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Saturday, November 25, 2006 

Current mood:  contemplative
Category: Religion and Philosophy
Krishnamurti, J. (2000), The Awakening of Intelligence, Penguin Books, India



pg. 214-217



The past in you is your tradition, the books that you have read, the racial inheritance as the Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian, and all the rest of it, and the culture in which you have lived, the temples, the beliefs that have been handed down from generation to generation. This constitutes the propaganda to which you have been subjected, your propaganda; you are the slaves to the propaganda for five thousand years. And the Christian is a slave to propaganda of two thousand years. He believes in Jesus Christ and you believe in Krishna, or whatever you do believe in, as the Communist believes in something else. We are the result of propaganda. Do you realise what this means? .. words, the influence of others; so there is nothing whatsoever original. And to find out the origin of anything we must have order. Order that can only come about when there is the cessation of total disorder in oneself. Because all of us, at least those who are even a little serious, thoughtful and earnest, must have asked whether there is anything sacred at all, anything holy. Of course the answer is that the temple, the mosque, or the church is not holy, is not sacred, nor the images therein.

I do not know if you have experimented with yourself. Take a piece of stick, put it on the mantelpiece and every day put a flower in front of it- give it a flower- put in front of it a flower and repeat some words- "Coca-cola", "Amen", "Om", it doesn't matter what word- any word you like .. listen, don't laugh it off .. do it and you will find out. If you do it, after a month you will see how holy it has become. You have identified yourself with that stick, with that piece of idea and you have made it into something sacred, holy. But it is not. You have given it a sense of holiness out of your fear, out of constant habit of this tradition, giving yourself over, surrendering yourself to something, which you consider holy. The image in the temple is no more holy than a piece of rock by the roadside. So it is very important to find out what is really sacred, what is really holy, if there is such a thing at all.

You know, man has spoken of this throughout centuries, seeking something that is imperishable, that is not created by the mind, that is holy in itself, something that is never touched by the past. Man is always seeking that. And man, seeking that, not finding it, has invented religion, organised belief. A serious man has to find out, not through some rock, temple or idea, but he has to find what is really, truly, everlastingly sacred. If you cannot find it, you will always be cruel, you will always be in conflict. And if you will, this evening, listen, perhaps you may come upon it, not through his statements, but you may come upon it when there is discipline through the understanding of disorder. When you watch, see what disorder is; the very seeing of disorder demands attention. Please do follow this. You know, for most of us, discipline is a drill, as it is for the soldier, drill, drill from morning until night so that there is nothing but slavery to a habit. And that is what we call discipline; suppression, control .. that is deadly, that is not discipline at all. Discipline is a living thing; it has its own beauty, its own freedom. And this discipline comes naturally, when you know how to look at a tree, how to look at the face of your wife, your husband, when you can see the beauty of a tree or a sunset. To see, to look at the sky, the glow of it, the beauty of the leaves against that glow, the orange colour, the depth of the colour, the swiftness of that colour .. see it! To see it you must give your whole attention to it. And to give your whole attention has its own discipline, you don't want any other discipline. So that thing, that attention is a living thing, moving and vital.

This attention itself is virtue. You need no other ethical standard, no morality (anyhow you have no morality, except on the one hand the morality that society which you have built tells you, and on the other hand what you want to do, and neither has anything whatsoever to do with virtue). Virtue is beauty and beauty is love, and without love you have no virtue and therefore no order. So again, if you have done it now, as the speaker is talking about it, looking at the sky with your whole being, that very act of looking has its own discipline and therefore its own virtue, its own order. Then the mind reaches the highest point of absolute order and therefore because it is absolutely orderly, it itself becomes the sacred. I do not know if you understand this. You know, when you love the tree, the bird, the light on the water, when you love your neighbour, your wife, without jealousy, that love has never been touch by hate, when there is that love, that love itself is sacred, you have no other thing that can be more so.

So there is the sacred thing, not in the things that man has put together, but which comes into being when man cuts himself off entirely from the past, which is memory. This does not mean that man becomes absent-minded, he must have memory in a certain direction, but that memory will be found to be part of this whole state in which there is no relation with the past. And that cessation of the past can only be when you see things as they are and come directly in contact with them .. to see things as you are in order to understand your world better.

Then out of this order, discipline, virtue, there comes into being love. Love is tremendously passionate and therefore acts immediately. It has no time interval between seeing and the doing. And when you have that love you can put away all your sacred books, all your gods. And you have to put away your sacred books, your gods, your everyday ambitions, to come upon that love. That is the only sacred thing there is. And to come upon it, goodness must flower. Goodness .. you understand, Sirs? ..goodness can only flower in freedom, not in tradition. The world needs change, you need tremendous revolution (not economic, Communist, bloody revolution that man has tried throughout history, that has only led him to more misery). But we do need fundamental, psychological, revolution, and this revolution is order. And order is peace; and this order, with its virtue and peace, can only come about when you come directly into contact with disorder in your daily life. Then out of that blossoms goodness and then there will be no seeking anymore. For that which is, is sacred.



Madras

14 January 1968
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By Jiddu Krishnamurti
Release date: 01 May, 1987
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David S

 
This really spoke to me. Thank you for posting this.
 
Posted by David S on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 3:28 PM
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Brannu

 
Very important message. Thanks for sharing...
 
Posted by Brannu on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 8:00 PM
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Saint Flatulous
Kevin OBrien

 
The Awakening of Intelligence is a very good book. I finished it last month. Jiddu Krishnamurti has blessed us with a library of though which rings as true today as when he communicated it originally, for it I am eternally grateful.
 
Posted by Saint Flatulous on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:39 PM
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Psychosis

 
thank you for putting into words what i could not express myself... brilliant
 
Posted by Psychosis on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 6:17 PM
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Whose Space???

 
DANNNNNGGG!
 
Posted by Whose Space??? on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 6:39 PM
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susan

 

thank you!


 
Posted by susan on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 8:38 PM
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Neil

 

Yeah... I couldn't have said it better myself. Really... Wow! That's... incredibe, to just have all of the information there like that in one shot! Hah, I mean, it's simply amazing!!

I've pretty much arrived at the same conclusions, or at least very similar ones, through my own life experience. I will thank you, for expounding on what I did not completely go into though. It looks like I didn't appreciate the beauty of Love and Order... Which may be the the only thing worth living for. Yeah... Nothing else matters to me. It never does...

Yeah... I am nihilistic, and this is worthy of my deepest attention while I am alive, now.

Thanks.


 
Posted by Neil on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 8:31 AM
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Paul

 
I apoligize for the late response ive taken a sort of stagnant stance on everything as well. However, I dont think I agree with the fact that we exist for no reason. Science can prove lots of things...or at least we think so. However, we have yet to explain why humans have so many emotions that other creatures do not.

I love feeling, even if not at the time I appreciate feelings most think of as horrible such as pain. I like to wake up and realize that I am alive. Why, because there is something special about us that allows us to be like this. I dont know what the hell it is or why the hell its there. But I know that it exists, I enjoy my life far too much to simply cast it all off as meaningless. Even if there is no afterlife, we must live with passion so that we can give such a great opportunity to future generations.

I agree with the author's points about a need for social change, however religion, philosophy, and other belief systems are important in helping people learn to condition themselves and their offspring.

"Life is not something pointless, its something beautiful and just being able to think and ponder our existance proves how intricate and meaningful we all are to ourselves, and to each other"

 
Posted by Paul on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 6:14 AM
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Thomas
Thomas Grimm

 

"from toy guns that spark

to flesh colored christs that glow in the dark

it's easy to see without looking too far

not much is really sacred"

                     bob dylan, it's alright ma


 
Posted by Thomas on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 2:32 PM
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SATAИ "Meiи иame ist Lucifeя"

 
that's what I've always thought but he could express it  thank you I'm gonna get that book right away!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by SATAИ "Meiи иame ist Lucifeя" on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 12:12 AM
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mirella
Mirella Cainero

 
<P>size=2><EM>please remain...</EM></P><P>size=2><EM>since i was a child i have read your words...now i am a woman i still read your words...you may not walk as a nomad any longer ...but your presence walks with me each moment...you are precious to me...</EM></P><P><EM>size=2>mirella</EM></P>
 
Posted by mirella on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 7:28 PM
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~Susana~ Dancevert.org.
Susana Weingarten

 
All you wrote is true...however......all the great tradition of mankind...the sacred one that is, and the real sacred and esoteric.....the path to enlightement and realization of Truth.....it just does not happen within or without or the do it myself way...the western contemporary consumerism way....it is clear to me and obvios and mainly true and REAL, taht the old, ancinet path of realization and old ancinet saying:

You are what you meditate is absolutely Real....and meditating on oneself like narcissus on the pond is an illusion...therefore , and also the old , ancinet saying, if you want to understand what you are doing here and what is your purpose in life, " Go to an Enlightened Being".....that is absolutely True.....the do it myself philosophy is allropaganda bs...

Thanks for your words anyhow...

Namasthe~
 
Posted by ~Susana~ Dancevert.org. on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 7:31 PM
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Krishnamurti
Jiddu Krishnamurti

 
If you trust in your heart, have faith in your actions, and have conviction in your instincts, are you not enlightened?
 
Posted by Krishnamurti on Friday, January 23, 2009 - 2:14 AM
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Dawn!

 
Do you type all these up yourself? Thank you for sharing this.
 
Posted by Dawn! on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 1:34 AM
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Anjali

 
Very effective. Thanks.
 
Posted by Anjali on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 4:32 PM
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marylouise

 
i think one intuitively becomes conscious of all the lies they are brainwashed to believe when they realise those "truths" do not fit them! The very core of their being seeks to be released...we are our past...we cannot know who we are without looking at that through a relative framework of compassion...and tolerance/ non judgement. As soon as ego disappers, the window opens, insight is gained and other truths surface. I have always "battled" walking the road less travelled yet as I grow older, I find many taking a similar sojourn like me...and that has given me hope that more are reaching for their real purpose and potential...:)
 
Posted by marylouise on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 1:20 PM
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Wise words indeed...
 
Posted by on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 10:19 AM
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