The following videos incorporate subjects which led me to engage a few leftists in two separate debates concerning atheism and President-elect Obama. Feel free to add your two cents worth to the mix.
DarcPrynce Apparently nobody ever pointed out to the atheists who put up that anti-religion sign that atheism is a religious belief. Agnostics simply state that they don't know whether or not God exists. Atheists, on the other hand, claim that God definitely doesn't exist, something which they could not possibly know, yet they still believe unquestionably. That is, by definition, a religious view. Atheists aren't anti-religious, they're anti-God.
bull579 Atheists (or at least this one) are not anti-religion or anti-god.
DarcPrynce You can't be anti-religious and be an atheist, because atheism is a religious belief. That having been said, if you state that God does not exist, even though you've no way of knowing that he doesn't, how is that not an anti-God position? Atheism is not like agnosticism.
bull579 Atheisim is not a religious belief I currently know a God does not exist because there is no scientific proof that one does. This burden of proof does not fall on the skeptic.
DarcPrynce No, you don't know God does not exist, which is exactly why yours is a religious belief. Not believing something exists because you lack proof of it, and knowing it does not exist aren't the same thing.
bull579 Well, then I want proof. Show me tangible, solid, peer reviewed scientific proof. Until I see that, I do in fact know that god does not exisit because in science we don't allow for this line of reasoning. Religion is a man made thing and God or whatever idol is approprate is another part of this man made invention.
DarcPrynce There is no tangible, solid, peer reviewed, scientific proof that love exists... or even true sentience for that matter, but there are all sorts of logical reasons to believe they do. Some people have argued that love really doesn't exist, and that human consciousness is basically just a lot of biochemical reactions. There is no hard evidence to disprove those assertions, yet the vast majority of people would disagree with them.
bull579 I disagree with your statement, however I suspect that this is not going any further so I'll just leave it at that.
DarcPrynce Fair enough, but please allow me to leave you with this final thought on the matter. None of us know that we have free will. There is no way of proving it. We might just be complex biological machines that have been programmed into believing we have free will when, in actuality, every action we take and every thought we think has been scheduled in advance. It could be that we are merely living out a play that's already been written... but I don't think so. Of course, I can't prove otherwise.
Optics233 Atheism is not a religious belief. Not believing in something is NOT in of itself a belief. You CHOOSE to believe in a god or religion, if you do not choose to you are simply not believing; there is no 'believing in not believing' - that's a bunch of BS.
DarcPrynce Atheism isn't simply not believing in God, that is agnosticism. An agnostic says I don't know if there is a God or not, and since I'm not sure, I can't say I believe in God. Atheism, on the other hand, is the conviction that God does not exist. An atheist doesn't say he isn't sure about whether or not God exists, he claims he is sure, in spite of the fact that he can't know. That is a religious belief.
Optics233 I know what Atheism and Agnosticism are, thanks. Atheism simply IS a disbelief in God. Being agnostic is not a disbelief in God, it's an uncertainty of God's existence. Uncertainty is not the same as no belief.
DarcPrynce The essence of being an agnostic is that you take no position on the matter of God's existence. The essence of being an atheist is that you do take a position on the matter, and your position is that, because you have no proof of God, God cannot exist... not that God MAY not exist, but that God CANNOT exist. That is, of course, not true. God CAN exist regardless of whether you are able to scientifically prove his existence or not, yet atheists still BELIEVE that God does not exist.
idiotwind75 Experience & change are not mutually exclusive mr. ding dong - by including jonas brothers, twilight, etc. in your tags it is obivious that you are just searching for attention/views - do you think that being black and hating on Obama makes you unique?! -lol, go watch some more news programs & then come back on here & regurgitate everything you heard - unoriginal tavis smiley wanna-be.
DarcPrynce Hate? I didn't hear any hate on this video, just valid criticisms. Do you hate everyone you disagree with? Do you hate your friends when they act like fools? Do you hate your family members when they exhibit hypocrisy or say things that you know aren't true? It seems to me that Will isn't the one with hate issues here.
idiotwind75 "hating on" is a urban term used by street poets such as myself - it translates to "heavily criticizing" - Will has no faith in the black race _ everytime he speaks, MLK rolls around in his grave - nuff said.
DarcPrynce Bullshit. 'Hating on' means criticizing with hateful intent. As for Will not having faith in the black race, did you ever stop to think that the black race isn't his main concern when he's talking about the character of an individual who just happens to be half black? MLK was against judging people based upon their race, and he would have never voted for a Marxist like Barack Obama because he was a Republican who believed that a person's actions and words were more important than their skin color.
idiotwind75 did you even watch this video?! lol_he mentions the black race numerous times during this video and admits that if Obama inspires the black race to "step up their game" then he will support Obama on that one key issue_ and of course MLK was a republican in the 1960's (almost all Black Americans were Repubs during that era) but times have changed DarcPryncess-MLK would not have supported illegally invading Iraq, just like he did not support Vietnam-MLK would have voted Obama, based on that issue
DarcPrynce Will doesn't even mention the black community until the last minute and a half of his video, and when he does he explains that one potentially positive thing about the Obama presidency is that it might cause some people within that community to start doing things for themselves and stop counting on politicians to do everything for them. But that wasn't the main aspect of his video. His primary message is that Barry is no different than any other politician who'll say anything to get elected. As for MLK, if you think he'd simply forget the fact that the Democrat party opposes virtually every other moral position he ever embraced, just to put an end to the war in Iraq, you've been engaging in too many wake-and-bake sessions.
DarcPrynce By the way, I agree with you that experience & change are not mutually exclusive. Hitler had very little experience and he changed the world more than just about anyone in the 20th century.
idiotwind75 Hilter was nothing but a coward with a chip on his shoulder _ the only life he changed was yours, you illiterate wacko.
DarcPrynce So Hitler didn't change any lives when he started World War II, which led directly to the slaughter of millions of people and destroyed most of Europe... Do you realize how idiotic your response is? As for me being illiterate, if that were the case, I wouldn't be able to post remarks here. Try learning the meaning of words before you use them, schmuck.
idiotwind75 It is easy to kill, rape, murder, & exterminate - EASY - on the other hand, it hard to live a life of righteousness on this earth & to treat your fellow man with love & respect - when push came to shove, Hitler committed suicide instead of dealing with his consequences like a real man- But you are correct in a sense; Hitler did make the Jewish people stronger & more prosperous than ever, after they perservered through the horrific holocaust - you read, but you don't understand.
DarcPrynce What does anything you just wrote have to do with the FACT that Hitler changed the world, and that he was relatively inexperienced in politics before he took power? He never held any public office before becoming Chancellor. His only experience was one of street agitator, yet in less than a decade he controlled most of Europe and half of Asia. As for Hitler making the Jews stronger and more prosperous, he did no such thing. The Jews became stronger IN SPITE of the Holocaust, not because of it.
DarcPrynce What's easy is convincing average people that you are capable of making their lives better, if you happen to be a gifted and charismatic speaker. The hard part comes when those people begin to realize that only they can make positive changes in their lives, and that politicians usually make matters a whole lot worse all the way around. The best thing any politician can do is inspire people to achieve their dreams and then get out of their way and let them. Marxists refuse to get out of the way.