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Saturday, January 14, 2006 

Current mood:  contemplative
Category: Religion and Philosophy
Jehovah's Witnesses
They frequently claim to be able to support their doctrine by using only the Scriptures, however I have found that is not the case. Several of their key doctrines that have no support whatsoever in the Scriptures. My blogs will present a series of such doctrines. All Scriptures will be sourced from the New World Translation unless otherwise noted.

If you disagree, feel free to comment to your heart's content. Also, feel free to discuss this by email.

Judicial Committees
According to Jehovah's Witnesses, elders in the congregation serve as judges “to keep the congregation clean.” The purpose is ostensibly two-fold. They want to make sure the organization does not get corrupted and they want to protect the privacy of the accused wrongdoer.

However, the actual function, in practice, is to hide wrongdoing from the congregation and to escape the possibility of accountability to Caesar's law for how they handle the case.

There is no Scriptural basis for the following aspects of Judicial Committees:

  1. Elders acting in place of or on behalf of the individual members congregation in determining who is guilty and what the punishment should be.
  2. Conducting secret hearings, without allowing witnesses to the proceedings or allowing the proceedings to be recorded.
  3. Making a statement of the outcome (sentencing) and expecting congregants to abide by the elder's decision whether they know the facts of the matter or not.
  4. Ruling in favor of shunning ANYONE who voluntarily leaves, i.e. those who no longer call themselves a brother.

What do the Scriptures say about how to handle wrongdoing?
1. Elders acting in place of or on behalf of the individual congregants in determining who is guilty and what the punishment should be.
Matthew 18:15-17 — “Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.”
Comment —A primary text used in support of the “Judicial arrangement,” as it is called. Specifically, Jehovah's Witnesses teach that this type of sin would be a personal fault or offense, e.g. fraud. Still, they teach that the last step refers to bringing the matter to the attention of the elders in the congregation. This could only be true if "elders" equals "congregation."
2. Conducting secret hearings, without allowing witnesses to the proceedings or allowing the proceedings to be recorded.
1 Timothy 5:20 — “Reprove before all onlookers persons who practice sin, that the rest also may have fear.”
Comment —Does "reprove" mean to announce a decision reached in private? The Greek word elegche (from gr. elegcho) means to convict publicly, to bring to light, to find and reveal fault with. But don't take my word for it. Here is a list of other verses that use the same word: Matthew 18:15; Luke 3:19; John 3:20; 8:46; 16:8; 1 Corinthians 14:24; Ephesians 5:11, 13; 1 Timothy 5:20; 2 Timothy 4:2; Titus 1:9, 13; 2:15; Hebrews 12:5; James 2:9; Reveleation 3:19

"Before all" (gr. enopion panton) is translated simply "in sight of all" by the Kingdom Interlinear. Would this bring to mind a closed door trial before a tiny percentage of the congregation who act as Judge, jury, and executioner?
3. Making a statement of the outcome (sentencing) and expecting congregants to abide by the elder's decision whether they know the facts of the matter or not.
James 1:19 — “Know this, my beloved brothers. Every man must be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath;”

1 John 3:18 — “Little children, let us love, neither in word nor with the tongue, but in deed and truth.”

1 John 4:1 — “Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.”

1 John 4:18 — “There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside, because fear exercises a restraint. Indeed, he that is under fear has not been made perfect in love.”
Comment —How can we claim to love, as Jesus loved, if we allow the judgment of admittedly imperfect men to serve as our conscience and as basis for cutting off one we called our brother? I do not believe there is a need to belabor this specific point. Anyone who has a conscience should be able to discern the merit.
4. Ruling in favor of shunning ANYONE who voluntarily leaves, i.e. those who no longer call themselves a brother.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 — “In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? ‘Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.’”

Matthew 18:15-17 — “Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.”
Comment —If someone was calling themselves a brother, but they are not currently calling themselves a brother...are they to be viewed as worse than a “man of the nations [or] tax collector?” Would such a person not have returned to the world? Is Paul suggesting that we be mindful of our associations with those “called a brother” who could harm our spirituality, or is he suggesting that we cut off association with anyone who practices sin?
Feel free to email me. I look forward to considering your thoughts on the matter.
Miscellus

 
well stated!
 
Posted by Miscellus on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 7:56 PM
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*&*

 

Excellent analysis! It is important to me that the light of scripture be used to reveal the unscriptural practices of Jehovah's Witnesses as my close family are JWs and they shun me because they are taught "as doctrines commands of men" (Mark 7:7). They don't even know why they are shunning me except that they were told to do so by congregation elders whose judicial commitee meeting with me was so secret I didn't even know that's what it was.

I thought they were just coming to my apartment to see how I was doing after a serious car accident I was in. Even though I had not been involved with a JW congregation for several years, I had grown up with two of these three men and I thought they were concerned for my well-being. Turned out they just wanted to know if I still considered myself a JW and if I had been involved in any immorality that would scripturally free my ex-husband to re-marry. At the end of their "visit" they asked me to write a letter to the congregation formally disassociating myself. Instead, I wrote a letter refusing to do do so because of what such a course would do to my relationship with my mother which I was in the process of trying to restore. I assured them I was no threat to any congregation member nor to the reputation of any local congregations, but they disfellowshipped me without any advance notice or further communication.

Since their driving me further away, I have learned more and more about their unscriptural doctrines and practices, have become increasingly horrified, and now may very well become a far worse "threat" than they ever dreamed, just through my desire for the truth to be known. I love my old friends and family and all well-meaning JWs, but I do not love the Organization to which they belong, and I hope some day they will see just how unloving and unchristian it truly is.


 
Posted by *&* on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 9:30 PM
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Faithful

 

Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Christian denomination?

I find it hard to believe they can claim to be Christian in light of the following scriptures:

Matt 7:1-5 “Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but don’t notice the log in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and look, there’s a log in your eye? 5 Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

 Romans 2:1-6 Therefore, anyone of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things. 2 We know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth. 3 Do you really think—anyone of you who judges those who do such things yet do the same—that you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, restraint, and patience, not recognizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hardness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment is revealed. 6 He will repay each one according to his works

James 4:11-12 Don’t criticize one another, brothers. He who criticizes a brother or judges his brother criticizes the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?


 
Posted by Faithful on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 10:48 PM
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Dorinda
Dorinda Lytle

 

I was raised as a Jehovahs Witness, but, naturally, I no longer attend their meetings. Through much soul-searching, though, I do respect their beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I simply cannot follow any Christion based religion that follows any translation of the bible. However, I will say this:

While my mother made me attend the meeting three times a week, I never had a problem with the congregation. They all seemed to me like people who were just trying to serve God the best way they saw fit. I have seen people who would give the shirt off their back, and food from their table, and go out of their way to help a stranger, but with a sadness heavy in their heart, not associate with a member of their own family due to diaassociation for greivious wrong doing.
I personally have seen families pray together so the person in question will realize their error so everyone in the family can be together in the paradise on earth later. This truly can tear apart a family emotionaly. But I also admire these same people for sticking to their rigid belief structure and drawing strength from it and each other. While I know it is hard on the person who is being ostrachsized by everyone, people must also compare this to other religions. Excommunation from Catholic churchs, and, of course the way cults tend to dispose of those members who they find undesirable. This is a cross in between. My mother told me only the family members of that person could associate with that person, but no one else in the congragation could. I always accepted that fact, but never really cared a lot about it, because I never really cared about their beliefs.
I know the Brothers and Sisters of the group do rely on the Elders for guidance. I know they are chosen as Elders, much the same way one of the 144,000 are chosen.(However even an Elder can be cut-off.) I have seen many members abide by the Elders decision because it is what the Elders are there for, because they believe the Elders to possess certain insights and a better understanding of scripture that the rest do not. True believers of the faith are fine with this. It is true that an issue needing the Elders to step in isn't discussed openly among the congragation, primarly because even though the group does share the same religion, personal matters are not. That would be considered gossip and that is not allowed.

Of course, Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult,.... by definition. Their religion is less than 200 years old. Religion is something that affects everyones life. Sometimes not for the good. Like all cults there seem to be sects everywhere. I am from Texas and all the congragations in my hometown area seem to be the same. Recently I have moved to Alabama, and my friends boyfriends grandmother and most of his family are Witnesses. What he has told me about them is NOTHING like what I was raised to believe. So I do not know if anyone can understand what I have been taught to be the truth about the goings-on. It is probable no one can.


 
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Jerry

 
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