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City: DENTON
State: TEXAS
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Tuesday, May 09, 2006 

Current mood:  hopeful
Preserve Denton
A community coalition for the cultural and economic well being of Denton, TX


The Fry Street Proposal

The Fry Street District is a historic part of Denton that has great cultural and economic value.  It is where many musicians and artists find their start, and where collegiates and town residents alike gather to celebrate during the evenings and weekends.  Fry Street is the heart and soul of Denton culture.  But it is in danger of being razed to the ground and replaced with townhouse apartments.

Click to see the proposed construction plans.  The bottom link is the plan in PDF.  Also, here is an article from the developer's point of view.  And here's an article from the NT Daily.

But can it be stopped, and if so, how?  Yes, it can be stopped, but only by community involvement, letting our city council know where we stand.  Preserve Denton has developed a 3 phase plan to accomplish this task of guarding Denton's identity and economic health:
3 Phase Plan

Phase 1.  Influence who is in our city government through voter participation. (MOST URGENT)

Phase 2.  Raise awareness in our community as to the historic, cultural, and economic value of key sites such as the Fry Street District.

Phase 3.  Attending city council and zoning meetings to put pressure on the council to deny proposals that hurt our community.


PHASE 1: Municipal Elections

This Saturday, May 13, is the Denton municipal elections.  Our city council in recent years has not made wise business decisions, but caters to big business ventures that ultimately harm our community.  There are, however candidates that are sympathetic to the history and culture of Denton; people that, if elected, would be a valuable assest in opposing the destruction of the Fry Street District, people that may be willing to actually listen to the community (see their webpages below in links):

Justin Bell for Mayor
John Paul Eddy - place 5
Shelley Shay - place 6


Historically, voter turn out is very small.  That means that a relatively small group of voters elect our representatives, which is good news to us.  If we can amass a significant voter turnout for this election, we can get those corporately driven members off of our council.

How?  By specific campaigning.  While it is true that not everyone in Denton cares about Fry Street, everyone in Denton does care that it is a safe place to live.  Candidates Bell, Eddy, and Shay have the official endorsement by the Denton Police Officers Association (DPOA) for their position to give the police a long overdue raise (5yrs) and support the police & fire departments better than the current council.  This means that the police will be better cared for, happier, and thus better able to SERVE the community.  But what does that mean for voting?

That means we can truly tell the public that these candidates will secure a better, safer Denton for everyone, and deserve our votes.

The Plan: what to do  

1.  Request/Add PreserveDenton to your friend list; send out bulletins to all your friends to see this page and link them to it; link us to all your other blogs and net media (Facebook, Xanga, email, etc); add this to your top 8.  Do this today, we have very little time!

2. Then get it to the community: use this downloadable flyer, share it with your neighborhood, tell them to vote THIS Saturday.*  A few people cannot reach all of Denton, but if everyone just visits their block or apartment, we can reach many registered voters.

3. VOTE:  This Saturday May 13, go to the polls and vote!

-Not sure if you are registered? Find out here.

-Not sure where to vote?  Voter Locations and a A Better Map.

-Not registered? Go influence people around you in your community that are.

-Too young to vote?  Young MySpacers, now is the time to nag your parents for a change!  Get them to go vote!


We must get out and vote.  If you want to save Fry Street, this is not the time for apathy.  With your involvement we can save Fry Street!!

*Important Note: for anyone going door to door--do so at regular hours and be friendly to everyone, even those who yell and slam doors in your faces. A friendly smile speaks volumes.  Remember that you represent the people that can help us save Fry Street.

Links

Justin Bell- at Myspace
Shelley Shay- campaign blog
John Paul Eddy- campaign website

Denton City Website- hard to find stuff, but worth investigating
Denton County Elections- for voter registration information
Denton Record Chronicle- search articles (Fry Street, Denton elections, etc.)
League of Women Voter's Guide- a great guide from the League.

The Mad Scientists

 
Not to dimenish the importance of voting but what about making up a flyer to take around to Denton residents that has the informations about what is going on with Fry St. There are residents who care about not just Fry St. but the coporate invasion of Denton that do not have myspace yet the Denton Record Chronicle is not covering this story. Perhaps we could meet up (Sunday, maybe) then divide up into small groups (its not a good idea to go door to door by yourself) and go to different sections of town, give out the flyer, and talk to the people. I would be more than happy to make the flyer. 
 
Posted by The Mad Scientists on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 4:06 PM
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Preserve Denton

 
Thanks for your comment, and you're right on.  There is more to this problem than just Fry Street, and Fry Street is just the start.  Coming soon will be information on such proposals as the Wal-Mart/Sam's Club to be built on Bonnie Braie where the pasture is located. 

We have flyers to be distributed to local businesses Wednesday Morning to raise awareness of the Fry Street issue.  We also have several people working trying to get articles into the Denton Record Chronicle and the Dallas Observer.  But we definitely need more help.  We would love to meet up in the future to get ideas to reach the community to keep Denton from becoming a typical suburban city.

The first part of the plan though is the vote, which is really important, and takes place THIS SATURDAY!  I know time is short, but if you can gather friends to go out into your neighborhoods together before Saturday to make an impact on the elections, that would be the best thing.  If you want to meet up on Friday, it may be possible to get some people organized to distribute flyers in specific areas in Denton; but again, if everyone goes to their own neighbors we can reach a much larger area.

Then in the near future we can get together and get a more organized group to go door to door raising awareness of what is happening in Denton, both with Fry Street and other commercial developments that may harm our community.

Thanks for your willingness get involved.  It's people like you that make Denton worth having.

 
Posted by Preserve Denton on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 5:59 AM
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Do not fucking call me Brandon

 
I am in England right now but will be moving back to Denton in about a month and can't imagine it without fry street. Is there anything I can do from across the pond?
 
Posted by Do not fucking call me Brandon on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:12 AM
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Display Name

 
One of the private buisness owners selling to the private company is on the city council. The only thing the city council has to do with the whole prossess is the zoning change required to build the residences. You would have to convince the city council not to do what this guy tells them to do. I think the best thing we could do seeing as how its really unlikely that we can stop this is just to not frequent the buisnesses put into th ground floor.
 
Posted by Display Name on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 4:15 PM
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Preserve Denton

 
Convincing the council is the best we can do.  And it is possible, this has happened before and the community has won.
 
Posted by Preserve Denton on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:08 AM
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chuck

 
This has probably been tried but-what about applying for historical status with the State of Texas? There are requirements for age and significance and I think some of the buildings would qualify.-Chuck Voellinger 940-453-9358 mistersnappy05@yahoo.com
 
Posted by chuck on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 5:12 PM
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If you aren't going to say something constructive, please keep your thoughts to yourself.
 
Posted by on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 3:10 PM
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The Mad Scientists

 
If enough people went to the city council/zoning commission on the night the change was supposed to be made and they brought well thought out cases against the zoning change then perhaps it could be vetoed. Its worth a shot because even if it fails at least in retrospect we would know we did something rather than sitting on complacent asses. The historic district thing has been tried in the past and failed from what I understand but it is worth another shot. If you go down to the historical commission (in the court house on the sqaure) they can provide you with the necessary paperwork, I believe.

Oh, and Mr. Denton Sucks, ever stop to think you might have something to do with that?

 
Posted by The Mad Scientists on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 11:12 PM
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Preserve Denton

 
Precisely.  After taking part in the elections to get decent people on our council, then we can inform the community and rally a large presence at these council/zoning meetings to convince them that the community does not want this.  It is at these meetings that the decisions are made, and that is where we will need to be.  
 
Posted by Preserve Denton on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:06 AM
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Grover

 
I'm all for saving fry street, but this guy legally owns the land.  It's already zoned comercial isn't it?  Is there anything we can really do?  Short of making Fry street a historical landmark, he's perfectly within his rights to pull down buildings on his own land.

Not to mention, election day happens to be graduation day.  I don't know about the other graduates, but my parents are going to be dragging me off to parties and dinners and such,  and I doubt I'll have five minutes to myself. 

 
Posted by Grover on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 12:55 PM
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The Incredible Hogue
Andy Hogue

 
Amanda, The company owns the land, but we can negotiate. Don't ever for a second doubt the value of negotiation. Where's your faith? Voting only takes a few minutes. Show up in your gown. :) Cognrats on graduating, by the way.
 
Posted by The Incredible Hogue on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:01 PM
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Bob

 

Yes... Please Vote.  The Fry Street area is Zoned DC-G, Downtown Commercial General, in the Downtown University Core Chapter 35.5.3 of The Development Code.  This purpose of this district is to encourage pedestrian friendly mixed use developments.  This area is also covered in The Development Plan under chapter 35.7.5, Fry Street Overlay District.  Some of the things allowed are, Maximum density, dwelling units per acre = 150; Minimum landscaped area = 15%; Maximum Building Height = 100 ft. All of this and more can befound on the City web site under planning. In order to have meaningful input you must get involved with the P&Z office as soon as possible.  Do not wait until this reaches the P&Z Board or the Council.  Input to the planning and zoning staff early in the process is critical.  All the Best, let me know if I can Help.


 
Posted by Bob on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:17 PM
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Todd
Todd Maternowski

 
I don't live in Denton, but what can we do with the Planning and Zoning commisson?
 
Posted by Todd on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:21 PM
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Kevin
Kevin Roden

 
I wouldn't get too crazy about the potential behind these candidates.  You surely have to watch empty promises from long-shot candidates looking for any cause to back them in order to solicit more votes.  Justin Bell's platform is a bit incoherent (lower taxes yet throw $$ to roads and fire/police dept... preserve the character of Denton, yet lower code standards to make it easier for big business to come to town).  John Paul Eddy was in the news lately for pushing a ban on public smoking in all Denton establishments - no doubt a cause that goes against many of the Fry Street regulars.  In short, don't put much stock in the outcome of this election to see results. 
 
Posted by Kevin on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 8:43 PM
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Johnny Holliday

 
Let's do it.
 
Posted by Johnny Holliday on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 4:07 AM
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Brandon
Brandon Hooten

 
What's up ryan? Let's boycott the new stores they build. They'll never make it if noone buys their stuff. We could make their life a living hell...
 
Posted by Brandon on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 2:08 PM
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Let's not wait until the new stores are built to boycott them. Let's put up a fight so that these stores will never be built at all. I think boycotting should be considered a last resort. Please get mad, people. Don't let these businesses roll over and die so that Starbucks can add another star to their map.
 
Posted by on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 3:09 PM
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The Incredible Hogue
Andy Hogue

 
... And let's do a "reverse boycott" of the Tomato, Bagheri's, et al., now and give them so much revenue that they will be able to afford to come back IF there are new restaurant buildings built. Let's work to pack the Tomato every night for the next 6-9 months. It's not Ski's fault. It's not Sid's fault. Lovelace is the one who sold out. So let's support these worried business owners and give them enough money to stay near campus.
 
Posted by The Incredible Hogue on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:05 PM
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Jacob the Jeweler
Jacob Jones

 
First off its too late to stop it .... Secondly what history  Most of the business they acquired havent been there more then 10 years ....Thats not alot of history.....Why would not want to change it .... It would raise the property value around it and all the other business on Fry would see a boom in business... Also the city isnt going to invest in fry or the surrounding area ... They put all their money into the square ... These developers will ... Now I understand alot of UNT students get their start as artist or musicians but how many of those people reinvest into their school as alumni...  Not many.... All and all I think it is a smart move by Denton and UNT ... Change is tough but sometimes necessary
 
Posted by Jacob the Jeweler on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 2:56 PM
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Preserve Denton

 

It is actually not too late to stop the development.  I have infomation from city employees that a zoning change is needed for the devlopment to get approval; with support from the community we can convince the zoning and planning comission to reject the zoning proposal change.  Though some individual businesses are less than a decade old, the run in the vein of the cultural history of this area of Denton.  These businesses are locally owned, which means that money flows back into the community, whereas national retail stores contribute far less back to the community due to corporate funding structures. 

But thank you for your comment, each has a right to his own.


 
Posted by Preserve Denton on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:46 PM
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Other businesses will not see a boom in business. In fact, these businesses will be hurt because their landlords will be able to charge them much, much more. I was talking with Jimmy from Kharma yesterday and he is very afraid of having to leave if the rent is raised. New businesses on hickory&fry will pay about three times what current businesses pay for their space. This is great news for the big dogs who rake in the rent, but very, very bad news for local business owners who are struggling to make ends meet.

Why not want to change it? Well, personally I would rather support local businessmen and women, who are members of my community and whom I know by name, than pour my money into a corporate giant. Also, do you really want to see these people's businesses taken away so that the world can have one more starbucks? Borders and starbucks (which, according to DentonRC coverage, are scheduled to arrive on Fry St. soon) are available everywhere in the U.S. and throughout the world, but the Tomato and Chopsticks are unique. When these businesses go down, they are extinct. Period.

I agree that change is sometimes a good thing. I do not think that driving out local businesses to make a few people a little richer is a very good thing at all.


 
Posted by on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 3:07 PM
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Check out DentonRC coverage of the story at www.dentonrc.com You have to login (it's free to set up a password if you don't already have one) and then search for the story. It's called "End of an Era on Fry Street." This lady is awesome, she appears to be very sympathetic to our cause and does a good job of presenting our view without looking like a radical.

The thing about this story that broke my heart is the quote from UNT President Pohl. I can't believe that anyone thinks it's a good idea to drive out local entrepenuers in favor of corporate giants because the giants are "upscale."


 
Posted by on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 2:58 PM
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Jacob the Jeweler
Jacob Jones

 

First off Jimmy is scared because he doesnt know how to run a business and is hurting right now.... He just lost inferno ... Secondly thats the local business owner fault if they didnt lock in a lease rate or sign a long enough lease .... I happen to work on fry street and everyone around here is excited about the new project except for a few people who would probably go out of business neways ...  As for the businesses that are being pushed out ... That free enterprise for ya ...  Land of oppurtunity but sometimes you gotta take ur lumps ... Where one door closes  another opens 


 
Posted by Jacob the Jeweler on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 3:16 PM
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katie

 

the new developer doesn't have to go to the city council.  this area is already zoned for "downtown center general" which means retail, restaurants, multifamily housing and private clubs.  the only chance for saving this area is to go the historical route that chuck mentioned earlier.


 
Posted by katie on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 4:05 PM
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katie

 

http://www.co.denton.tx.us/dept/main.asp?Dept=112


 
Posted by katie on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 4:19 PM
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Kevin
Kevin Roden

 
I retract my earlier comments about my concern for these challenger candidates.  After corresponding with Justin Bell and other incumbents, I have realized that Justin Bell and the other challengers are what Denton needs at this time.
 
Posted by Kevin on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:45 AM
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David

 

The currant city council is a very strong supporter of Fry Street. How do you think Fry Street Fair got back on Fry Street? These guys did that over the strong objections of the fire and police departments. Yes, the fire and police departments did not want Fry Street Fair. Several currant city council memers worked with the delta lodge, the fire and police departments to work out a solution and you got your fair back. I doubt seriously that the people you recomend would have had the clout to get this done. They are complete novices in the workings of city government. I would encourage you to find out just who your friends are before you go off the deep end.


 
Posted by David on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 3:00 PM
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Raven
Raven Oak

 
I'm trying to help as well. I have a website up at the moment, www.savefrystreet.com, with plans to get a petition going ASAP, get non-voting flyers up and out everywhere, and meet hopefully with others who want to help but don't know where to begin. I'll also be looking at meeting with Fry Street business owners (those threatened and those not) to help as well. I feel voting is important, but don't want people to shy away thinking this is a political driven protest. It's not just that but much more. I'd love for us to help each other because only with everyone working together will this work!
 
Posted by Raven on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 2:19 AM
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David

 

I do not understand how Fry Street is in trouble. Are you telling me that Fry Street is a building or a business?

Stores and shops have come and gone for ever, its the people that create the uniqness of an area. As long as the people go, the feel of Fry Street will be there. 


 
Posted by David on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:22 PM
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Jacob the Jeweler
Jacob Jones

 
OMG people ...  People think just because a few businesses will be gone that Fry street is dying ... Has anyone actually even looked at the plans ... Its gonna be a boom to Fry street to have it   You have built in clients in a 5 story apartment building right next door to the business that are still there .... I think most of the people just want a cause to rally around ... This is the whole reason why no businesses want to come to denton ... This isnt the 60's  and no matter how much everyone wants it to be   It cant be ...   Change is going to happen .. Sooner or later... Look at it this way ... The city doesnt collect funds on property taxes ... The county gets those ... The city only gets sales taxes ... Which means the more more these business generates the more more the city gets .... The businesses that are on Fry now do not generate that much revenue .... But maybe the new ones will  .... Its a benefit for everyone  ...  Except for people who just want Fry to be what they remember 
 
Posted by Jacob the Jeweler on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 2:57 PM
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TracyG - Photography and Design
tracy crouch

 
Just so you know, you are an ass. Fry St. doesnt need to have student housing on it and new businesses put in the place of the ones that are already, that are unique, and help the community. The city of Denton already has WAY too much in the way of student housing, and putting more on FRY ST. isnt going to be good. It's going to be a problem for parking, congestion and I would think all the mommies and daddies would be quite against thier kids living across the street from bars. The surrounding areas of Denton are being eaten alive by big business. I've seen so much change, not in a good way, in the three years I've lived here and I dont want anymore of its kind. For you to say that the businesses that are against this propostion are going under anyway is assinine. Personally I care a great deal about having a nice, safe, interesting place in my community and adding some big business and jacking up the "property value" isnt going to give me that, which I already have. Besides if property value goes up there, doesnt it effect the surrounding areas? Such as higher rent for everyone? I think I can live with out that quite nicely.
 
Posted by TracyG - Photography and Design on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 5:36 PM
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Jacob the Jeweler
Jacob Jones

 
Well then move to china because in america we have this thing called free enterprise ....Its not my fault that u cant afford to live in more expensive housing but I like nicer things and they are putting parking garages so it will actually help with parking .... I understand u dont want to see change but its like this Business is business ..... Local business get bought out...... The land they are on sometimes gets bought out ... They will just have to relocate ....Thats the way it goes .... It was just a matter of time before someone realized that there is alot of money to be made on Fry St. ... Its a very smart business venture and I respect that .... Im so tired of all these reverse-snobs ( people that are snobby to popular people because they assume because they dress nice and have money they are snobs ) acting like anything new is evil   and   big business is bad .... One day you guys gotta wake up and see that were not in 50s anymore  Corporate America is a way of life .... Need an example How is it that every land owner on Fry sold to this developer but 2 ....  and I bet it you had a lot on fry and they offered half a mil to a mil for it ..... You'd sell too
 
Posted by Jacob the Jeweler on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 6:30 PM
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Preserve Denton

 
Jacob,
Thanks for your comments.  You are intitled to them.  It seems that the question posed is who has the greater rights, the individual or the community of individuals.  If a man wants to come and build an apartment complex, or auto garage, or Wal-Mart, who has the greater right?  Ought one come and build against the wishes of the community?  Does not the collective have more power than the individual? 

The values of our society has greatly changed, you are correct.  The community has slowly over many years lost power to private interest and many communities have been usurped against their will.  The uniqueness of communities has been eroded into a conglomerate of national retail stores in which one cannot recognize whether he is in Phoenix or Tulsa.  In a land built on democracy, a goverment ruled by the people (plural), it should not be that a single interest can go against the wishes of the people.

Jacob, it seems that you have great business sense; you understand quite well the power of money and will do well in the corporate world.  But might I pose to you that you do not have a developed sense of community, or an understanding what makes a community rich, lively, and heathly.  Hint: the answer is not money.
 
Posted by Preserve Denton on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 5:33 PM
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Anthony
Anthony Toshach

 
if it werent mothers day this weekend i would help as well.  i've known a lot of people in denton who've come and gone from here..  and you know, i've never really hung out at fry street but it is a historical marker in my opinion. it's been around a long time and i would never wish it to go away.  another sad example about historical things going away was the strip on university, i mean hell, it was around since the 60's!!!    why did they have to go and "blow it up"? anyway, i'd be voting to keep fry street there. no doubt about it.
 
Posted by Anthony on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 2:52 PM
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Raven
Raven Oak

 
Um, other than voting, there's nothing big going on right this second. It will be a few days before the savefrystreet.com team hits the street or the petition is ready. You can still help.
 
Posted by Raven on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 2:30 AM
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TracyG - Photography and Design
tracy crouch

 
So why dont you vote? Mother's Day isnt until Sunday, the election is Saturday. If you care about Fry St, then take the 5 minutes it takes to get to the polling place, fill in the slots and drop it in the box.
 
Posted by TracyG - Photography and Design on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 5:28 PM
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Tommie

 

I am going to take issue with somethings that Jacob has said. I would like a definition of 'nicer things.' Is yet another Starbucks, amid the multitude that already exist, a nicer thing? Is yet another Borders, Walgreens, or CVS a nicer thing?

We can go to any number of these establishments in any mall or strip shopping center in the country. We already have several of them right here in Denton. But where are you going to find another Tomato? Where will you find another Mr. Chopsticks or Texas Jive?

As far as being able to afford upscale housing... Well you know sure we can get rid of all the affordable housing in Denton by turning every neighborhood into a haven for yuppies and the well to do. We can put in high cost student housing for those who are going to school on Mommy and Daddy's money. But are you going to bus in the people who are working at your 'nicer' establishments in from Krum or Lake Dallas? Because last I saw most of these chain stores have not decided to start paying 'upscale' wages to go along with their swank clientele. Where will the people who make your espresso and count your change for trojans and pepto bismol going to live? Pehaps you would like to open your own living space as a hostel for those who will no longer be able to afford to live in the Fry street district because of the 'nicer' things... No? Didn't think so. You can talk about free enterprise and liking the nicer things all you like, it is your right. It also is your right to remain blatantly ignorant of what makes a community more than just a place to store your stuff and go to sleep.

 


 
Posted by Tommie on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 8:03 AM
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Jacob the Jeweler
Jacob Jones

 

Hears the deal ....You live in a college town who is basically the financial backbone for the city ... There would be no chopsticks tomato or tj's if there wasnt a UNT so saying that upper class student housing should go somewhere else is ignorant.... As for my typing skills .... If thats the only flaws u can find in my statements then I must be doing something right ...  And the fact is the city is not going to oput its money into cleaningup Fry street ...They are going to put their money into the square ... And as for kids going to school on mommy and daddys money... Dont blame them for their parents having the foresight to plan for the future ...  As for it happening   Welll its going to happen .... I know I've prolly pissed alot of people off  but hey   I support free enterprise .... And its my opinion 


 
Posted by Jacob the Jeweler on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 11:39 PM
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TracyG - Photography and Design
tracy crouch

 
Hey, you might want to take notice that the Square you keep referencing, all the shops on it are not chains, they are small businesses, owned by locals. And if you cared to look around, there are communities with families living all around the area of Fry and the school. UNT students arent the only ones who spend thier money on Fry, and Fry St. Fair isnt attended by UNT students only, it's a commuity thing. Oh, and if you like high rise apartments and parking garages so much, then move to Dallas or New York. 
 
Posted by TracyG - Photography and Design on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:11 AM
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Mrs. C

 

I was born and raised in Denton and still love it.  And even though I live in Dallas now, I still make trips to specifically go to the Tomato.  I grew up going to Fry & The Tomato when I was in jr. high and high school.

This redevelopment plan must not happen - it will completely destroy the heart and soul of Denton. Denton is probably the only town in the DFW metroplex that actually has a personality of its own, and it is because of Fry. Fry Street Fair is a tradition that I grew up with - do you know how many big name bands and artists got their careers boosted by the Fair?  I can't see how the Fair could survive being in an area with a Walgreens and Barnes & Noble. Fry Street is all about individuality.  If redeveloped, Denton will be just like any other town: boring and generic.  Seriously - how many chain book stores, drug stores and coffee shops do we need?  The Mayor of Denton even said that we have plenty of student housing - so why build more?  I'm all for free enterprise, but I don't see how 
anyone can justify killing a town's personality.  There are other solutions - the City does not have to allow this - they can work at cleaning up Fry instead of tearing it down.  If there's a demonstration there, count me in.


 
Posted by Mrs. C on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 8:22 PM
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Jacob the Jeweler
Jacob Jones

 
Finally someone oppossing it with an actual logical argument ... The whole problem is that the city isnt going to invest its money into Fry St.    It puts all its money into the square because its a historical district ... Which will not happen on Fry St.  If more people like you would start thinking rationally and not so emotionally then maybe something could be done ... But the people that bought the land have just as much right to bulldoze it and do what they want with it as you have to redecorate your house that you bought  .... even if it had special meaning to the person who had it before you.... As for Tracy comments    I do plan to move to Nw York once i graduate thanks .....   and maybe you should check out Louisanna   They have great history ...  And look at this way  ... History is replaced with new history ... Im from a small town that hasnt changed in the last 100 years    without people bulldozing buildings and building new ones  we'd still be stuck in the 1800s ..
 
Posted by Jacob the Jeweler on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 4:13 PM
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I dont think we should STOP the reconstruction, per say. Just make a vote for them to just reconstruct. Rebuild the streets, rebuild the buildings, get a loan system for the business to remodel themselves, make the streets MAKE SENSE... but keep all our wonderful businesses! I'd love to see Fry Street seem as sclean as the square, but keep all its personality. I just dislike the fact that it seems like you could catch tetanus from wearing flip flops around there.

I'll try to represent at a meeting, but I'm too late to vote. Sorry. :.. AND, I'm an economics (development focus) major, and I know a teacher who might be able to help your proposal.  Jeffrey Rous teaches the Economics in Urban and Regional Development class, and I'm sure he'd have LOTS of ideas for you.

 
Posted by on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 8:29 AM
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