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Gender: Male
Status: Single
Age: 37
Sign: Scorpio

City: Los Angeles
State: California
Country: US
Signup Date: 4/16/2006

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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 

Current mood:  bullied
Category: Blogging
I haven't updated my blog lately... as most of you know, I communicate with you all through commenting. I should blog more. Well, I am adding the following today because people should "know what is going on in this country" AND Cory Doctorow over at www.boingboing.net is linking here...Cory is a fantastic writer and author of a new book entitled "Little Brother" which tells the story of young people who use homebrew technology to restore their civil liberties after a police crackdown on terrorism...(that's the official logline from boingboing.net...great site, and also check out Cory's site, www.craphound.com). I emailed him earlier today and he wanted to link to the story about what happened to me on the Redline the other night...some of my friends have already heard the story:


Well last week here in Los Angeles, I was waiting to board the redline (subway) and snapped a picture with my cell phone camera. I wasn't going for a real composition...I was just putzing around, waiting for the train, holding a quizno's to-go bag. Almost immediately, a vest wearing man with METRO emblazoned on his back who had been mopping the area nearby rushed up to me and the exchange went something like this:
Him: Hey! It's against the 9-11 Law to take pictures down hear man!
Me: You mean the Patriot Act?
Him: No pictures.
Me: Could you explain? What law do you mean?
Him: You are lawyer?
Me: No.
Him: No pictures. You could be a terrorist. Very strict!
Me: How about I take a picture of you?
Him: F**k you...(I couldn't believe it either)
He then proceeded to huddle in the corner and speak into his radio. Next thing I knew, a booming female voice very loudly announced over the loudspeaker "Attention to the gentleman in the plaid shirt: You are not allowed to take photographs in the Subway. You will be arrested if you continue to take photos and harrass the metro worker."
I was incensed/surprised/embarrassed/horrified/bewildered. People started staring.
Then the voice continued: "The gentleman in the plaid shirt: You must approach the callbox near the escalators and speak to the sheriff." I didn't budge. So she said it again, this time louder...
"Okay" I thought, I'll play along...I went up to the callbox and pushed the button. A new voice this time, this one male, boomed out and said, "Why are you taking photographs sir?"
Me: "What law am I breaking?"
Voice: "You can't take pictures sir, we don't know why you are taking pictures."
Me: "Well what about the commercials I've seen filming down here?"
Voice:" They have permits sir"
Me: "Well maybe I should get a permit, but I really don't think I need one for taking a cell phone picture..."
Voice (now mockingly): Well maybe you should go and get a permit sir."
Me: "What law am I breaking, why can't you tell me? It's is NOT illegal to take a picture down here."
Voice: "It is in this station." Then silence. He hung up.

Once I got home I called the metro security number that I saw on a "We're watching, are you?" poster (shiver) inside the train and asked what the law was. The operator said she'd never heard of one, then said she didn't know for sure, then apologized for the guy cursing at me, and gave me the sheriff station...I called and spoke with a Deputy and told him what had happened and he stated that "there is no such law."

I'm wondering if any of your Los Angeles readers have had similar experiences? Being suspected of something no matter what you are doing is a real annoyance. And it's scary. What's even more annoying and scary is that the people who control the cameras and the spaces we find ourselves in on a daily basis are uniformed zealots, ready to cite laws they no nothing about and do so without check. I complained to the Metro's "Complaint Department" and didn't even hear back. The only apology I got was from the lady I spoke with that answered the security line, and she was aologizing for the fella who cursed me out...

Is this still America? Does taking pictures of the subway tunnels with a cell phone and holding a quizno's to go bag automatically place you in a suspicious category?! Am I going to be tracked everytime I get on the train from now on?! Will I get put on a "no-train list?" Give me a break!

(P.S.) The offending picture is in "mypics"
Danforth
Danforth France

 
Next time I'm on the subway, you know I'm gonna take pictures.
 
Posted by Danforth on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:09 PM
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Aaron

 
I think it's high time those of us in LA stage a photography mob: what will they do when hundreds of angelenos *armed* with cameras flood the redline, blueline, etc metro stations and snap a bazillion photographs? what then? that's my kind of peaceful protest.
 
Posted by Aaron on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:12 PM
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The Big O

 
I'm waiting for the day they rip out our eyes because "you're looking at that too much!"
 
Posted by The Big O on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:40 PM
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Keith

 
Oh and in addition to my misspellings...I thanked you for a comment that another person made (about quizno's/subway, blah blah...it's early)...I need coffee.
 
Posted by Keith on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 2:53 PM
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The Big O

 
LOL! No prob Keith. Keep fighting the man!
 
Posted by The Big O on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 7:56 PM
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emayoh

 
Thanks for posting. When's the Redline Photowalk?
 
Posted by emayoh on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:53 PM
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Leo♂

 
Actually, I don't feel 'protected' in this country [my own]. I *do* feel, however, that the USA is *very inexperienced* in the police state business. At least compared to some of the countries I've lived in / travelled thru.
 
Posted by Leo♂ on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:59 PM
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drew

 
I'm taking my camera with me on the train from now on.
 
Posted by drew on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 7:26 AM
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Obey SG

 
From what I know about shooting tv and film in LA, you do need a permit to shoot video, or film production in public, but absolutely no permit to shoot still photos in the city.
 
Posted by Obey SG on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 7:58 AM
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Justin
Justin Moore

 
I had a similar experience, only it was a bus terminal.
Some "official" flagged over a cop.
The officer laughed at the man.
It felt nice... then I took the man's picture.
I wish I still had that picture :)
 
Posted by Justin on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 2:12 PM
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Mike Self Photography
Mike Self

 
Well, Quiznos IS Subway's competition.


Seriously though, this is exactly why I constantly walk around in a nervous state whenever I'm carrying my camera. My wife (also a photographer) hardly seems to have the same problem. At 5'2" and 100-lbs., she could very well be a cleverly disguised terrorist, yet she has never even received a second glance from any security personnel on any Metro lines that she has taken photos on. As soon as I pull out my camera, however, well you know how that goes.
 
Posted by Mike Self Photography on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 7:29 AM
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PKM

 
It seems there's a similar sentiment in the UK on the London Underground- admittedly we did have the 7/7 bombing so I understand the reasoning behind it, but it does still seem overzealous. There are posters inviting members of the public to report people taking photos to the police, though, which have attracted a fair share of criticism and parody:

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/04/london-cops-declare.html for Cory D's post on the original posters
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/05/remixing-the-london.html for the "remixed" versions. I'd love to replace one of the original posters with one of these and see how long it takes people to notice :)
 
Posted by PKM on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 11:15 PM
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Sean Everett
Sean Everett

 
I can understand the point of the Metro employee. Why on earth would you goad him into using the "F" word at you. You should be ashamed.
 
Posted by Sean Everett on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 4:51 PM
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Jay
Jason Harris

 
Hey there,

This happened to me once in Baltimore Maryland, I was living in Owings Mills (which is a ritzy suburb) of Baltimore county, on my way home I noticed the train car I was in on the MTA was car # 180 (like the one in the final destination movies right!!) so at the next platform I stepped off the car, and started to take a picture of this subway car, to my bad luck a man coming from the maintenance garage above this station approached me. He said I could not take a picture, I asked him why. He then showed me an ID (he was an MTA security chief) and said I needed to stop taking photos. I told him I was not harming anyone by my photo, also telling him I was within the photographer’s rights. It was then he produced a radio and started to call MTA police, when I finally conceded (not looking for trouble) I told him I wanted pictures of the subway. He suggested going to their website to get some images they had of stock photos of the trains.


FYI (I am a member of the AP and I will NEVER let anyone pull that sH#$% with me again)

Just wanted to share that with you, I never got a pic of subway car 180 lol

 
Posted by Jay on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 6:25 AM
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