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Friday, November 21, 2008 

On the pains of investigating the paranormal scientifically

This blog entry is based on a comment I posted at the end of an article by US researcher Kevin Randle to do with the perception of members of the scientific community to the study of UFOs (Ufology).  However, what I had to say applies equally well to other areas of 'the study of the strange and the weird' (i.e. the 'paranormal') that falls outside mainstream and accepted scientific study.  You can see that original article here:  kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2008/11/science-and-chalatans.html.

I am a man of science.  My background is in astrophysics and theoretical physics and I am now a satellite ground systems specialist.  Like all scientists, I have been trained to apply knowledge and logic to solve problems.  However, the important point (often only realised after some time and experience) is the extent of this 'knowledge'.  Science has answered many questions over the past few hundred years but one suspects that we have only ever scratched the surface.  The problem is, of course, that we know what we've been able to achieve but we don't yet know what lies ahead to be discovered.  In the late 1800s, after James Clerk Maxwell unified electricity and magnetism, physicists considered that this, coupled with Newtonian mechanics and the supplementation of Kepler's laws, was all there was to know about the Universe and that future physics would be essentially a tidying up exercise; mere mathematical and experimentation cosmetics.  Then came Einstein's special, then general, theories of relativity and, of course, the quantum theory.  Back to the drawing board.  Then Big Bang theory, string theory (nay, theories!), the Many Worlds hypothesis, etc. etc.  That drawing board has been used many times in physics and experience suggests that it should be kept handy at all times!

And here's the problem.  People, educated in the sciences or not, do have a natural tendency to use their existing knowledge and opinions to view the world.  It's like the analogy of the person who drops their keys in the street at night and looks for them under a street light even though they dropped them in an unlit area (they look where the light is).

A clear example is the way people argue against the possibility of ET visitations.  I'm still open-minded as to whether or not we're being visited by ETs.  However, I do grow tired of people who say "ah yes, but even if life exists elsewhere in the Galaxy they won't be able to visit us because it'll take them too long to reach us, as Einstein has taught us".  But these people view the possibilities according to the street light; in other words, according to current knowledge and theories.  As physicist Michio Kaku has pointed out, if an ET civilisation was even a few hundred years more advanced than us we would not be able to apply our current knowledge to understand their capabilities, let alone to predict and anticipate them.  As the late Arthur C. Clarke once famously said, to us the capabilities of a suitably advanced civilisation would be indistinguishable from magic.

Another aspect of seemingly natural human thinking is an inability to look beyond what they believe or want to see.  I have assisted in paranormal investigations in the past and was often confronted with evidence (especially photographic) which is clearly something easily explainable.  No matter how convinced I am, how much I can prove it or how well I can explain it, people who want to believe (UFOs, ghosts, telepathy, ...) just will not accept it.  I always used to preach "look for the earthly before considering the unearthly", but have learnt that, while true, it is a largely wasted message on most people.  Conversely, I've seen evidence which I think is genuinely intriguing and which cannot be easily explained which "scientific" people dismiss without good reason.  So there really is little prospect for winning such arguments, either way.  All very frustrating but, I've learnt, inevitable.

I've come to the opinion that the vast majority of people are difficult (if not impossible) to convince, both for and against.  In the middle, there are a small number of genuinely open-minded, logical, realistic and inquisitive individuals who are prepared to (i) accept that they might have dropped their keys in the dark, and (ii) venture into the dark to look for them!  Therefore, those seeking to explore in the dark (i.e. the truth) should do so without worrying unduly about convincing the unconvinced!

Neil Jenkins


James
James Burke

 
I think the salient point to take from this is that when venturing out at night with your keys, you should always remember to carry a torch in another pocket.

 
Posted by James on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 6:48 AM
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Neil Jenkins - Dandelion Radio

 
Thanks, James! I guess my point is that most people either don't think to take the torch with them or deny themselves the belief that the torch might be necessary (or even just a good idea)!

That's the trouble with using analogies - they can end up detracting from the original argument! :-(

Neil
 
Posted by Neil Jenkins - Dandelion Radio on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 6:53 AM
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zombie jesus

 
so true. that being said, i personally have given up on trying to seek any truth from this particular subject matter and only read about it as a hobby. chances of any interaction with a life form not of this planet are so monstrously gargantuan i don't see any reason to do otherwise.

 
Posted by zombie jesus on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 2:49 PM
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Harry Dale
Harry Dale Huffman

 
I am an independent research scientist with new knowledge that affects the UFO/extraterrestrials question.  I am pleasantly surprised to find this positive comment by Neil Jenkins about the need to explore and learn more, not cut off all hope of learning by dismissing the subject.  I noticed one recent comment here, so for anyone who may come this way again, I leave word of the new knowledge I have uncovered, which, confirming Mr. Jenkins' concluding opinions, almost no one wants to hear, much less look into:  Check out my new blog at http://theendothemystery.blogspot.com, and my challenge to science there, and info about my books and articles at http://www.lulu.com/hdhsciences and on Amazon.com.
Harry Dale Huffman, author of "The End of the Mystery" and "Ancient Messages:  A Field Guide to the Design of the Earth".

 
Posted by Harry Dale on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 5:20 PM
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Neil Jenkins - Dandelion Radio

 
Thanks for your comment and the kind words therein, Harry.

I have no opinion on your work yet as I have only just found your comment and have yet to read the contents of your blog link.

By the way, for anyone interested to see what Harry has to say, his link seems to contain an error.  It should be http://theendofthemystery.blogspot.com.  Of course, the contents of that link are Harry's opinions and not mine, but let's keep the debate and discussion as open as possible unless something can be correctly refuted.  I'll post back when I've had time to have a read.

Best regards,
Neil

 
Posted by Neil Jenkins - Dandelion Radio on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 5:29 PM
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Stephen
Stephen Tashiro

 
I've been amusing myself for the past week or so by posting the following idea at various places on the web.  Since you are man of science, I think it appropriate that I inform you about it.   (I'd really like an opinion on the fechnical feasibility of this idea.  However the way it's turning out, conventional people ignore it and those with interests in UFOs prefer to bicker among themselves about the existing scraps of anecdotal information rather than collect data like ordinary scientists.

Passive Radar Detection At Home

The objective of “Passive Radar Detection At Home” is to make a constantly updated radar map of air traffic available on the web. This map would not be a “real time” map. It would have a time lag similar to the lag in weather radar maps on the web.

What is the use of doing this? I just think it would be a neat thing to watch. Perhaps archives of the map could be used to investigate aircraft disappearances or accidents. On the other hand, I suppose many government agencies would argue that such a map would be a bad thing and try to censor it.

The method for producing the map is suggested by the “SETI At Home” project and also by a paper on “Passive Radar Detection” on the website of the National UFO Reporting Center. People that believe we are visited by extraterrestrials would probably be interested in using the map to investigate UFO incidents.

“Passive Radar Detection” is a well known idea. In such a system, you don’t build any equipment to emit radar signals. Instead you use “public” sources of signals like commercial radio stations or radar transmitters belonging to other people. You put some antennas near the sources to get a reference signals. Ideally, you put other antennas in places where they only get theses signals if they are reflected from aircraft. Or you may have receivers that filter out the direct signals. By doing computations that compare the reference and reflected signals, you can find aircraft locations.

“SETI At Home” is socio-technical project. Signal data (received from space) is collected at a central location. The data is sent out over the web to people who volunteer the use of their computers. It is processed and the results are sent back to a centralized location.

The idea that I call “Passive Radar Detection At Home” is a reverse-analogy to “SETI At Home”. Recruit volunteers all over the world to attach radar receivers to their PCs. They will collect the signal data and send it back to a central location for analysis. At the central location, aircraft locations are plotted and the map is drawn. The results are published on the web.

Hopefully, a volunteer's radar receiver could be a simple device, not a big scanning dish. The PC would run software to transmit data about received signals over the web to the the site that analyzes data. It would also do other simple functions. For example, if the job of the volunteer site is to receive reflected signals, the software could decided when it was worthwhile to send information over the web vs when the site is only seeing empty sky.

Data would include a time stamp since the site that analyzes the data can’t rely on getting the information instantaneously. This means that each volunteer site would need to have an accurate clock.

Since this is a socio-technological idea, some the “socio” aspects are interesting to discuss. However, at the moment, I’m mainly interested in whether the “techno” side is feasible.

I suspect that radar specialists will take a dim view of it. The business of having dispersed recievers that may turn off or on, each one possibly having different specs - it just sounds like bad design. However it might interest mathematicians and computer scientists who like the challenges of noisy data.


 
Posted by Stephen on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 9:21 AM
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