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April 13, 2008 - Sunday 

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"Knowing your own truth" blogs are about just that, knowing YOUR own truth."
Alot of us believe what we do without 'question' because it was taught to us. We have never examined the evidence or looked at what we believe from another perspective. To me, that's dangerous and causes us to be ignorant. There are at least two sides to EVERY situation, belief, etc. I believe it's important to "Know our own truths"
Our truths are not our own. It's someone else's perception of truth. If you have never looked at your beliefs from another persepective, than it's not YOUR truth, but someone else's.
The reason for this series is to introduce common beliefs and give you the other side and let YOU be the judge. The series is not to get you to change what you believe. It's to introduce to you what you most likely never knew. Once you examine what I post, it's up to you to decide what you want to believe. If your mind doesn't change, so what! At least now you have examined the evidence and came up with the conclusin to believe or not believe based on what YOU know, Not what someone else knows. Does this make sense?

Anywho..I'll be posting a variety of topics. Everything from religion to wearing bras. All I ask is that you take these blogs seriously. There is so much we'll all learn from these series. I promise

Again, i'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion, just introduce the other side.








Is Jesus a Carpenter?

Nowadays it is quite common to refer to Jesus as a carpenter from Galilee. You might even see people driving around with a bumper sticker that says, "My Boss Is a Jewish Carpenter," by which they mean Jesus.

But is Jesus really a carpenter? Let's examine the gospels and see.

They asked, "Is not this the carpenter?"

Right away we find that the words "Jesus" and "carpenter" occur together only once in the New Testament:

On the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astounded. They said, "Where did this man get all this? What is this wisdom that has been given to him? What deeds of power are being done by his hands! Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary [Other ancient authorities read "son of the carpenter and of Mary"] and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.
—Mark 6:2-3 (NRSV)

There are some interesting aspects to this passage.

Depending on which ancient manuscript you read, the people are either asking if Jesus is a carpenter or if He is the son of a carpenter. Either way, they were asking because they were surprised to see someone whom they thought was a carpenter functioning as a rabbi. Jesus was teaching in the synagogue on the Sabbath; in other words, He was preaching the sermon. Since they thought He was a carpenter usurping the role of a rabbi, they understandably took offense. If He were a carpenter, as they wondered, His ability to preach would be quite amazing.

However, the only people who thought this situation was remarkable and offensive were the people who were mistaken. Obviously, the synagogue authorities had allowed Him to preach, which means they knew that He was not a carpenter.

The New Testament calls Jesus 'rabbi' about 13 times

Here are three examples.

Then Peter said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; let us make three dwellings, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
Mark 9:5-6 (NRSV)

Nathanael asked him, "Where did you get to know me?" Jesus answered, "I saw you under the fig tree before Philip called you." Nathanael replied, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!" Jesus answered, "Do you believe because I told you that I saw you under the fig tree? You will see greater things than these."
—John 1:48-50 (NRSV)

Meanwhile the disciples were urging him, "Rabbi, eat something." But he said to them, "I have food to eat that you do not know about." So the disciples said to one another, "Surely no one has brought him something to eat?" Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to complete his work."
John 4:31-34 (NRSV)

When people called Jesus "rabbi," He never corrected them. Unless He is being deceptive, this means He is a rabbi.

The New Testament calls Jesus 'teacher' about 47 times

You can look these up on your own; I will give you one example.

On the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Where do you want us to make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?" He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, 'The Teacher says, 'My time is near; I will keep the Passover at your house with my disciples.'"
Matthew 26:17-19 (NRSV)

Notice that in this passage Jesus is referring to Himself as a teacher, which is really interesting because the same gospel discloses that it uses "teacher" to mean "rabbi."

The New Testament uses 'teacher' to mean 'rabbi' pay close attention

When Jesus turned and saw them following, he said to them, "What are you looking for?" They said to him, "Rabbi" (which translated means Teacher), "where are you staying?" He said to them, "Come and see." They came and saw where he was staying, and they remained with him that day.
—John 1:38-39 (NRSV) See also Matthew 23:8 and John 3:2

Matthew was writing in Greek, but 'rabbi' is an Aramaic or Hebrew word, so he explains to the reader what 'rabbi' means and that he uses it 'teacher' as a translation of the title 'rabbi.'

So here is our evidence:

  • In the gospels, total strangers walk up to Jesus and ask Him cast out demons, heal the sick, settle disputes, and probate wills. Carpenters don't have that job description, but rabbis do. This also means, incidentally, that Jesus had to have been dressed like a rabbi; otherwise, the people wouldn't know to ask.
  • In the gospels, there is no incident where a Pharisee invites Jesus to fix a wobbly table, but He overhears the dinner conversation, interrupts with His observations, and amazes them with His wisdom. That's what would happen if He were a carpenter. Instead, the Pharisees keep inviting Jesus to dinner to discuss His teachings. So obviously the Pharisees perceive Jesus as a rabbi, because carpenters do not have teachings, but rabbis do.
  • In the gospels, Jesus has disciples. Carpenters don't have disciples, but rabbis do.
  • Matthew informs us in Matthew 23:8 that when he uses 'teacher' as a title, he is translating the word 'rabbi.' That means Jesus is calling Himself as a rabbi in Matthew 26:17-19. Nowhere does He call Himself a carpenter.

So it is very romantic to think of Jesus as a carpenter, but not very scriptural.

Jesus is a rabbi.

Source:

kencollins.com



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What's up with you people??? Is this religion week and I missed the announcement???

The Bible has as many interpretations as you want. We can discuss them as we turn blue (or purple, depending on your completion...lol) and we would still go nowhere...
Sorry, that's the best I could do today...
 
Posted by Anabela on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 12:35 AM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
Thanx Anabela
 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 12:58 AM
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~These Eyez Never Lie~

 
2nd, comments, blog comment,





Thanks for shedding some light on what is probably a misinterpretation. So many people walk around with mis-informed ideas of what scriptures in the Bible mean. Alot has to do with our pastors misinterpreting passages. We might not ever know the full, complete, and correct meaning of the Bible.
 
Posted by ~These Eyez Never Lie~ on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 1:12 PM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
i think this one was more of a 'assumption' than misinterpretation.

Jesus' physical father was a carpenter, so i guess people assumed Jesus was too. ion know.

but i don't think the bible ever said Jesus was a carpenter.

don't matter to me which way people believe, but i wanted to put it out there so people can come to their 'OWN' conclusion.

 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 2:19 PM
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Saucytrini
Reba James

 
Thanks for the info Pantz...between you and Trina I do not need to go to church for a month lol

Now one quick question ..who the hell do you get all these graphics onto your blogs and sh_t??? Your a pro Pantz
 
Posted by Saucytrini on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 5:10 PM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
between you and Trina I do not need to go to church for a month lol

LOL

who the hell do you get all these graphics onto your blogs and sh_t??? Your a pro Pantz

i make the banners using photoshop.

the background was a pic i found on the web. i just added a black border to it, so it wouldn't show up as repeating. that was done in photoshop too

 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 9:14 PM
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mywua

 
Your so selfish at times
 
Posted by mywua on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 10:00 PM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
How??
 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 11:58 PM
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mywua

 
Your so selfish at times
 
Posted by mywua on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 10:00 PM
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Just Relle

 
Why couldn't he be both? From my own limited reading and broad based application of simple logic, would it not make sense that Joseph who according to the Old Testament was a carpenter (or builder) would teach young Jesus his trade? Seems a likely scenario, most 'fathers' taught their sons their trade. You aren't born rabbi's are you? Do they not have past lives? (Not being facetious, I really don't know). Then consider how much time passed btwn the old and new testaments, wasn't it a few hundred years? If that's the case none of the New Testament was written in Jesus's time, so it's all based on memories or stories being told down to each generation. After all the amazing things they've heard in his adulthood, who would think to mention or record what he was doing in his childhood, teenage years, or even early adult? That being said.. this is all out of the side of my azz cos I don't know verbatum every book in the new testament.
 
Posted by Just Relle on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 5:38 PM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
Why couldn't he be both?

good question. maybe he was. who knows.
 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 9:32 PM
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"Miss J... For those that dont know, ask..&qu
Joanne H

 
Thanks for the lesson, Pantz...

You definately have shed some light on my theory..
 
Posted by "Miss J... For those that dont know, ask..&qu on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 9:18 PM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
thanx
 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 9:33 PM
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Angel Monique... is cleaning house
Angel Monique

 
If Joseph was a carpenter by trade, it is more than likely that Jesus was. In that time, boys had the same trade as their fathers for generations. I'm not saying that he did per say, I'm saying that it's a logical conclusion because of the importance of carrying on family tradition in that time.
I looked at your source. It's interesting and it's merely some person's interpretation of the scriptures. Heck, if you type in 'was Jesus a carptener' in a google search, quite a few people have opinions. Some support this gentleman, others don't.

As a Christian, it is really not of great importance what Jesus' trade was. I mean, it's historical and we're glad to know what he did simply because it is HIM. However, we are far more grateful and give far more attention to what HE DID FOR US as opposed to what he did for a living.
 
Posted by Angel Monique... is cleaning house on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 9:57 PM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
It's interesting and it's merely some person's interpretation of the scriptures.

ok. and isn't that usually the case. the scriptures being interpreted the way someone ELSE sees it?

How many of us have actually taken it upon ourselves to leave sunday services and do our own research about the sermon? usually we take the pastor's words no matter what without ever doing the research to find out what WE want to believe. We need to start seeking our OWN truth.



As a Christian, it is really not of great importance what Jesus' trade was.

this is not about the importance of Jesus being a carpenter. i agree that it's not important. what IS important is, that we stop allowing our heads to be filled with someone else's truths without seeing both sides.

that's the purpose of the blog, not to take away from What the so called Messiah did or didn't do (i say so called because some believe he wasn't the messiah)

 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 10:05 PM
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Angel Monique... is cleaning house
Angel Monique

 
While I'm sure there are many people in the world that just take a man of God at his word, I'm gonna go with the idea that many of us, DON'T. We discern whether or not to even attend a church, much less allow someone that isn't even right in his/her own walk to teach us anything. That's one of the many reasons that God gave us the gift of discernment. It's what non-believers chose to call a concience.

Now, I know a lot of christians(that is a very broad word) and I don't know many that feel this way. The reason it is broad is because we may all believe in Christ, but we don't necessarily believe the all of the same things. i.e: the difference between going to a priest as a catholic to confess and me having my own belief to know for a FACT that there is NOWHERE in the bible that says I'm to go to another man to confess what I did wrong. It ain't in there nowhere. I go to God through Jesus. THAT's the bible.
I'm looking at your statement:
usually we take the pastor's words no matter what without ever doing the research to find out what WE want to believe.
I'm gonna disagree with the 'usually' in that statement. Usually, a great deal of us read our own bibles and we seek God for ourselves. I don't need my minister to talk to God and pray for wisdom and understanding. Contrary to what many people believe, we go to church to be taught, yes. But we also go for fellowship(as the bible says we should). We read our bibles and we seek God in earnest for ourselves. The basis of the pastor's words are things that a great deal of us already know. He's there to provide leadership, as the bible states and to give us what God has given to him in a plain way that may be easier for others to understand.
 
Posted by Angel Monique... is cleaning house on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 11:26 PM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
ok.

no debate from me today:-)
 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 12:10 AM
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SNS aka Purple Rose

 
http://myderbe.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/jesus-and-social-customs-and-traditions/
 
Posted by SNS aka Purple Rose on April 13, 2008 - Sunday - 11:30 PM
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Pantz NA

 
thnx girl!
good info

love when u come thru

i love wordpress. that's one of my new hangouts lol
 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 12:11 AM
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NUBIANGRAPHICS.COM Official Site
Nubian Graphics

 
Honestly I can careless what Jesus was and was not....I believe there was a Jesus and he is the son of God and God is my all...Nothing more or less...LOL

He could of been a doctor, dentist, lawyer...whatever...LOL
 
Posted by NUBIANGRAPHICS.COM Official Site on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 3:06 PM
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Saucytrini
Reba James

 
I say AMEN to that.... now if he was a politican........ then maybe.......just maybe I'll wonder....
 
Posted by Saucytrini on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 3:25 PM
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Nubian Graphics

 
Aint that the Truth...I would have had to think about that one...lol
 
Posted by NUBIANGRAPHICS.COM Official Site on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 3:42 PM
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Pantz NA

 
i don't care either lol
doesn't really matter
 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 3:13 PM
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Just Relle

 
loved it...
 
Posted by Just Relle on April 15, 2008 - Tuesday - 1:17 AM
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MEL SAYS YES ~

 
No telling if Jesus had a trade at all but based on his lineage he descended from the house of King David allegedly through Mary's bloodline - (Some hebrew texts indicate that Mary descended from King Solomon's brother's family tree.) If true, then although Jesus's stepfather Joseph was a carpenter - Jesus also descended from earthly royalty too on his mother's side...
 
Posted by MEL SAYS YES ~ on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 8:48 PM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
Jesus also descended from earthly royalty too on his mother's side...

i've never heard of the mother's side

i need to buy some books. seriously. i wanna know it all

glad you're back. between u, sweet, jr and E.P. i'm set. no need to pay thousands of dollars to get what i can gt here for free LOL

 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 14, 2008 - Monday - 8:51 PM
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John Richard LeMar

 
I don't think it was ever stated by anyone that he was "just" a carpenter, so I'm not sure what the controversy here is. That was his youthful trade, but obviously he became more than that, including a teacher/rabbi (though some Christians like to deny Jesus' Jewish background). If anything, I always thought his trade as a carpenter was emphasized in order to show how God would often choose from the "common people" to represent him. Moses worked as a sheep-herder for decades & God spoke to him.

This is assuming that either of them, & God, even exists, of course. Despite the complete lack of any proof whatsoever...but that's another topic.


An interesting thing to look up would be where & why the story of Mary Magdalene being a "prostitute" came from, since she is never explicitly referred to as one in the Bible.
 
Posted by John Richard LeMar on April 15, 2008 - Tuesday - 3:45 AM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
I don't think it was ever stated by anyone that he was "just" a carpenter, so I'm not sure what the controversy here is

i've never heard of him as anything other than a carpenter and messiah.

so i'm not sure why you don't know he has been referred to a carpenter in the christian community.



An interesting thing to look up would be where & why the story of Mary Magdalene being a "prostitute" came from, since she is never explicitly referred to as one in the Bible.

good point. i've heard the same thing. i watch the history channel alot. so i'm not sure where it comes from that she was a prostitute. i'll look into doing that as one of my truth blogs. thanx JR
 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 15, 2008 - Tuesday - 11:39 AM
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I can not lose 4 winning!!! Somethn 2 repeat 2self
Mackneezy Aka Kleezy

 
I think you have put forth a very good effort as far as a blog discussion and for that I support you. And also I hope that you will accept me as one of your online Myspace.com network friends.

Respectfully,

Kleezy Mackneezy
Myspace.com/BePositive101
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Groups.Myspace.com/MARCH4LIFE
 
Posted by I can not lose 4 winning!!! Somethn 2 repeat 2self on April 17, 2008 - Thursday - 2:58 AM
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Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss
Pantz NA

 
thanx. feel free to chime in on the discussions anytime.

ur page is private, so i can't check u out. i don't accept friend requests. sorry

 
Posted by Pantz is waitin' for your Kiss on April 17, 2008 - Thursday - 12:51 PM
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