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Nubian Queen



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Gender: Female
Status: In a Relationship
Age: 26
Sign: Aries

City: RENO
Country: US
Signup Date: 11/24/2004
Tuesday, October 03, 2006 
This is a comment I posted in the blog of Dr. David Yeagley, a self-hating Commanche Indian. 

First off, I'd just like to know why you are so self hating. 
Seondly, you could very easily make some very convincing arguemnts and win more people to your side without insulting entire groups of people.  You have this idea that ndn's lack patriotism and harbor too much animosity toward White Christians.  Fine.    I'm all for racial understanding and love of country.  So what purpose does perpetuating native  stereotypes serve?  We have a right to be angry.    We have a right to have our story told.  When Columbus reached the outskirts of the North American continent, his attemts to enslave and convert the Arawaks was the initial nudge in the domino effect that eventually caused the utter degradation and slaughter of millions of native people across the entire North American and South American continents. He wasn't simply an ambitious sea voyager. He may not have had the intention to cause genocide when he set sail from Spain, but he knew what the hell he was doing when he set sail back for Europe.  So yeah, our people have a right to hate this man, regardless of whether or not we ever met him.  I abhorr Adolf Hitler, but I am not a Jew.  
More than anything, your ideology makes me sad.  Instead of promoting understanding and reconciliation you promote racism via self hatred and worship of the white man.  You think ndn's are inferior because you obviously view yourself as inferior, and so you've dedicated your life to be the native equivalent to an Uncle Tom.
So instead of throwing and insult your way and bringing myself to your level, I will say that I'm sorry your life turned out the way that it did, and that the beautiful native girl from your youth left you for another was the cause.
Hank

 
self hating?  Mr.Yeagly is a very modest and well spoken NDN (cute term).  You fit the stereotypical "university Indian" from what I gather.  You show your true colors by ending your comments with a personal insult to the good Doc. 

Finally - your statement "I'm sorry..." is a GROSS UNDERSTATEMENT of your status among humanity.  Have a nice life - maybe you'll heal.

HDK

 
Posted by Hank on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 4:29 PM
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Nubian Queen

 
I'm not being sarcastic when I wish to ask you: what is your point?
What exactly is my "status among humanity? I actually meant it when I said I was sorry, sorry for the way his life turned out.
I can't dispute that Dr. Yeagley is a well spoken Indian man, but correct me if I'm wrong, but in the way that you use the term "well spoken," I can't help but get the impression that you're using the phrase in the sense that certain racist whites refer to people like Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice as "well spoken" as opposed to your "average ignorant, inarticulate minority."

And please define "university Indian." Compared to what? A reservation Indian? A Cleveland Indian? Or is it a reference to me being some sort of left-wing pseudo intellectual, black rimmed glasses-wearing hipster? Because believe me, as liberal as I am, I can't stand those types as much as the next conservative. But don't expect me to take you seriously if you're using my choice to use a college education to forward my upward mobility as a means to attack me.

And from what is it that I need healing? Maybe you're not aware that the man that you so vehmently defend spouts nothing but hate for not only his fellow indians, but women and other minorities. He tries to convince us that white women are naturally more beautiful as a matter of fact, and he still refers to Blacks as "Negroes," along having nothing but discontempt for the Black race. I'm going to assume that it is for these reasons you revere this man, so in reality there really is no point in trying to argue my case any further. If the fact that I stand for racial and gender equality is what needs healing, then let me stand wounded. I could care less at any further attempts of yours to downplay my statements by referring to anything I say as "cute." I get that word often; it comes with the territory of being an intelligent outspoken female in the white-male dominated world that I threaten.

I'm giving you a chance to be more explicit in your reasoning for the remarks you made towards me. Even if I can't sugarcoat the remarks I made towards Dr. Yeagley, at least I had historical knowledgeas a basis for my comments. In your comment, however, there seemed to be no central point. You gave no reasons as to why this man deserves the title of the "good" doctor. I'd like to know: Are you a native? If so, why do you follow this man's ideology? Or are you a white man who views this man as your right wing indian puppet? I mean, how am I wrong? If this man is callused enough to spread this hate mongering, then he damn well knows the repurcussions.
 
Posted by Nubian Queen on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 11:24 PM
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Hank

 
My point to rebut your attack.  Your status among humanity is dependent on one's perspective; from mine your status is liberal jack-ass.  This is based on lowest level of logical argument, pathos, or depart from reason to attack on a personal basis, that you exhibited.
"Well spoken" is a realtive term meaning easily understood and logically sensible.  Educated, articulate, lucid, logical, persuasive.  Nothing to do with racism.
"University Indian" - full of liberal ideas, biased and closed minded to the point of being bigotted.  Not necessarily educated. (i.e. Russell Means spelling?)  Education is good - you go girl!
I wish you would seek to preserve your identity and diversity - embrace it.  Doc Yeagley doesn't spout hate but promotes pride and individualism.  A closed mind is a serious wound and is not a direct threat to me, however it can do harm overall.
What does it matter if I am native?  You should hate without regard to my geneology.

BTW - discontempt is not a word.
 I have a little sister who is retarded and she plays just fine without your judging.

HEAL YOURSELF - HDK



 
Posted by Hank on Monday, October 09, 2006 - 3:14 PM
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Dagney

 

I'm sorry, Adrienne, that you do not see Dr. Yeagley as a bonefide expert.  The man has a PhD. in history.  You choose to ignore history.  Dr. Yeagley is not a hate monger.  He's a realist.  You, my dear, are an immature idealist.  Being an idealist is not a bad thing, unless you refuse to acknowledge reality.

As a mature woman, I can tell you are a very young woman.  How?  Because you believe in the myth that men and women are equals.  Of course we are not equal, God did not intend for us to be equal.  We have equal rights under American laws, but we are not equal. I have been an outspoken woman, even to the extent that I was called an emasculating b*tch, but I am wise enough to appreciate the differences in male and female.   


 
Posted by Dagney on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 12:39 PM
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Nubian Queen

 
You have no idea how much you made my day.  You just validated every point I made about people like you.  It's kind of like...watching a retarded kid play basketball.  But don't get me wrong...that comment is far more insulting to a retarded person.

By the way, you and I obviously do not have the  same God.

Thanks for the laugh, kid!


 
Posted by Nubian Queen on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 4:44 PM
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Dagney

 

Your laughter belies your immaturity. 

I should have qualified "equal".  Men and women are equal in God's eyes, both we created in His Image.  Man and woman are made to be One, in their marriage, as together they complete His Image.  One without the other is incomplete. (Gen. 2, 21-24, Matthew 19, 4-6).  Women have strengths that men do not have, men have strengths that women do not have, they are stronger together than separately.  Ever asked yourself why in Islam women are kept weak and separate?  Ponder on that one for awhile.  Women civilize man's baser nature...or that was the original intent. 

It's your path to choose.  To paraphrase the old saying;  If one is not a liberal in their 20's, they have no heart.  If one is not a conservative by the time they are 40, they have no brains.  Time will tell, in your case.


 
Posted by Dagney on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 8:59 PM
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Nubian Queen

 
I must have nothing better to do.

What's with your overuse of the word immaturity?
I simply do not believe in this man's ideology, because it sickens me, and my age or wisdom really has nothing to do with that. Is bigotry characteristic of old age?


And even if you throw a thousand bible passages my way about gender equality, how then do you condone his discontempt for minorities?

My boyfriend is a conservative, and I respect his views because he doesn't feel that sexism and racism naturally blend with the conservative stance. He wants nothing more than to distance himself from your type of extremist views that soil the right.

Call me whatever you want, although I think you need to look up the definition of maturity, because it sure as hell doesn't fit the context your statement. Maybe you should reread your comment and recognize the irony between calling me immature and then stating that a liberal has no brains. Ponder on that one for awhile.
 
Posted by Nubian Queen on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 10:32 PM
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