Yeah, what is even more loathsome, is a group of students in Texas is scheduling a meeting with the last man whom held the position of Commander-In-Chief for a speech.

 

Here - here, Charlie.  Shame on all of them.  Not being that much into politics I had to really pay attention.  Hopefully he can get the support he needs.  He made sense to me and, I thought, some really good points.
 

Diedra:  I agree, this is terribly upsetting, especially to us older folks on very fixed incomes.  Several months ago I started receiving Social Security but for some reason I can't get Medicare until July 2010.  I don't know if this is the way it has always been or if it is something new.  I keep thinking this can't be right and have called Soc. Sec. several times only to be told the same thing everytime so I guess it is true.  My point is - being on fixed income or low income is very frightening.  All the yelling and fingering pointing is only making things worse for many of us who are in ill health to begin with. . . . .P.S. - watch out for those quotation marks!!!
 

Personally, I see nothing wrong with quotation marks.  They are very useful.  I just greatly offended someone by using them to quote Charlie in the previous blog.  The PS. was meant as a joke.
 

One and the same.
 

All I can say is WOW, hypocrite written all over this one.
 

I watched that and I was ashamed of the adults who hold political office acting like children,so rude and immature,  But President Obama held it together beautifully.

 

Kind of like the children acting more mature than the very adults our young ones are supposed to look up to. But Right, our President held it together with grace and style.

 

I agree(someone wave an ammonia packet under Charlie's nose). While I may disagree with the speech and think we have a right to protest, THAT was not the time or the place for it. Better behavior should be expected of our representatives while in a session listening to ANY speaker.
  That said...it is NOT a tactic of the Republicans...there have been disruptive protests since Adam and Eve. In my memories, it is usually the liberals who disrupt things in the name of a cause(VietNam protesters, PETA, Code Pink, enviromental extremes) . But, I can't recall Dem politicians yelling out during an official speech when a Republican was speaking. Joe Wilson is right to protest, wrong to do it as he did.
  Please remember too, that the town hall protesters/tea party people belong to MANY parties. Libertarian, Independent, Constitutionalist, moderate Democrats who are having buyers' remorse, Lyndon LaRouche Dems, and yes...the evil Darth Republicans. Please stop generalizing. For a group that you all claim was taken to the cleaners, spanked, forced out, are impotent and powerless, have no voice or direction, no leadership, and who are irrelevant dinosaurs....we sure are a large and powerful bunch, to hear you tell the story.

 

I'm a little surprised you didn't draw my attention to the way the Hon. members behave in The House of Commons..the very "cradle" of Democracy! Just check it out on CSPAN one day! :-)

 

This was actually what we did for fun in college. (Nerdy types that we were, hanging out in DC. The McLaughlin Group was a drinking game. Yes, on a Sunday morning, I'm ashamed to say.) I think there were a couple SNL skits done on the British Parliament. I always found it funny (disappointing) that Congress is much more staid, er, boring. Then again, insults always sound better with a British accent, don't they?

 

..Not trying to throw a shoe at anyone here - but democracy is a growth process isn't it?  I find it interesting that you should encourage us to look at English government - we should - we need to learn where and when democracy is making progress.  Right now I am reading a section in a research book a bought a few months ago about "The Classics and the British Empire" in the late 19th century.  It seems that a Sir Charles Lucas, "a fellow of All Souls and senior official in the Colonial Office" did a historical study "Greater Rome and Greater Britain" (1912) comparing imperial governance of Romans with that of British colonial administrators.  "He noted that in Rome anyone, regardless of his background and racial descent, could become a provincial administrator and even rise to imperial honors.  But the posts in the British Colonial Service was reserved for individuals of descent."  Further on it says something I'm not sure is valid, but it says..."In the colonies, however, Leopold S. Amery a close associate of Lord Milner, could not be persuaded to change the qualifications of employment in the civil service.  He chose his administrators along racial lines, accentuating further the distinction between white rulers and coloured subjects." I know things are different now in England but this surprised me - and it makes me think that even more than not wanting to vote for someone because they lose control - I want to learn more about people in office or running for office  that emphasize a "controlling" of matters ... before voting for them or voting to re-elect them.  Do you know what I mean?..
 

I've spent quite a bit of time on C-Span enthralled with the process of the PM being grilled, no, more like boiled alive, by the HOC!  It amazes me how unbelievably fast on their feet the PM's are!!  Very interesting and impressive to see.

 

Wilson's behavior convinced me that indeed all of the disruptions happening in the town hall meetings over the last few months are coming up from the top levels of the Republican party.  It's disgraceful for a Representative to act that way at a presidential speech.  Bush would have probably sent him off to Guantanamo for that one...
 

..This sort of behaviour has become fairly mainstream for a while now in the Republican Party.  Unfortunately it then also becomes a model of acceptability for our children.......
 

When I saw the title, I thought you were talking about Joe Biden. "Why is he writing about Joe Biden?" I thought. (Sorry. Inside joke there.) I think it's unfair to characterize all Republicans as a "Joe Wilson." The discomfort at his, yes, loutish behavior was felt on both sides of the aisle, I can assure you. But I would venture that most in Joe's party came to the speech last night expecting to hear Obama behave in a less partisan manner. His speech was more like a campaign speech -- claiming all partisanship to be "the other guy's fault." He disappointed me greatly. He didn't sound presidential at all. He took swipes at the other party and talked AT people -- the American people -- and didn't seem willing to have a dialogue at all. For a person who prides himself on his desire to hear all points of view and work towards compromise, it's clear he took the low road last night. He may have also shot himself in the foot. If he takes the route of following the party line and forcing a filibuster-proof bill down the American people's throats, he'll lose the rest of his domestic agenda. Simple as that.

 

..Were you watching the same speech as I was?  He very clearly told everyone (both parties) that his door is always open--..
 

I'll admit my post was a bit harsh. (I had written to ask it not be posted for that reason; that'll teach me to watch the speech during commercials of the U.S Open.) But I re-read the speech today, and I have to say: I wasn't imagining things. Admittedly, the speech itself was quite eloquent -- beginning with Teddy Roosevelt and ending with Ted Kennedy -- nearly poetic. I can definitely appreciate that. What he said about death panels, too, was spot on, but I stand by my assertion that he was partisan; it was just hidden in the speech. If you'll notice, he starts out by accusing the other side of being partisan, which is fine, they are/were. But then he claims they have made it impossible to compromise. Shot number one. Translation: I won't compromise b/c they made it impossible. Then he says the time for bickering and playing games is over, not taking into account that much of the "bickering" is being done by the American people with their representatives and the Administration. It hasn't been pretty, but as he states later, it's very American and part of our tradition. Then he says the time for playing games is over. Were the American people at all those town hall meetings playing games? They have reason to distrust what he says. Run the fact check through the Associated Press. Check the numbers on the deficit (CBO says the current health care proposals will add $220 billion over 10 years, despite Obama saying the plan will not add one dime to the deficit. I guess he means it'll add several billion dimes.) And it's not often what the plans say, but what they don't say. There's nothing in the bill that makes it illegal for employers to give up providing health insurance and telling their employees to go with the public/co-op option b/c it's cheaper. That could mean employees losing, changing health plans -- and not by choice. These are not bogus claims spread by politicians. Average Americans found these holes in the plans. And the biggest one: Medicaid and Medicare are safe BUT we will make necessary cuts in the program (like Medicare Advantage) b/c they're wasteful. Tell that to the seniors who have Medicare Advantage and will lose that coverage. These are legitimate concerns. He says he'll discuss "legitimate concerns." But, wait, he already dismissed them as lies. Therefore, they cannot be brought up again. That does not sound like an open door. It's slammed shut on those issues. The speech is very deceiving, and just b/c it sounds concilliatory, doesn't mean it is. In the end, I still support having a health care bill. Thankfully, the Senate Finance Committee has since backed away from the public option and I'm sure the concerns mentioned above will be addressed on the floor. The "details" the president mentioned are still being worked out. But I remain disappointed in his speech.

 

I like your posts - they focus more on the issues and not so much on the sensational - a man lost control - and look at how much is being said about that and not the things the President talked about - what does that say about us?
 

Great job, Mary. I saw the same speech you did. Dismissing the legitimate concerns of American citizens as lies and petty games. This bill is so vague and long-winded, there's lots of room for differing interpretations...and the congress people who are holding these town halls can't answer anything about it. All they know is that if it makes the bill look bad, it's a lie. The people at the meetings are reading verbatim from a copy of the bill, only to be told that they're lying. Perhaps if those in charge who actually explain WHY it was a lie, the meetings wouldn't get so rowdy.
  Obama gets all sorts of praise for saying he wants to work with the "other side"...yet all I've been hearing for months is that the Republicans know how to say no, but haven't offered a solution. That's a lie right there...here ya go. ..http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare.. They're not perfect, but they are ideas worth looking at and seeing if pieces of all the ideas can be put together. Of course, Obama said his door is open to discuss "SERIOUS" ideas, so he can just claim that the ideas aren't serious. Bleh.
   If he is so willing to work with everyone...perhaps he shouldn't have said this:"I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess.” First of all, "sit down, shut up and get the heck outta my way" isn't what I'd call an olive branch. Secondly...CONGRESS has created this over the past few decades...including himself(when he showed up for work). Don't you DARE tell the American people to shut up and get away.

 

Bravo Charlie!  I did not vote for Obama but the election is over and it's time to move on.  There are times that I will agree with him and times that I will not and I will speak my mind on those issues if I so choose.  However regardless of my views I will always respect the Office of the President of the United States and I will always respect the person in that office, because he/she is the President.  He/she earned it, he/she deserves it and our other elected officials should be the first to lead the way by example in giving that respect!  Too bad that earned respect is being flushed down the toilet by many!  As for Joe Bozo, I've read that both sides are angry with the outburst and are discussing a proper punishment, that remains to be seen!  IMHO, also from what I've read, he'll more than likely get his just deserve at next year's election!
 

I thought the way he yelled out that way, was wrong. But I think he was right in his belief that obama is a lier. Just because we believe something about someone doesn't give us the right to be rude. There's better ways of handling these things.
 

Although.I actually didn..t see the outburst (maybe it will go to You Tube!)I have read and heard many comments on TV and the print media. and  CNN international ..s program "in Brief" was very interesting, especially  the comments from several parts of the World one being from a British person who said no matter what goes on the British parliament where nastiness isn..t spared,never has the word "liar" fallen towards a head of Government . Same in Australia despite all the "kindergarten "as we call it  the word liar has not occurred either.
An US expat ( a Republican) wrote he was ashamed to support a party that tolerates such behaviour.
However in the meantime I saw that an apology has been given, what else could Obama do except .accept.
I read up on this man ("Googled him!!!)and it would take me hours  to find out about all of him, but reading what I read, this man has always been quite controversial, so his behaviour doesn..t really surprise me.


 

An interim comment from me! I have now watched a You Tube clip of the interruption  and all I can say it wasn..t the clips that surprised me , but the comments  underneath them. They are so full of hate , so rude and personally insulting towards the president AND racecist at times, that I am beginning to wonder where all this hate is generated . Reading these one could be given the impression that there is little or no decency left in the US.
Of course I know better and this is not the case, but it does give me food for thought.
 Thanks C. for letting me voice my sometimes not so nice opinions!!!!


 

What a neanderthal, that one!!  I heard his opponent received over a $100K in donations within the hour of his tasteless display.  Oops, that reminds me...I knew there was something I needed to do...:>)!!!

 

Very very nicely said. I knew there were other reasons I admired you! I agree with you completely. I have never been a republican. My decision becomes clearer every year and election time. People don't agree on politics and everyone deserves their view, but there's a fine line between persuading and forcing the issues. I don't have the patience to sit and watch them so no worries on them  getting my support.
 

That was most certainly uncalled for.   Did you hear the amount of gasps expressed at him?  Obama has great composure; for him to not point out this idiotic behavior proves he has class, and is a very civil person.  While some may have differences, the childish behavior expressed from Mr.  Joe shows that even grown men can level themselves back to grade school.   
 

Well, I am sure that if I could hear the voices of the liberals here they would sound just like JOE. seems nicer when you do it online in type but it is still the same.
 

Joe Wilson is a Republican.  Are you saying he is a liberal now?
 

..Whatever, twist words agian, I said that you all are getting on him for his outburst yet you are doing it here in type and I have heard liberals on the news while Bush was in office and on  Hannity & Colmes yell til they were red in the face, both sides do, so don't try and say that it is just a republican attitude to do this. ..
 

Charlie - I have given so much thought to this situation and frankly I had to wait for a more cool and level mind before jotting a comment.  Mind you, these comments were before the latest forced "forgive me" statement made by Wilson.
I am deeply pained that any individual with any saneness would ever make such a spectacle of oneself.  What an imbarrasment to our country and what a crashing low blow to "whatever" party the idiot represents.  The lame excuse that was crafted, by someone, and made public for the President, I think, is unacceptable.  why wouldn't the "scum" step-up to the microphone, any network would give him the air time to show the world what a two-legged "snake" really looks like.

I think many members of the Republican party became so "use" to being a part of the "beer guzzling cowboy jokes club they now feel uncomfortable and certainly out of place and out of sorts trying to mix and associate with anyone of reasonable intelligence.  The bottom line, they feel threatened that their yester-year negative attitude is constantly being unveiled.  It must be difficult for some of the Republican party members to sit and listen and of course try to understand a Presidential message being delivered with such grace and ease.   

I am so proud of President Obama and in spite of all the stoney faces he has to look at, when speaking to Congress, he will survive and move on with great success. 

Please remember, the position of "President of these United States" demand respect from all citizens regardless to who is sitting in the position at any given time. ALWAYS! NO EXCEPTIONS.

 Hopefully someday we really will be a "United States".
 
 

How many members of the Republican party do you actually know?  When is everyone going to stop being a part of the division.  I think President Obama himself expressed that he wanted to "win" those that didn't vote for him and listen to what they have to say.  Some of the Democrats and Republicans I've been listening to just don't want to keep things divided - one side is always right.  Stop it :)
 

were are you from? I am from California and don't drink beer (lol,that was funny though) and I am surrounded by intelligent people. hmmmm. The fact that you would stereotype the republicans in that way  shows how uniformed you are of the diversity of the country. And on your last statement, Respect and trust is earned not given no matter who it is. Liberals did not give any republican president that respect.
 

too bad that Bush did not get that respect when he was in office from all the liberals. hmmmmm. Yes Obama is very smooth.
 

Maybe that's because BUSH was too busy sending innocent young men and women to their deaths in an illegal war. What kind of "respect" did BUSH give to Cindy Sheehan when she wanted to ask him why her son had to die for a war that was based on lies. REMEMBER, there were NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. You want to talk "smooth". We NEVER would have gone to Iraq if it wasn't for oil. Yet, BUSH never did find Osama Bin Laden. BUSH left office with Bin Laden still very much at large. Of course at one point, BUSH even said "capturing Bin Laden is not really a priority of mine".  So, who do you think is more smooth? I think that answer is obvious. Oh yeah, I'm STILL waiting to see President Obama's "fake" birth certificate, proving he's not a natural born citizen. WELL???

 

..the thing about Cindy Sheehan was that she disgraced her sons name. Regardless of why we went to war, 1000's were killed in the twin towers and that is what these young men and women were fighting for, her son was not forced to go to war, there is not draft, He chose to fight for freedom whether it be to protect us or someone else, don't forget that they did get Saddam Hussein and his sons, or does that not matter. The Iran leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has refused to discuss nuclear program even though Obama has given his til the end of the month, , he said he will discuss any other matter. Obama is not going to change this. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants us dead, he is not afraid of our president. They have proven that they can attack us and will again, especially now that this country seems weak to them. We can't just ignore that they say they want to kill us. They do want us dead. They are not going to be TALKED OUT OF WANTING THIS.
So to your comment about Bin Laden still at large, yes he is, he probably is hiding in his cave somewhere so all his men can die to protect him.
..
 

If BUSH "chose" to fight for freedom, then why on the morning of 9-11-01 after being given the word that America was hit by terrorism, did he just sit and do NOTHING for 20 minutes> WHY! Does this sound like a man who wants to fight for our freedom? Maybe it does to you, but it sure doesn't to me.

Now you say that "they" aren't afraid of our current President? Honestly, do you REALLY think they were afraid of BUSH?? They WANT to die, it makes them look like marytrs, so why on Earth would they be afraid of BUSH. I have news for you, they aren't afraid of BUSH either. BUSH made this war all about hating one religion, calling ALL OF THEM terrorists. Some of Bush's associates even accused President Obama of siding with terrorists simply because he  greeted some Muslims with the customary greeting, "ASALLAM ALEIKUM". Forgive me if I spelled that wrong. Whenever they refer to Obama, it's almost always "that Muslim", which first of all, he has stated he's Christian, and even if her was Muslim, it shouldn't matter at all.

As far as the war with Iraq, BUSH'S FIRST priority should have been to bring Bin Laden to justice, not attack a nation that was no threat to us. Sure, the Iraqis suffered under brutal dictatorship, but we can't go after EVERY dictator, because if so, there's one much closer to home, just to to the most southern point in Florida, and go 85 miles out into the Atlantic and you'd find one. Those people also suffered under brutal dictatorship, and since I grew up in South Florida, and more than 50% of the population are Cuban, I know what I'm talking about.

Now, concerning the soldiers "not being forced into war", that depends on how you look at it. Okay, physically they weren't forced. They weren't threatened with jail time, but they were "emotionally forced" so to speak. They were brainwashed into believing that they were fighting for OUR freedom, a just and noble cause. They had NO IDEA that the weapons of mass destruction was all a lie, and they had no idea they were DYING all in the name of oil. I've said it once, I will say it again, if it wasn't for oil, we NEVER would have gone to war with Iraq. This is what Cindy Sheehan is so upset about. Our soldiers, including her son, Casey, were tricked into going to war in Iraq based on a bunch of lies. It's amazing the number of people who bitched over Bill Clinton's ONE lie, but at least not one single person lost his or her life over that lie, still people couldn't stay out of his pants-no pun intended! And you know, after all is said and done, why did BUSH state that "capturing Bin Laden was not a priority of his", and then why was going after a dictator, as cruel as he may have been to his own people, but no threat to us. Do you REALLY want to talk about hypocrisy? I could go on and on, but I'd be typing all night, and my typing skills are far from perfect.

 

..I get emails all the time about President Obama being Muslim and being the Anti-Christ and all that good garbage.  I dismiss it as just that, garbage. To respond gives them the the attention they desire, and that is not the political battle I want to participate in. Mindless debate will detract from the issues that I have serious concerns about, President Obama could be a canibal for all I care, as long as he stuck to food that was already dead. 

As far as President Bush saying that capturing Bin Laden was not a priority, there were a lot of domestic issues that needed his attention and trusted that EVERY commander of EVERY soldier and EVERY undercover operative that we have in Afghanastan has made capturing the man their priority.

Oil, odd how Iraq is only about oil.  The fact that the UN investigation teams found components of WMD's and Saddam wouldn't comply with the orders from the UN to let them search the WHOLE country, for years, has nothing to do with it- it was just about oil. How on earth could a sane individual think that we went to war for oil in a country we get very little from?  Here, in order of where we get our oil from, where is Iraq??? 
1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil

The fact that the Iraq government was supplying known terrorists groups with money, weapons, food, training facilities, etc., has nothing to do with it, it is just about the oil.  It all makes sense to me now.


It is so obvious you have never been a service member.  I wonder if you have ever even known a service member.  To say that our service members are just "brainwashed into believing that they are fighting for OUR freedom, a just and noble cause, and they had no idea they were dying all in the  name of oil" is demeaning to every single service member.  As for Castro, he was smart enough not to sucker punch us even with the backing of Russia. 

In conclusion do you support President Obama in his continuing battle against terrorism?  ..
 

As always, excellent Lisa. Thank you for defending our brave soldiers. I've posted this link so many times over the 'blog years', I actually have it bookmarked for easy reference http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp The UN, as only they can do, gave him plenty of time to move stuff around and destroy things before they finally went in to look. Suppose you all were running drugs out of your home, and the DEA said "I think you've got drugs in there, I'm coming back in 3 weeks to check and if you do, you're under arrest". What moron would still have the drugs there when the DEA arrived a month later??!! This guy was a cunning,conniving madman who gassed his own people for fun! Of course, we have no reason to believe he had them...Sean Penn checked himself(insert rolling eyes here).
  And yes...Obama has continued all of those "failed Bush policies" in terms of Homeland Security, hasn't he? Funny what a morning spent with military intelligence leaders will do for a man.


 

Just a small note to ask - Does anyone remember when JFK first started his campaign for the Presidency?  People were afraid of a Catholic being in the White House.  The Pope would run the country.  Didn't turn out that way though, did it?  Now people seem fixated about a Muslim (I know he's not).  Why can't people just give him a chance?
 

I agree. Problem is that some people are lumping ALL Muslims in with 9-11. Guilt by association, if you know what I mean.

 

I have to remind you that the "liberals" sat in total silence while President Bush laid out bold-faced lies about WMD's, Yellow cake and an Iraqi connection to 9/11 to the joint Houses of Congress. What made their silent respect all the more extraordinary were the circumstances. Most Democrats knew or suspected the President was simply making stuff up in his drive to War: his lies have so far cost over 4,000 US lives...yet the "liberals" stayed respectfully silent.

 

The thing that really bothers me about the Republican's behavior is that they have hounded Obama from Day one when he took office... I have NEVER witnessed such disrespect of a President that has been in office less than a year. Obama campaigned that he would fix the healthcare problem and now people are shocked he is trying to do what he promised.  I am still in disbelief of that fact that the Reps are calling Obama a liar when they are making commercials with blatant lies about his healthcare program... I wish all the hate going back and forth would stop so we could get the specifics of what this is all about... I am a single mom working full time and going back to school to be a teacher and I am a healthy adult... My son is a very healthy 9 year old.. I pay over $600 a month on health insurance that won't even cover routine tests like colonoscopies and mammograms... I seriously struggle to feed my family because of it... but am terrified of not having it. Let's get real... Please shut up and let those of us that are really struggling with paying health care find out if this would provide some relief that we so badly need. I can't imagine that I would have to pay more taxes for the public option than I do now for private insurance which is over $7000 a year!
 

Do you get dizzy sometimes, from all of that spinning?!! Here are the quotes from the Democrats(many pre-9/11) about Saddam/WMDs ..http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp.. and here's the best article I could find about the ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL transfer of power from Congress to the White House(signed by many of your favorite Dems) ..http://www.albionmonitor.com/0402a/iraqwarunconstitutional.html.. Then...they gave Pres Bush a standing ovation when he announced we were going. Don't you think that's taking that "silent respect" thing a little too far?
  They were "for it before they were against it", but they were for it at the time. I can't even begin to process how you get believe that all of the above was just showing silent respect for the President, and not speaking up when lives were at stake. I've never known Hillary Clinton to be silent about anything. They did NOT know the President was lying, and when they changed their minds about that...it wasn't pretty, and it wasn't SILENT.

 

From the documentaries I've seen I don't know that there is actual proof of Bush's connections...is it hidden documentation that is not available to the public?  I did come across a dear friend on youtube a few months ago that spoke out on the Oklahoma City bombing and how it really exploded...General Benton Partin was qualified to make his remarks.  I had dated his son way back in the 70's and know for a fact that he is a trustworthy fellow.

I just watched a fabulous live webcast this evening for 9/11.  It was at ..www.insidetherevolution.org.. with Joel Rosenberg.  Whether or not you're a Christian, the "true" stories on this are fascinating.  The company I work for has had the privilege of filming Mr. Rosenberg on several occasions - so I know of him well and believe that the work that he is doing in Iraq, Israel and other countries is of benefit not only to the Muslims but also to America.  You may have heard of his best selling books...he wrote "The Last Jihad" before 9/11...it is fiction but was incredibly close to what happened at 9/11.  His interview on one of the programs we produced explains his motivation then and his continued motivation.  Again, this is someone I feel is qualified to make his remarks. And by the way he had some positive things to say about President Obama.

I'm sure that the Democrats and Republicans must also have some reach and help programs for Iraq as well - just don't know of any off hand.
 

I've been watching Cspann..... Because I want to know more on what is going on...but it's getting hard to keep up with some of what they are saying(...I tried to hang in there...it's sort of boring though...you guys make it fun) so if any of you guys could elaborate on either sides positions, or reasons for going against/for the bill I would really appreciate it.  I find it easier to understand this stuff when it comes from different perspectives and explained further. 
Peace and love
-Mel =)

 

That's a great idea Melissa...to have a big round table discussion here on the blog about health care reform. We could probably brainstorm, compromise, discuss pros and cons better than those useful idiots in Washington. Charlie...what do you think?

 

Melissa is not the only one that could learn from this.  I'm sure there are things we could all learn.  Brilliant post Melissa.  Please stay with us.  There are things we could all learn from you.
 

That was very distracting and rude.  Imagine if everybody there blurted out what they were really thinking..
 

I totally agree--it was an embarassment for the whole US.  This is a bit off subject, and yet not, got an e-mail today from the AFA-(American Family Assoc ) with the headline "Planned Parenthood Clinics inside your schools!!! Ostensibly, under ObamaCare these clinics will be set up in our schools at taxpayer expense---OK--WILL THE OPPOSITION STOP AT NOTHING!!! You know, for most of my life (which is longer than I like to admit) , I was a R.epublican---Thank goodness I switched parties -it would be so disheartening to be part of a groupo that stooped to such miserable tactic--