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Monday, August 20, 2007 

Current mood:  contemplative
Category: Music

Recently, we've received criticism for the following quote:

 

"Leave the corporate radio driven crap behind and experience the all new genre of dark power metal"

 

The criticism comes from the misconception that we claim to be the first dark powermetal band. We did not intend for that conclusion to be reached. We are only saying that we are a band in that new genre. I feel that we must set the record straight, because otherwise people could get the wrong impression about us.

 

Putting you in our shoes, here was the problem we were faced with:  We couldn't call ourselves "thrash metal". Nowadays people think Lamb of God or Skeleton Witch: bands which have growling/screaming vocals unlike us. When we called ourselves "powermetal", people we're imagining a NWOBHM sound like Iron Maiden or Helloween, and after hearing our music, people would tell us that we sound darker than they expected. Eventually, we just kept the "dark" when we said "powermetal".

 

The second misconception is that the dark powermetal genre has been around for years. This is not true at all! The bands considered to be the founders of this form of metal (Iced Earth, Demons & Wizards, Nevermore) have been around for years, not the genre. For example, Iron maiden and Judas Priest, bands that existed since the 70's, are considered by many to have defined the genre of powermetal, however they were not called powermetal from the start. The term "powermetal" was coined years later; a fact clearly evident by Metallica's 1982 "Power Metal Demo", which has become a staple of thrash metal, but by today's definition, it is far from being powermetal. As of August 2007, if you Google "Dark Powermetal", you'll get 52 entries. Not 52 bands; 52 total results….on the internet. Clearly, it has to be considered new, because it's not a widely used by any major bands or even by the bands in that genre.

 

The 52 results might fuel the argument that "Dark Powermetal" isn't a valid genre; for if a genre was unique enough to warrant a new definition, then that would have already happened. It is and was! The term "American powermetal" is commonly used in Europe to define this form of music (which I know from living in Germany for a year) and can be read about on Wikipedia. Now, what is the MAJOR PROBLEM with this title? Americans have no idea what it means. You can't be a band in America, and say you are an American powermetal band; they'll just think you're being patriotic, and it won't tell them anything about your sound.

 

Genres are defined from necessity. In metal music, there is a vast range of different everything. In the era of Myspace, people have literally millions of bands to sift through. Even the most metal metalhead can't listen to everything, so genres help people narrow down their search.

 

So, finally, while we do consider our music to be original, we in no way consider it to be genre defining, and we've never made that claim.  If you are curious about where this whole topic started, check out MetalReview.com's review of our first full length "Yesterday's Tomorrow":

http://www.metalreview.com/3790/Silver-Cypher-Yesterday's-Tomorrow.aspx

 

And thanks for taking the time to read this long rant! - Jon

Knap
Matt Knapke

 
Right on! Though I'm a little confused. You're right the term "power metal" or "powermetal" was put on bands like Priest and Maiden after the respective groups had been around for at least 10 years. Anyway, as long as you guys are distinguishing yourselves with your music and not by label others put on you, you will be alright.
Sorry I missed the Independence show, haven't talked to you or Animal in awhile. Let me know when your free next. Keep wavin' the dark power metal flag! OHHHHHHHH YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
Posted by Knap on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 11:07 PM
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And Here I Lie

 
man i read that review that was pretty funni! Jon a bit of advice I hope you don't take reviewers words to heart your a good singer, also I have had my share of criticism. from my band to Metal Maniacs all on how my clean singing sucked, but now those same people are in amazed at the progression that I have made, so all that time that I was making an ass out of myself in front of people playing shows sucking from time to time it all payed off! ya know that's what playing shows is all about sharpening your skills, and believe me no one had to tell me that I sucked sometimes, I told myself! LOL!

anyhow keep up the good work and don't let any criticism hinder your efforts I'm proud of what you guys have done so far in such a short time. ! cheeras!

hey BTW check out this thing on blabbermouth about And Here I Lie

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=81434
 
Posted by And Here I Lie on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 5:43 PM
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Silver Cypher

 
Actually, I agree with what he said about my singing. I only had 1 day to do the vocals for 10 songs, so I really don't have a problem with people criticizing that aspect. The only thing that annoyed me about the review was that he was so caught up with us calling ourselves "Dark Powermetal" that he neglected to do a full review. He said one sentence about the bass and drums, nothing about the lyrical content, and nothing at all about the production. Regardless, he did have some very positive things to say, especially about Adam! Plus he said things like he'd prefer to buy Dark Saga or Demons & Wizards over Yesterday's Tomorrow, but he's comparing 2 major label releases from 2 established metal bands to our independent debut release, and that's really more ignorant than it is negative. Anyway, thanks for your kind words and advise. I am really look forward to hearing more ...And Here I Lie songs too, so keep me posted! - Jon
 
Posted by Silver Cypher on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 6:41 PM
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THE CRYB
Cryb Keeper

 
I can agree. Silver Cypher have a definite dark feel.

Don't sweat the labels. Labels never did anybody any good....."did I just write that?!" Genres are simply a way to label you, so that others can define what is being described. Genre titles are how we find you on My Space and helps us define what jams kick out in our rides on Saturday night cruise-ins. Don't let anyone pigeonhole you guys.

Really now, who started this classifying music thing anyways? Possibly....was it...the PRESS!?! Well who know for sure?.....anybody got the skinny?.....

Anyway, Silver Cypher kicks out the jams and it's all a good in the underground.

CHEERZ,
The Cryb Keeper
 
Posted by THE CRYB on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 2:05 PM
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Dearg Doom
Aaron Damon

 
Ive read that review and i agree that it should have had a better description. Upcoming bands need full blown description not slander.

 
Posted by Dearg Doom on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 4:54 AM
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