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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:07 AM
Are we--as a society--getting ruder?

Having worked many customer service jobs in my life, I have experience common civility seemingly going by the wayside. Sometimes it's a class thing...they feel they are ABOVE you and are therefore entitled to treat you like shit. Sometimes over the phone or online, there is a degree of anonymity that gives people the opportunity to be a total asshole without fear of reprisal. It used to be that older people automatically garnered a level of respect simply because they had seem more of life and had (likely) acquired wisdom that would be valuable if they shared it with you. Snarkiness and backstabbing seems universal to every workplace. There seems to be a consistent mindset of tearing those you perceive to be more successful than yourself to being them down to your level (i.e. gossip magazines and tabloids).

A couple of "newsworthy" events have happened recently to spark this mini-rant.  The first is Kayne West interrupting an award presentation to complain about the results. Now I have never heard a Kanye West "song"--nor do I believe MTV has really had anything to do with music since the early 90's...but Kayne seems to be an extremely popular musician and is undoubtedly an influential person in the realm of pop culture. I hate to sound like an old fuddy-duddy, but this type of behavior isn't exactly the kind you want to see your kids emulate. When events don't unfold as you wish, it doesn't give you license to ruin the moment for someone else.

Now while the aforementioned story might be considered trivial in the whole scheme of things, this one is a bit more disturbing: Rep. Joe Wilson's heckling of President Obama during his House Chamber address. Regardless of whether you subscribe to their political ideology, I think most of us agree that the individual holding the office of the presidency does deserve a measure of respect--especially by a fellow elected official. There are constructive and productive ways to voice your dissent in our government; yelling at the president and calling him a liar is not one of them! Not only has Mr. Wilson embarrassed himself, his constituents and his entire state, the whole thing reflects badly on our government as a whole. I'm sure everyone has seen video of fist-fights and chair throwing brouhahas between elected representatives from other backwater countries. I believe America prides itself in having a free and civilized governmental process that is steeped in decorum and respect. These are the kinds of qualities that separate us from the animals.

And you know, Bush lied about pretty much everything during his 8 years, and I don't recall a single instance of him getting razzed like a bombing stand-up comic (not that he didn't deserve it).

I've heard the theory floated on occasion that the neocon's deep disrespect for Obama stems from racial hatred...and initially I was skeptical about this. I live in a very progressive city that is very accepting of minorities. You don't typical see outward and overt racist behavior. It's interesting seem Obama labeled everything from a fascist to a communist to a Marxist. Although these terms are all used interchangeably, they are quite contradictory to one another. It is clear they the people using these terms don't understand what they mean and are just trying to attach negative connotations to Obama's name. Perhaps because the term "nigger" is no longer socially acceptable, they are trying to find another "evil" term to attach to him to make him appear subhuman. 
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Branden
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I don't know about any of this really.  There are so many different factors involved.  I could make the argument that while societal norms have become slightly more lax and more brutal at the same time, people are also completely over sensitive about everything.  Everything from language to style has become a bit more casual over time.  Watch a clip of a baseball game from the 50's and you'll see nearly every man wearing a suit.  As someone who lives in the northeast and near Philadelphia, I can say that brutality is the norm, however the context is very different.  It's not necessarily rude, it's just the current state of language and culture.  Every group will tend to think that the next group is outrageous and crossing the line.  I think at the end of the day, some of the guilt lies with the offended.  

As for Kanye, I can't believe people even talk about it.  It was a produced bit from an otherwise irrelevant show.  It's just more carnie bullshit from the desperate people at MTV.

I didn't really find the Joe Wilson thing to be as big a deal as you did.  On a personal level, I wouldn't do such a thing, but at the same time, i'm not so sure the position does automatically warrant respect.  Then again, I don't think Joe Wilson deserves any respect either.  I'm supposed to arbitrarily respect a piece of shit liar and hypocrite just because a boatload of rubes voted for them?  Not to mention, you're calling some of those other countries "backwater" but some of our most respected peers and historic figures have exhibited far worse behavior.  I do understand and to some extent agree that we should strive for better than that. Outbursts like that are pretty lame, but I can't give it a huge amount of significance.  I just didn't see it as a huge issue.

And then there is the subject of disrespect towards Obama.  To which i'm not sure what you have been doing the past 8 years.  Bush was called every name in the book.  Fascist, Nazi, monkey, idiot, etc.  Are you suggesting that Obama being called the same names is because of race, however Bush was because they're true?  See, that's the problem with our current system in my eyes.  Each time the power shifts, it's fucking identical shit just from the opposite side.  For 8 years we hear reps cry out that we should respect the position while dems sling shit.  The second a dem is in office, the reps treat him like shit while the dems cry for respect.  People only pull for their own horse.  Meanwhile, how much has changed?

All of that said, there's probably some truth to the idea that general courtesy has gone by the wayside.  On some level, I think we just got too fat and happy. Everyone feels entitled nowadays.  They're treated like children and act like it.  Is it any wonder that people act like they are the center of the universe when they aren't ever forced to have any responsibility for their own lives? They don't have any idea what the human condition is like let alone to have any empathy for it.  I really do think that struggle as a child has helped me immensely.  Not that it's a universal rule, but I think a lot of people could do with a little less self esteem.

 
Posted by Branden on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 10:46 PM
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Corey

 
A bunch of good points here. First of all, I do agree with you that political correctness and over-sensitivity has run amuck as of late--and this may color my (and other's) perception that people are "ruder" these days. I generally takes quite a bit of offend me...but still, I do get bugged that people at least make an effort to *pretend* to be polite. Taking your bad day out on everyone else is just not cool.

I've seen the definition what's considered objectionable profanity to become more and more narrow over time. Heck, I remember when "hell," "damn" or "crap" were verboten terms. Now you can say pretty much anything except "shit," "fuck" or "cunt" on primetime TV. This annoys me, simply because I find this type of language crude and unimaginative. I'd rather take someone down Oscar Wilde-style with devastating wit rather than job call them an asshole.

As far as respecting the office of the president...yeah, I do believe an inherent level of respect should be given. And I'm the type of person who tries to give people the benefit of the doubt and treat them in a respectful manner until they give me a reason not to. Bush didn't represent any of the values that I consider important when he was elected, but I was more than willing to support him and wish him success in guiding our country. However, the subsequent eight year debased me of any notion that he was behaving in a moral and intelligent manner. I think it's safe to say that after 9/11, all my respect for him was gone.

Obama hasn't quite squandering all of mine yet. He's done some things that I've approved of, and others that I've been disappointed in. He still strikes me as a man that is intelligent, thoughtful and tries to do the right thing. That's probably the most I can hope for

 
Posted by Corey on Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 12:18 AM
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