I'm gonna say Texas, but maybe everyone may see their home state in that. But..no, it's got to be Texas. Plus it adds to the irony since we have a governor who seems to be under the impression that Texas is free to secede (don't argue with me, there is no such rule) and plenty of idiots who agree with him. So..am I right?
 

Ok I guess you were going for Ohio, but I'm sure Texas is up there on the list of highest "bad thing" rates that you listed. And I stand by what I said about Ricky Perry.
 

I have to put you out of your misery. No, it was Rep. Joe Wilson's very own S.Carolina.

 

Now that is just sad!  That he wouldn't even help his own!  Sounds like ignorance or extreme stubborness to me.  Which sounds like the attitude of the old south.  Or he just don't care about his own fellow citizens.  Worrying more about their wallets, maybe.  I started thinking that it might be South Carolina because your comment sounded like sarcam there.  I think I read somewhere that they have a very high crime rate too.  Another big surprise! lol  Considering they are so full of respect for authority!
 

In shock!  Just can't believe that this actually happening in this day and time.  Worried what is happening to America!  We have learned nothing from our own history?  Don't know what to do, except sit back and watch all the chaos unfold. And pray no one dies over this!  As far as the state, is it in the South?   Alabama?
 

..Your writing these blogs so fast and furious that its hard to keep up. My guess is Calif. ....The Constitution is under attack. But I see it under attack from the other side. For a man who was suppose to bring us together, he's not doing a very good job at it. ......
 

California?
 

The extreme right wingers are, as my Dixiecrat grandmother used to say, a piece of work. She openly and vociferously (can I use a big word like that without sounding 'elitist'?) loathed Republicans till the day she died. I was never quite sure why. Now I am. They are redefining the term 'sore loser'. They are acting like a collective two year old, throwing a giant hissy fit and threatening to take the country down with them. I say give 'em their own country. The United States of Dumbasses. But they can't have mine.

 

But David, as Lisa said further down on the blog, most of those who are carrying signs about guns and civil war are NOT Republicans!! They're Constitutionalists and Anarchists(picture Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge as an extreme example..he probably wouldn't have participated in a rally). The ones who have behaved violently the past few months have been Obama *supporters*.
   These rallies and protests are not a Republican vs. Democrat issue...they are a response from ALL sides to what is seen as a government takeover of our lives and a redistribution of MORE of our wealth to those who flaunt the fact that they don't work(not those who are truly needy).  This protest was in place long before the election was over, by people who did research into Obama's past and his agenda and saw it for what it was(unlike his supporters, who often believed he was 'moderate' or just dazzled by the image). We saw the radical friends(and the lying about knowing them...not just one but a consistent pattern of radicals), the racist pastor(20 years!!) whom Obama didn't hear but managed to quote, the undertones of hatred of white people in his books, the "lost years" of his life where he apparently worked alone and had no friends, the trip to Pakistan when Americans were forbidden to enter, etc etc. There was already significant concern about him and his agenda...and the speed at which it's happening is incredible.
   I sound like a broken record, but the protesters are not just Republicans...they are Independents, Libertarians, Constitutionalists and moderate Dems. There are people joining the protests daily, because they are having buyer's remorse and had no idea how radical he was, they just didn't want Bush again. This administration is EXTREME and the response is also extreme. These are not "sore losers", they are people who would have protested McCain too in the same circumstances. We should have protested years ago, but it took an extreme situation to wake those who were asleep at the wheel. You all seem to assume that if McCain had won, we'd be happy....it's not true. It took this last election,where we had the choice between the fast train to socialism and the slower one....before we said "Whoa, somebody stop this thing". Most people voted for McCain figuring the slow train would be an easier enemy. The people were upset ALREADY, before the election. Obama just happens to be the lucky duck who gets hammered. Polls are showing the country divided 50/50. We are not 'the minority'.

 

Well, you made me go look Deidre!! This poll is sooooo flawed! First of all, if a pollster wants to find out what Republicans and Conservatives think, why on EARTH would you pick New Jersey??!! What...San Francisco was busy that day? Secondly, this was a "telephone poll"...are you a conservative? Press 1 for yes, 2 for no. How many people do you think wanted to play games with the situation and pressed 1, and were so pleased with themselves for making "those people" look crazy and ignorant? Third, the question was(for conservatives) Do you think Obama is the Antichrist?(press 1 for yes, 2 for no, 3 for unsure)....can you just picture Tony Soprano pressing one, then saying "Hey Vito, guess what I just did...I told some ******* pollster that Obama was the Antichrist"! "Haha..good one boss". Welcome to life in New Jersey.
  As for the topic itself..there are several bogus emails that have been floating around for 2 years. One that lists a "description" of the AC that is inaccurate, and another that tries to translate some Greek and Hebrew words into "Barack" and "Obama"(I think some yahoo on that video Charlie posted mentioned that one). But, Reagan was the AC too, because his first, middle and last names each had 6 letters.
  The "experts" in Revelation/eschatology have differing 'theories' but some things are common in all. The AC will be from Eastern Europe with Middle Eastern bloodline, and be a minor player in "world events" who rises to the top. More likely a UN Ambassador than the President of the US(I bet some of you know the name "Nicolae Carpathia"!!). We like to THINK we're the big hot shots in it all, but Revelation doesn't talk about anything "from the west". It's the middle east, with help coming from "the north" and "the east". So..there's your Bible lesson for today :).

 

Obviously, we are living in parallel universes.

Barack Obama personifies a moderate Democrat. The complaint most Democrats I know have is that he's too moderate. He's hardly a radical. That accusation is laughable.

The idea that you would be out there making the same noises were McCain president is equally laughable. It is a joke... right?

All I can say is that somebody is in major denial here. No doubt you think it's me, but uhhhh, I don't thiiiinnnkkk sooooooo......



 

No, David...I said we'd be protesting McCain "IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES". His vote for the first bail-out(which, btw, was not only a Bush thing...it was written behind those gigantic wooden doors by none other than Nancy P, Bawney Fwank and Harry Reid. THEY were the ones who announced it, gave press conferences, were so proud. I can remember officials "thanking" Nancy for her hospitality) put him on the "hold this guy's feet to the fire and don't take your eyes off of him" list. I don't think things would have happened this fast and I can't picture McCain inviting communist radicals to work in the White House with him...the last time he hung around with Communists, it didn't turn out so well. We wouldn't have had the issues with the special kind of crazy "advisers" that Obama has chosen. Actually...I suspect that YOU ALL would be protesting, because you'd see Bush's policies again(like keeping and expanding the Patriot Act, staying in Iraq, adding troops to Afghanistan), which you were SURE Obama would have eliminated. So yes, there'd be protests, except the crowd would be more diverse and both sides would be in the mix.
  I do have to play Devil's Advocate again...imagine that the 38% of voters who stayed home(who I assume were not Obama supporters who missed out on the chance to make history) had come out to vote, and enough of them voted for McCain to give him the win. What do you REALLY believe would have happened/would still be happening in this country? Do you think that the far left progressives, the Bush haters, and the black community would have sat down and said 'oh well, this is how elections work'????!!!! Good Lord, some of those inner cities that went for Obama set fires and turn over cars when their sports team WINS! Nothing says neighborhood pride like a 2-alarm fire with gasoline nearby. I don't think it would have stayed peaceful and limited to signs and yelling. The anger(understood) would have just been too great and the emotions too high. There would be no convincing anyone that America rejected Obama based on anything other than his race, that the Republicans hadn't "stolen" the election(again) somehow, and that big business had won over the peoples' best interest. And..the protesters would have been from many groups, not just all lumped into one.

 

i honetly can"t believe that i am saying this!  Never thought this day would ever come, that I would feel this way. My family would probably roll over in their graves.  Thank God that I am adopted! This way at least they can blame it on that fact.  I love the South and the people here.  Have been to the battifeld reinactments and honored our fallen Confederate.. ..soldiers. They were doing only what any man would do. Protecting  their home and their women from an invading army. I told my sons that; there are no good guys or bad guys here, thse are all American soldiers!  And I love an honor them all!  We side with the rebs here only cause isour home. Their big mistake, of course was sucession the Union  Their inherit stubborness that their way of life may be ending.  And no one is going to tell me what to do!  If it comes down to a Northern and Southern thing. (not sure yet that is the case) I can't just stay here and what them be stupid again and take my county into the crapper of ignorance and out of 2009!  I agree with David again, my family has always been Democrats, since I was born.  They haven't yet changed their voter reg cards.  But, they have changed  thier minds this past year.  ..I say let.. ..them go they're own way! ..Just hope I can convince my boyfriend to leave.  I think I can!  Tell me this is not what is happening here!  Northeners and other Democrats please sing out and let me know what is going on up there with you!  Are ya"ll siding mostly with the Republicans?  I understand not the ignorant people, though! 
 

went waaayyy into left feild with this statement.  This is why us women should not be in charge of making any war desicions, too emotional!  Had let my mind wander to far.  is absoulte worse case senerio.  Am happy to know there are others who agree, or are rational,  or still support the prez.  Wondering what the African Americans are thinking about the president about now.  Maybe I should check my with my neighboring Tallahasseeans and get out of farmville for a day. They are level headed, diverse,  and cool!  This city rocks!
 

..I sense a 21st century civil war is brewing, and as a nation we will all be in it.  The republicans want this chaos, they want to ruin the chance for change so bad they will go to any length to humiliate anyone who speaks against it.  It is getting real sickening; it seems like every week someone different has a complaint, or a whine, or a rally.  I have a feeling this topic will not die out anytime soon.  I'm just very glad you have the patience to stick to this!  I love giving my point of view!..
 

Since I don't want to ruin the chance for change, tell me which healthcare coverage option I should take. HR 676? HR 3200? The Max Baucus Plan?? Which one of these do you support?
 

Thanks for bringing this subject to light.  They get me mad too.

 

..Winning is often the easier part of the puzzle.  Keeping the fruits of your labor much more difficult.  People have the tendency to sit back after a well fought victory and unaware watch all they fought for slip down the toilet.  I'm amazed when issues such as abortion rights pop up after the long long battle of legalization.  We can never let our voices go silent, it's a daily struggle.  I remember years ago moving into a small apartment in a not so hot area of Manhattan.  I paid a gazillion dollars for some fancy schmancy lock for the front door.  Of course within weeks I was broken into, guys just drilled the entire thing out of the door.  When the police came, the cop said to me, women like you pay all this money for this stuff while the criminals spend 24 hrs a day learning how to break into them.  Just get a Medeco and get on with your life.  Sort of a lesson in this somewhere.  Bad people never stop, we, I'm hoping I'm one of the good guys, tend to stop and get on with 'it' while 'it' is being changed by those bad guys......
 

no words to add!

 

I've grown thinking That I lived in the best country in the world....(a bit naive I guess ).  This situation did actually make me cry(tear up really),  I've read of the racism in this country and witnessed it i some cases..but seeing the concentration of all the hate and actually having political figures fanning the flames of all that hate.  The world is looking at America and it is laughing, laughing at how the "best" country in the world is tearing it's self apart.
Wishing for
Peace and love
-Mel

 

While I think Nancy Pelosi is quite a piece of excrement herself(and don't even get me started on Bawney Fwank), and that she may very well be using this to shut up opposing views(can't let a good crisis go to waste),Boehner was wrong in not calling for civil protest and diffusing the angry outbursts.
Here's a quote, can you guess who said it?
""We should stand up and say 'we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration' "
 
We have a right to disagree and protest, but violence and stupid threats are not the way to do it. I'm with you on that one. I cringe every time I see one of those signs that says "We left our guns at home..this time", and the conservative community is working very hard to stop that rhetoric.

 

But THAT"S the WHOLE point!!!! The Conservative community is NOT working hard to stop it. John Boehner is a Conservative- hell, he's the LEADER of the Conservatives and he not only failed to stop anything, he actually used the word "rebellion" to give this bullshit legitimacy! I'm not saying there isn't exploitation on both sides and bad behavior on both sides, but a Pink protester or a bullying security guard should be held to a different standard than a Congressman or Minority leader!!

 

We seem to be missing each other's point here. You're saying that Boehner should have given a counter-point saying that while dissent and calm rebellion are acceptable, threats and violence are not. I agree with you. However...the conservative community that I'm in, most of us emailed Boehner today asking him to do just that. He blew a chance and we are asking him to be the bigger person and ask that the signs hinting at guns and violence stop. 
  Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi called the protesters Nazis, dismissed their movement as "astroturf", said they were un-American, belittled their ideas as lies and silly games, called them racist. Then, the people get angry and suddenly she's all worried? She wasn't worried until she saw the SIZE of Saturday's rally(with mini-rallies held elsewhere and many there online and in spirit). She's trying to intimidate the protesters.
  The protestors though...are carrying signs and exercising their free speech(even if *I* think some of the signs cross a line). It's the LEFT who is biting off fingers, hurting old men, hitting and spitting. I don't know, but perhaps John Boehner was just disgusted after seeing HIS people hit, spit on and maimed...to hear her hint that "they" need to be calm. Perhaps his words would have been different if she'd addresses the plank in her own eye. As I said, I have no idea what Boehner was thinking, but that's what *I* hear when Pelosi opens her mouth. She is evoking memories of violence from 30 yrs ago(I assume Harvey Milk??) and insinuating that it will happen again if "these people" don't get a grip. As you can see, I'm not a big fan of hers.

 

Ok, I'm adding a PS to my previous response(now that I've seen the whole clip of her crocodile tears). I will totally agree that Boehner should have "walked with his better angels ;) " and asked for calm and rational discussion. No argument there.
  BUT..how can she, with a straight face(oooh, am I setting up a Nancy Pelosi joke or what?), express outrage over the rhetoric when SHE is the one who called the Tea Party protesters "Nazis"? Where was her "call for reason" when the SEIU thug beat up the elderly town hall protester? When the pro-health-care advocate BIT OFF THE FINGER of a protester? When Code Pink forcibly stopped people from entering a Marine recruiting station?
   This woman is 3rd in line to the Presidency...be afraid America, be very afraid. There, I feel better now.

 

I agree.
 

You sound like me when I hear what these people say and yell at the TV!  God, I cannot believe these people!  The thing that kills me is that instead of working on a solution for the health care problem, they splinter off on these crazy arguments.  Look I know some lovely people in South Carolina, and they are not all as nuts as their representatives!  They have no other fight so they have to start a political rebellion to confuse the real issues.  I sometimes wonder if these people even listen to themselves and wonder why other people do.  You know what their real problem is?  That people like you and I will keep standing up and asking them to explain themselves.

 

It's kind of like telling people to "be afraid".  The bottom line seems to me is that political parties are playing tug of war about the Health plan...and the American people are the rope.

An age old tactic is being used at both ends of the rope...that is to get people emotionally worked up...get their mind's soil tilled up and then plant their seed.  The tea party video was a perfect example...people get all stirred up and if people watch it to the end...there is the plug for health insurance.  Outbursts that will get into the news are another example.

I believe we need to do something rather than nothing..but I've seen this tactic in churches, business, and politics too often.  It just confuses the point either side is trying to make.

And I'm not speaking right or left on this...just on what's left of what is right  :)
 

I thought it was right here in Texas too.LOL
 

.."In other words: if you oppose us politically, you are taking your life into your own hands!"

..Statements like this spread hatred and fear. That is not what we mean at all. We propose merely to defend ourselves from those who want to force us to obey federal orders in excess of the powers enumerated in the Constitution.

 

..According to CDC, odd that they would do the report, it is Mississippi that has the highest teen pregnancy rate, but Dallas, TX has the highest repeat teen pregnancy rate.  Alabama has the highest cancer rate overall. You accuse the conservatives of warmongering, what are you doing? President Carter goes on national television and tells everybody that the only reason the republican disagree with President Obama is because they are racists.  What is HE doing?  The media can boldly lie and say that Beck is this radical and the masses believe them without checking his political record.

YOU say the Constitution is under attack, like that is a new thing.  Everybody agrees with road-blocks to check for drunk drivers, people driving without insurance, without lisences.  Hey that makes sense, it is a good and wonderful thing, forget about probable cause and illegal search.  The best way to get rid of something that big is to take a piece at a time, those that oppose are against the good of the whole, they are radical, uneducated, conservatives.  Because I am against HR 676 and HR 3200 and the Max Baucus Plan, I have been accused of being a racist who is against health care reform, which one of those 3 are you supporting?? 

Most of those that hold signs saying "we are unarmed...this time" are not Republican, they are Constitutionalist. Being from Montana, I am very familiar with the 'militia' mentality, but I also know that they still represent a small part of society, and for decades they have remained harmless. 

I bet you get a kick when people blindly accept what you say and bash the other side without a single thought...
 

When I said Beck, I actually meant Wilson.
 

Lisa, you make some important points. I agree with you that what we are actually looking at is the same tension and argument that has been going on since 1776. In fact Obama will address exactly this in his Meet the Press interview with David Gregory tomorrow. What is the role and responsibility of Government in the US?
I have heard it said that the country is "changing" and that a lot of people out protesting see this change as somehow subverting the Constitution. But would these same people have protested when the original intent of the framers was "changed" to allow women to vote, or negroes....or even people who didn't own land. That's right. The "inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness only applied to white, male landowners. It was a fluid and evolving interpretation of that original document that kept up with an evolving society. There was a time when to be an American was to believe in Manifest Destiny: the God given responsibility to build a mighty nation on the suffering of any who stood in our way: Mexicans, Cubans or even our own Native population. For the early pioneers self-reliance and a government that kept out of the way was all we required, but with the growth of industrialization and urbanism, there grew a working poor who needed protection and help from their government. Now we are faced with a health care crisis that threatens the well-being of everyone: ( a lot of poor sick people is not going to be a good thing for any of us: financially, sanitarily, morally or socially.) Where should Government stand? I believe that in a civilized 21st. century we, the people of America, should not allow any of our fellow citizens to go without health, education or food. That's my opinion

 

..Now that I am done ranting, I will agree that our contitution is a fluid document, that was the way it was created and that was the way it was intended.  Now my question is, do we change the constitution or do we simply change the meaning of the words in it. It feels to me like the powers that be want to simply ignore it until they need to use it as a shield to protect their own asses, and I am not just talking government officials.  The majority of those that changed the contsitution in the past did it the right way, is it too much to ask they do it the right way today? ..
 

I'm sorry, I just hit 'submit' after quoting you before I answered!! Feel free to delete the blooper. You said:
 "For the early pioneers self-reliance and a government that kept out of the way was all we required, but with the growth of industrialization and urbanism, there grew a working poor who needed protection and help from their government. Now we are faced with a health care crisis that threatens the well-being of everyone: ( a lot of poor sick people is not going to be a good thing for any of us: financially, sanitarily, morally or socially.) Where should Government stand? I believe that in a civilized 21st. century we, the people of America, should not allow any of our fellow citizens to go without health, education or food. That's my opinion"

and I totally agree with you. We can not have a purely capitalistic society, some social programs are absolutely necessary for the "welfare" of our nation as a whole(some will disagree with me). We do need to help the working poor(God bless them, they are the glue that holds this country together) and those who are unable to care for themselves. We DO need to find a way for all Americans to get basic health care(I just don't like the lobbyist-tainted plans that are out there)...it is ridiculous for people to let strep throat become rheumatic heart disease, when a simple throat swab and a $4 round of Amoxicillin from Walmart will take care of it, to say nothing of spreading the disease to others. No one should go hungry either. In an ideal world...all of that would be taken care of by privately funded clinics and food banks...but that ain't gonna happen when selfish, sinful humans are involved. A church that has a fancy sanctuary and a food court for its members, but does not have a well-stocked food pantry should be ashamed of itself and take that cross off their roof. Our church is looking into using a part of our 'big green carpet' lawn for a garden to add fresh produce...but we're on a highway and the town council doesn't want it to "look weird"(can you imagine?!).
  So, what do we do? The welfare programs that are available are 'all or nothing'. Why can't we continue to "help out" someone who wants to work by making up the difference between their welfare check and their job? Instead of giving $200/week(my made-up number) to one family, give $50 to 4 families who work hard? Why can't food stamps be handled the same way(never mind that, why can't food stamps be used only for approved food like WIC)? Those who are on the govt. dole have no incentive to work...they lose housing, medical and food if they get a job that bumps them into the 'working poor' category. Then...there are the scammers...those who work the system, have no intention of getting a job EVER, and flaunt it by mocking those who work. I don't consider those scammers my "fellow citizens", and they are stealing from the truly needy..the lowest of the low. How can we take care of our citizens, and still provide health, education and food for non-citizens? Can we send those hospital, food and tuition bills to Calderon? To those who employ the illegal slave labor?  What is the answer? We WANT to help, but we can't do it all. We can't give our money to others then not qualify for the plans that help those in trouble.

 

"For the early pioneers self-reliance and a government that kept out of the way was all we required, but with the growth of industrialization and urbanism, there grew a working poor who needed protection and help from their government. Now we are faced with a health care crisis that threatens the well-being of everyone: ( a lot of poor sick people is not going to be a good thing for any of us: financially, sanitarily, morally or socially.) Where should Government stand? I believe that in a civilized 21st. century we, the people of America, should not allow any of our fellow citizens to go without health, education or food. That's my opinion"
 

..'I believe that in a civilized 21st. century we, the people of America, should not allow any of our fellow citizens to go without health, education or food.'  I totally agree, now how do we go about it?? Nothing that has been offered does any good.  Government offers me a different health insurance policy, wow, could I afford that one?  Max Baucus proposes that if we don't have insurance of some sort then we will be fined, where is the change?? Oh yeah, the insurance companies pockets. Now I, personally, don't have to worry about insurance at this time, I am covered the rest of my life, or until they do away with the VA.  I worry because Democrats don't have a good track record with the Armed Forces, Retirees and Vets. Our government needs to do something about health care costs, not just who pays for it. ..
 

I agree. At the end of the day, when all the dust has settled, all that is likely to happen is the rich will get richer. And we'll look around at each other and go, uhhhh.... what just happened?

 

I've got ancestors from the South as well. They fought for the Confederacy. I agree, I would have done the same. They were fighting for their home. And I spend time there. I love the food, the music and many of the people. It's a fascinating region to me, very different from the rest of the country. One of those differences is that the huge evangelical Christian community that really almost dominates the South doesn't have much power in the rest of the country. In most of the country they are totally a fringe group.

Most Republicans I know in California are fiscally conservative, and pretty libertarian in their beliefs in what the government role should be in their lives. They are good hearted, intelligent people who run the gamut in how they make their living.  Religion has little if anything to do with their politics. They don't seem to be quite as rabid as some of the evangelicals.

I don't really think we're going to have another civil war. I do think the waving of guns in the air and use of  thinly disguised threats could easily lead to violence in time. I'd almost bank on it. I think it's more likely to be similar to the 1960's than the 1860's, though.

I'm mostly just kidding when I say they should have their own country. Though I do think the United States of Dumbasses is a pretty good name, and I will gladly license it to them if that happens.

Whenever the "right" is in power and the "left" complains vehemently about policy, they say we should leave the country. That goes back to the Vietnam days, the "love it or leave it" mantra. As if loving the country had anything to do with sending our young people over to kill and be killed in Vietnam. I turned 18 in 1971. I had a draft card, but they had instituted a lottery system, and I got a relatively high number and was not drafted. Believe me, nobody with any common sense wanted to be the last person to come home in a body bag after fighting in what was widely known to be a lost cause. That wasn't theoretical. We had friends and family who had been there. They told us what was happening.

 Many people on the "right" still blame the "left" for the fact that we lost that war. Which is ludicrous. Our military went into a foreign country with very unfriendly terrain with a vaguely defined mission. It drained the very soul of America. America became very prone to violent outbursts. In those days a riot could break out almost anywhere, and often did. There was a strange and almost anarchistic feel in the air. Many of us learned what tear gas smells like.

A lot of the same elements are present now. You want to know where all this violent talk and potentially violent behavior is coming from? I maintain it is from being in two wars with undefined goals that drag on and on and have morally bankrupt the country. What goes around comes around. Violence is coming home to roost. As it did in Vietnam.
The great evil then was communism. Which is why that word is still bandied about. It's an incindiary word in certain circles, and is used to incite. 

Whenever the "left" is in power and the "right" complains vehemently, we tell 'em they should get their own country. We'd tell 'em to leave too, except we know nobody else wants 'em. So to get rid of 'em, I'm merely suggesting we give 'em the Old South. I think that's very generous. They won't even offer to pay our busfare to Canada. 

The fact is, for the most part both major political parties represent the interests of large corporations, the Corporatocracy if you will, and neither does a very good job of representing you or me. The wars drag on and on regardless of which party is in power. The military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about when he left office is firmly entrenched. And we're left to bicker amongst ourselves.

I certainly wouldn't actually leave my home about it. I think you're courageous to carve out your own beliefs, when the easy route would be to just go along with everyone else.

 

I used to be primarily Democratic, because I was raised that way, but with the introduction of our new President, I have turned my view to neither Democratic or Republican. Both of them are really making me feel like I want to secede from this nation, if that's un-American, I'm sorry.
 

i completely agree with you.......im guessing its somewhere in the south. thank you for accepting my friend request,iam so glad that i am your friend...

 

Oh poo...forgot the link to the video

 

Sorry, folks...here you are. Obama giving a speech, and a dissenter yelling out(not exactly polite, but I've seen it many times at political events, on both sides). What happens? The police escort him out, and on the way one Obama supporter smacks him, another spits on him. You are aware that spitting is assault with a deadly weapon? Guess they missed Nancy's call for calm last night. May I assume that she is going to publicly rebuke those 2 men for their attacks?

 

And for all those Republicans whose only defense of this reprehensible behavior is "ok, Dems, move over, its our turn to gripe"....I would note that Bush heard very little ..serious and extensive.. put downs until 5 or 6 years into his time in office...Obama's been in office barely 9 mos...not to mention we started hearing all of this clap trap about 90 days in!!!!!  Come on GOP get real, already....oh, that's right, you people have trouble with the truth!

 

Thanks for the email, David!  I guess i over reacted!  I thought that I was just caught up in area with a fantical group.  I got scared.  They said that they are ready to fight .  And some of them brought up the old phrase that I hadn't heard said in many years. "You can pry my gun from my cold dead hands." Prob just shooting off steam.  Oh, a poltical war, with maybe some violent protesting.  A pollitical divison that has caused some festering for a while.  Like a volcano! I should have figured that out.  Like the Vietnam era.  My dad was in Nam.  Forgot about all that stuff from history!  Thanks!  Just really started following politics some since President Clinton.  Sorry, if I scared anyone or offended anyone.  Should have known that better people can't just overthrow the gov.  duh!  May just tell us to leave, if we don't like it!  Got it now!  Feel like a dum dum!  And thanks for understanding and saying that I am a stand up person!  i thought this was a great country too, like Mel.  Didn't really ever notice this "dark side" so much i guess!  Still, love America and should have realized these differences of opinion could exist here too.  Guess because we are called the "United States". 
 

No need to apologize or feel stupid. Sheesh. Look... most of these blowhards who are demonstrating so vehemently couldn't overthrow a PTA meeting.

 

not afraid so much of these people.  Their ideas and protesting along with the radical ideas of these people here in my backyard that I have been hearing together, is what is making me nervous here.  They claim they are stock piling weapons and would rather die than comform to a socialistic government.  worring for the President's safety.  I am thinking the calling the president "Hitler", has to do with the idea of him being called the Anti-Christ.  These Relgious fantics are looking for the second coming of Christ.  The are attributing the mess of the country etc. possibly to a sign that this is true. The end of the world. They are looking for a Hilter type anti-Christ figure .  Anyone who fits the mold will scare them.   Some of them actually think, Obama is the AntiChrist.  makes them, dangerous, like the Muslims.  Plus, the worry over the gov. mess, right now.  Maybe just bad timing. They will think they are justified in thier actions.  Will not be afraid of dying for their cause, "saving the world", in their twisted minds  or helping America out. I am just hoping their are enough rational thinking Christians here in U.S. but, with the diminishing support for the Pesident.  The rational protestors could get mixed up in the crowd with these types of folks.  Not afraid of folks protesting.  Be careful Repblicans, who you are standing next to.  Crazy people?
 

What's happening in the U.S. seems to be familiar to what happened in Canada when Tommy Douglas (a former provincial premier) brought universal health care to Canada.
 

hey--you left us hanging--you tease--so--tell us who!~
oh--never mind --I just strolled down and saw the answer ~~S. Carolina ?

 

Ya should've looked it up for yourself, you might come up with a different answer than both of us.
 

You tell 'em, Lisa.