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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 

Current mood:concerned
Category: Music
POSTSCRIPT - I would be more than happy to embrace a system whereby an album was seen as 'content' ie there was no ownership per se but that the writer/owner/composer of the material was paid for delivering it.

I've always seen there being two possible systems for the future of music.  One, you the consumer purchase internet access.  And from that access you are entitled to stream, view, download whatever.  But from your fees paid to your internet provider, royalties are paid to artists according to 'airplay' - like PRS if you will.  Impossible to police and monitor probably.

The other, more likely option would be if an album was seen as an asset sold just once to a network or a broadband supplier.  An artist makes an album, and instead of a traditional record deal or royalties they are paid a 'buy out' price for their work.  Like a film company selling their film to a studio who then distribute it. Networks and broadband providers would  then make this work they purchased outright from an artist and make it available to their subscribers.

Obviously, like the film business, the owner of the work would also share in profits and any exploitation of the work.  The 'buy out' would be a period of exclusivity for example.  Beatles music would be expensive to buy.   A new artist possibly more affordable.  And charts come from how much of an audience a work generates.  This data then determines what collateral an artist has for future works.

The downside to this is, of course new artists.
Who is going to pay a new artist what it cost and what they deserve? Who is going to give a new artist a shot?  The answer is new music will be expected to be given over freely.  Lily Allen is still blogging about this issue - check out what she has to say at her blog.

We can't stop 'file sharing' - but I absolutely support the need for a model that pays the people who work hard to entertain us all.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------If you want evidence that file sharing has destroyed the recorded music industry, look no further than at the disappearance of studios.  You'd have to use sophisticated archeologists because many of them don't exist anymore.

The recording studios where I recorded and mixed my last album, 'This Delicate Thing We've Made' have vanished.   These were studios where seminal albums by everyone from Coldplay to Tears For Fears.  From Kate Bush to the Gorillaz.  Gone Gone Gone.

The studio where I recorded 'Spin' and Savage Garden's 'Affirmation'?  Broke.

The studio where I mixed 'The Tension and The Spark' ?

Dust.

They went broke because they weren't getting any clients. 
They weren't getting any clients because not many people could afford to spend the kind of money it costs to record
in a quality recording studio facility.
Those people couldn't afford to record in such spaces because record companies weren't offering the kind of budgets 
that used to allow for such costs.
Record companies aren't offering those kinds of budgets because the sale of records doesn't earn enough money to 
pay back the investment.
The investment is not being made because the sale of records are so low.
The sale of records are so low because it has generally become the consensus that music is 'free'.
Records sell so few copies these days that major record stores are closing down.
When I was in L.A, I couldn't find the Virgin Mega Stores I used to love.  3 used to exist within a five mile radius of my
hotel.   
They're gone now.
When I was in San Francisco, I went to hang out at my favourite Virgin store where I bought 5 years of music, DVD's books
t shirts etc.
It used to be open until midnight most nights.
Then it used to have reduced opening hours.
Then one day, it closed.
Now it's a massive building with nothing in it.
Because the building used to sell music.
And now the general consensus is that music is 'free'.
People think that music is free because you can get it for free if someone gives it away for free.
Giving it away for free really means that someone takes a copy of it, either before it is released or after one person has paid
for it, and puts it online.
When someone 'finds' it online, they're not 'stealing' it. They're 'taking it'.   It was offered for free.  And besides, they want it.
Surely we should be allowed to have, for free, anything we want in life, no?

So who takes responsibility?

If someone steals a car (which costs about the same prices as say, making a cheap music video these days) and tried to sell it
on ebay - all sorts of people would be held accountable.  

But if, say, someone takes the new album by artist 'X' - and posts it on rapidshare - and a hundred thousand people take it - it seems
no one is really held responsible.

They might say, 'well the record companies are making a fortune' (they're not)
or 'The artist is rich (not anymore or possibly they never were)
or maybe they'll point the finger at the person hosting the link - the third party.  The 'pimp' in the transaction if you will.
But you can't.  Not really.  
What happens is the album eventually comes down, after a hundred thousand people have taken it - and the world continues.

Without record stores.
Or great sounding albums.
Or music videos that look amazing.
Or with recordings no longer created in amazing recording studios on incredible equipment that no longer exists.
Without record companies willing to develop new artists and spend money to promote them or allow them to grow.
Because music is, apparently, free.

Would it be so crazy to suggest that an internet provider, a person who might describe their service as providing an ISP -
are actually the ones responsible for the death of the recorded music industry?

Would it be so ludicrous to suggest that if ISP's cancelled the accounts of people who were identified giving away
albums - that this whole problem might be less grim?

Ironically, try to catch a glimpse online of the recent Michael Jackson tribute at the VMA's.
What's that?  You can't?
That's because youtube are terrified of Viacom.  The minute any 'illegal content' appears from MTV it's immediately
removed.  The same can't be said for entire CD quality rips of music over at any number of file sharing web sites.
Music, is apparently, free.

I say it all the time - but what is music worth to you?
I paid for music when I was dead broke.
And when I became wealthy from making a success of my career, I almost went broke making sure I could make 
music the way it should sound, in the way it deserved to be presented.  So please don't accuse me of being in a position
of privilege.  I've always been about putting my money where my mouth was when it came to this issue.   Most of the money I earned
from my success in the past has been used to fund my own independent releases.  

So my rant is really directed at Governments around the world to come down hard on ISP's.  And protect the recorded
music industry.   Successful albums mean jobs - band members, crew, designers, directors, manufacturing etc etc etc.
Retail Retail Retail.  All soon to be Gone Gone Gone.
This is not about popstars.  It's about an industry that is falling apart ironically when the world's interest in music is
at a peak.  

For other artist's point of view, check out Lily Allen's latest blog
or this article about Jamie T here.

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Raaaaachine

 
Amen!
 
Posted by Raaaaachine on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:45 AM
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Dallas

 
Hey Darren,
I belive there should be anti piriting encoding add to EVERY CD. That would be one step that could help. Even though DVDs have that protection, people still pirate but I belive it does help some. Our technology had anvanced to the stage where we live in a "I want it now" society. The techology has also risen to the level where the laymen can do so much from their home computor. It would be like pressing your own vinyl record back in the 60s in your own office or living room. Can you imagine how much that would have cost you? Today we, us, all of us can set down at the comfort of our laptops and make a perect copy in a few seconds of a song that someone sends us from across the world!!!!

I believe that people need to be educated to use in a (responcible way) the power to download leagal as not to damage the intire music industry or all we will have memories is of old music gone by as new music will be a thing of the past.

Thanks for posting your thought on this subject Darren. I hope it makes people think.
Dallas
 
Posted by Dallas on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 5:56 AM
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Tiara the Merch Girl
Tiara MerchGirl

 
The anti-pirating thing you talk about is called DRM...and, judging by the Sony debacle in 2007/2008, it has never worked very well. Sony put DRM on their CDs and it ended up making people's computers vulnerable to attack from viruses and hackers. The people who bought the music legitimately were having problems accessing and keeping their music - the ones who pirated had no issues.

There are big issues with a system that makes it really hard for people to do the right thing.

 
Posted by Tiara the Merch Girl on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 1:26 PM
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Stephanie
Stephanie Sheard

 
very true darren i totally agree with you ,i know music stores are dying because of the net ,downloads etc ,one day there be no music stores which i think will be traggic ,coz i like to go to a store and buy my fav.....album etc now you can hardly get them umless u get in downloaded online its not the same ,lets hope the music industry is saved im with u on that one darren hugs to u xxxxxx
 
Posted by Stephanie on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:50 AM
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sugarthriller

 
I understand what you are saying, and I learned a lot from the post.  I will confess that  I have downloaded an album off a file sharing site before.  But, after I witnesses how hard musicians work to make albums, I don't feel right doing that. It's not right.  I think a CD can be really affordable, like 10 to 20 dollars. It's not that expensive. I would rather buy a copy off of amazing before I do that these days.  I know some friends who download it from file sharing sites, but I don't, not anymore. 
 
Posted by sugarthriller on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:55 AM
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Ulrica

 
..Hey Darren!
Im still one of those who love stepping into a record store and buy my fav music. Sometimes I order my cds over the net, but I never load it down, cus I want the real thing!
And I think its so sad that all those nice recordstores are closeing, its the same here in Sweden.
If theres a petition for reopening records stores-Ill be the first to sign!
Keep up the great work Darren!!..
 
Posted by Ulrica on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 6:59 AM
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* Brooke*
Billie Jean

 
..wow this has really made me wake up to what is happening to the music industry.....thankyou so much for making me realise this.....it is a sad thing to be happening and is something that shouldn't be happening.
after reading this i have definataly decided to change my ways as the music industry is such an important industry and doesn't deserve to dissapear.
thankyou so much :D..
 
Posted by * Brooke* on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:00 AM
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Courtney

 
I know I was shocked when they shutdown the Virgin store in Burbank.  At first it was closed because of heavy rains, and part of the roof collapsed.  Instead of fixing it and opening the store back up, they just kept it closed; now it is just another clothing store; because all we need in LA is another clothing store.  I used to love going in there and walking around, seeing what was out, what was new, what I had never heard before.  Going to the record store (it was always funny to me that [at least I did] people would still call it a record store, even though what was mainly sold were CDs) for me was like going to the bookstore, which I absolutely love doing.  What is going on with the music industry, is almost the same of what is going on in the publishing industry in regards to books.  With Google attempting their massive plan to acquire all writings, there are going to be major copyright infringements; and authors, what meager royalties they get already, are going to get even more screwed.  Though the thoughts are in the right place, the execution of the plan was not done very well.  A good portion of the general population always seem to think they are entitled to certain things, and then go off and try to get it, without realizing at what cost.  Getting free music--at what cost?  The quality of recordings go down, people lose jobs, the industry standard starts to tank. Like everything else in life, a balance has to be struck; that fine line between what is "entitled" or deserved and what is better for the larger population, the bigger picture, if you will, has to be walked.  Unfortunately, that line usually becomes lost between people taking up sides on the most extreme ends of the spectrum.
 
Posted by Courtney on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:01 AM
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Abhilash R Nair
abhilash nair

 
I agree with you. But then, rather then making people aware, can we really make people buy it rather than downloading?
Still there are people who prefer buying rather than downloading and also there are people who prefer downloading. we can't stop them.
Also there are places where we can't have access to the latest releases. So sometimes people have to rely on the pirated versions where original records are not available.

 
Posted by Abhilash R Nair on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:04 AM
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Graeme

 
I'm right with ya! It has to stop!

I still love going into HMV every Monday to check new releases. I've been beside myself with excitement over Whitney's new CD. I don't wanna download it from some random site! I want it in my hand, complete with pretty pictures ;-)

I give the nice man £10 and he lets me take it home to enjoy! I like it that way...............

PS: Shut up & get your new music out ;-) he he

xXx

 
Posted by Graeme on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:10 AM
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Tarabya
Tarabya Al-Eidan

 
I completely agree with you. I'm probably one of the few people left who still like to own records and buy the artist's music "legally" to enjoy his/her work... I feel that it's the best form of appreciation for all the hard work that went into making an album...
I can relate to an artist's suffering now more than ever because I'm a poet (~on the verge, almost!) and my work is worth a lot to me but I may end up "selling" my poems (which took a long time to write) for a very low price and that kills me, but it's just the ..price we pay.. to gain some fan-base and get noticed...

 
Posted by Tarabya on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:10 AM
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Kate
Kate O Keefe

 
Brilliantly said Darren.  Hopefully the message will get through one day...  Kate x
 
Posted by Kate on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:13 AM
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Belinda

 
..Woody's Music still exists. They still have the Savage Garden memorabilia on the walls. They still beat the heck out of HMV.
Rocking Horse still exists as well. (Was a shock to the system when KrispyKreme moved in across from them.) ........There is still a glimmer of hope.....Keep making beautiful music. 
Without the music, hope is gone. ..
 
Posted by Belinda on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:22 AM
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Marie

 
Well said!

 
Posted by Marie on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:36 AM
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Nathan Veshecco

 
Thank you
 
Posted by Nathan Veshecco on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:38 AM
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Peter
Peter Goebel

 
France just decided to do something. They have a new law, called Hadopi, which allows the government to close down ISP..s when people don..t accept copyrights etc. Hope other countries will follow!

 
Posted by Peter on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:41 AM
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戴伦·海斯CN

 
Change will come:)darren.
 
Posted by 戴伦·海斯CN on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:47 AM
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Psycholettuce
Liz Skingle

 
Absolutely.  I still pay for music although I'm dead broke.

Well done you for actually saying what so many other people must be thinking.  xxxx
 
Posted by Psycholettuce on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:50 AM
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Sharon
Sharon Bidwell

 
You're not ranting and it's not just music. I write ebooks and even many famous books are now going digital. Even printed books get scanned in and sold by piracy sites. Okay, there will always be crooks but what drives me crazy are the readers who think file sharing isn't piracy. Seriously, we've heard comments such as they are 'lending' a book in their library. What escapes their notice is that you cannot lend anything digital without 'copying' it and it's the copying of it that is illegal. As I said in a blog not so long ago, file sharing is not a library. If you're not a publisher and have not signed a contract with the writer, you do not have the right to sell their work. Neither can you give it away. No one is friends with thousands of strangers online that they simply 'must' lend their books/music to. You buy it, you have the right to read it or listen to it for your own pleasure, that is all. I detest file sharing sites. There's equally the mistaken belief all writers are rich and famous overnight. The truth is most have a full-time job as well as the writing job and many print books don't even sell 500 copies of which the author gets 8% of whatever the book sells for (so if it's on sale it can be less than the cover price). Many authors I know write for the pleasure of it because they sure aren't making money. If money was the issue many wouldn't bother. The danger is that artists will end up making so little they'll end up keeping their creativity to themselves.

 
Posted by Sharon on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:58 AM
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JoySurrender

 
Being a writer myself, you took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you so much for saying something that had to be said, because I sometimes think we authors are the forgotten side of art ;-)

 
Posted by JoySurrender on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 4:38 PM
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Mamie

 
Everything flows, everything changes. The main thing is to realise and stop before it was too late. Darren, I like your line of reasoning. Very clearly and competently. I'm at one with you and I hope your rent will awake an echo in people's mind. xM
 
Posted by Mamie on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:58 AM
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C@R7iiTo$DJ (((Chimeo)))
TheMexicanboywhö Loves Erasure

 
....I'm a person who really loves to have original records or cd's on my own...I do spend good money on my music cause I really love music and I don't have any problem spending money on good music cause I want to keep good music and my fav. artists alive....please ppl around the world...we have to support the record companies buying music not making downloads for free unless the record company give any authorization for doing that.......LONG LIFE TO THE MUSIC INDUSTRIEEEEE!!!!!....
 
Posted by C@R7iiTo$DJ (((Chimeo))) on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:07 AM
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Stephen

 
..Love you man but your perspective here seems a little narrow.....Seriously you think any goverment can stop file sharing???....You are being way naive.....Things change, situations evolve and obviously not everyone will be happy with the changes but the file sharing things is a natural evolution that was unavoidable.....The problem nowadays is QUALITY. The "artists" out there lack quality. They just wanna be famous (not everyone but many) have limos and appear on MTV.....You think artists are getting poor? Let..s mention the million dollar contracts offered to the Mariah..s and the Whitneys. ....What about the recently 60 million dollars earned by the very untalented Britney Spears? and the millions MJ state has made over the last 3 months ON RECORD SALES ALONE???? So who is becoming poorer???....Whoc an seriously expect people struggling to pay their freaking medication be ready to pay top dollar for one album with 2 decent songs and 10 crappy fillers? No way, that is stealing FROM THE RECORD LABEL and THE ARTISTS.....File sharing onlyd emands higher quality,you are good or you die as smple as it is.....Is it cruel? yes but people are not going to stop exchanging when there i no quality.....I know A LOT of people who still buy records, but now we know there is an option and they will only choose a freaking good record.....I mean seriously, the CEOS of record labels live in absolutely ridiculous luxories, the artists spend 4 thousand dollars in a purse or a logo for their car and someone out there expects people to say: But wait maybe Diddy will be less rich if I don..t send this stupid song to my friend? Yeah, maybe he won..t buy a gold made cane, maybe it will just be a silver one LOL..
 
Posted by Stephen on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:14 AM
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Amy Free
Amy Griego

 
D: I'm sorry... I feel bad. I download a lot of music... Some of yours too, I'm ashamed to say (Nothing by Savage Garden though, I have the cds). Hearing it from one of my favorite artists is especially disheartening. Music is so expensive though, and I'm broke. I guess it's more of an instant gratification thing, instead of waiting for the money. No one likes paying for music if they know they can get it for free, especially when it's only a few songs off the album. I hate to say it, but even without people downloading music for free, the cd is a dying thing. The mp3 is the new thing, just like cds took over for cassettes, and cassettes and cds for vinyl. I think I'm rambling now, but from now on I will try to buy a cd or at least buy the mp3 version instead of getting it for free.
 
Posted by Amy Free on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:14 AM
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ʈɦɛ ɑʃƿɦɑ ȣ ʈɦɛ ʘɱɛɡɑϞ
Faye Latio

 
A lot of the people I know who "steal" music aren't doing it because they can't afford to buy a CD. There are too many companies who make one or two good songs for a group, or maybe the group writes them [which seems rather rare nowadays] and the rest of the album is just "filler" so they can quickly get it on the shelves and make money. If an entire album is worth buying, I'm all for it, but when these companies try to press out albums for a dime a dozen and expect the public to pay full price for essentially a couple of fluffed up singles that's where I stop blaming the music theft and start focusing back on the corporations.
I do my best to buy albums worth buying, but so few artists put stock into an entire project anymore it's almost not worth it, which is why I haven't updated my music library in years... just hasn't been worth it.

In an attempt to quell this outbreak of piracy some companies make it so CDs can't be burned, ripped, or copied without making it so that you can only use one specific obscure program to listen to the music. Well that's fine and dandy, but in this age of mp3 players and portable sound, we're limited to the means of enjoying those songs. The last time I bought an album with such "protection" I ended up having to download the songs anyway just so I could listen to it outside of my house. I paid for the album in full and just asked that I be able to fully enjoy it as I did any other one I had purchased: mixed into playlists and carried around with me at all times.

Why does no one blame the rewritable disc companies? Would it be that hard to point a finger or two at them, since they make it easy to copy everything and hand it to a friend, who hands it to another friend, and so on? Even without internet, which we've all had to live without at some point, you can still rather easily distribute media on the street. The numbers may not be as huge, but it's still money being taken away from the companies.
But even then, as it's so easy to scratch a CD, rewritable discs ensure a fresh copy on hand at all times to keep damage from becoming too bad and turning the CD into nothing more than an expensive coaster.

There really isn't any way to win this war, especially during this time when the economy is so bad. People will always be jealous that celebrities have the money and they don't, so they'll do what they can to "screw" them out of every dime, thinking it's fair... when it's not.
I'm sorry things turned out this way. Maybe one day supplier and demander will live together in harmony, but that's up there with Miss America speeches and perfect genie wishes at this moment in time.

 
Posted by ʈɦɛ ɑʃƿɦɑ ȣ ʈɦɛ ʘɱɛɡɑϞ on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:22 AM
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Jeff Reys, Officially

 
Frankly, I'm selfish.  If I spend dollars on a legitimate domestic or import CD then I have no incentive to share music I paid for to somebody who didn't spend any money for it.  I paid for mine, you pay for yours.  And as far as downloading free music, unless it's also legit from the label or artist, I have no interest in finding it on sharing sites.  Like sex, I'd rather be safe & not risk the chance to aquire a virus.  iTunes & Amazon are one thing, Napster & the other u2u sites are completely out of the question.  Of course, I grew up at a time when buying a vinyl album or single with groovy artwork was fun.  Staring at a one dimensional thumnail photograph & pushing keys to hear music just isn't as thrilling.

 
Posted by Jeff Reys, Officially on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:25 AM
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Music Is My Anodyne™

 
Someone up there wrote:  "Also there are places where we can't have access to the latest releases. So sometimes people have to rely on the pirated versions where original records are not available." 

WTF!!!!!!  Exactly what you are talking about----the idea that you are ENTITLED to someone else's property!  A couple of years ago, Darren, I was desperate ---*DESPERATE* --- to acquire your "Where You Wanted To Be".  I'm in the U.S. and could not acquire this for less than $65, on a CD with 4 songs on it.  Not that you're not worth $65--you are--but I didn't HAVE it for ONE song.  Still, I refused, refused, refused to steal it from you or whatever label produced that.  Someone offered to "get" it for me and email it.  I still turned that down---as impossible as it was, I really just wanted to BUY THE DAMN THING.  It comes down to people either having the honor and the character to pay for it, or they do not and they steal it.  They can call themselves fans;  they are thieves and I think it's worth jail time; stealing is stealing is stealing. 

Incidentally, Tracy at your fan club helped me properly acquire that CD--and I am forever grateful for that.  Eventually, I would have found and spent the $65 for ONE SONG, I was (am) that in love with it.  So I suppose that's what music is worth to me. RANT AWAY, pirating will eventually just steal us right out of the possibility of having that thing we love but which does not, in the end, "belong" to us. High-five or fist-bump, or whatever.  

 
Posted by Music Is My Anodyne™ on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:26 AM
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Caroline

 
I was only saying the other day about what happened to going and buying music from music stores thats because they are slowly disappering and you can get it online now, but where is the fun in that. And as for file sharing I think peolpe need to have the music as soon as they hear it, and they will do anything to get it even if it means they are getting it for free, but it's sad that they don't even stop for 1 minute to think about how much it affects the music industry, the artist and how much they have paid out to make the music along with their time and effort. So here's hoping the Goverment do something about it.

Thanks for the rant Darren.
x ..
 
Posted by Caroline on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:29 AM
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ArionAngel

 
..You're right Darren,

  but you know famous singers & bands's albums & singles often cost really much and people who bought them,sometimes neither find songs's lyrics in their card booklet(it happened to me several times);I know music industry and all the music artists suffer from it,but this phenomenon gets increased because of the world economic crisis.

I think we should get to a compromise,a way to get out of it;I love music more than my life,I sing as much as I can get free time from studying and I wrote two songs of mine and I realize how much you must dedicate yourself and your life to it,if you want it to pay you off,so you must do lot of sacrifices,about yourself and your "pocket";but I believe famous artists like you,should say to their music record companies to get the released work'prices lower and the final product full of quality in every single point of view,so ..people can get really what they want completely.. and satisfied of how they spent their own money,they will surely buy the next original released work....

but don't hate me,I use to say what I believe ^^


I always wish you luck with your musical work and not only,Darren:you're really a music master!

Anna x Boyzone..
 
Posted by ArionAngel on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:36 AM
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Trouble

 
....This is what happens when people refuse to pay over the odds for CD’s and technology moves so quickly.  It’s the same with all things, house prices for example.  Commodities can only rise so high before taking a tumble........... ..........It bothers me when people complain about sharing files.  It’s been done forever in other areas of media.  Recording songs off the radio, programmes on television, bootlegs.  All illegal.  People look for loop holes in the law and challenge the rules........... ..........It’s a shame that music stores on the high streets are closing down, it was a shame when independent music shops died out because the large multinational companies took over.  It’s a shame that media law hasn’t yet caught up to the fast pace of technology........... ..........The truth is you can make a decent recording in a reasonable home studio for little money.  It’s the mega corporations that take it to the next level by spending millions trying to convince us to buy into a dream.  It’s all about making money and nothing to do with the music.  Would it really be such a loss if that all disappeared?  Of course it never will as there’s far too much money to be made.  All mega success in the music industry comes down to money in the end and most of us buy into it.....
 
Posted by Trouble on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:41 AM
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Izzy

 
..You totally nailed the problem here.....My brother used to make music, he had to stop cus it was becoming too expensive, unaffordable and as no one was interested anymore in prducing someone that was immediately saleable in other ways than by their product, so he gave up, just making few coins out of live performance of covers of now immortalized artists.
Once upon a time I used to save so I could buy music, I still do, I like to have my own cd, with the cover and the thanks and the credits and the lyrics and pictures... not just the sound.

On an honest point of view, I could have never been able to afford all the music I can enjoy now if I had to pay for all of it, I am guilty as charged of having downloaded music when it was offered for free.
I suppose that if there wasn't the problem that free music access has the internet created, the CDs could possibly come cheaper and I could maybe afford more than I can now.
But I would not expect to get a car for free, so why do we expect to get music? I don't know, maybe cus it is there, there is no law or control over it, and we would probably do the same if there wasn't any control over other goods. What it is needed is a better regulation, and a harsher punishment for who breaks the laws. But then again, here in england would hardly make a difference, child murderers walk free and live at tax payers expenses after few years in very cuscioned prisons, do you really believe the are gonna bother with spending money and energy in protecting music when they don't even protect kids?

I feel your pain and anger D, I really do, but I am very disillusioned of what this world has become.

X..
 
Posted by Izzy on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:46 AM
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Born To Hand Jive Baby!

 
..sad isnt it? i always pay for my music Big D.
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Posted by Born To Hand Jive Baby! on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:47 AM
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Philip

 
......I still buy records, but I think it’s important to point out that many artists have a very different view of file-sharing. Most musicians out there have never made much money from record sales and have never had a lot of money thrown at them by record labels. Instead they have made their money from live performance – an area that has thrived off the back of file-sharing, as people are introduced to artists they would otherwise never have heard under the ‘old’ system................... ..............I appreciate that it’s a complex area but hammering home the idea of ‘file-sharing bad, buying cds good’ helps no-one. Like it or not file-sharing is here to stay and the music industry needs to get creative in dealing with it and stop trying to put the cork back in the bottle...........
 
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:47 AM
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Tiara the Merch Girl
Tiara MerchGirl

 
+1

 
Posted by Tiara the Merch Girl on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:16 PM
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Trouble

 
Really well put Philip.
 
Posted by Trouble on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:01 AM
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Syntium

 
I have to be honest with you... I did download  The tension and the spark, and Spin. But I liked them so much, I went out and bought the real cd's (Spin limited edition even =). My point being, if I hadn't been able to download, I'd never would have gotten to listen to that wonderful music of yours. So maybe filesharing isn't ALL bad. It makes me discover new artists that if I really like I will go and buy the cd (if I can get a hold of it, that is). And if I don't like it, I delete it. But as for your music, it's a sure thing, I will buy the cd because I know it will be great. But it's hard if you've only heard 1 or 2 songs on the radio to know if it's great and spend lots of cash to find out that: Oops, I only liked one other song! Then you feel ripped off. So I am very careful with buying new cd's. Spotify is a great invention for finding new music and then go buy it (hint ;) /rant

 
Posted by Syntium on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:48 AM
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katiejackson
Katarzyna Kuc

 
that's what I love about you Darren. you always voice your mind and you're not afraid of saiyn things. to be totally honest.. people who download music of their'fav' artist dont really love or respect him. or maybe they could just love them more. when I heard about your 'Time machine tour' dvd i was lie - 'i've got to get it!' .. in my super cool country that was impossible so I ordered it and waited for this masterpiece to arrive to me from England. totally worth it. Your music is worth the world to me. Seriously. I respect all my artists thats why I save money to make sure I dont steal from them. love!
 
Posted by katiejackson on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:48 AM
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Aubrey Kay

 
indeed!! i fully agree!! i bitch and complain about it all the time but no one cares. i buy every single song, album and video i love and own. people laugh at me!! can you believe that? but i tell them, the artists deserve the money. and look at music today!! most of the new music released today is cheap garbage, just people trying to make a buck. but are they even making a buck? OY!! i wish we could go back to a time when people had more respect for other people. nobody wants to do anything but live the easy life, stealing and mooching off everyone else while they sit on their asses doing nothing!! grrr. people have so much respect for death; michael jackson's record sales skyrocketed when he died; but we need to have more respect for life! life only happens once, death is forever
 
Posted by Aubrey Kay on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:54 AM
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'CASEY!'

 
..Good post darren, the way i go about getting my music is buying the cd, i cant download illegally, or even legally, cos theres nothing like having the actual cd, covers, books, case in your hand when you buy it. :) ..
 
Posted by 'CASEY!' on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 8:55 AM
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J.T

 
So true.  I always feel I'll be the last person on earth still buying CDs.  I also feel that if I ever got an MP3 player I would be tempted into this "free" music world.  So I stick with my CD players.  Thanks for sharing an insiders perspective.
 
Posted by J.T on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:00 AM
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Karl

 
Darren!!! I work in fortitude valley at the last standing music store " The Music Shop" on brunswick street, every shift I am more and more depressed at how dead we are and that we are now about to close down for good. I am an avid fighter for "the music" , My boyfriend is a music producer and he is feeling the blow of it also. I also have always brought music and movies even when i am down to my last cent, so how anyone cannot spend money like music, is beyond me and it always has been. ..
....Thank you sooo much for giving the world those words!!!! You are more than right!!! ....
....Us music supporters will fight till the end to make this right and get the entire music experience back in shape. ....
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....Loads Of Love xxx....Karl P..
 
Posted by Karl on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:08 AM
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Pauline
Pauline Emerson

 
It will be an extremely sad day if/when physical albums disappear, to me having that album, the brilliant front cover artwork, words/photos or more inside is something extremely special.
 
Posted by Pauline on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:13 AM
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Mary

 
Kudos, Darren. Very well said.
(If it makes you feel any better at all, I think I have purchased at least 50 CDs of your music over the past 10 years (at least a half a dozen of those are copies of the original Savage Garden album from different countries)... and I will keep buying more, because I want you to be able to keep making music forever!)

 
Posted by Mary on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:33 AM
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Martin

 
..I agree totally Darren that quality of album recording via studio recording should be the business model for artists. Even indie studios need album sales. We all bought "This Delicate Thing" - in fact I have not bought another album since then. I don't download music. I try to support artists. I don't know how Sony BMG etc make money obviously not from record sales, something else.....
Just checked and a rough version of the tribute with Janet at the end was posted one day ago on YouTube. Here it is to link to - ..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvBLTso4O4I....
 
Posted by Martin on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:47 AM
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gigs 'n reviews
Jacqui Rogers

 
..I totally agree with you Darren. The whole industry is going downhill fast! I couldn't tell you how many times Sanity doesn't have the album I've wanted (including Tension and The Spark). Most radio stations play the same old songs from particular artists so we don't hear new stuff and these artists suffer from this.

Also with Idol, the natural progression of artists doesn't get noticed by record companies. They want to make popstars quickly so they can make a quick buck.

I don't know what we can do about illegal downloads. Wouldn't it be cool if Microsoft and Apple joined forces to come up with a solution?

Thanks for your thoughts, ....Love & Peace, ....Jacqui ......www.gigsnreviews.com....
 
Posted by gigs 'n reviews on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 9:47 AM
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lynne
lynne powell

 
I love it when you rant,you always make so much sense.xxxx
 
Posted by lynne on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 10:05 AM
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Gemmadh

 
I agree Darren, the music industry is indeed suffering because people don't want to pay for something that they think they should get for free, when in fact people like you and other good artists have put blood, sweat and tears and usually a lot of time and money into recording a great record and it's you that is being stolen from aswell as the record companies. People seem to think that if it's on a file hosting site then it's free, when in reality a lot of people are losing jobs because of this, from the top at the studios to the record stores on the high street :(

Thanx for the rant Darren

Big love
Gemma xx

 
Posted by Gemmadh on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 10:19 AM
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Sallyella

 
Sadly this is a vicious circle. The more people download, the less music is stocked in store. The less music stocked in store, the more people download. I am guilty of this; if the CD shop hasn't got my album I've waited months to be released, I will download it. As soon as I can get a hard copy, I will pay for it, but it is definitely becoming harder for me to find music in hard copy form now.

I would like to point out that Virgin went under not because it wasn't selling anymore, but because their stocking company crashed with the repression. It happened to a lot of other shops too, not to do with music. Whittards, a tea shop, went under also.

x x x

 
Posted by Sallyella on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 10:26 AM
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Carolyn

 
Lets hope its something that can be dealt with before its too late. Don't know why people don't want to pay for music, nothing like having your own CD in your hands. The thought of no music is sooo sad:(  xxx

 
Posted by Carolyn on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 10:46 AM
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Trina & Crystal

 
So much music is digital now. I mean people paying for it legally as well. 99 cent a download or you can sign up to a service and have unlimited downloads for so much a month. That added to the death of the music industry.

 
Posted by Trina & Crystal on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 10:49 AM
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