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Wednesday, September 03, 2008 
I've been through many phases in my life and I purposely start this missive in remembrance of my days of being militantly anti-Thanksgiving in deep respect of the millions of Native Americans that were massacred across this land. But with time, comes forgiveness, and me and many of my militant or once militant friends have come to forgive the horrid realities of the first Thanksgiving to delve deeper into the simple warmth and beauty of being surrounded by loved ones and good food on a cozy November day.
Well, the story goes that as age progresses so does wisdom, our understanding of compassion, and for some, the fervor of our militancy. Although, I seldom bring up unfortunate misgivings of the Native Americans (I leave that to the pre-teens at the table who are just cutting their teeth on thinking outside of the box), me and the teenagers have begun to warm up to the plight of the Turkey.
Just last year, I spent a Friday evening with a young turkey that had been rescued from a factory farm. It was warm and fuzzy like a cat, it purred when I rubbed its belly, it looked me in my eyes with the same understanding that I see in my dogs and spent an hour playing nicely with me and my niece. It didn't take long for me to regain my anti-Thanksgiving stance, but this time with a new cause: an end to uncompassionate traditions.

Why participate in a practice that does more harm than good on a day when gratitude and compassion should rule?
Why not give the planet something to be thankful for? And your body. A good choice of seitan, field grains, or tofu stuffed with a chicken-broth free stuffing and smothered in mushroom gravy (the gravy is the key!) is a scrumptious way of saying thank you to the Earth and life that nourishes our existence on this planet. I know that being 'green' or cruelty free seems like a simple trend, but so did being anti-slavery, or pro-womens rights.

The fact is that the growing popularity of vegetarianism is inevitable, but your participation in a nationwide pastime blinded by its ode to the past is not. The future is now and cannot include the mindless ingestion of cruelty in all its forms while waving flags for peace. If you envision a non-violent world, participate in the one that already exists. It is as simple as a choice you can make here and now to try something new this November, to distinguish your recipes from your grandmothers. Replace the lard with something that won't kill grandpa. Replace your insensitivity with a growing state of concern and awareness or own up to the violent realities and toxins you ingest. Harsh words, eh? Its even harder on the stomache.

My goal is not to enact judgment on any and everyone who eats meat. I've had enough fried chicken in my life to be tried and convicted of genocide by a jury of free-range chickens. My simple goal is challenge every reader to begin the process of envisioning what their participation in a utopian, healthy planet would look like. I have spent most of my short life fighting to remind friends, family, and those I've come into contact with that just because something has persisted for a few hundred years, or even a just a few decades, doesn't mean that it must be perpetuated. Our understanding of self, God, love, and planet are all streamlining in ways that mirror our ability to communicate through the technology that advances that process. The cynicism that wishes me good luck but believes grandpa will never change, is dead on. Grandpa will die. But as for you, you can fight against the poetry of our times or you can triumph in connecting the dots between your freedom and your responsibility and watch how the winds of change conspire to thank you.

Until then, the saying 'you are what you eat' proves most of y'all to be a bunch of jive-ass turkeys.


Saul aka _________. (What up Nas?)

ps. And don't fall for that 'Organic' or 'Free Range' bullshit. Trusting an FDA stamp on your food is like trusting an oil lobbyist in a solar paneled car discussion. Google 'Vegan Recipes' and add your own personal flair and send me a thank you note when you subsequently drop those few pounds your trainer couldn't help you with. 'Vegan Nutrition' for those who think you need meat for dietary health or just google 'MY NUTS'.

"One farmer says to me, 'You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make bones with'; and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying his system with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plough along in spite of every obstacle." ~Henry David Thoreau, Where I Lived And What I Lived For.
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konstrukt11

 
word saul!
 
Posted by konstrukt11 on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:39 AM
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DJ GOLD a\k\a TAXI GANG

 
POR ESO mr tardust

peace =a
 
Posted by DJ GOLD a\k\a TAXI GANG on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:39 AM
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Myriam

 
I just wanted to say thank you for speaking out against our current culture of mindless eating. I'm a long time vegetarian and recent vegan and now when my friends/family ask me why I went as far as veganism I point them toward your blogs (along with a few informative websites) because you write so much more eloquently then I speak. So I thank you, and my mother thanks you (your summer reading blog was the final push she needed to become vegetarian and she is now, after much discussion with me, leaning toward vegan).

 
Posted by Myriam on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:41 AM
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Ryan Hanna

 
thanks again!
 
Posted by Ryan Hanna on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:43 AM
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Daniel Jaramillo
Daniel Jaramillo

 
Cool man their was alot of passion in what you were expressing and humour, I'll make sure my food that is organic doesnt have an FDA Stamp and looking up Vegan Recipes is not a bad idea!.

 
Posted by Daniel Jaramillo on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:44 AM
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Kefka
Kefka Palazzo

 
Saul,

I must agree with you, but I cannot feel satisfied in going without meat.

You're a crusader of worthy causes no doubt, and for this, I cannot help but look to you with admiration.

Aside from the fact that I am allergic to nuts, I cant see myself feeling anything but out of place in a utopian society, as adversity is the impetus for evolution.

The world has been a cruel and uncaring place for 4 billion or so years, and the great mother will hardly miss the turkey you bonded with, any more then she will miss the many unfit species that she has allowed to be ground under our heel, or the figurative heel's of dominant species across this planets lifespan.

I would eat you, or another human to prove my point, given the chance, though, I doubt you would taste anywhere near as delicious as a hormone injected serving of ground, or deep-fried and battered livestock...
Please give blood Saul.

We are doomed, and it is true, in so many households, "wisdom no longer comes with age".

 
Posted by Kefka on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:46 AM
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Greer Sommer
Greer Sommer

 
Desolvent,

Although I have only read a single response you wrote to Saul Williams about his non-turkey/non-traditional Thanksgiving blog, I was very impressed with your eloquence and intelligence in challenging him. Furthermore, I largely...but not completely agree with you about most of the points you made.


In spite of the fact that Saul Williams is my biggest hero, ... he changed my life (I interviewed him a few years ago). I think your response was witty, intelligent and brought up many interesting ideas.
In an ideal Utopian civilization, one that doesn't exist, he makes many beautiful and peaceful points particularly about peace coming from within first!

However, we live in a culture where being at or below the poverty level is the norm and people are often eating what ever then can afford or what ever is gifted to their table. Food banks are filled w/unhealthier choices than expensive organic or natural choices. Even in front of popular supermarkets, generic cola is $.35 vs several dollars for an inorganic half-gallon of juice.


I too am allergic to nuts, soy, oily fish and a few other "healthier" choices. It seems that lean meat puts less pounds on a body than free or affordable food. Veggies that are not organic are so polluted they even taste like poison. I love all natural organic juices, fresh foods, veggies, healthful choices...however, I'm a single momma of two young and beautiful daughters (see photo if you like-Sonya Isabella & Romy Rocket) and if the electricity doesn't go off this month, it will be a miracle. I got laid off Aug. 1st 2008 along w/ how many others (?) and my un-employment doesn't cover what it takes to survive.


I am blood type-O, of the oldest people. My body performs well on lean meat and veggies. I tried to be vegan for 10 days, It was so hard with my allergies, I gained weight and felt weak. I don't have the luxury of relying on family or friends. Most of my friends are in similar situations, struggling, one month away from being homeless. The food bank lines make me want to cry, looking at at the destitution and toothless people.


I was raised with a silver spoon, which tarnished, bent and got somewhat mangled in the mess of my broken marriage and the unfortunate lack of work in a small town, If I move Poppa would probably pluck all my feathers. Further, I refuse to be broken down again asking for food stamps, as the last two times I went to DSHS ( thanks Ann Shenk) I was laughed at for being so educated and in such an unfortunate situation.


I have always been a worker, I trust that this too shall pass. I refuse to be a mom that is not available for my children. Working more than full time, away from home is unacceptable and besides I have to fit into the childcare box. I was raised a motherless daughter, it is especially important for me to be a present and positive role model.


I say, bona appetite...enjoy your meat.


Peace and Blessings,

Greer Starr Sommer
 
Posted by Greer Sommer on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 8:39 PM
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Greer Sommer
Greer Sommer

 
Dang it Saul...why do you have to be right again! Okay, I spent the significant hour watching Diet for a new American Nation, or called something similar and I have to change a lot of my ingestion.


The movie really moved me to be get over my selfish eating habits and consider the bigger picture. It wasn't a revolutionary movie because I am somewhat informed about green policies and practices. However, it was extremely clinical and very visual. Also the comparison between China and the USA's health issues were astounding and really sealed the deal for me. So Saul, once again you have changed my mind, path, and daily ingesting patterns. Many kudos for your strong convictions and the ability to open my mind.


Sincerely,

Greer Starr Sommer aka DJ Diagonal

PS- My situation has improved considerably since my former post on Thanksgiving.
Peace
 
Posted by Greer Sommer on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 3:36 PM
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The Ångelus

 
I consider myself blessed to live in a world where I can absorb a conversation like the dialog between you and Desolvant. Thank you both for your eloquence and words from the heart.


Oh, and Saul tool.
:-P
 
Posted by The Ångelus on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 3:48 PM
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FUNKRETCH
martin jarvis

 
truly inspiring saul
 
Posted by FUNKRETCH on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:46 AM
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Uzma

 
we are adding vegan carrot cake to our restaurant soon :)
 
Posted by Uzma on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:49 AM
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The Smoking Platypus

 
I would think that native americans must look at thanksgiving much like americans look at pearl harbor...
 
Posted by The Smoking Platypus on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:49 AM
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Carlo De Luna
Carlito Q.

 
me and my girl made the jump to vegetarianism this past new year. cheers to your health saul. mad love.

 
Posted by Carlo De Luna on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:51 AM
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Adrian Phoenix
Adrian Phoenix

 
Thanks for sharing your insight, Saul! I often hike in the hills with my dog and come across wild turkeys and deer and I enjoy watching them. I haven't had the pleasure of spending time with a young rescued turkey, but you've painted a picture of a feeling, thinking creature that'll stay with me. Paul McCartney said he became a vegan after a fishing trip in which he realized that to an animal (or fish...which scientists are now declaring as more intelligent than previously believed...duh) their life is just as important to them as ours are to us.


I like to believe that as individuals become more compassionate as they age, more understanding of others and themselves, so does the human race as a whole. We collectively try to protect others unable to protect themselves, human and animal, and fight for their rights. Not all that long ago, attending public executions was family entertainment.


I've often wondered why dolphins will fight to save a human from a shark when, in truth, as a species, we don't deserve their compassion. They must be more spiritually advanced than we are at the moment. More accepting.


Anyway, thanks for the food for thought! Hah.


Adrian
 
Posted by Adrian Phoenix on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:52 AM
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RV

 
Thankyou for this timely missive
 
Posted by RV on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:53 AM
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Sandoz

 
Thank you again!

You have no idea how many people thought I was weird when I went on my Native American/Thanksgiving rant! That part of history is skipped unless you educate yourself about it. Then it went into the Native American/Be Compassionate/Thanksgiving rant. People still think I am weird. Oh well. I am used to it at this point in my life, but I still continue on with my beliefs and am OK with sharing why I feel that way. My family still harasses me about it after 20 years. You'd think it would have gotten old by now.....

One question that has always been asked of me is how I get protein and/or calcium.


I then have to remind these people that it is possible to eat legumes, grains, dark greens, plenty of vegetables/fruits and fortified soy/rice milk for protein and calcium. It isn't as hard as people make it out to be.
Plus it is so much easier now than 20 years ago!

p.s. I agree to a certain extent in relation to what you said about organic and free range food. Unfortunately the government made a horrible choice in the new organic laws, I do believe that there are specific foods, like strawberries and apples, that should be eaten as organic since they absorb the pesticides and pass to the body.

Free range, I believe is a crock because some animals are only allowed outdoors for 10 minutes. If the animals even make it or are able to make it. I think that there is a humane logo that people can look for now though.... Being truly humane would be to not eat animals!
Have you ever had Tofurky? haha! They even have gravy too!

Anyways... Thank you for sharing and educating!
 
Posted by Sandoz on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:53 AM
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Emily D

 
We have a tofurkey for big holiday meals. They're great. If you don't do soy for whatever reason, try Quorn roasts (made with mycoprotein from mushrooms) - also quite tasty.

 
Posted by Emily D on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:53 AM
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Aaron C. ®

 
the way you speak is truly unique, every time i watch one of your videos i hear something indescribe-able in the background. I haven't been able to understand what sort of events in life would create an individual such as you. But by reading what you write and questioning the norm maybe one day i could acquire what i hear in the background. And speak in a new way to call my own.


You are one of the inspirational figures in my life.

Thank u for all your work
 
Posted by Aaron C. ® on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:53 AM
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Olupero

 
Nice,

i've been a vegetarian for over 10 years and have tried vegan once or twice, but after taking your suggestion and reading "Thanking The Monkey..." by Karen Dawn, i actually went vegan for good. that was only about 30 pages into the damn book. i couldn't bear seeing Fido in the trash can, thanks a lot man.

 
Posted by Olupero on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:54 AM
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Christian

 
that means up till real recent ive been a pig/cow/chicken, thats scary!
love u saul
 
Posted by Christian on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:55 AM
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1,000,000

 
Amen! I participate in Thanksgiving every damn day when I wake up and stand up on my healthy feet and not have to dodge bullets as I leave my house to welcome the day. And I have been pretty militant about the celebration of a massacre for years. However last TG my wife and i had the realization that this is also a day where as you said, the planet is robbed of thousands(?) millions(?) of innocent turkeys. We for the first time and for the last (well it was her idea, i could really give a shit about the holiday) wanted family over and we'd make a turkey. I'll tell you what made me nearly vomit, cry, and want to scream in rage was washing down a fucking carcass in my sink. A caracass that once was a beautiful animal, and a carcass that was the size of a small child. The only reason I ate it once it was prepared was because it would have been even more of a waste not to. I mourned that animal for months. But after that I discovered Tofurky. I highly recommend it to anyone seeking a great celebratory meal.


Regarding veganism, I still think that vegetarian is the way to go. But then again, the only vegans I know are kids that only do it because it's what's "in". Those kids are drug free as a fad, and "chem free" as a fad. Funny enough, their diets consist of mountain dew, coke, whatever shit lives on a shelf that is cheap, has no animal byproducts, but is poisoned with preservatives. That shit doesn't sound chem free to me... ok now i'm rambling.


Great post Saul!!!
 
Posted by 1,000,000 on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:56 AM
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De Profundis Clamavi [DF]

 
You have never lied.

 
Posted by De Profundis Clamavi [DF] on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:56 AM
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delyria.s.lee

 
I couldn't have expressed this more eloquently...if humankind engaged in a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle the world would be healthier(and happier-studies prove it) as a whole.
Always an inspiration you are!
 
Posted by delyria.s.lee on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:56 AM
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JaNai

 
nuff said.

 
Posted by JaNai on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:08 PM
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uɐʎɹ

 
didn't Omar recently start eating eggs?
 
Posted by uɐʎɹ on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:10 PM
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happyhappyjamesworld ॐ
Happy Happy james World

 
word indeed.

 
Posted by happyhappyjamesworld ॐ on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 3:49 PM
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IZZY™ “The Artist”.com
Get Custom

 
interesting... will think on this over the days

peace
Izzy
"The Artist"
 
Posted by IZZY™ “The Artist”.com on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 3:40 PM
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Megan

 
What's wrong with being a jive-ass turkey? As a terminally white person, i've been forced to make peace with my jive-ness long ago. And Thanksgiving? Is strictly stuffing and potatoes for this jive-ass turkey! You can still have a pretty traditional spread without any meat. And now I need stuffing and mashed potatoes....
 
Posted by Megan on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 2:58 AM
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Kara Madid Parker

 
saul, this was dope, as is everything you do!

i became vegetarian earlier this year and i am working on switching to vegan right now...]..i feel so much healthier. and i really dont care about seeming weird to everyone i go out to eat with when i sit amongst them with a plate full of veggies n fruit n beans etc. because im doing what i do for very good reason.


this is unrelated, but could u pleaseeee make a visit to Howard University in D.C.
?!?!? thats my school and i would be honored and ecstatic to see you here! so pleaseeee come, if you can!

.peace.


-kara
 
Posted by ▬-ӄ ὶ Ꮻ ɳ ὶ▐▬ on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 6:29 PM
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Katie Bee
katie bee

 
The house of my childhood (and, consequently, the house of every Thanksgiving of my life) is located in the same valley as Jaindl Turkey Farms. The company's claim to fame is that there has been a Jaindl turkey on the president's table every year since 1966.


Yet I have seen the trucks and coops filled with those enormous white birds and I have smelled the stench of their shit and slaughter. To see their feathers litter the roadside like so many slashed pillows is unsettling to say the least.


However, Thanksgiving is one of the few days a year I eat meat (Christmas and New Years being the others). My family simply doesn't understand and, no matter how many times I explain it to them, it is still a greater offense to refuse my mother's and grandmother's cooking than to eat what was once as alive as my family.


There are few times when I'll eat meat, and that's when it'd be a disgrace and a waste not to eat it (Thanksgiving, with all its overabundance, qualifies as a meat-eating meal for this alone). I hate needless slaughter, but I hate packing up those landfills, too.

 
Posted by Katie Bee on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 2:02 AM
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Sanctuary

 
AMEN & NAMASTE' BROTHER.

Blessings always,
the candle girl
 
Posted by Sanctuary on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 5:12 PM
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megan

 
You are such a hero. Thank you for being such a passionate and open person.

 
Posted by megan on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 5:12 PM
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Andrew

 
Thank you for this! Come back to Chicago soon.

 
Posted by Andrew on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 4:11 PM
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Zachary
Zachary Wilson

 
It's good to know that you, one of my biggest inspirations, are on the same page as I am when it comes to your ideals on diets; the very diet which I have followed for many months now.
PLANT DIET PLANT DIET PLANT DIET!
 
Posted by Zachary on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 4:11 PM
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Buzzter

 
I definitely hear you on Native Americans. They eat meat but they had reverence towards the animals life they took, and used it all. They prayed thanks towards the animal and showed gratitude for its beauty and grace. Watch Last of the Mohicans, at the very beginning. No religion on the planet comes close to the Native Americans. They were closest to the perfect balance.

 
Posted by Buzzter on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 4:29 PM
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Lawrence Chet Ray

 
Part 1

We humans disturb all kinds of balance. Development displaces predators, predators control sickness and over-population of animals like rats, deer, pig, etc. In my neck of the woods deer populations are soaring and guess what? Fatal car crashes with deer are skyrocketing.


Life feeds on life, and I am pretty sure that at some frequency the carrot you eat is just as aware as the turkey.


This said, I feel like the disconnection of people from the life they feed on is a major problem. The first time I skinned and tanned the hide of a road-kill doe, I became aware of the complete seperation I had developed from the reality of the death. As I cut and pulled, peeled and stretched... I was face to face with my own mortality. I was in tears and I wanted to quit- but I was already in the middle of things and I was now RESPONSIBLE for the end result. I honored that deer by making a fine meditation seat out of her hide. I kept all the pieces I knew how to use: sinew, bones, hooves...

Later I began thinking of this as I pealed cucumbers, chopped chard. It's no different. If people were actually connected to the gifts they were receiving as they feed on the lives of other life forms, they would experience true THANKS GIVING.


Everything at the grocery store is dead or going to die on your behalf, or the behalf of your brothers and sisters. It is a sacred part of the cycle of life, and we have forgotten.


Part 2

Utopia will not stop the cycle. Life feeds on life. If "utopia" is ever achieved, it will be a state of mind. I would go so far as to say that utopia is here and now, simultaneously existing with heaven hell pergatory nirvana valhalla ....

Part 3

It would be nice if there was a government subsity given to those that took a "Carniverous Awareness Course" that included hands on experience with the actual process of killing and preparing animals for the table. Everyone should be viscerally aware of the beings they consume.


Love
Ray
 
Posted by Lawrence Chet Ray on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 6:03 AM
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Venus

 
sometimes.... i think you read my mind.

stay green.

v.

 
Posted by Venus on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 5:10 AM
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Haxton Goffron

 
Keep on, keep on!
 
Posted by Haxton Goffron on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 6:58 PM
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Stacy
Stacy Lightner

 
Thanks so much for taking the time out to say that. It needed to be said. For anyone who dislikes, or may be allergic to the mushroom gravy you should try a cream of celery soup in your stuffing. The cream of celery may be mixed with a regular brown (non meat ) gravy and it will taste just as delicious.

 
Posted by Stacy on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 7:18 PM
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cardo
richard sandoval

 
in my younger years i was on a trip to go snowboarding in idaho we pased a feed lot that stunk up the whole car i was young but it was a fimiliar experence to me , but there was this cow with its head stuck in the feed gate it was full but could not get out. i was shocked it was a passing glimpse. then someone had spraypainted on the next over pass we encountered "vanity is everything" and it hit me like a mack truck. all the starving people in the world. our mass consumption of the worlds product. we feed this luxury. and we wait for utopia. we are greed. we are a holichost. the anser is passing us by. why dont more people see what they do. the market is still a vulgar reality. when you eat meat why do you fear the blood and guts that brought the mc nuggets to your mouth with no bones. they are still real in the land fill.
at least admit that
 
Posted by cardo on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 5:36 AM
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Leisa

 
Ha! So, I LOVE reading this Blog at precisely this moment. I was just rummaging through the refrigerator, and I couldn't find anything easy and satisfying to eat. I have been eating mostly whole fruits and veggies, whole grains, and nuts (not labeling myself). Any instant gratification was not seeming apparent, except maybe my roommates Turkey. And Cheese. LOL They are sliced and packaged so neatly.. and the turkey won't know.. is what passed through my mind! I wish that I had read this like 20 minutes ago, cause I reached in and grabbed a bit of each to satisfy my desire, however, I don't want to participate anymore in the inhumane treatment of animals, on any scale. Nor do I want to fall into old ways of thinking, "I need meat to live optimally" Because I KNOW ITS NOT TRUE!!! I feel great when I don't eat meat, cheese, sugar, or bread. I also know that the energy that went into those meats and cheeses, just went into my body, a sort of cremation chamber now! It is important to bless the things that you eat, and I do bless the lives of the animals who have provided dinner for me tonight, and I thank them.
I also thank you! ALOHA and BLESSINGS friend!!! (no that doesnt mean I'm going to eat you)
 
Posted by Leisa on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 5:06 AM
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Trevor

 
tofurkey all the way.

 
Posted by Trevor on Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 7:28 PM
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Joe

 
Could the move toward vegetarianism be a false sense of control, over an evolutionary mechanism, that remove us from a cycle, back to a linear perspective, where we are at the pinnacle of evolution(erroneous belief)?
 
Posted by Joe on Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 10:04 PM
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Ace
Nelson Ventura

 
I feel you,we have to change our diets.I still haven't made that transition,but with prayer and will-power I will.Thanks for your words of enlightment.
Luis
 
Posted by Ace on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 5:26 PM
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Ace
Nelson Ventura

 
I feel you,we have to change our diets.I still haven't made that transition,but with prayer and will-power I will.Thanks for your words of enlightment.
Luis
 
Posted by Ace on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 5:28 PM
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Ace
Nelson Ventura

 
I feel you,we have to change our diets.I still haven't made that transition,but with prayer and will-power I will.Thanks for your words of enlightment.
Luis
 
Posted by Ace on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 5:39 PM
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Ace
Nelson Ventura

 
I feel you,we have to change our diets.I still haven't made that transition,but with prayer and will-power I will.Thanks for your words of enlightment.
Luis
 
Posted by Ace on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 5:40 PM
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Ace
Nelson Ventura

 
I feel you,we have to change our diets.I still haven't made that transition,but with prayer and will-power I will.Thanks for your words of enlightment.
Luis
 
Posted by Ace on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 5:41 PM
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Ace
Nelson Ventura

 
I feel you,we have to change our diets.I still haven't made that transition,but with prayer and will-power I will.Thanks for your words of enlightment.
Luis
 
Posted by Ace on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 5:43 PM
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Ace
Nelson Ventura

 
I feel you,we have to change our diets.I still haven't made that transition,but with prayer and will-power I will.Thanks for your words of enlightment.
Luis
 
Posted by Ace on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 5:44 PM
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