Dang, wish I could sign... I'll be sure Stu knows about it!
 

Sometimes I just wish you'd say what you mean and don't hold back :)

To expand on what you said, there's a book I'm halfway through called "Londonistan" - now in it's 9th reprint. £6.99 from Amazon - just buy it, read it, then leave it somewhere for someone else to read. Yes, it might be shocking, but the truth often is.

Congrats on the article in the Telegraph by the way!
 

I would think that Pat Condell would be familiar with Melanie Phillips' book.
 

You're brilliant. Thanks for helping some of us here in the mid-west (where reporting on anything REAL is NEVER done) educate ourselves.
 

Pat, you are the freaking man!!!!!

I am glad to see that youtube did the right thing for once.

So when are you guys going to have a right to bear arms like we do over here? That is the only true way to protect oneself and one's loved ones against not only criminals, but the stupidity of government.
 

Thanks Pat. This world would be a happier place without all religion but especially muslim. No more wars, how good would that be. Give our kids a better world to live in.
 

While agreeing with you Pat, I still say you do not understand Saudi Arabia or its politics. There is no agenda or conspiracy from the Saudi government. They could not give a flying fck about Sharia law being introduced to Britain.
Everything the Saudi Leadership does is to maintain Saudi leadership, (which is unislamic in itself), in power. That is all they are interested in, just staying in power.
The eastern potentate absolute rulers, "The Royal House of Saudi" pander to the Islamic establishment of their country in a kind of deal, you can be as nutty as you want as long as we control the economy and the wealth. It works rather well, unfortunately for the reasons you point out.
Even the Saudi government fights Islamic terrorists who want to over throw them. A Royal Family is thought of as unIslamic, but tolerated by the Islamic power base by bribery of cash and continued advancement of Islamic traditions.
I think the only threat we have in the UK since King Jon who was so pissed off with the Pope in the 12th century entered into a dialogue with Saladin, and even invited Islamic scholars to England as a possible idea to introduce Islam, is liberal Christians, in other words Muslim apologists who want all faiths acknowledged.
I think liberal Christians like Tony Blair and Prince Charles are the biggest problem, certainly not Saudi Arabia who care only about Saudi Arabia. It will be Christians that bring in Sharia law, in my opinion and not Saudis. There is nothing more ironic and moronic than religion.
 

Louis, you do not understand Islam, nor Saudi Arabia.

The Muslim world is calling for the next Caliphate to usher in their long awaited al-Mahdi. Muslims sole goal is to dominate the world which includes Sharia Law. Islam is not just a religion, but a system of rules, government, laws, judicial system, military and a Muslim must submitt to the ideology because the do not go to "paradise" by faith, but by deeds. It is called jihad. It is the duty of every Muslim to convert the world to Islam, at any means possible, including murder.

The Saudi's are funding Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood, today widely regarded as the largest Islamic movement in the world, was founded by Hassan al-Banna in 1928. Its member groups are dedicated to the motto: "Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."

Research analyst Lorenzo Vidino writes about The Muslim Brotherhood's Conquest of Europe "Since the early 1960s, Muslim Brotherhood members and sympathizers have moved to Europe and slowly but steadily established a wide and well-organized network of mosques, charities, and Islamic organizations." Their ultimate goal "may not be simply 'to help Muslims be the best citizens they can be,' but rather to extend Islamic law throughout Europe and the United States."

Saudi Arabia and their Sheiks, Princes etc... do care about Sharia law in Britian and around the world for that matter. Why do you think so much money is being funneled into Europe and the United States by the Saudis?

Prince Alwaleed is very vocal about Islamization of the world.

My suggestion is you better get to know your enemy. Study the history of Islam.

Here is where I received some of the above information.

http://www.think-israel.org/fjordman.muslimbrotherhood.html
 

Oh I think we understand Saudi Arabia all right - it's history, and association with other power centers, enough to know that they are indeed concerned about spreading Islam worldwide. Indeed, it is a core tenet of the cognitively-challenged, emotionally-bankrupt, morally-repugnant 'belief system' known as Islam.

As for Saudis fighting 'terrorists', well, yes and no - they, like the U.S. and Britain, are highly selective when it comes to which 'terrorists' they fight or support.

Whether the so-called royal family panders, supports, or is in bed with the religious clerics is a point that I cannot confirm or deny, but it is a pointless point either way; the system supports and is intertwined with Islamic law and the government carries out all manner of abuses and barbarities while using Islam as the 'moral justification'.

Which brings me to sweet Britannia - it is about the money, and if the current group of over-educated thugs who control the apparatus of government in Britain have to allow and embrace sharia law (with all it's nasty implications) to keep our desert-dwelling large check writing friends happy - then so be it! Fuck the people, fuck democracy, fuck real human decency, fuck anyone who does not have a shit-pot full of illgotten boodle to grease the wheels.

While I appreciate your thoughtful attempt to explain this situation in the larger context of history, you are missing the larger point: Religion is a useful tool of the ruling class, each ruling regime has their own agenda which consists of dominating other cultures and polities, and the ruling class in Saudi Arabia would prefer to use their favorite 'tool' of moral justification: Islam.

Ergo, we cannot deflect and project the blame onto 'Liberal Christians', per se, or even the Conservative Protestants here in the U.S. who cynically promote these inter-faith dialogs.

Ergo, we cannot ignore the very real fact the Saudis (among others) desire to dominate the rest of the world with their culture, which, at this historical juncture, would be unrecognizable without Islam.
 

Louis, don't know where you found that ignorance is bliss plant, but smoke away... I'm sure you'll understand in due time. Saudi Arabia will buy up the debt from the Wall Street crisis/bailout, and America will be following after Britain rather quickly, I'm afraid.
 

Louis, with all due respect, I suggest you may wish to broaden your experience with Saudi religion and politics. I get the feeling you're trying to find answers and perspectives, but that your sources may be limited to a small circle with specific agendas of misinformation. Any time one relies on limited, specific sources of information, one runs the risk of overlooking wider perspectives, not to mention the deeper risk of becoming a useful idiot to dangerous propaganda.
 

Well my ignorance comes from being an Iraqi Arab married to an Iranian, and I am not missing the point. I understand the dangers, but I also understand the fear that the House of Saudi have, they are worried that they will one day lose power to the Islamic mob. Unlike Saddam they have not tried to crush it, they patronise it.
There is no Saudi Conspiracy to over throw the Church of England and British democracy. This does not mean I do not recognise individual pressures that may come from selective Saudi Muslims.
But the Saudi conspiracy theory is in line with wmd and 9/11.
The Saudi leaders need a democratic western capitalist world to exist, that is obvious..

And as far as liberal faith Christians go I do think they are more of a danger. I have enjoyed multiculturalism in the UK, but the price could be high. Our religious liberals as Pat points out in the labour party like Blair, who is trying to start a multi faith foundation is not in my eyes a good idea. http://tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/
,nor is Prince Charles suggesting that when he becomes King he wants to be titled defender of the faith"s", in place of faith, well I could do with out either.
"Faith" has been brought into law recently, in as much as you cant criticise it in the way you could.
In a liberal quest to find harmony amongst the 3 monolithic religions by way of political correctness, the door is being ever widened for silly things like Sharia courts, even our top Bishop said their is a place in the UK for such courts. So far he has been laughed at, by reactionary right for the most part, not normally allied to me.

For some one like me on the left of politics there is, and I am being honest here, a fear that in making all peoples equal, we will get the inequality of faith based law, it may even end up by being more Christian as the antagonistic groups in scripture battle for control of the law.

Liberals should be the ones pointing the way from Bronze age faiths, instead they are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Being reasonable and tolerant of diversity is a good thing, but they should also as liberals be especially sensitive to the dangers of religious literalism. How ever most are not.

The same failure of liberalism is evident in wider Western Europe, where the dogma of multiculturalism has left a secular Europe very slow to address the looming problem of religious extremism among its immigrants. The people who speak most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually fascists, and that scares me, because they have a race agenda. I hate this failure of the liberal elite to address faith being dragged into our lives. But I do not blame the Corrupt Saudi government, they have bigger concerns, and for them the stakes are far higher.
 

As an Iraqi Arab, Louis, you may very well "enjoy" the multiculturalism in the UK.

Have you ever considered, though, what the indigenous people might feel about having the nation that they were (erroneously, it is now clear) brought up to believe was theirs rapidly transformed in front of their very eyes into something indisputably alien and almost certainly hostile, and to be vilified as racist bigots if they dare to object to their dispossession and marginalisation?

You presumably still regard Iraq as home, and I suspect that you would be horrified if it were to be demographically and culturally transformed beyond recognition by the uncontrolled mass immigration of people of vastly different (and demonstrably incompatible) cultures, yet this is precisely what is happening in Europe.
 

Louis, Sharia law does NOT accept Atiests or Agnostics. And you would be hung just for the way you look alone.
 

I totally agree with you, that the Saudi Royal Family, has nothing on the Senior Council of Clerics, when it comes to religious influence. It's sort of like the way media, here in the US, has tried to make Ahmadinejad out to be the root of all evil, when Khameini and the mullahs are the true wielders of power. Funny little world we live in. I would, however, expand your argument beyond just moderate Christians, with multi-culturalist cravings. This is a game a lot of people are already playing. Religion must not play any role in politics, or the judiciary (which is what has got Pat all fired up). The Saudis can do that all day in long in their own country, but it's just a disastrous fit for any Western democracy.

btw,

great rant Pat.

:D
 

Thank you Pat for your on going fight for reason and rationale. Please keep up the good fight.
 

Micky Mouse must die, says Saudi Cleric
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/2963744/Mickey-Mouse-must-die-says-Saudi-Arabian-cleric.html
They're condemning cartoon characters to death now, in Saudia Arabia. I think that proves they are insane.
 

glad youtube saw sense and reinstated your video, I have a feeling it won't be the last time we have to suffer online hypocrisy from them though. Another well spoken and articulate video Pat, I am surprised you have not been "death threated" by one of our well mannered and level headed bretheren within the more fundamental side of Islam for the bare faced cheek to speak your mind in a free country ;o)
 

Well done and welcome back. As an American, I look with growing concern about what is happening "across the pond". One of your readers above pointed out that with our ongoing financial crisis, the time is ripe for the Saudis to buy up all the "bad paper" floating around over here. Their next step after that is obvious to anyone with more that two functioning brain cells. A line in the sand must be drawn.
 

All signed! I've posted it on my blog on Myspace and on another blog network. I REALLY hope this goes somewhere or things are going to go seriously tits up in this country!
 

I am so glad freedom of speech still exists SOMEWHERE... even if it IS only honored on Youtube...

Im from the US and want to wish Britain good luck...we're just now starting to see the beginning of this same situation in the US
 

I signed the petition man, thing is, last time I did one, the government did what it was going to do anyway. The only way you can get the government to change it's ways, is in the manner of French Style opposition, tractors around the Arch De Triumph. (However it's spelt)
 

Amen! the same in the US here. We, the American people wanted NO PART in this 700 BILLION dollar welfare for the super rich bailout but it passed anyways.

We should have been like the french and shut the whole nation down the next day in protest. But no, we are too distracted by our entertainment and we have all these morons here who argue that doing that would not solve anything.

To me any action that gets your democratically elected government to listen to you and not money is a positive action for the benefit of all.

Bailout passed, DOW still tanking, jobs still getting lost so nothing has changed. But what would have changed if the Govt took that 700 Billion and divided it up among all the taxpayers? People would get out of debt, thereby saving those banks and they would spend the rest thereby boosting retail orders. But that would be an equitable solution so we cannot do that. We have to give the money to the super rich so they don't notice the slowdown.
 

Imperatrix...

You wanna get the U.S. government's attention? STOP PAYING TAXES, and get all your friends to do it too! Hell, it's illegal anyway. If enough people do it at the same time, perhaps then, we the people, can inject ourselves back in to the discussion about what should, or should not, be done with OUR money.

Just a thought.
 

Another good one pat! Glad to hear you beat the bastards on youtube! Way to win one for reason and Western Civ!

The video here on myspace cuts out at 4mins 19 seconds rather then going 5 mins 16 seconds. was this just a fluke for me or anyone else have this happen?
 

nah...it was a fluke.
 

yay!! also rrooffll!!
 

I wish I could sign! Keep at it!
 

Thanks for making us aware of this issue.
 

Great as usual. To bad i can't sign the petition ( i'm not a UK citizen ). Keep up the good work !
 

As a woman I do not wish to look like a walking pepper pot.

Signed.
 

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I wish I could add 10 years to your life for every one video you submit, Pat. You're one of my favorite people. I mean that. You have a fan base that vastly exceeds your friends list.

Fair winds,

Dan