1. The Fall of Efrafa chapter is soon going to an end. Looking back, how do you see it ? Any regrets? We
have plenty of regrets, but overall, fall of efrafa has been one of the
most amazing experiences of our lives. We have accomplished so much
more than we ever set out to, i personally never thought this band
would get past the first practice. I never thought that Neil would
believe my lie when i asked him to join "my death metal band" But he
did, and we soon convinced everyone else, and now we have created these
three records, which we are all equally proud of (although we all
cringe at the cello part in "a soul to bare") i guess it will only dawn
on us once we play the last chord and i scream the last "warren is
empty".
2. What is your best memory ?
Playing
at ABC no rio in New York, playing with Icos in sweden in a forest.
driving through the mountains in the snow, meeting some of the
loveliest people in places we never thought we would go!
3. What about the worst ? Long journeys, shitty arguments. the band ending.
4.
It looks like everything was carefully planned and hatched out in FOE,
like nothing was left to chance and improvisation. Is it the same with
the general direction of the band, was it linked to Adams' work right
from the start? Or has the evolution been natural ? Musically
it was a very organic experience, each record is a product of its time.
The music progresses as we did as people. Lyrically, i wrote and
modified the story as we went a long. Some things were changed, but
most of it was written at the start. The story was influenced by
Watership down, but bears only a skeletal resemblance to the book,
borrowing from the political and religious mythology and the names of
his characters. It is still an ode to the essence of the book. But the
music is more about feeling, i don't think we referenced our previous
records when we sat down to write new music, perhaps why all three
records sound different.
5. With this particular approach
centered on a work of art being itself the aim of your career, it seems
that everything usually revolving around a band (touring, career plans,
success...) has been nonexistent or largely secondary for you...
If we wanted to be famous, we wouldn't have started a band about
rabbits! our existence has been dictated by the fact that the band is
secondary to our jobs, our lives and our relationships. We had no
delusions of grandeur, never thought people would like what we do. Its
cool that people did, and i hope they can understand that we never had
the money to tour more than we did, and we were not willing to
sacrifice certain things to play shows. We found it hard enough to do
the things we have done, and i am surprised and glad that we managed to
write and record this final album. I guess we would all like a little
more time to play these new songs live, to allow the songs to breath,
but as i write this, it feels like the band is already over, and these
final shows are a swan song.
6. Is music a way to
magnify and exalt the lyrics and values you defend, or is it more like
a physical, necessary outlet that you could not have done without by
simply writing words.
The politics are too vague to be
read as the main focus, If we wanted that we would be an outspoken
band. But we never have been, its a bit more tactful than that. The
lyrics are about a struggle against oppression, both physically and
mentally but they are obscured by the music and the story they are
buried in. It was never about forcing agendas down peoples throats.
People
like bands because of the music. You wouldn't get all these people
arguing endlessly about genre if it wasn't for their like or dislike of
music. In our case, the lyrics and the concept and the artwork make the
music more attractive. I sometimes find it difficult to understand
where people get the idea that we are an overtly political band from.
The lyrics are metaphorical. The music is written without the words,
the words come last. Perhaps the words are important after the music
has been digested. We are a band that creates music that could be seen
as a soundtrack to the story, but it is very much the other way round.
The music and the story just happen to suit each other.
7. Throughout your existence as a band you have endeavored to get away from the traditional crust movement/scene. Why?
We
have only endeavored to not be labelled under a genre we don't aspire
to be. Fall of efrafa is not a crust band, we were never part of a
"traditional crust scene", for a start, we haven't played enough shows!
We appreciated all kinds of music, not one specific genre. I also think
that certain music genres have such strong aesthetics and pre imposed
politics, that its a little suffocating, especially for those who did
not grow up in punk. Fall of efrafa started off as a punk band and
ended as a non specific post rock band. That wasn't conscious, that was
growing up, experiencing new music, and changing tastes. We are a DIY
band that plays predominantly in the diy punk scene, because we enjoy
the friendships and the ideologies of that scene, There are plenty of
other post rock/metal bands that feel the same. I consider us to be a
post hardcore band.
8. Criticism of religion is a
major element in FOE. Stig Dagerman, who was far from being a bigot,
once said that only those who had faith could be happy. In the end he
committed suicide. Do you think one can be atheist and happy?
Is
life about happiness? life is about struggle, Humans simply exist now,
we no longer survive. In the past, success and achievement was earned
by providing for your family, by staying alive. We have replaced that
drive with the endless pursuit of happiness. As someone who has
suffered from depression most of my adult life, i do not equate
unhappiness with lack of faith. I still love and feel as much as
anyone, and that has nothing to do with religious belief. Thats
laughable. Happiness , or contentment is a goal that is unobtainable
for most humans and non humans on this planet.
Religion uses this
goal as a reason for worship, sacrificing your life for a vacuous
existence. I have no interest in a false sense of happiness through my
willful resignation of logic and truth, If atheism is to have your eyes
opened to the ugliness of reality, i would take unhappiness over
happiness any day.
9. Atheism and veganism are the two main principles you
advocate. Do they go hand in hand (historically, morally) according to
you? Why?
Mainly because they are the two values that can
be discussed, researched and applied to daily life. To understand
existence, to understand the mechanics of life, and the world around
you is both nourishing, and thought provoking. Sometimes those thoughts
can lead to questioning our role and the role of other species on this
planet. To have the freedom to understand humans as just another
species of animal, creates an equal playing field for all life.
Knowledge allows us to understand that humans do not need to consume
the lives of other sentient species. So one idea - the idea that the
universe is a chain of beautiful yet complex events, that there was no
creator, that we are simply apes with tools, can lead us to other
ideas, the ideas of respect for other life. Its really simple. I write
the lyrics, i have personally no interest in complex social and
political ideology, although some of our band do, but we all agree on
these two principles. Thats why we only really forwarded these ideas.
10. Alpinist, Reflections Of Internal Rain and others... A
lot of bands have been citing you as a major influence lately. Are you
aware of the renown you have acquired?
Its cool that people like our music, but we are also fully aware that these bands are influenced by the same bands we were.
11. Some time ago you evoked a record involving FOE and
Icos, with whom you share some common points, a certain conception of
what music is. Was/Is this project well on its way? Any chance of
seeing this released in the future?
It was cancelled when
Icos lost their drummer and decided to work on new material. They are
our friends and the bands are secondary to those friendships. Now that
Fall of efrafa is over, we can hopefully share good times together that
has nothing to do with music - we only wanted to do the split because
we found a kindred spirit in them. So the music was to be an extension
of that. I am just glad we got to see Icos, and play music with them,
and the greatest privilege is being friends with great people like
this. On our last record, the song "republic of heaven" we deliberately
copied one of their songs, and dedicated it to them. good guys.
12.
Contrary to most bands, you knew when the Efrafa experience would be
ending. Are things best enjoyed when their end is already planned?
Most
bands i have been in have ended badly, This band has ended strangely.
We are all moving away from each other, physically and emotionally. i
think we needed it to end now. I think the timing has been perfect.
13.
People were expecting a grandiose finale to these years as FOE. But
they end up with only eight shows here and there, all in Northern
Europe. No shows in France, Spain ot Italy, where you have many fans.
Is there a particular reason?
There is no reason other
than maybe people think we are "bigger" or have the time and money to
tour,. The answer to those things is no - we all have to work, we can't
take time off work. I am a freelance artist, i can't even afford the
flight to berlin to start the tour let alone take 10 days off to do the
tour. It is sad that we cannot play more, yes. And i am sorry to
everyone that we cannot play more, but Fall of efrafa has existed for
six years, we have toured europe twice. we played france five times,
and spain too, so we did play in those countries. But now the band has
ended, these last shows are a chance to say goodbye to the friends we
have made, and say thank you to the labels who put out our music. Its
all we have time for.
14. Knowing all this, the final
notes of The Warren of Snares evoke a strange sensation, like being on
a collision course with fate. Or leaving a house where you have lived
so many positive things. Aren't you going to miss FOE?
Yes
of course. I already miss Fall of efrafa. But we are all going our
separate ways to do new projects and create new things. Fall of efrafa
was also a concept band, and the story is now over. If we created more
music, it would be damaging the concept. I hope that people will
understand that,. Hell, a lot of people hated all the music we created
after Owsla, our most basic musical release! so i guess we ended a long
time ago for those guys. For everyone else, well there is three albums,
a split record and a remix cd out there. more than a lot of bands !
Enjoy !