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Saturday, March 08, 2008 

Current mood:  argumentative
Category: Music

This is an appeal to all our fellow hard working touring bands who are sick of getting screwed over. We must make a stand against pay to play gigs.

Pay to play gigs (for those of you who don't know) are were the promoters or venues ask each band who they book to pay a pre gig deposit that will only be returnable if the band manages to attract x amount of people.

We recently applied for a gig at a new venue in a town that we have never played in, we were told we would have to give them a £50 cheque before the gig which would be cashed if we failed to bring 20 people or cancelled within 6 weeks. Also they added that it shouldn't be a problem for any hard working band to do this. This really pissed me off, cos we are an extremely hard working band who play all over the country. Any unsigned touring band that is reading this will understand that it is not very easy to bring 20 people to a new venue in a city that you haven't played before. It seems to me that it shouldn't be the band's responsibility to bring in crowds to away gigs, after all , that's why we play out of towners, so we can play to new people. It surely should be a promoters job to attract people to their gigs. I reckon if these promoters are relying on out of town bands to bring them a crowd, it's probably not worth doing the gig anyway. If we continue to let these venues and promoters get away with it, expecting out of town bands to bring them crowds, less and less unsigned bands will play away gigs and music will become regionalised.

This is not about the amount of money that they want. It's more a matter of principal. I know £50 isn't that much when split between a band, but when you put it with petrol money, possible hotel stop overs etc. It's an unwanted extra expense.

So our brothers and sisters in bands all over the world. If you are confronted by a pay to play gig, say thanks but no thanks, and let's unite against it.

Rock n roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob D

 
unfortunately thats he way of the world.

Dublin castle did it to me a few times
 
Posted by Rob D on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 11:16 PM
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Phill

 
I'm new to promoting bands most of my experience has been in dj based nights but i've never heard of people charging bands dj's or artist to com and work as for trying to get bands to bring people that is somthing you hope for but the idea of promoting is the promotor try's to bring the people in. This all seems a bit back2front don't pay to play!!!!!
 
Posted by Phill on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 11:43 PM
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Spot on fellas.
 
Posted by on Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 1:47 AM
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LGM

 
Guys, I forgot to say when we booked the gig with you, can you post the cheque to...

seriously, we wouldn't go the pay to play way - we may try to get the local bands to get involved a bit with the promo, or put on a free coach to the venue for their mates, wags & stalkers which gives us a good night in takings if we can get it to about 50, but you're right mate - it's really down to the venue.

The last thing we want is to stop you guys doing your bit up & down the country, so it's all about the line ups - a good mix of out of town & local acts on the same bill should do the job.

Having said that - our place costs over 2 grand a week to break even...a few quiet nights & you feel the pressure.

Somewhere in the middle is a happy happy place...bands travel costs covered, both promote the gig, n a good night had by all.

See you guys in April,
Mark.
 
Posted by LGM on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 1:56 AM
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AKP - The Mission Is Terminated

 
Quite right, there's too many "promoters" out there who think just agreeing to let 4 bands play on their night is doing their job - it isn't. Promoters should do just that, promote the gig, generate interest and make people want to check it out. Most don't, because they're lazy and inept. Musicians should be able to concentrate on making music and playing it as well as they can, then a fanbase will grow if you're good - it ain't brain surgery. People who try and make a living out of other people's talent and hard work make me sick.
 
Posted by AKP - The Mission Is Terminated on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 8:16 AM
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THE TEMPUS

 
Yep agree totally. It's basically just lazy 'promoters' who think that simply booking the band is enough. It's ridiculous how many times promoters have told us to 'sort out the equipment with the other bands' too. That really pisses me off. It's their job and if they're not prepared to do it, they should be in a different line of work.

You guys sound good anyways. Good luck with everything.

The Tempus
 
Posted by THE TEMPUS on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 3:31 PM
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Coffee Artists

 
You what?, Never have I heard such bull C***... Expecting bands to pay them..

Boycot any venue that makes you pay any thing, What are they going to do if no bands play there apart from the desperate and crappy, It is expected that fair pay for bands and musicians is around £120 for 30-45 minuets minimum! this is like a basic wage, any thing under that is an insult! so says me a booking agent for bands and musicians : )
 
Posted by Coffee Artists on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 3:36 PM
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Andy

 
Man, i couldnt agree more!!
My band Audio Bomber have just been up to Scotland playing a few gigs, and at a place called the 13th Note in Glasgow we had a similiar problem.
We were told we had to pay the sound man £80 unless they took more than £140 at the bar in the cellar, and the money we got was from ticket sales (which we could charge as much as we wanted per ticket)
However, bearing in mind we had travelled all the way from our home town of Weymouth on the south coast, up to Scotland, so hardly anyone would have heard of us, and there is no guarantee that anyone would turn up, 13th Note had no security whatsoever, so if anything kicked off we would have to deal with it ourselves, there was no people to take the ticket money at the door and the guy at 13th Note who made the poster hadn't added the local support bands to the bill (so even though there was sposed to be 3 support bands, there was just us, an unknown band on a thursday night)
We worked out that even if 100 people came (which was about the capacity of the venue) after we split it with the other bands, were talking £100 per band, max (nobody's gona pay more than £5 to see an unknown band) and like you say, when you take out petrol money, hotel costs and food costs, thats nothing. So we politely declined!
You guys hit the nail on the head, Fuck pay to play!
 
Posted by Andy on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 3:59 PM
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Cottingham Springboard Festival

 
Pay to play gigs/venues/promoters, die very quickly and should. They are not in it for the music. Its as simple as that.
 
Posted by Cottingham Springboard Festival on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 12:07 PM
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