I'll pass this on.

 

 

What a touchy subject....

I know for me personally I think it's just wrong to carry a baby almost to full term then abort it...How can someone live with themself after doing such a terriable thing...People judge everyday all day...Thanks for writing about this topic!!!
 

 

As I understand it, there are only three clinics in the entire nation that perform late term abortions. This may account for the small amount of them, but I think the circumstances surrounding such a decision to do so are even rarer.

Some of the reasons include: children that have been raped (often by family members) at VERY young ages (say 10 or 11, who tend to hide it as long as possible out of shame), mothers whose lives are endangered by the pregnancy itself (who have Lupus for example), mothers that have discovered that they have cancer and need chemotherapy to live (which would of course seriously damage the fetus), a still born that isn't naturally miscarried which may cause a deadly infection if not removed, some due to tubal pregnancies or other complications that could leave the mother infertile, and lastly, birth defects that are so severe that the life of that child was determined to be full of painful agony, require numerous surgeries, and having a very short life-expectancy regardless of said surgeries or other treatments (many under a year). It should be noted that many of these women choose to deal with these serious health problems this way so they CAN have children later on too!



 

Thank you for that.  Very much.

Big hugs, friend.
 

You're welcome. Like most tragedies, there is always something that can learned from them, as well as opportunities that can be taken. I've learned a LOT since this whole thing happened about why these procedures are done, and the kinds of things these few brave doctors are up against nearly everyday while trying to save the lives of women for goodness sakes.

This has provided us with an opportunity to discuss these things openly and gain better understanding; whereas before there was really only empty rhetoric and talking points or slogans. Thanks for answering the call of this opportunity laid before us by providing a civil space to discuss this important issue - it's obviously needed.

Much respect,
Heather    



 

It is a difficult issue for many.  For me, I cannot imagine opting for an abortion an easy decision, but I do not live in that woman's shoes and am not going to get between her and her doctors.  This last week, O'Reilly's every show featured segments on Tiller and it seems that NOT ONCE did he put responsibility upon the women having the abortions.  The focus remains upon "Tiller, the Baby Killer."  No matter how it is sliced or diced, it is the woman's decision, ultimately.  It is her body.  Her mind.  Her soul.  She is the one who is pregnant.  She is one who is responsible for carrying the fetus.  She is the one responsible for caring for herself that her fetus is best nurtured.  Were these women dragged kicking and screaming into Tiller's clinic? 

Thank you, Heather.  Tough stuff, I know.  Much love, my friend.


 

Two highly controversial topics and that's sad...Our society needs to someday come to agreements with these, and so many more issues...

 

 

Oh Wow John , this was great . I only wish those who spend hours on the computer condemning all the gays, and how many wrote horrible thing about the Doctor who was killed. I even got into it with a lady who said she wished the guards who waterboarded the prisoners would have drowned them after getting information. Their hate is for many, and you are right, they can divorce, and remarry , and no one thinks they are sinning. That's because too many are divorced.
" MY sin is little compaired to all those truely bad people" Or how about those who say  I love the homosexual, but he/ she is going to hell unless they change.Sometimes I wonder how these people live with themselves with all the hate they carry around.  Hey John , You rock.     Love ya,
 

Well said.  Drilling the minds of children in such fears is nothing less than child abuse, as we are creatures of the mind.  There is nothing to fear in the Bible's Message.  The problem lies with humans who use the Good Book as a weapon to hate and hurt.  Wouldn't Jesus be proud?  Criminy!
HA---You rock too, Darlene.  Tons of love, sweet friend,
John
 

Very well put John.  We are not to judge lest we be judged.  In murdering Tiller, Roeder became the very thing he most despised.  Unless we walk in their shoes, we cannot know why these women wait until their third trimester to abort.  I can't imagine any woman who is that far along has had an easy time making the decision to abort her child.  In most cases, I would imagine that there are extreme extenutaing circumstances.

Extremists so easily fall into hatred because they are brainwashed by their leaders and stop thinking, growing, and learning for themselves.  They choose to continue living under the old law of an eye for an eye instead of the new law of love and forgiveness that Jesus taught.  It amazes me at times what is done in his name.  Would Jesus pick up a gun and kill anyone?  Would he beat a young gay man to death?  Would he beat or molest an innocent child?  Would he tortue those that tortured him?  The answer is simply...no.  If we are to live by his example, how can we keep turning a blind eye and condone the hatred and extreme behavior that is being spread by the false teachings of religious leaders?   

 

 

"but sees himself a 'dispenser of God's justice,' ..."


Yep!!  Just exactly like the Islamic terrorists do!!  Hypocritical to the extreme.
 

You make several good points John, and it's refreshing to see. I so wish you could dump the God stuff completely...
 

HA!  Thank you, Lobo!  I needed that laugh!  But if I dumped the God stuff then what would I write about, as it's pretty much all about exposing the corrupt teachings of Bible-based religions?  Please do remember though that my work shows how, per the Bible, "God" is, simply put, the invisible spirit of unselfish love that lives and grows within those who live and grow in the Spirit.  Literal, fearful constructs of God created by religions are untrue and "graven."

Great to see you!  I hope all is well, good friend.
John   

 

 

Brother John,
What if Jesus, Abraham, Martin, or John ?
Not saying, but what if its already happened ?
 

I do not follow, dear friend.  What if they did what? 
HAPPY THURSDAY!!!
God bless,
John
 

Human History would be different.  Those that choose the hard paths of justice over injustice, would not of walked these paths to advance Humanity as we know it here in the U.S. of A., and around the world. 
The work is not done, so, the elimination or possible elimination is to the advantage of the ruler of this domain.  I believe it is his work, to allow the continued elimination of these possible new leader's.  Since those old ones have been dealt with, cruely harsly, and punatively.
Peace prayers best thoughts to U & yours. ?
 

This is truly beautiful, I really enjoyed reading it - thanks a million John!!!

Just to expand on the hate you are describing here, I would say this shooting was actually an act of terrorism. If this wasn't an act of religiously motivated violence, designed to "send a message" to other "evil doers" then I don't know what is! This also speaks to that last part of your blog here, where we selectively label only certain things as "abominations" = but in this case, it appears we reserve the terrorist label for non-Christian, and "brown people" ONLY.

Thanks again for being a bright beacon of Light!



 

Awww---you're welcome a million!  It is an act of religious terrorism.  I did a chapter on that subject in my book, "The Christian Right... or Wrong."  If we listen only to the Western media you'd think the Palestinians invented terrorism in the seventies but, in fact, the "mother church" with its papacy did not conquer Earth with the Selfless Love of Jesus Christ but with unparalleled brutality and bloodshed---a big chunk of it in the two centuries of terrorism upon the "holy land" during the Crusades followed by six centuries of it during its infamous global Inquisition.  God Almighty, when will the nightmare end? 

Rock on, hubris-hater!  Tons of love from the wicked West,
John
 

Wow.  This is a fantastic blog.  I really enjoy logic.  :-)

I will share a link to this blog for sure!!!
 

 

Dearest friend...this is a fabulous blog.

You clearly illustrate the error of our ways as humans.
The flaws in human thinking (no matter where they may claim to have found the roots for such thoughts) is shameful.

I know there are many who do not support these dreadful, judgemental assumptions, yet we both know there are still millions who do.

So sad.

You make several great points, the one that stood out to me the most with this write John, is this one ..."If God is so Pro-Life then why did he create women to naturally abort?  If Abortion doctors are baby killers then isn't God a baby killer too for annually allowing 700,000 American living souls to die through miscarriage, stillbirths, ectopic and molar pregnancies"

It begs the question, doesn't it ?




Bravo, one kudo is a joke for work of this callibre.

Much love dear friend
~Kiwi




 

 

great blog - sorry for the long response :-D

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the pro-life thing is quite pathetic in it's self edification of "fighting" for what god wants .. the same goes for any group demanding that their god be appeased because *their* god wants it..

pffft! What god wants, god takes... and that notion of fighting for what god wants is in itself, is a heap of crap...

that's not what god wants, that's what *they* want!

nobody *knows* that their god even exists, let alone *knows* what it wants, and frankly trying to impose on society these values you "know" your god wants, is merely those people wanting to rule *my* life as well, and if you don't get it people, imposing your arbitrary beliefs about imaginary beings onto others is quite **offensive**, if ppl want to believe in god, that's fine, but different ppl have different upbringings and experiences that bring them to their beliefs (or lack of them)  ... a *classic* example of this is Muslims wanting to impose Sharia law outside of a predominantly Muslim country.. eg. Muslims in countries that have Sharia Law, accept it as normal. they think it's normal, because it's what god wants, but really it's just fear of actually being physically punished in the here and now for going against god's word.. they are fanatics with their religion, is that what christians want? that's what they are asking for by wanting the US constitution to be based on the bible.

how would Christians in the USA react to the Muslims in the USA insisting that Sharia Law be adhered to for Muslims and ppl interacting with Muslims and that the entire USA would need to change their attitudes to accommodate the Muslims?

I'm not sure how accurate this is: but here's an example of Sharia law as i understand it: If a woman gets raped by a Muslim male, according to Sharia law, that woman would need to have four male Muslim witnesses to back up her story. If she does not, she is admitting to adultery, and *she* is punished... correct me if I've got that one wrong

it's kind of off the exact topic, but all of these "do what god wants" are just variations of the same thing - they are assumptions to a variety of degrees..

people who do these things make *massive* assumptions about god, and quite frankly if i was god, it's *those* people that would most likely make me nudge an asteroid towards the earth

the first commandment, says "thou shall have no other gods before me"

god is defined - at least the christian god - by the bible, anything that isn't listed in the bible exactly naming something about god is an assumption.

so god hating gays is something people have extrapolated - meaning that they have added something to their god, that they have somehow justified from the bible.. ie. they made it up .. so their god is not this god from the bible any more, it's the "god from the bible" + "the god bit they made up themselves" ...

god is supposedly perfect, so how arrogant is a person that they can justify making up something about god? doesn't that violate the first commandment of their precious bible? god hates fags, god likes christmas, god likes sunny days, god hates abortion, god doesn't la la la la .. all of these things are additions to the god of the bible that people have come up with - some of them are harmless - some of them are not.. some ppl even lose their lives over these assumptions...

so not only are people killing in the name of god, they do it based on an assumption, violating the first commandment, because they are *making* up things about their god therefore rendering this "perfect" claim of theirs a lie. frankly if there is a hell, i do not see why it's not going to be full of christians who made assumptions about god.. and from that point of view, it's much safer to completely ignore god, so that you don't accidentally make an assumption... heheheh

you also mentioned people not following bits of the bible, and that they are conveniently ignoring bits of it, that's also an assumption by those ppl that god doesn't really care that they don't follow that particular bit of the bible. eg. parents don't stone their children to death when their kids talk back at them and/or disobey them... making assumptions that god is not going to mind you *not* killing your kids and yet on the next page you get the idea that god hates gays is also making up your own version of god... and since these people are making up their own idea of god, and then worshipping that image they have of god in their minds, are they not committing idolatry? if they aren't then they are so close to it for my mind as to make a difference - so another commandment violated

assumptions are also *lies* of sorts.. eg. god hates fags... bullshit.. where does the bible exactly say that? it doesn't - therefore it's a lie... and if you say these things out loud, you are then also bearing false witness upon your neighbour... three commandments violated, all from one assumption

yes.. christianity, is hypocrisy at it's maximum... I think that's it's appeal, you get to make up shit that is inline with your own personal bigotry, then you get to be an arsehole and get away with it, coz you then make an assumption and then tell the lie that "it's what the bible says" and people agree with your assumptions coz they *also* are bigots who need to validate their own personal hatred for whoever it is they hate..

and did that guy kill that doctor because he thought "it's OK for god to kill people, and I'm a believer in god, so therefore it's my god given right to commit a violent act that goes against what god says because it's *what* *god* *wants* - and god didn't obey the commandments, so why should I if i'm doing the work of the lord?" ...

hypocrisy plain and simple, but it's more than that, it's *convenient* hypocrisy...

but that's what christianity is all about isn't it? - hypocrisy - the ten commandments themselves are hypocritical "thou shall not murder" - god kills 150,000 people every day, and i'm pretty certain a lot of those would be via starvation, disease rah rah rah eg. things that wouldn't happen to the average christian..

but maybe corporate christians don't complain about god doing that because it doesn't effect them much in their comfy homes, with their fireplaces and food on their tables and a dry bed to sleep in ... or maybe they think - "better them than me, there must be some really bad sinners everywhere *else* in the world, so they must deserve it!"


if ever the world gets hit by an asteroid - god is going to be responsible for the genocide of the human race... actually I think we'd need to make up another "-cide" word for that one, (Earthicide? Humanicide?) but seeing we've just been wiped off the planet, i don't think we'll need to worry about it.. and we are *so* overdue to be hit by something *really* big..


hehehe... at first I was just going to say "brilliant" in response to your blog


 

 

long time from myspace john and my apolgies but with this article i couldd help but stop by and put in my two cents worth.  this is pathetic on the discussion on abortion.  i mean we have laws saying a woman can abort a fetus but if a man who is not a dr helps her abort the fetus is charged with murder, but a dr is not.  this has happened in florida and other states of the usa.  take scott peterson case in california i think, he was charged with two murders - his wifes and the childs.  see its not just corporate christianity thats also sick but the love command is just not present is an country that is supposed to be christian orientation lol.

for those who wonder i am anti abortion in most cases but im also anti genocide, wars with no common sense, raceism, genderism, gay bashing and all the other isms.

good grief hasnt history taught anyone anything??

peter
 

Great topic John.. In a nutshell.. We need to abort intolerance, violence, greed and power as it knows no boundaries and grows into the ugliest of 'babies' that are coddled by the masses.

Big hugs.. Kate