic over emotion you sure are not emulating that right now. You went off the deep end about something and I gave you the laws of the state. Your friend is pissed he isn't getting his way and is using the fact that he is a soldier to bash a company that is following STATE LAWS THAT ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT HIM!

Have you been drinking or something? Honest question because seriously Doc... with so many family members in the legal profession the fact that you say I am spreading fear by stating laws is showing a bit of ignorance.

I support my soldiers, I live right next to a base you are talking about and you're what... 3000 miles away? I gave you the law, I backed myself up. I used FACTS. I also spent 7 years as a military wife dealing with POA's and know what is needed for each situation.

Some things are worth going to battle over, I'll agree with you. A soldier not having the proper paper work and trying to run a company out of business because he didn't get his way when the company is protecting him and other soldiers is not one of those things. That is abusing the support of the American people for our soldiers and shit like that is a disgrace to the uniform. I don't support anything that disgraces the uniform.

I will gladly call tomorrow and find out what the policy is for that company and even see if I can get it e-mailed to me. But until then, if you are wrong, it is libel that's not spreading fear, that isn't a threat that is basic law 101.

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1. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
2. The act of presenting such material to the public.
2. The written claims presented by a plaintiff in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court.



If I am on the wrong blog for using facts then so be it but I didn't think it was like that.
 

Paula,

I don't give a FUCKING SHIT what you worked on. NO LIBERAL BULLSHIT OF F E A R on this BLOG!!

Get the hint? I hope you do really quick..

Go to another blog with your propogated bullshit.

This is an arel that I don't welcome your specific input on. Sorry if that offends you. My BLOG.. My RULES.

This is America. We have a right to say FUCK YOU to a company and REPORT on a company that does this.

You and no one else are going to damper that SPIRIT!

Have a nice night!

- Doc
 

Spit your dummy out the pram? Need a tissue? Wait! If i get my violin i can accompany you!

Shes just making a valid point; it doesnt adhere to your specific viewpoint so you just shout and swear without actually countering ANY of her arguments or information. She is only trying to come at it from a differant angle and maybe show that it isnt just a clear cut case of not supporting the troops. Maybe she is wrong but your replies are utterly moronic and lack any degree of intellect.

"...My blog my rules..." - go back to the schoolyard you child. Hopefully you will block me too so that it'll quell any more urges i have to read your rubbish and whining blogs about Liberalism and how the 'greatest military in the world' is getting shafted 6 days from Sunday by some Iraqis with cap guns.

Heres 2 kudos out of pity.
 

"Shafted 6 days from Sunday..." Are you truly that misinformed? I don't see how we are being shafted by "Iraqi's with cap guns" when we kill more insurgents in one month than we have lost in the entire war. Furthermore, their cowardly IED attacks are just a tish more than a blast from a cap gun. Sounds like you need to find a new news source!
 

^ Another one bites the dust!

- Doc
 

That's true but the mandatory POA rarely covers major projects and is essentially in place to make sure the spouse can act on behalf of the deployed soldier- a pool project is not a common activity defined in most POA granted to spouses prior to deployment.

If they made the decision before Allen deployed, made sure base-legal had the proper language in the POA, then yes this is an issue.

I don't know all the details and before we aim all our guns full bore on a business (or anything for that matter), all the information is needed before acting.
 

I don't know what they are doing now, I left a year and a half ago. I know about 2 years ago a friend of mine had a general power of attorney and finance had just started requiring a special power of attorney and no longer accepting the general in regards to financial matters and pay inquiries. I would hope that it is a glitch that was fixed. But even so, the special power of attorney regarding finance isn't one for the homestead and, like I said, many companies are trying to prevent a soldier from getting wiped out or their own company getting shafted for not requiring both spouses to be there for major decisions regarding community property. Not all states are community property states but Texas is.

I didn't say all wives are bad. What I said was that enough of them are that business' around military bases have learned (through getting burned and watching soldiers get burned) to be prudent. Like I said, from a business stand point the pool can wait but a soldier getting wiped out can last a life time. They are erring on the side of caution.

D and I recently were looking into a pool and even with him being out of the service and me having POA they wanted us both here for the consultation. It's how businesses are here in Texas and it is a good business practice.