I think that it is interesting that more than half these people have to stop and think about what they are saying and they don't have an answer to the questions the interviewer has for them. Plus the fact that they don't have a clue what they are protesting against. At least know what you are talking about before you go out there and speak. What has happened to our country!?
 

no words..
there will be always someone ready to judge and to critic even before to know what's really happening..so, startin' by the fact they don't know what they are talkin' about, I wonder if their can even be considered an opinion!

what impress me the most is the Hitler thing they bring out.. i don't know.. maybe they don't know or they forgot what happened with Hitler and his politic.. what I know.. for sure.. is that comparison they make is something so wrong and so unrespectful for those that with him lived all those pain.. and for all the victims he made...!

respect.. above all... respect..

 

 
..be afraid, America...be very afraid!

You don't have to be afraid of these people. Out of 2 million, this person puts a mike in front of maybe a dozen people who may not know their facts ,and aren't good when put on the spot to answer questions. I captained a bus of 56 people, who knew their facts. The why's and the where fours. And could have answered those questions and more in a heart beat.
I don't fear good people that came on their own dime from every state in the union to voice their concern for what is happening in this country. This is America, and the one last freedom we have is to vent our frustration openly without fear of imprisonment.
As for Glen Beck or Fox news.. they may not be perfect, but they are the only station that is not in bed with the administration. (or at least have one foot on the floor, anyway)  They do report on most of the news. I wont say all, because I do think that they are controlled also. But not as much as MSMBC, or ABC, or CBS.
Normally they do try and show both sides. Not always completely, but better than there counter parts. We have a controlled media. Freedom of the press is gone. When the press is in bed with the administration, then you do not have free press. That is a lot of the outrage the people are upset about . We are not being told the truth, by the administration that's in now, or those before it.
The people that I spoke to are registered Republican (mostly), but are concerned  and  they don't trust them either. So its not a Rep. verses the Dem's. Its more like, we are being lied to from all sides, and we are mad as hell, and we don't want to take it anymore.
The hatred you see or hear about "O" is because he is and has been the obsolete worst of the lot.
It is very scary. And American's have finally said "Enough". When this universal health care was going to be shoved down our throats, that was the straw that broke the camels back.
   He said, judge me by who I hang with. That being said, that is very scary.
There isn't a one that he has around him to advise him or help him that isn't very scary in their own right. From the Rev. Wright, to Bill Ares, to the crazies he has picked as Czars, etc..
The mob type that would be found in Chicago, is now in Washington.
Why couldn't they have come up with a plan to 
help the working poor, or backed Medicaid/Medicare, enough.
providing  a way for the uninsured to buy into the system, without tearing apart our whole healthcare system, is what woke up the sleeping giant. You saw all the elderly coming out to those town hall meetings.. Since when have you ever heard of those meetings being standing room only.
Social Security is bankrupt. Medicare is bankrupt, Medicaid is bankrupt, our country is bankrupt. We are borrowing money from China, that we will never be able to pay back. NEVER!
And we want to cover all these people that don't work, and haven't worked and paid into the system. Your illegals, and those who have lived their lives on welfare. Why, because they could.
That's who we are going to pay for, when we are printing up money to cover these people..
And that printing up money, with nothing to back it up.. means that at some point, its all going to hit the fan, and then we go into hyper inflation.. This is not rocket science here.
This stuff just doesn't add up. If you cant afford it, you cant buy it.
That is what the Tea Party's are mainly about. People are looking at, how and if I am going to survive. Can I retire? Can I afford to eat, pay my mortgage. Are the taxes on my carbon footprint going to sink me under. These are the questions, and many more from the people that worked all their lives, and made this country what it is today. Not the ones that have learned how to milk this country for all its worth. Payday, is coming!.. That's what this is mainly about.
You might make loads of money in your acting career. But the rest of us are the middle class.
We have to scrimp and save. And are not much more than one or two paychecks away from disaster. So please get off your high horse, and see things from down here.
The veterans that have come back from the wars, and are informed that they are a drain on their county, and their family, and they should end it all and do us all a favor is a disgrace.
The elderly, and the disabled, should also do the same thing. That is inhuman.
This president, and his administration are what is giving us that last push into oblivion...

 

God Bless you Sunshine...well said!
 

Thank you. I might have gotten alittle to angry sounding. I dont mean to be. Its just a subject that I feel very stongly about. God bless!!
 

Please explain to me why you believe that Veterans are told what you say they are or that the elderly and the disabled are also told such things.  Please explain??   Who says these inhumane things?  Where?  Please tell me...

 

I am 61 and quite disabled.  Nothing like this has ever been said to me.  I would just dare them to try.
 

Oh, where to start.

First off, there is a good deal of anger that always exists in America. It seems to be part of our nation's personality. The Republicans have managed to tap into it right now. 

The idea that Fox News is balanced is ludicrous. I tend to watch MSNBC, mostly because it's what my wife likes. But I at least am aware that it is for the most part an unabashedly liberal viewpoint. I don't think the mainstream network news is particularly biased toward anything except sensationalism. The liberal bias is a myth. They have a bias toward things that will get people to tune in, thereby encouraging corporate sponsors to buy advertising time.

Nobody's shoving universal healthcare down anybody's throat. We had an election. Remember? One of the main platforms of the Democratic ticket was universal healthcare. That's one of the reasons the Democrats won the election so handily. The only thing shoved was ballots into the ballot box.

As per your inference that anybody who thinks these wars are unaffordable is thereby insulting the soldiers who have fought them, you are again just dead ass wrong. It is the Democrats who have been supportive of more funding for the soldiers down the line. The Republican administration didn't seem to care about them one way or the other once they came home, and was literally sending mothers of infants to combat zones.  I personally know of instances where that happened. It is the Democrats who are also as responsible for the wars as the Republicans, who refused to adequately debate the efficacy of going to war to begin with. The national deficit is almost identical to the amount spent on the wars. Just look at the numbers. The wars are a drain on the economy. That's just the math.  I have friends and relatives who are there now. I've volunteered my time to help out at National Guard events for soldiers and their families going overseas. Blah blah. I'm not gonna get my boxers all bunched up over this. You're making an assumption that is factually incorrect.  Before these wars, under Bill Clinton,  we had a budget surplus. After 8 years of Bush we've now got a tremendous deficit.  If we're going to continue to fight these wars then we should raise the tax revenue to pay for them and institute the draft, because they've bankrupt the country and an unfair and unreasonable burden has been placed on our National Guard troops.  And please don't stand there and wave your flag in my face and pretend you're more of a patriot than I am. I said please. Ain't I civil?

I agree with you that we can't continue to print up money with nothing to back it up.

As per universal healthcare, the big oooh scary bugaboo part of the deal is apparently the government option. Option is the key word. Nobody's forcing anybody to use the option. That government program should be designed so it basically pays for itself. But opponents of any government option have been so virulent that we've squandered any opportunity for intelligent debate. If you stand there screaming with your mouth wide open, something might eventually go in it.

I obviously don't know Mr. Shaughnessy's finances, but let me assure you most actors are not just rolling in extra cash. They have families, mortgages, etc. just like anyone else. The entertainment industry, like most industries, has suffered in these hard economic times. From the outside you see the shiny surface and make assumptions about what is underneath that surface. Underneath the surface, it's a business, much like any other business.  Again, an assumption that people in that business live in some bubble where they are immune to the problems we all face in our daily lives is just plain wrong. They're just normal people. Okay, well kinda normal....

I agree with you that it is not so much Republicans vs. Democrats that is the root of all this anger. However I think the Republicans are fanning the flames for their own agenda. Meanwhile, it does no good for us to be totally polarized as a populace, throwing accusations at each other.

And last but not least, I think it bugs the hell out of a lot of people that a Negro is the President of the United States of America. The idea that racism just somehow died in it's sleep is laughable. It is alive and well and raising it's ugly head. I'm not one who sees racism in everything. For instance, I thought that the Harvard professor was a douche for how he acted when the cop came to investigate a robbery at his house. But to deny that racism is a factor in this current "debate" is duplicitous at best. Obama himself is denying it, maybe both for political reasons and because of an unwillingness to see America for what it really is. But it's there, big time. A scant 160 years ago black people were still slaves in this country. The Confederacy fought hard to keep them. They lost. And now there's a Negro in the White House. You think that doesn't irk the hell out of some people on the most basic level? President Carter was right. Racism is a huge factor in this supposed "taking back" of America. What are they gonna take us back to? Segregation? Jim Crow? The Civil War? The flowering of the Old South? No thanks. I'm much more interested in an agenda that takes us forward.       

 

..Ok David, I am going to ask you to put your money where your mouth is. Which healthcare option do you want?  HR 676? HR 3200? The Max Baucus Plan??  Now you know that if you don't want one of these you are against healthcare reform.  You tell me which one of these makes any sense to you.  Because you are going to have to pay for that garbage whether or not you want to. The "Government Option" is not an option, read the fine print, with all of them if you don't have some kind of insurance you will get a hefty fine, so what is the option?  Oh yeah, pay for inadequate coverage or get fined, some option there.

The Democrats supported the soldiers while President Bush was in office?? That is why they held back funding for the war, literally holding the welfare of our soldiers hostage, until they got some bill they wanted??? Yeah it really sucked because I was in Iraq when they did that, do you know what it did to the soldiers when they found out that they weren't getting the funding for things like food, weapons, ammunition and replacements???  I do. Hillary Clinton spearheaded that one, that is why I would have left the country had she become president.

President Clinton had a budget surplus in a few areas.  He removed the free medical for retired military, those that spent their lives serving this country, told them that they are only intitled to VA, there was a surplus in that program.  They reduced funding to the US Forest Service, we now pay to use forest service land, surplus in that area.  He reformed welfare, put women to work making $4/hr, but he was paying childcare providers from a different fund $2/hr per child, yeah surplus in the welfare system.  Odd that he would pay a total stranger to take care of your kids, but he wouldn't pay you to take care of your own.   He had a surplus in some of his domestic policies, but not in his foreign policies. ......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Clinton_Administration..
....Now I will never deny racism in this.  But for President Carter get on national television and say that the only reason the Republicans are disagreeing with President Obama is because they are racist is f*****g ludicrous.  Then would that mean the Black Republicans that disagree with President Obama are traitors to their race? "To deny that racism is a factor in this current "debate" is duplicitous at best."  But to say that racism is the ONLY reason for this debate is as wrong as hiring a pedifile to teach 2nd grade. ..
 

Oh Lisa....thank you for sharing your insight and for your service. Your reply speaks volumes.
  As for the Carter speech and all of those crying 'racism'...where were you when Clarence Thomas was having his Supreme Ct. nomination hearings? Where were the parades and accolades when Condi Rice was named Secretary of State? Where was the jubilation that a black was the most powerful woman in the country? Why did the black community attack Bill Cosby when he said, basically, "pull up your pants, put your hat on the right way and quit the Ebonics", but practically swoon when Obama said almost the same thing?
  Sadly..I know where some of those race-baiters were..they were outside the OJ Simpson courtroom, yelling that he was innocent and just being framed because he was black(gee, maybe it's because he had a police record of domestic violence, but don't let that stand in the way of your agenda, Rev. Al). News flash: OJ hasn't been "black" since the mid-70s. As I said previously, it's like the boy who cried wolf..and someday when there really IS a racial motivation, it will be ignored. All this talk is not only fueling black on white anger, the white frustration over not being able to have a discussion without that distraction is getting pretty strong too.

 

..I'm going to  try to take your responce one by one.

First off, there is a good deal of anger that always exists in America. It seems to be part of our nation's personality. The Republicans have managed to tap into it right now. 
1. ..Its not just the Republicans that are angry, its Demarcates and  all the rest in the middle.
..I tend to watch MSNBC ~The liberal bias is a myth.
..You said that you tend to watch MSNBC, and don’t you feel that station is bias too?? I watch it when I'm clicking around, because I like to see what the white house run media is saying. And they do say a lot on there.............I get some good ear fulls. Love that Keith Oberman.. (said with a little sarcasm in my voice.) Talk about liberal bias..........I don’t think its just to get people to tune in, like you say. I think its because if you look at who owns NBC, you'll find its GE. And if you look at who and what drives GE, you'll find obama..........Don’t have to believe me, do the search, for yourself.
..We had an election. Remember?
....I do remember the election. Do you know how many people are suffering with buyers remorse?? A LOT!
...... As per your inference that anybody who thinks these wars are unaffordable is thereby insulting the soldiers who have fought them, you are again just dead ass wrong.....I don’t have a clue of what you are referring to. I never said that the war was unaffordable. ........I also want to make it clear, once again.. The movement is angry at the Republicans too. Almost just as much as ........they are angry at the obama administration.
..As per your inference that anybody who thinks these wars are unaffordable is thereby insulting the soldiers who have fought them, you are again just dead ass wrong.......I don’t have a clue of what you are referring to. I never said that the war was unaffordable. ........I also want to make it clear, once again.. The movement is angry at the Republicans too. Almost just as much as ........they are angry at the obama administration. .......... ......You spoke about after the Clinton years, we were left with a surplus. Tell me please, how can you have a surplus, if you owe money out. You only have a surplus if your bills are paid. If I remember correctly, he also was running a ........a debt, so which is it, a debt, or a surplus? Do the math, its not hard. 10.00 surplus, 100.00 owed.. I don’t see a surplus.. .......... ......I think its wonderful that you volunteer your time for our vets. But I have no idea of what assumption I am factually wrong about.  You also spoke of 8 years of bush, and the tremendous deficit, but your don’t seem to care about the deficit that obama is racking up. ........By the way, I never was waving my flag and pretending that I was more patriot than you. Please don’t get me mixed up with someone else that you are thinking of. .......... ......In regards to the idea that the universal health care will not affect the reg. insurers. ........There is a video out on you tube of obama saying what he wants to see happen in regards to health care.........The government plan is his ultimate goal. Look it up, its there.........So if that is from his own mouth, then what are we to think???........In fact most of what I am upset with, is what I've heard him say, right from his own mouth.........So its not what I've heard on Fox news, or the news paper, or any one web site.........I used many sources of places for information to come to understand what is really happening here.........Most people the I know do the same thing. We just don’t take one news agency's word for it.........We check out many sources, and make up our own minds.
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I'm going to stop here, cause this is  getting really long. But I think you are getting the idea.
Thanks for hearing me out.

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You don't have a good enough grasp of the English language for me to intelligently respond. Your reading comprehension is very low. Sorry.

 

hi david,
i got the last reply. i problem was, i was kind of going thought by thought, and when it showed up on the blog, it looked like i was all over the place. i wasn't.. but that's the way it showed up.
sorry about that.
you said, you thought fox made stuff up... not sure about that. but i think they all make stuff up..
 

I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, re:racism. Yes, I'm sure there are Archie Bunkers out there who don't want a black man in the White House...sad as that is. But, look at the other side of the coin. Obama has broken every campaign promise he made....said no lobbyists would work with him, said he wanted to bring change and not use the same old faces(that Clinton Cabinet looks awfully familiar), that the Patriot Act was bad for this country and a Bush failed policy(then kept it AND expanded it), that bills would be online for 5 days for us to see and comment, that health care would be reformed by televised discussions with input from the people. ALL LIES....and I suspect that for many Americans, they are so bedazzled by a "Negro" in the White House, they have blinders on. Black people see a "brother in the house"(their words), white liberals feel all warm and fuzzy. He is up on a pedestal BECAUSE he is black, not hated because of it.
  These charges of "racism" come out when you guys can't answer a question or can't see what's in front of you. Obama hires his buddy Van Jones...a communist racist radical with a prison record...and we just don't like him because he's black?! ACORN gets caught(more than once) not only messing with voter registration, but helping an "undercover" pimp set up a whorehouse with 13 yo illegal immigrant girls.....but nope, that's just a racial smear campaign. It's like people can't see that these things are WRONG. Now Jimmy Carter, the anti-Semite, tells us that we're racist...a man who passed out brochures of his opponent hugging 2 black football players to smear him and who called Lester Maddox(the segregationist) a great man. Can't you see that it's like the boy who cried "wolf"?  For all of the times you cry "it's just because he's black", there are just as many(or more) who voted for him/support him..just because he's black. Then there are the rest of us, who focus on the issues.

 

Don't think the humor of you playing 'Devil's Advocate' escapes me... I'd love to have a glass of wine with you some time, in church or out...

Okay.

I'm not one to scream racism about Obama all the time. But the vitriol has really been turned up way beyond anything I've ever witnessed. Even against the loathed and much maligned Bill and Hillary Clinton, it wasn't near this level. Being as you're from New Jersey, or at least live there, you relate bigotry to Archie Bunker. Who is an excellent example. But unless you've spent a good deal of time in the Deep South, you have no idea how bigotry rears its ugly head down there. Nor, interestingly enough, do I think Barack Obama really knows. But he's finding out.  Jimmy Carter definitely knows. He grew up among these people. There are a lot of people who literally have never gotten over the Civil War. There are pockets of so-called white trash scattered throughout the South whose only societal redemption is that at least they aren't black. And for them to see a black man in the White House, as president of the nation, as leader of the free world... well, it drives 'em ballistic. When Ronald Reagan ran for president, he made blatant overtures to these folks, and they've been for the most part loyal Republicans ever since. Without them, the Republicans can not win a national election. In their minds (the White Trash constituency, for lack of a better term), when you combine somebody who believes in a strong federal government, who they are afraid (for no disceernible reason I've ever found) is going to take away their guns, who they are being told by outright liars in the media is a closet Muslim instead of a Christian, who they are told is in fact not even an American citizen, and then throw into the mix that he is of Negro descent, then you are basically inciting them to riot. Maybe not in New Jersey. But absolutely in the Deep South. And if that ain't playin' the race card, then I don't know what is.

I never felt all warm and fuzzy about Obama being in the White House. I voted for him because I thought he was by far the best candidate. I was certainly not bedazzled. And you'll find I'm pretty critical of him. I don't put him on a pedestal at all. I hold him as accountable for his words and actions as anyone else holding political office. In spite of that, I certainly don't have any "buyer's remorse". I never saw him as some great savior figure. I saw him, and still do, as an adept politician with a great mind. He's still in his first year of office. The learning curve is tremendous. I haven't given up on him at all.  I think he's going to be a great president.

My main complaint about Obama in regard to social reform is that he has been way too nice. I wish he was ramming healthcare reform down the nation's throat. But he's not. He's been way too conciliatory. As have most of the Democratic leaders.  That's my view as an independent voter...        

 

I'd love to have a glass of wine with you too, sir! As you can see from my avatar, when Charlie and I meet in person there is no bloodshed. ;o). As I said on one of the other blogs, you belong to the Party of Common Sense. I know that you aren't one who sees no wrong in Obama, but many do. Even the things he's screwed up are seen as "the right wing's fault". I belong to a large online community where most are fiscal conservatives/social moderates..but the range is from far-left progressives to far-right anarchists. Someone there actually had the chutzpah to say yesterday, that the reason Obama kept/expanded the Patriot Act was because he was placating the right wing!! Uh...perhaps he learned something in that top-level security briefing on his first day of work, that changed his perspective? Despite having a veto-proof House, a filibuster-proof Senate and complete control of the White House...they can't get this health care bill passed...because he's pandering to the right? Oy vey. He can't sell it to HIS OWN PARTY. I swear, Obama could kill a kitten on live tv, and some people would insist that some right-winger poisoned it first(and then Charlie would start a blog about it, and there would be 5 pages of comments about how scary the right is for poisoning an innocent kitten).
   You may well be right about the 'southern racial division' that I just don't see or hear. My area is very diverse....trust me, Conservative Evangelicals are the minority here, in Jewish/Catholic land. I don't know a world without blacks, latinos, Asians, etc being my neighbors..and I'm 50 yrs old. The race issues that erupted in the 60s were on my tv, not in my backyard..and we agreed with those fighting for civil rights. Archie Bunkers existed, but didn't actually DO anything(plus, he was an equal-opportunity hater). Around these parts, there are more Meatheads than Archies. So, I apologize if my "put down the race card" has hurt anyone.
   All I can try to say is what I feel, and what I'm hearing online and in real life...if Obama were white with the same policies...we'd still be protesting.

 

Oh David.... this is soooo hilarious.... here I am... listening to this ridiculous news reel of the NASCAR masses and reading these crazy lathered up comments from people.... and I start on yours.... and I'm like, "oh my goodness, he's sensible, not way far either way, knows that it's all about ratings, period!!!"  And I start to scroll down to continue to read some more and there is your picture and I realize it's YOU!   LOL.  This would explain why we are good buddies huh?
Yup.  Yikes.  I really was happier when I lived in Hawaii and did not watch TV and had NO clue how many people are.
It reminds me of when I traveled the US with Up With People in the 80's.  I really was unprepared for what Mid West America took as fact about people they had never known.  It broke my heart, some of the things I heard fellow cast members and host families say.  Yikes!  Being from Yuma, AZ, and hearing the "n" word once, coming home and asking Mom about it and she said "it's a filthy dirty, nasty word, and only filthy, dirty nasty people use it"  Yup, that registered as true in 2nd grade.  Still rings true.  I wish people didn't want to hate.  And yes, I know it goes both ways.  But you can't help but stand at the Stone Mountain carvings and wonder, "uh, do they realize they lost the war?".  And yeah,  I have far left friends that I just shake my head at too.  Maybe people just feel safe hating anything that's not like them.  Yikes.

 

I know a lot of Liberal Democrats that would be offended at the generization of NASCAR masses, and this redneck doesn't watch NASCAR, she watches football.
 

u guys unwillingness or fear of change. And constantly thinking only of "ourselves" instead of the common good of mankind is what is sending our Counntry into the dumb dumb oblivion!  Didn't O's campagin say "Vote for a Change!"  If certain things can work in other countries, why can't it work in America.  Time to take a look around us.  The World! And get off of your high horses, thinking that we are smarter or better than eveyone else in the world.  And I blame Christianity somewhat and the fact that we always think that we are the "best" (our own ego has gone to our heads).  Christianity, for teaching us that we are the "only" ones going on to heaven.  What makes us so special?   Stop whinning!  Be thankful you are not born in Northern Africa or some other horrible place.  At least you are not hungry yet!  The government is trying to help us, you idiots.  Hitler was an evil, world domination, & mass murderer.  Ya'll are embarrassing our county.  The world is watching and probably laughing at us again.  And I don't blame them. Some people in Iraq made the man that threw the shoes at Bush, their  freaking hero.  So, sit down and shut up before the terrriosts that are here wake up and North Korea see an opprotunity to do something stupid.  And we are to busy being distracted by all this crap.  Do you even have a clue how hard it is and how impossible it is to live on a $200.00 a month welfare check?  Stop judging  people all the time.  Let's just please take a hard look at ourselves  and stop hiding behind Jesus as an excuse to get away with it. Christians and rednecks are not even from Jerusalem.  We are not even God's chosen people.  I personally, am nervous about even being affileated with a group of people who destroyed the entire Native American civilzation single handedly in the name of our greed for more land.  Sounds more like Hitler to me.
 

Screwed up their on the last sentence there.  What I meant to say was the pilgrims tried to convert the Indians to a different way of life and their religion.  Oh yea, it was the US government that drove them off their land. Woops!  Trying to blame the pilgrims for something they didn't even do.  Well, I am still sad for the Indians.  Guess there was some corruption in the gov.  See, we are greedy Americans!.  But, President Obama wasn't invloved in that, at least. lol  I don't believe that the march has anything to do with his being a black man, though.  Maybe only a very few protestors were there for that reason.
 

How can you be so sure that MSNBC-ABC-CBS-CNN-et al. are controlled by the government ? Maybe. just maybe they are reporting things just the way they are, and that FOX NEWS is the network giving it the biased slant--just my observation-
 

Hello Beverly,

I really believe that they are all controlled. I just think Fox is alittle less then the rest. Some would say for ratings. I couldn't say.. But they hold back on information too. Its  maddening. 
 I believe that we are told what they want us to know. And no one bit more.
I dont trust anything the government has any think to do with.
The sad but true truth..
Have a good one..

 

I apologize if I was construed as being rude in my last comment directed at you. But you misquoted and apparently misunderstood so much of what I wrote that it was impossible to reply. You're quite concise and understandable on this one. Dead ass wrong, of course. Fox News just makes stuff up.  

 

Ya lost me at 'Payday is coming'  There is nothing that I have found in HR 676 or HR 3200 that recommend the disturbed, disabled or elderly take their own life.  I do remember getting an email about some idiot sending a report to President Obama saying something to that effect.  Since I didn't find it in the bills, I didn't even bother to check it with snopes.
 

"I captained a bus of 56 people, who knew their facts."

That's great. If you were the captain, I don't think that we should be too concerned about the rest of them and their facts.....

And speaking about facts. I am not an actor. However I grew up among them. Making the comments you made about Charles and the other actors, is like saying that all American Farmers or all American workers are like the big AgroIndustrial corporation, or like the big manufacturing corporation in America... It shows that your facts are not realistic...

Only a handful of actors make it in the national spot light, and unfortunately most of those who make it are not even real talents. There are plenty of talented actors who have to hold two jobs to make a living and to share their talent with us....

 

You would think, if you were going to be holding a giant sign, you would at least know about the particular issue you are holding said giant sign about.

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Terrified Charley, terrified.
 

..Most of the people on this clip could not even tell the commentator what they were there for.  Abolish Medicare?  We'll need thousands more doctors if the health care bill passes!  (That's a whole nother can of worms)  Communism, fashism and socialism are all interchangeable!  When asked questions many of them looked around as if seeking answers from someone else.  I, for one, would be frightened out if my wits if any of these people got in power.  It was almost a "mob mentality". . . . .Of course, on the other side of the coin, we don't know what was edited out.  It may have taken them all day to find a handful of people to film.  They did keep asking the same ones over and over. . . . I was in a state of shock by the time this clip ended.  (Joe Wilson for President!  Sure thing, we'll do that!!)..
 

THey dont want to abolish Medicare. THey are saying that it is bankrupt. So why would America want to hand over their health care, if everything the government touches goes bankrupt?
They cant even do "Cash for klunkers" right..
 

When asked what he would do with Medicare, one of the protestors said "Abolish it".  And what health care do you think will be turned over?  Many people have no coverage.  None of the health care option will cover illegals.
 

None of the options tell us what it is going to cost either.  Changing who pays for it does not change the high cost of healthcare.  President Obama promised real change, where is the change??  He is just putting up another insurance policy, we have enough of those.  We need to control health care costs, not just who is paying for it.
 

I think the whole point of this is that everyone have some kind of coverage.  (That is the change, maybe?)  The only ones that won't have out-of-pocket expenses are the people on Medicaid.  I fall into what is called Medigap right now meaning I have no coverage at all.  Being disabled, for me, any kind of coverage is better than no coverage at all.  At this point nothing is finalized so we don't know what the final costs are going to be.  As I understand it so far there will be limitations on what ins. cos. can charge or be subject to fines.  One can only guess how that will turn out.  What worries me are the co-pays.  There are so many who have no money for premiums much less the co-pays.  I've asked several times, about these insurance limitations but nobody answered me.
 

..I dont know why anyone would answer that way. If you abolish medicare, what would the people on Social security do? My only problem is that medicare, social security, medicade, and so forth are bankrupt. The government stuck their hands in that money and never put it back. That's why I cant for the life of me figure how their going to put millions of more people on the till, when they are having a hard time providing for the ones already on there.
Printing up money, doesn't seem like the best answer either. It will come back to bite us, and then what?
Its happened to other countries, and it could  and will happen here. Scary times are ahead. ..
 

Sunshine - It is my understanding that people will have to pay for this health care option or choose their own private insurer, which they will also have to pay for.  I take that to mean the cost is coming out of their pocket, not the governments.  This is not putting them on the till.
 

Nobody is handing over anything. A government run option is, hopefully, being offered the citizens. That's all. Now the idea that the only people who will be interested in such a thing are welfare deadbeats, well... again, you're dead wrong. People on welfare already get government provided healthcare. It is independent business people, to a large extent, who don't. People who don't work for a huge corporation, who are trying to make it on their own as independent business people. People who work very hard doing something of value which they enjoy doing. Which is the very backbone of the American Dream.  The people who really fear a government option are the very people who are making a killing off the system as it is now. And they fear it because they know a government option will work, and people will sign up for it, and the competition will keep the profits of Big Pharm and the insurance companies down to a reaonable rate. All this talk about taking the country back is really just blather to obfuscate that reality.  

 

David, the issue with the goverment option and private insurance is that it's apples and oranges. I am self-insured,in NJ of all places...$535/month for just me! Private insurance plans are controlled by the states and therefore have smaller pools. The government option would be nationwide, with a much larger pool. Of course the rates would be lower! If we could buy across state lines, the inscos could be more competitive. Private inscos can't compete with a huge nationwide plan....which means they'd go under, and we'd all be forced on the govt. plan. Now it appears we will also have mandatory insurance....what a coup for the insurance lobbyists! Guess those back room deals were worth it, instead of the round table discussions broadcast on C-Span that we were promised. We can "keep our current plan", provided the employers don't just pay the fine(which in NJ/NY/CT/CA/MA would be cheaper than paying the premiums) and provided the insurance company still exists. That's a BIG flaw in this public option....people being forced into a plan made by a government they already don't trust. People like what they have and want to keep it, while at the same time making sure others have equal access. They don't want a plan that will force what they have out of business.
  The public option CAN work, but it needs to be done right...not this mess made in back-rooms with lobbyists fingerprints all over it. That's a big part of the protest...we know our health care payment system is broken, and we knew Obama would be dealing with it. But, to promise televised open discussions with no rushing and doing it right...and then force this on us when it's not complete, has lots of flaws, is incoherent and made to keep the lobbyists happy. It *is* being forced down our throats and the politicians can't even answer questions that are direct quotes from the bill. I don't know how many times we can say...we WANT health care reform, just not this. Go back to the drawing board and talk to THE PEOPLE, not the lobbyists.

 

I agree with you wholeheartedly about the mandatory insurance. That was Hillary's idea in the primaries, it struck me as wrong then, and still does. It irks me no end that Obama made these back room deals. No argument there.

As per the government plan, if the insurance companies go under, so be it. You shouldn't have to pay what you pay for insurance. And it just keeps going up.  Lots of people just plain can't afford it. The insurance companies will have to compete. Just like the rest of us. Hey, the music business has gone in the tank because of digitalization. Illegal filesharing has literally decimated an entire industry. You know what? We adapt. The insurance companies can adapt too.

Obviously Obama threw them a big bone with the mandatory insurance thing. And I'm not happy about it. If a health care reform plan with no public option gets signed into law, believe me, I will be right out there protesting too.

I like the way your mind works. You're a very rational person, and I can tell you've got a big heart. However, I never read the CS Lewis book you mentioned I probably had read in a different post (which I couldn't find here in Blog Land... is that a Bruce Springsteen song?) Don't suppose I will, though maybe. I reached my conclusions re. religion mostly on my own, and coming from a long line of skeptical though humorous people...

 

..I can't believe the nerve of some people in this country.   Speaking against medical care...as Gianna said, half of these people had to stop and think about what to say.  Uh, Uh...yea, they can't say much because these people are twisting the truth!  Most of these people are closet racists and hardcore Christians.  Not that being a Christian is bad (please take no offense), but these ignorant, SOB'S should just come out and say they do not want a non-white president in office.  I can almost guarantee that if it was a white, old, pissed-off, hair club for men, I wouldn't go to strip club when we all know that it's a lie man, there wouldn't be a word said.  These kind of protests did not happen when Bush was in office.  We put up with his bs for 8 years.  We let the past government stomp all over us, send our precious family members over to Iraq for what?  To make these big whigs rich right under our eyes.  If these very same people want their beliefs shoved up their asses, then I do not want to hear them crying when we are in civil war.  The woman at 8:48 has the most annoying voice I have ever heard..."We will die by the constitution"  Her voice sounds more like a confederate voice to me...
 

.. (The woman at 8:48 has the most annoying voice I have ever heard..."We will die by the constitution"  Her voice sounds more like a confederate voice to me...)....You are sounding extremely judgmental, and racist. Don’t you like people from the south? Doesn't sound like it.  
.... ....(Most of these people are closet racists ....but these ignorant, SOB'S should just come out and say they do not want a non-white president in office.)....You are the pot calling the kettle black..... ....You don’t know, because you weren't there. The people that cared enough to get up off their butt, and spend their money to get on a bus, or train, or plane to come and say, enough is enough. That's all it is.....And in America, they can do that. Not one arrest was made that day. So if they were the angry mob, as we've been called, don’t you think someone somewhere would have gotten out of control and done something "arrest=able" ?....They were  a law biding crowd. They picked up their trash when they left. I might add, without a trash can in sight. These where not the "SOB's" that you said they were.....Check the pictures after of the grounds after "O" got elected. The taxpayers had to clean up that mess, to the cost of ???? how much???.... ....I think before anyone  makes comments about this group of people, they should think back to the rallies during the ....Vietnam war. We protested the governments handling of this war, that was killing thousands, and thousands  of people. Does anyone remember those days? This is not much different. ....The fact is that the masses have fallen asleep at the wheel, and we've let the greedy, and stupid take over our government. We used to protest, almost everything back in the 60's and 70's. But once the war was over, everyone went back home and forgot to keep their voices in action.....Myself included. ....The people you saw in that crowd that day, said almost 100%, I've not spoken up since Vietnam.....But they felt they just couldn't stay silent anymore.....They have the right to protest. With whatever signs that reflect their mood, or mindset.....Do I agree with the signs that was in this video, probably not. But that's how they were feeling.....We most likely didn't see what went on the cutting room floor. My guess is that we are just seeing the ones that would make the most controversy. And get people talking from both sides.....So before you judge, and criticize, try to see if you can read between the lines to what are they fighting for.....Why would that many people feel so strongly to protest, like that.....Remember, you haven't seen that kind of energy since the Vietnam protests..... ....Plus, I didn't see one sign, or hear one person say anything about his color. ....We don’t care. He could be purple, for all we care. We are looking at what he is doing, not what he looks like.....I wonder though, if he was fat, and ugly would he have gotten as far as he has.....Just a thought..   ..
 

Hello there Sunshine!  Hope you had a good day.  The biggest issue with me is the fact that alot of people in this country that are jumping on him are white.  That was evident in the video, that is evident in the government, that is evident in the media (Rush Linbaugh, some of the reporters on CNN and such).  Now, I love people of all races; as a matter of fact, my boyfriend is white, and I have dated mostly white guys in my life so far.  But, all of them are tolerant of other races and Obama.  I appreciate that all people have a say in how they feel about the present government.  In the video, I think I did spot a couple non-white people in the crowd.  Just that a lot of these people had somewhat angry undertones to their voices, and felt uncomfortable expressing their true feelings as to why they were there.   I sympathize with Obama.  Coming from a multi-racial background myself, it is at times very hard for people to accept me, for who I am.  Color has been a social barrier for many, many years and lifetimes.  There are some people that cannot look in their hearts and get beyond this issue.   It is sad to me that some people cannot face themselves and admit that do not like a black president in office.   My generation has a tough job just like your guys did in the 60's and 70's.  We appreciate and really look up to you guys for doing what you did for this country.  I hear stories from my mom about how my aunt, who is older than her, went to Washington many times, stood up for Native American rights, she even did burn her bra (that is cool).  So, I guess we are expressing the same feelings like you.  We are the children of your generation, so we do have a taste of protest blood :).   So, I feel that we all should get past the race barrier and talk politics in a non-threatening way.   He's been in office for no more than 8 months and he has put up with a lot of critisism.  The economy crashed, and it will be a while before we see drastic results.  Obama has a positive outlook, yet I must admit that we need patience.  Things are still bad, but, the sun is slowly coming out.
 

..Hi there Rebecca,....I can see what you are saying. I just haven't heard anything like that in my comings and goings. Anyone that I have spoken to take issue with his policies, verses his color. I personally don’t see how color is an issue.....His being half black means nothing to me. It might mean something to someone else, but it is not what I see.....I see a good looking man, who is slender, and looks good in a suit. And has a very nice smile. But that's where it ends. I feel that his ideas on how this country should be and how he should run it is totally wrong in my opinion.....I think that printing up money to save this country, is only going to back fire on us.....When we go into hyper inflation, is he still going to blame bush? Yes, bush made a mess of things, and I think anyone that was running against him would have made their own mess. But to come into office and make things a trillion times worse is unbelievable to me. It shows his lack of experience. ....Its true that the majority of protesters where white, middle age people. But we did have some black people there too. There could be reasons for that.. I don’t know. ....As for the people that seemed uncomfortable when being interviewed, I have to wonder if they just got nerves, and their minds went out to lunch for a moment. I know if someone stuck a mike in my face, I would probably go into a brain freeze.  Doesn't take much for my mind to freeze up these days.. ....You were talking about coming from a mixed racial back round yourself. I'm sure that you'd hear things and pick up on things that a white person wouldn't even hear. Not on purpose, but you'd be more sensitive to it.....I  am like that on other things. ....If that was obama's experience, I'm sure that would affect his ideas on how things should be done.....I just don’t think that its totally good for the country.....Some of it would be. To make people color blind, would be nice. Blind people don't care what the color of a persons skin is, because they cant see it anyway.....But to have reverse discrimination is also wrong. And that is what I see and hear.....Just because he is black doesn't mean that we cant disagree with him. When we do, we are called racist. That is wrong. Instead of listing to what the ideas are, they are already cut down, and put up to being racist.....That is wrong. Both sides of racism are wrong..... ....I was reading what you wrote about your mom, and her bra burning.. haha.. I'd love to burn mine.. ....But the girls would be left hangin, so I cant do that... There already hitting the floor........Well, good talking to ya......Take it easy..
Sunshine***....
 

..Hey again!  I can understand where you are coming from.  But I think that alot of people would say that white people do not have a good track record towards the treating other races equally.  It is a sad thing because even though most white people consider themselves not racists, there are still alot where they cannot get over the issue.  So, when people like myself say that they are racist against Obama, that is from the archives throughout our history.   Now maybe it is karma that some people still have hatred and the rest of the race is paying for it.   One thing I know for sure is that it is the offer of education that walks the streets of New York, Milwaukee, etc. that some people do not want to take.  Being uneducated is the biggest culprit in the blockage of harmony.  So, in turn, we need to learn as a nation to get over these issues and find true peace.  With many, many viewpoints that will be difficult.  But I believe that there is a medium that can teach us to get along with each other.  History cannot change itself, but we can strive to put a dent in it!  ..
 

Hi Rebecca!  I am going to have to disagree with just about everything you say.  Your conclusion about the majority of those speaking out about him are white and most of them are closet racists or hardcore Christians  You use hate to belittle everybody when it should only be aimed at a small group.  As far as speaking out, I have a friend, he is a 26 yo black man, he doesn't even know who President Obama is.  Now, what about the black people that were at this demonstration?  Where do you place them, are they to be considered a traitor to their race?  Do you know that in this video that the interviewer gave out false information?  Do you know that only whites are racist?  I disagree with something that a black, hispanic, middle eastern etc. person says then I am racist, but if they disagree with me, then they are right because they are the 'minority'.  I cannot say that I wasn't hired becuase I was white, even if it is the truth.  If the blacks that disagreed with President Bush were not racist, why is it that the whites who disagree with President Obama are?

As far as President Bush not having to listen to protesters, there were protesters on his doorstep from the begining.  It wasn't just the anti-war protesters, it wasn't just the American Trucking Association, it wasn't just the Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It was a multitude of protesters with a multitude of issues.  A lot of elite businessmen made a lot of money off of President Bush, too bad we can say the same thing about President Obama. 

Now as far as history is concerned, we cannot change it, yesterday is gone, all we can do is learn from it and try really hard not to repeat the bad stuff.
 

Rebecca, where are you from?
 

Hey Lisa!  I can fully understand where you are coming from.  I also agree that we as a nation, and as the human race should put aside our differences and start over.  Racism seems like it is here to stay, though.  Deep-rooted feelings towards certain people are hard for some people to get rid of.  Maybe it's how they are brought-up, maybe it is media brain washing, or maybe it is pure hate.  Myself, I was in no way trying to express hate.  What I am expressing is frustration, and confusion as to why Obama is getting fired at from all sides.  Every president is going to experience protest, as well as people who outright hate a political party.  Now, I am from Wisconsin (to answer your question!), and I am 28.  Bush was in office from 2001-2009.  In 2000, I was 19, and still wet behind the ears in political issues.  So, for 8 years straight I became cynical, angry at how the country was going and yes, spiteful at certain people.  People in my age group have alot to deal with in the future.  We are definately not dismissing past generations and how our country has progressed; I guess what I am saying is that when we see a non-white man in office, we would like to see him succeed without him getting complained about once a week, if not more.  In the 90's, there was Clinton, but I was in grade/high school.  I am too young to remember Reagan/Bush Sr.  America is about getting along, regardless of color, background, etc.  Just that I sense some people have a deep-rooted fear of change, that's all. 
 

When we have an elected official, we want them to do what is RIGHT.  You can succeed in the United States by doing the wrong thing.  Ask any politician:):)
 

Hi Lisa. Do you mean what state or my heritage?  I get that alot, so I have to ask so I am not confused! 
 

..Your state.  ..
 

That's funny.

 

How many people in America? About three hundred million? The Tea Party march numbered seventy thousand people...

Do you need a PhD to get the statistics? They did not even make the million the Million Men march did... I am sure that their impact on the business in DC was less than a big concert of a pop group... These people don't even know how to spend money... They  are Fiscal Conservatives, they probably carried the gas for their buses in containers to save money and they eat WWII surplus rations. They must be cheaper than the Korean or Vietnam war...


This is a Democracy... Since when are we afraid of opposing views???

I think that we should be concerned if they had a message to communicate, or if they had the skills to communicate anything at all...


I think that their march to Washington was a good idea... Maybe they understood that the dinosaurs are dead...

 

I am so shocked...the insults, the stupidity. Ok,  I am aware that all scenes are cut and put together and that the interviewees were only a small number of the 2 mill ppl., but gee... let's just imagine theoretically that more than 50% of those demonstrators were just as dumb and badly informed ... I am shocked ...