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Wednesday, April 02, 2008 

Category: Religion and Philosophy
The following is an excerpt from the author of Parenting Beyond Belief:

"In the Preface to this book, I said that I had ’set religion aside.’ Actually, that’s a bit like saying someone who rides a bike to work has set traffic aside. I’m still in it, still surrounded by it, and I always will be. Religion, for better or worse, is likely to be a permanent part of the human world. Our job as secular parents is not to work toward a religion-free world, but to help our kids learn to happily and peacefully co-exist with religion.


Co-existence does not mean silent acceptance of all consequences of religious belief. To the contrary: Silence and inaction in the face of dangerous immorality is itself immoral. We have to engage religious people and institutions in just the way we wish to be engaged ourselves, as co-participants in the world. We should reasonably but loudly protest the intolerance, ignorance, and fear that is born of religion while at the same time reasonably and loudly applauding religious people and institutions whenever charity, tolerance, empathy. honesty, and any of our other shared values are in evidence. An important part of this is recognizing that not all expressions of religion and not all religious people are alike. Be sure to help kids recognize that the loudest, most ignorant, and most intolerant religious adherents–whether raving radical Muslim clerics or raving radical Christian televangelists–do not represent all believers, nor even the majority. Though institutional religion itself is an unfortunate thing, the majority of individual believers are decent and throughtful epeople with whom we have more in common with than not. Saying that to yourself once in a while, and to your kids, can move the dialogue further forward that just about anything else.


The vision we should encourage in our children is not a world free of religion but one in which no idea or action is granted immunity from discussion and critique–including, of course, our own."


This is the view that I am leaning toward as I "relax" more into my atheism. Although a lot of atheists are of the opinion that we should eradicate religion from the face of the planet, I really don’t see it happening...especially not in my lifetime.


I believe that my position as an atheist is a strong one because of the evidence for our reality...I don’t see any evidence for a god...science seems to suggest a natural explanation for everything in our world.


A lot of atheists try to pin believers together under the "faith" umbrella: painting all believers just the same and just as bad as the next one because of the fact that they have a little faith...in this instance a belief without evidence.

But why can’t we give our fellow man the benefit of the doubt?

The REASON that the term FAITH even exists in sermons is because people of all beliefs DOUBT. But believers are constantly bombarded with personal experiences of "evidence." There are people who are constantly telling them their god exists, they have a personal relationship with this god (yes, WE know it’s in their minds but THEY don’t :)), many of them can give you first-hand accounts of WHY they believe in a god based on personal experiences.

It’s sort of like the tooth fairy. The tooth fairy doesn’t exist, but if you are a child who receives money under your pillow and your parents tell you the tooth fairy did it then who are you to question? You have evidence that a tooth was exchanged for money and you have the authority of your loving parents telling you what happened. Believers have constant reinforcement for their beliefs in a god.

Believers are our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, neighbors, friends, co-workers. They are our fellow man. We have to buy goods from them and sell goods to them, exchange favors with them. We have to co-exist with them.

Challenge them? Hell yes. But with the attitude that we shouldn’t have to exist with their beliefs? Hell no. It takes all kinds in this world. I’m hoping that eventually the we-will-kill-you-because-of-our-religious-belief types will be among the few and far between...but I’m not betting we’ll ever get rid of religion.

Perhaps this view might be unpopular with you right now, but I’m hoping you’ll change your mind.


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Phil of Silent Opera
Philip Hayden

 
Ta ... it is our failings as atheists to put forward the moral, logical and scientific teachings to unbrainwash the brainwashed.
 
Posted by Phil of Silent Opera on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 11:25 AM
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♰Queen Elisabeta Dracul Ţepeş♰ ®ø††
Elisabeta Tepes

 
I believe that all three of the Abrahamic faiths are the real problem. I believe they should go! I am with Sam Harris on that one--moderates only keep the cogs of the big wheels turning.

I say rid the world of these three. Other religions like Buddhism, et al, don't boast of gods nor threaten with hells. I have no problem with mysticsm.
 
Posted by ♰Queen Elisabeta Dracul Ţepeş♰ ®ø†† on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 5:59 AM
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Tazzio

 
however, by that very comment you have associated yourself with fundamentalists in my mind. It screams intolerance. How can we ever expect to enlighten the faithful with science if we try to force them out of existence? If we berate or insult them? It does nothing but create a fodder for their propaganda machine.
 
Posted by Tazzio on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 4:32 PM
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Posted by RationalAtheist.com on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 8:29 PM
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TrebleChef

 
If history has proven anything it is that we can not co-exist with religion. Belief in religion is counterproductive to LEARNING. Believing in fairy tales won't put us in the land of the fucking Jetson's.

I think religion should not only be abolished, but eradicated. Illegal. Completely barred from the government. Sound harsh? It sure does but that's how you get things done. They've been doing it for thousands of years. It's our turn. We should stand up and force our will upon them like they've been trying to do. Thousands of years. In every society, not just ours. All religion banned from the Earth. It is the only way we can better the human race and learn the secrets of the Universe. Unlike religion, we will be imposing our will for a GOOD CAUSE! Not an imaginary cause. Or a monetary cause. Or a pedophilic cause. A good cause, an Earth cause. A human cause. Sure, it may have been for a good cause...once. Long, long ago. Not anymore. Now we know better. There is no Santa Claus, there is no bogeyman in my closet, I won't go blind from masturbation, and there is no single being meddling in our affairs and granting our prayers. My eyes are wide open to the truth and they tear at the sight of people believing bullshit. We will not go much further as a human race if the people in charge believe an old man fit billions of species onto a wooden boat. It defies physics and physics is all. Physics is my god. I don't understand it, far from it, but I know it's there. It can proven. With physics. All by itself. It's just there waiting to be seen. Everything, just waiting. All those answers. Just imagine.
 
Posted by TrebleChef on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 1:05 AM
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Mitch

 
At least for myself as a Christian, here are a few thoughts;

1) I accept the reality that my beliefs are just that- beliefs, that there are claims made about things such as God which cannot be proven or disproven. (at least right now)

2) I do not feel that I blindly believe, but rather I grow and mature with my beliefs as I challenge them. By challenge my beliefs I mean to say that I question the process of canonization, I challenge historical research, etc.

3) I openly accept the reality of an existing doubt within me - but this doubt includes anything and everything. At times I have stronger faith and belief in my existence and purpose then others, but I have created within myself the discipline needed to be content with life, even should I find out that I am wrong.

4) I have found my beliefs in reason, not irrationality. I don't conform to the stereotyped televangelists models of "conversion" or any other dogma for that matter.

5) I also believe that everybody has beliefs - the question is simply "In what do they place their beliefs?"
 
Posted by Mitch on Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 5:14 AM
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Shore Bearer
Shore Bearer

 
Science has already disproven the bible. For a small example the bible says the world was created 6,000 years ago, fossils have been found that are over 480 million years old. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080109173812.htm

But my biggest problem with religion is the threat of violence. Just the other day a local church posted flyers on everyones' doors and in the flyer it says "If you do not believe and accept god as your savior you will go to hell."

So, this is what these people continue to not only tell complete strangers, but they tell their children these things at a very young age. It's not up to god to save the world, it's up to us. These people also form governments and think it's okay to use violence to make others do what they want. Just like the christians and the muslims, it's a fucking holy war. I have to pay taxes so that the christians can wage their war on the muslims, again, and if I don't pay the taxes to the christians then they will lock me up in prison or shoot me. What a crock of shit.

Government and religion both use the threat of force and violence and therefore true peace cannot be achieved if government or religion exist.
 
Posted by Shore Bearer on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 9:17 PM
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Sorenthia

 
Daniel Dennet has some very interesting comments on this topic. He doesnt want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. He wants to get rid of the problematic parts and keep the inspirational music, beautiful surroundings, and happy community gatherings. I think that would be rather nice, dont you?
 
Posted by Sorenthia on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 9:27 AM
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Comrade Andew Weit

 
I believe that State Atheism should be immediately imposed in all nations across the world. Our science is gaining ground by the day. Spaceflight (economical spaceflight) is becoming more of a possibility by the second. We need to first get rid of the mental illness that is affecting our society on a mass scale. The idea that we will go beyond our atmosphere with people who believe in such childish ideals really scares me. Yes, they are a large part of our population, but I believe that religion should be illegalized. The practice thereof punishable by jail time and be treated as a mental illness and cured accordingly. The teachings of religion (in a positive, causeless manner) should be treated the same as high treason and those who are guilty be jailed terminally (even in a few cases where they refuse to acknowledge the threat of their actions, more harsh ways of trying to crack their psychopathy). Together, we can create a society free from a majority of hatred, free from a majority of greed, free from a majority of problems. Together we can live un-restricted. Where the search for happiness isn't stifled by the hippocracy. Like all problems, it will get worse before it gets better. Like astronomy, it's always darkest before sunrise. The implementation of this would cause a huge, planet-wide problem. The effects would probably last a few years. However, it is a necessary step in protecting the future of reason. A necessary step in protecting the future generations from being lured into this self-affirming delusion, this virus. The sooner we start viewing religion as a virus of epidemic proportions, the sooner we can start to heal our self as a species and move on, create wonderfull works of archetecture, cure disease, fix the planet, explore space...

Religion will not die on it's own. It will not be "gently phased out". It will continue until we stand up, make a stand, beat the drums and reign in the new and long-lasting era, the New Galactic Era. No more will we be a small species on a small pale blue dot in the middle of nowhere. No more will we be at the mercy of statistics just waiting for an asteroid to slam into our planet, waiting for a global famine. We will do what we need to rightfully do as a species and control ourselves. "No Fate But What We Make For Ourselves..." -Sarah Conner, Terminator 2
 
Posted by Comrade Andew Weit on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 1:26 AM
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