Immortality: A serious goal of Transhumanism
By IgnoranceIsntBliss
Exploring Life Extension Transhumanism Immortality must see video
This is the second important technology video that I highly recommend for everyone to understand the full scope of whats going on. The first being Building Gods; each are from Transhumanist sources. This is very important, and I hope you all take the time to watch this. Building Gods was more geared towards explaining the AI and cyborg scope of this revolution, while this one is more geared more towards the Immortality scheme of this movement. Building Gods was surprisingly balanced overall for what it was, however, this video is another story. This one should fall under propaganda.
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We will either destroy ourselves this century, or we will obtain immortality. -Antonei Csoka, Ph.D.
You really have to watch this film to get the full scope, but Ill try to point out some things in this blog. I have heard the news mention this issue in the past, but overall this is yet another issue that is typically blacklisted from proper presentation.
I do understand some of the reasoning involved here, but I still think the extremists are possibly selfish in all new ways in human history, and the ones who aren't are too biased to realize that combining their dream with the real world is a recipe for disaster. Sure many have dreamed of it, but now that dream is manifesting into a reality that could destroy civilization, and it still goes beyond just mere immortality.
People need to understand that these extremists not only want to extend their lifespan, but most actually want to be immortal, and that is their goal. Some transhumanists are actually just extreme health people, but the rest seem to be these all-out extremists who dont just want immortality, but also extreme AI, mind uploading and to become posthuman entities. Im still waiting for someone to give me a good reason why the risk of AI is worth it or even necessary. Transhumanists typically want it because they know it will rapidly accelerate their goals (meaning forget about Moore's Law).
Aging is a barbaric phenomenon that shouldnt be tolerated in polite society. -Aubrey de Grey Ph.D.
I must state that this is a very interesting issue, and I can see trying to live life healthfully and to our fullest, and maybe certain degrees of extension, but many these people are all out extremist fanatics. I like a lot of what they're doing actually, but there has to be some point where we draw the line. They believe it is our destiny to become cyborgs, but is it also our destiny to nuke mankind off the face of the planet because we can? Their AI dream even brings all new meaning to the existence of our nukes.
Early on they show an elderly woman pushing a walker (probably for emotional effect). What they fail to mention is how long those adult diaper / cripple years will go on when they extend life to 200 years, meaning you might face hundreds of years of that stage of life. Maybe they'll reverse Dr. Jack Kevorkian's aging? Probably not, because they'll surely be able to get keep us alive for a long time, but reversing the aging process altogether is really pushing it, and uncertain.
The extremists are personally deciding for all of humanity what the true meaning of everything is, and whats best for all. They have figured it all out. There surely isnt anything after we die, because they dont think so, therefore go ahead and risk the destruction of mankind because they want to live forever with their collective god controlling everything.
these super-rich super-heroes have decided to focus on whats really long term importance to the human race and intelligence, which in my view the 2 most important things (to the human race) right now are life-extension and AI. -Ben Goertzal, Ph.D.
Its the rational part of my mind that truly wants to believe in an afterlife, (underscores doubts in such) what does that mean for me I believe that technology will advance enough that some few lucky of us will never have to die. -Jay Fox
"People with greater means are going to have access to the best medical technology fastest"
"If you want it at all, you're going to have to let the rich have their day in the ealry days if the technology ... in the 1980's mobile phones were thousands of dollars ... it's incredible how inexpensive cell phones are now, only 20 or 30 years later." -Michael D. Hartel Ph.D.
They compare cell phone diffusion to reassure us that the lower class (since they're systematically wiping out the middle class) might rapidly get access to all of the greater gene / nano therapies and other technologies like bionic organs required for indefinite lifespans. There isn't going to be a "magic bullet" to immortality, instead it will be a combination of things which greatly increases the odds that most people wont be able to afford real extension for a long time. However, certain nanomachines for brain augmentation is another story.
They claim there's enough global food capaicity to support 60 billion people, but there's no way this earth will last forever if everyone becomes immortal. Imagine if the entire world was developed and industrialized already. Look at the rate it's being destroyed now. Imagine more people, and then more, and so on. Even if we get around petroleum driven automobiles there will be even more challenges like water itself. Do you really think the worlds elite want us all around forever? This technology may redefine the motives of those in power in all new ways. This really makes me wonder about these people calling for massive global population reduction and genocide. Surely they know about these coming technologies if they're scientists who really know what's going on?
Weve treated the Human Genome Project as a priority since day one because we all want to live forever. We want to live forever, and were getting there. -Bill Clinton
An interesting twist to this issue is how Clinton was for immortality, but the President's Council on Bioethics that oversee these issues seem to be verbally against the Immortality efforts. They typically speak against many of the extremism issues, but Im not convinced that theyre doing anything to stop the bigger research.
Why is Bush calling for nanotechnology and supercomputing spending? Hasn't Moore's Law remaining true for the past several decades been ample computer progress? Why aren't they stopping DARPA's "Biorevolution", or their Strong AI & supercomputing that is so vital to their revolution? Why didn't they limit spending on "Robust Intelligence" in the NSF's Information and Intelligent Systems program? There's even the NASA IA project.
Why was virtually every government agency, with the White House first on the list, involved in the NBIC workshop, which was the rally cry of the posthuman evolution revolution? Why was Charles H. Huettner there applauding the workshop on behalf of the White House? NBIC goes beyond mere nanotechnology 'bots', it's about growing synthetic cybernetic organizisms from the molecular level, which is the ultimate key in their posthuman revolution.
Why have human embryos been cloned in the US under Bush? Why are mice being humanized with human stem cells? Bush may be shaking up the embryonic stem cell community, but all that's doing is motivating them to find new and better sources.
It looks like Bush doesn't mind "god building", human-rat chimeras, cloning, rapid posthuman evolution or their technological "collective society" (Singularity) just as long as human embryotic stems cells from new sources aren't being used (that's really just the wedge issue they use to keep us simpletons ignorant about the bigger issues).
There is an entity thats going to take care of us after death, that entity is us. which is the collective consciousness and our will to build an omniscient omnipresent entity, which is our collective technology and our collective consciousness, and that entity is by definition god, so Id say that god will be there when we become god. -Martine Rothblatt, Ph.D.
This is the secret face of the New Age movement, and most New Agers dont even realize it. This is one of the many ways people are being conditioned for the technology revolution, whether wittingly or not, even by the part of many of the leaders of the different transition movements, such as the "New Age".