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Rosemary Nissen-Wade



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Gender: Female
Status: Married
Age: 70
Sign: Scorpio

City: Pottsville Beach, far north coast
State: New South Wales
Country: AU
Signup Date: 5/12/2006
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 
I used to refer to my youngest as The Prodigal Son. No longer!

Most of those who have known me for any length of time will be aware of what a troubled relationship we’ve had for the past ten years or so, the recurring pattern of it, and of the nightmare his last visit home became. (He lives overseas.) This post is mainly to update the caring friends who might be interested to know the sequel to all that. It’s also part of the process of closing the chapter for myself.

After that visit I told him that he could not come and stay with me again, and asked my other sons to please make sure that if ever I should need a carer, it would not be The Youngest. (I have been firmly reassured on that score.)

We had settled down in recent months to a fairly superficial but polite exchange of occasional, brief emails. After what we’d been through, I was happy enough with that.

In the last week, the following correspondence happened – certain personal details edited, obviously, for obvious reasons.


Skype Chat History with [The Youngest]

Created on 2009-10-13 20:24:55.

Youngest: 17:33:19
Mum.

Youngest: 17:33:34
How are you?

Me: 17:34:22
I'm good darling, but just rushing out to meeting. [The Spouse] is going to talk to his grand-daughters in a min. Before I go, how are you?

Y: 17:34:51
I am great, doing great in [city of residence].

Me: 17:34:57
Good!

Me: 17:35:18
Doing what great?

Y: 17:35:22
Coming to Australia in 3 weeks, I might visit if you want, for a few days only.

Y: 17:35:41
Work.

Me: 17:35:50
Triffic.

Y: 17:35:55
Creating value.

Y: 17:36:06
Getting into the system here.

Me: 17:36:18
No more house visits, I want to stay friendly.

Y: 17:36:18
Just work stuff.

Me: 17:36:33
Besides doesn't work much in this house.

Y: 17:36:48
OK your choice it is your house.

Me: 17:36:48
Gotta go. xxx

Y: 17:36:54 Bye.

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Email Sequence:


2009/10/13 The Youngest:

Mum,

It was with great sadness that I spoke to you on Skype. Your refusal to have me visit you is as close to basically ending our relationship as anything you could have done. I know that your Soul loves me. I also know that your Inner Child hates me. I ask it to be honest. I ask it to question its own lies. You are a massive liar. You are a child caught in an 8 year old's moment of seeing your father making love to another woman not your mother. You made his action the truth to keep loving him and the rest of your life has been that lie. My ex girlfriend has done the same with her father. She has loved him so much creating a world where his actions are the truth and everything else is a lie. You are two children living in the lies of your father. I am sad for you.

Here is an email to her about you in part:

Subject: The Inner Battle

[Ex-G],
I sent you an email I sent to [best friend] to show you that we are always talking about you. I have spoken to [him] about you for 9 months. You are the most important person to me and everything I have been through with you has had only one desired outcome. That is for you to release the lies of your inner selves and become the true self I adore. It is always about me and you living together with inner bliss and happiness and eternal love. I have fought a war with you that you are fighting inside. The Soul, the Inner Child, the Conscience, and the Social Rules. The 4 parts of your inner battle. I have released the Inner Child when I lived with my mother. I have released the Social Rules when I went traveling. You are still fighting this battle. I love your soul and that causes me to engage in this battle with you. Unfortunately my mother showed me that there are those that refuse to win this battle. They are only their Social Rules or their Inner Child and their true Soul is dead to the world. Their conscience is overcome by their Inner Child and truth is meaningless. Considering my mother she is a child that lies to the point of hallucinating about facts yet if you ask her about herself she is a spiritual healer. She continuously changes facts for lies to create an "I am always right" existence. It took working with her daily for 2 months for her to even ask the fundamentally simple question "What if I am wrong?" Even then she refused to answer it. You also avoid this question "What if I am wrong?"

[Y]

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For the record – when I was 4 (not 8) I saw my father and my visiting aunty (his sister-in-law) lying on the carpet together, didn’t understand what I saw, did mention it to my mother. Aunty’s visit ended suddenly. It was decades later that my mother reminded me of this and told me the full story.

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On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:20 PM Me:

Dear [Y]

Seeing you come on Skype, I felt the usual surge of affection. I don't want to end my relationship with you; I want to keep it on the basis it has been these last few months. I'll always want to know how you are, where you are and what you're up to. I think you also want to know these things about me from time to time.

Denying you access to my home is in the interests of keeping things on a friendly basis between us. It became very clear on your last visit that we can't be under the same roof in peace and harmony, and I told you after that visit that I would not have you to stay again. It is sad, yes, and it will not change, not even if you arrive on my doorstep without a bed for the night, so please stop trying it on.

I'll always love you, and I know you will me. The sad truth is that we don't much like each other.

I'm not going to enter into any further discussion on this.
Love, Mum

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Date: 2009/10/14 Y:

Mum,

The only basis on which we have a friendship is your honesty with me. Refusing me access to your home is about you avoiding the truth. The last time I was there you admitted so many things that you had been lying about. When I left you went back to lying. The reason you do not want me in your life is that you are a liar and I confront you with the truth. It is better that you simply cease to exist for me. Your lying is your life. You are an 8 year old child lying. Your whole life is a lie. I know that now. I see it for the truth. You are a liar. I do not want your lies in my life. It is better we never speak again. Your love is unwelcome in my life. I choose the love of an honest woman not the love of a liar. You loved your Dad. He was a liar. You modeled your life on it. I massively thank you for showing me the consequences of lying. It eats at your soul. You are the most miserable person I ever met. I choose truth. Regardless of the fact that you gave birth to me that does not give you the right to treat me badly. Your lies are the death of love. I end this with a fundamental understanding of the truth of True Love. You never loved me as you never loved yourself. You live your life inside of a self created lie. Whatever happens to you I want you to know that when you die I will be more happy that you are gone than upset as conforming to your lies for 38 years was a massive detriment to my life. You sucked the truth out of my life. You are an evil woman. You are a selfish woman. You are a delusional woman. You pretend you are a spiritually pure Reiki Master to hide the fact that you are a liar to your husband, to your sons and to yourself. I reject your lying. Goodbye.

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I was just numb after this last arrived. The following morning I started thinking of the delightful little boy and lovely young man he was, and found myself having a good howl under the shower, then did a lot of sobbing to my Spouse [stepfather of my children]. (Yes, I mean Andrew. This is reposted from another site where I don't use names.) I wasn’t so much upset by the verbal abuse – which I am well used to from The Youngest by now – as horrified at myself, that I should have reached the point of denying a child of mine access to my home. Even whilst being sure it was necessary, I felt it was the worst thing I’d ever done as a mother. Then my older son pointed out that his brother is a man of 40.

“You are not a mother depriving a child in dire need. You are asking for the space you need from a fellow adult.”

He, his foster-sister, various close friends, and of course The Spouse have been very loving and supportive, and have talked a lot of good sense.


“Move on,” they suggested.

It seems to all of us that Y is unlikely to change. Some people think he may be bi-polar, others that he could be autistic, or suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. We’ll probably never know for sure. The Youngest despises psychologists and psychiatrists, and believes he is his own best counsellor.

Anyway, I thought that was that. Relationship over. Correspondence concluded. Then came the next onslaught:


2009/10/18 Y:

Rosemary
This is a skype chat with my friend about Ex-Girlfriend who I have ended all relationships with today as she continuously lies to me. It may help you understand my choices in ending my relationship with you. Given the significance of my choices I think I owe you some explanation. It has an important honest true message for you that will most probably upset you. It is your choice if you choose to read this email. Either way I want you to know that I am choosing the people that I deal with based on the rule of honesty and truth with me and themselves. That means you are no longer welcome in my life. Thank you for my life's experiences and being. You do not need to respond to this. Know that I did truly love you for a long time. I just choose truth.

Y

Y:
Ex-G went out last night to meet this celebrity guy she said she wanted to hook up with. Hook up with means kiss and maybe sex. I told her that I knew it was not just a desire to screw around, that she is looking for another man to love to avoid her love for me. I told her that if she went she would know she does not love him but I would not be there waiting. I told her that I am not a Plan B guy. I told her that she will always be looking for a better guy who ticks all the boxes and that she will never embrace her love for me. She went anyway, found that she did not love the guy, and then told me she loves me. I told her it was over. She then sent me emails saying how it was a business meeting and she needed to meet him for work. I reminded her that she told me she wanted to see if she loved him and wanted him. She is a delusional liar like my mother. I stopped all contact with my mother this week. I realized that she is a liar who loves to lie. I just ended all contact with Ex-G. She called me wanting to sort out the issues and I told her there were no issues to sort out. I told her to let me go and she said "OK." So it is done. She will try again for me and I know it will not work as she will always be looking for a way out of love. So now I have said no to love in order to have true love now. Sad but also I must do what Rhett Buttler did in Gone WIth The Wind and leave the bitch. I realize that Rhett says "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." as he is angry and hurt as he loved her and she lied to him. It is not the leaving of someone that you don't love that takes courage, it is the leaving of someone you do love. It is the leaving of the parents that you love as you are programmed to love them and yet they are false mentors and you must leave them behind. it is the loss of love and sadness when your parents die and you continue on without them. Yet the release of the false mentor despite love is something we must all do. She is a liar, delusional, changing facts to avoid the truth and I am free of her. My heart is sad and my heart also knows this is the way to true love. I cleaned the slate to start again. Anyway I don't want to have a long conversation about it. I just wanted to tell you and then go back to work. It is something I would rather just be free of. Is that OK with you? Telling you the final conclusion is my way of being free of it.

Friend:
Can I ask you something? What if your mum would die now. Any thoughts you would have done different?

Y:
Yes I would have let go of her 22 years ago the day I left home. I would not have wasted 22 years trying to fix her by dating liars like Ex-G and trying to fix them. I would have just left and said "Thanks for 18 years of food that Dad paid for and you hardly tried to cook, and for occasionally doing some washing for me. I'd thank you for breast feeding me but you didn't even try."

F
Thank you.

Y:
Yes now that I am willing as an adult to look back on the past with honesty I see the truth. And that allows me to leave my mother forever.

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At which point I finally got angry. ("What took you so long?" asked Spouse.)

I could have said a lot.

E.g. That I tried to breast-feed my first child but couldn’t, due to inverted nipples, which was frustrating for the baby and distressing for me. When I gave up and put him on the bottle, he got a decent feed and a good sleep. I wasn’t going to put the next baby through all that.

E.g. That he owes me nothing; that his father and I always took the view that it’s parents who owe the children – until they are adults.

E.g. To refute the allegation that I “hardly tried to cook.” (When I THINK of the thought and care I put into meals ...! Maybe not very brilliant at it, but at least I did try.)

E.g. That I have never claimed to be “spiritually pure”. Anyone who thinks that Reiki Masters believe that about themselves has no understanding of what Reiki Mastery entails. It is not about self-importance in any way; it’s about learning how to act as a channel for universal energy, whilst remaining entirely human in oneself, and retaining the humility to know that one is merely an instrument.


But what would be the point of saying anything? He wouldn’t believe me anyway.

At least the washing thing is a slight improvement. For years he alleged that I never did any! Which is not how other people who were around at the time remember it. My best friend, who used to visit a lot with her little boy, says now, “You always seemed to be doing mountains of washing.” Funny, that’s how it seemed to me, too, at the time.

Although he knows very well how to press my buttons, he’s not a good psychologist. This final unnecessary email was overkill.

“You can’t keep putting me through this emotional wringer every year or so,” I could also have said. But clearly he can, and does – so long as I continue to allow it. I’ve stopped.


18 October 2009 9:17:12 PM Me:

Y, if you're going, just go.

If you need to get me out of your life in order to find your own truth and love, just do it - with my blessing.

Your loving Mum, who has had enough.

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Then I blocked him on Skype, spam-filtered any future emails from him, and went to delete him on facebook – but he’d beaten me to that and already deleted me.

Driving to town next morning, I found myself singing the old Buddy Holly number, You Don’t Matter Any More: “You’ll go your way and I’ll go mine, now and forever till the end of time”… happily!
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Truth Fairy
Fairy Hitchcock

 
May I wrap my mother's heart around your mother's heart?  I have always said living 2000 miles away from family is just fine.  Visits are then more precious.  But sometimes our "family" are our "Irregular People".  Seems your son is the one who is not balanced and thinks he is the answer to you and his ex-girlfriend's lives without accepting his own insecurities and disfunctions.

Thankfully my children and my husband and me their mother are at a loving, accepting point in our lives.  We the parents have reinforced the understanding that if they and their cousins make no effort to be Family/Friends then when we die we their parents who are the glue which bonds them together will be gone.

With the death of my dear Husband's mother this Fall (after our delightful visit with her in July) the disintegration of his relationship with his brother and sister has reached a deafening level which would have killed his mother if she had seen it.  We are both the youngest and much later born than our older siblings and so Mom was the last older living relative we had.  When my mother died in 1996 my siblings parted and have not really communicated since.  Seems our births inconvenienced their lives and we were treated with much more compassion than the older ones...which was not our fault and our parents were much better off and wiser then.  So be it.  I only press for my children to come together for them and their children's association as family...I cannot MAKE it happen.

Please accept my love for you and my understanding of the protected heart and mind which is necessary for survival when those we have loved, and still do love, slam the door in our faces and then blame us for the "closure and selfishness".  Mothers seem to get this more often than Fathers.

I am glad you posted this and I checked my much neglected page!!!
 
Posted by Truth Fairy on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 3:14 PM
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Rosemary Nissen-Wade

 
Thank you, dear friend!  Only too happy to accept your love, your sharing of your own experiences, and your wisdom.

 
Posted by Rosemary Nissen-Wade on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:01 PM
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Cassandra Cutlass Crowfae

 
Wow. I empathize. I have a son who chose Mormonism and his wife debbie over me, her ultimatum not mine, funny he is also 40.

If you need support I'm there for you from a distance, if you need validation you did the right thing I validate your choices. Forgiveness is far from the same thing as ignoring or forgetting. So let it go and move on.

That's what I am trying to do with a few long time relationships that recently ended from their end. Some tragic like our sons, some just little WTF's.

Love you dear and hope to meet you face to face sometime this decade.
 
Posted by Cassandra Cutlass Crowfae on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 3:41 PM
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Rosemary Nissen-Wade

 
And thank you too - I repeat to you everything I just said to Fairy. 


 
Posted by Rosemary Nissen-Wade on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:02 PM
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Katia

 
Such a sad, even tragic, story of a son's misunderstanding, rage, and, possibly, mental illness...
I consider you to be very courageous in sharing such intimate details of your life.
As much as you may feel genuinely relieved and even in a sense happy to be free of this toxic relationship with your son, please be gentle with yourself if and when the sorrow arises...
Do you believe in reincarnation, Rosemary? Perhaps there is very much more going on here than meets the eye...it is not for me to say. But possibly some sessions with a Past Life Regression therapist may help you towards greater understanding of what seems to be an incomprehensible situation, even if a reconciliation is not on the cards, or even wanted.
Isn't it true that life is endlessly challenging and all we can do is summon the courage to move on? As you know, my precious beloved only child died of cardiac disease 8 years ago at only 27 years of age... my heart remains forever shattered...but i am still here.
From one sorrowful mother to another... love and respect. We will make it through.


  
 
Posted by Katia on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 8:41 PM
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Rosemary Nissen-Wade

 
Thanks, dear Katia! 

I posted about a relevant previous incarnation here.
(I'm a past life regression therapist myself, among other things.) 

I have discovered my son is seriously mentally ill, and will post more about that soon.

 
Posted by Rosemary Nissen-Wade on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 12:45 PM
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h@na~ni JoY
Hannah De la Joy

 
Well done you.

 
Posted by h@na~ni JoY on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 6:57 AM
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Rosemary Nissen-Wade

 
Thanks! xx

 
Posted by Rosemary Nissen-Wade on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 12:47 PM
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Mao Mao

 
Finally an answer! Finally an explanation to the years of hurt and confusion not just for you Rosemarie but for others.  If only we all came with a guide book on how to do life.

You speak of once a year - at times it was once a week

Finally! God bless you and those around you that have hurt for years and have suffered at the abuse given in the name of 'love'
 
Posted by Mao Mao on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 4:39 AM
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