dunno bout settlin it in a ring, alot of rappers rap about bein harder than they r, plus i thort disses were meant 2 avert from violence, nyways id like 2 c live battles dun rather than on tracks, battlin each other wud b tru show who was better, who givesa shit if u cant box but can make amazin tracks, they 2 different worlds, mind u beef is in hip hop 2much ppl need 2 get on with it
 

Agreed. But this is 2007, and People don't think like that anymore. That would be a nice way to settle a feud or just make mix tapes, shirts, and logos so that people who want to hear what you have to say about the other rapper will buy your products. There doesn't have to be a real determiner as long as beef can generate sales. ~Controversy Sells~.
 

Talk is cheap......
 

Despite the fact that would be a whole lot more entertaining, it would really do nothing to stop the hatred. Say for example, the old 50 vs Game beef. They might have settled thier fued, but some of the other G Unit dudes still hate. You mess with one and you mess with all of them. Thiers no such thing as a fair fight these days. This talk about losing ur life, yeah it gets boring, but it takes a real man / women to move past the bull shit and continue to do thier thing. Beef went from being a term of competition between artists to a term that stands for extream hate, negetivity and violent intent.
 

That's a good idea in theory, but look at the artist that you mentioned. Freddie Foxxx, Melle Mel, and Willie D, they're rappers from a different era in hip hop, where it helped to honestly be the type of individual who backed up your words, and even though all the guys mentioned where from hard scrabble upbringings, they never really perpetuated needless conflict, despite the fact that Willie D in particular is still one of the most "outspoken" rappers ever. Facts. 50 Cent will not even consider a boxing match with Game or anyone else for that matter, because he does'nt stand to gain anything financially from this. 50 Cent is a whore for industry, i.e. G Unit clothes, movies, and pushing Vitamin Water. Attempting to "squash beef" or prove himself in a fight with anyone just isn't profitable. I am in no way a fan of 50, Game, or most mainstream artists, and though I understand the business, I don't necessarily agree with it's practices. The bottom line is that what's truly lacking in rap music today, is artists who care about what they put out. Nobody cares about being skillful anymore. Magazines will call anyone an "artist" whether or not what they are honestly creative, and worse yet, the term "lyricist" is thrown around so loosely, that friggin Jim Jones is setting the standard, while better artist fall by the wayside, because they don't present all the said appealing things that are supposedly involved with being a rapper. I been doing this since 96,
and I've yet to recieve my iced out chain in the mail, along with my Rolls Royce, complete with voluptuous video ho to go with it...That's me tho. Peace, thanks for the post.
 

Because all these mainstream rappers are just fronters... they aint poppin nuttin.. underground is where it's always been at.. always will be at...
 

all the posturing is str8 bullshit, a lot of niggaz beef just to create dramma to sell records, whilst hip hop has always been a competative sport back in the day careers and reps were on da line, today it's more like Shawn Michaels vs Triple H in the WWE.

Another perspective I wanna throw up is when niggaz from same endz beef, example: right now i got beef wit sum pussy from my home town, it all starts over whos the best in town etc etc and quickly escalates to another level, that to me is real beef cos u actually know each otehr and a lot of the time it stems from b4 u rapped!!

Bottom Line
Beefing to sell records = corny

Beef cos upstart niggaz wnat the crown = the need to defend ur rep!
 

Beef is one of my favorite parts of hip hop...but i agree these shit ass imma shoot you threats just kind of depress me...theres nothing challenging about it anymore...intelligence is the fuck out the window...
 

Kudos 4 that one...

As long as peeps pay to hear us rappers will beef for no real reason, even if they are hollow victories... Hip Hop suffers

Heres an excerpt from one of the US' finest writers on the subject..

"Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only one question: When will I be blown up? Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat. He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid: and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed--love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, and victories without hope and worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands."

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/faulkner/faulkner.html
 

Problem with beef in hip hop now is nobody is creative anymore & it's way too common. It's just rapping different ways on how they'll kill the other person. Unoriginal, boring, cliche, and dumb. Years ago, back when hip hop wasn't on a spiral spinning toward hell, dudes used to bust out with low blows, sick lines, and hard hitting tracks, AND ACTUALLY HAD A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY before beefing with them lyrically. Now beef is more like the first step into publicity and becoming well known. Pick out a rapper, and fire the first shot, even if you don't got a problem with them.

"I'll kill you soon
I'm ill, Fuck you
Clap clap boom"

Bullshit.
 

I think If they actually do want to Duke it out...to let them.
But if they agree to keep beef on wax, and not out on the streets with weapons
then, just keep it lyrical.
Because remember...
Even Old school had its battle raps, and that shit was dope.
aka..
LL Cool J vs Cannabis
one of my favs...
peace.
 

You want ol'school think Kool Moe D vs. Busy B Starski. Get on stage and show who has the better skills lyric wise. No records. Get on stage and show and prove. Ask the ol'school cats how they laid it down. The Treacherous three had beef with The Furious Five, Everyone was gunnin for The Cold Crush. But it all played out on stage. No "I'm gonna shoot you" junk. And no "record rhymes". Strickly off the dome shit. Show you got skills. That's how you prove your rap superiority. My 2 cents.
 

I think most rappers are afraid of getting out witted in rap now adays. The last good beef was Jay-Z and NAS. Who won never mattered when it was all over cause they were good enough to save their careers. I think most rapppers are afraid to put it on the line and they get violent as a cop out. The Game and 50 was a good beef. Both of their careers are still good. If rappers would understand that a true fan will ride with you no matter what; then it's not really bad if someone gets you on the mic. There is always going to be somebody that has your number.
 

World leaders should fight one on one. As for Rappers fighting, even in a controlled environment, it perpetuates the already ignorant and viol perception of Rappers. It is an embarrassment and monumental shame that actual physical confrontation and DEATH can stem from Rap music. It reinforces the idea that Niggas can't do shit without being barbaric. Pop Stars and Rockers dis each other too but you don't see them stomping each other out at concerts or shooting at clubs. So no, no fighting. The shit is ridiculous as it is. Mcees used to battle back and forth endlessly across several songs with no physical confrontations and no mention of bodily harm in the record. Now we have people that can't even battle face to face with someone without taking a swing at them because they gettin they ass roasted. This is the dishonorable coward mentality of the Punk generation.

First off, before we even get to the "beefs" these rappers have, let's address their lyrical content. If your whole record is about the played-out subject of the dope game, and you really can't rhyme, chances are, yo wackass gone clash with other dumb muthafuckas who rely on elements outside of talent and creativity to gain attention. This is enough negativity for Rap music. Staging fights behind "Beef" will only further stain the music, and let's face it; that stain on the music also increases a negative outlook on Black people in general.

These dudes don't need "Beef". They need lyrics.
 

Its pretty much what alot of people on hear already said."beef" is pretty much a selling point to get the product out there in the stores and get heard on the radio.But the thing is is that theres no sign of it going away anytime soon because you got alot of people (particularally ones ive noticed in my community) that just completely buy into this and kind of just throw themselves into the artists' words knowing nothing of the circumstance from which he/or she is speaking.ITs kind of like that whole life copys art thing.in just that you got people looking for someone famous to forge their identity for them.So i guess my point being,as long as record executives and radio Djs and artist who can be bended and molded anyway the label sees fit knows there are people who will easily follow "whats in",then this is the corny shit mainstream labels will keep spewing out.
 

the only thing i feel needs to happen in hip hop is to just to clear the smoke. because it's so damn thick right now that no one is stepping up to do anything about it; they just throw more wood into the fire. and right about now, i think people in the game are finding stupid shit to beef about--prime example: that damn young scrape song talking about "bathin' ape niggas get stomped in the club" which, obviously, is aimed at pharrell, kanye, and their followers. why are you focused on what some other nigga is wearing? is it because he's pulling females and you aren't? it's just real ignorant in the industry right now, mainly because in most cases the art reflect on what type of person that is pushin' that type of stuff. peep the profile name. it's us hatin' on each other for some bullshit, and not to say that the people who sport them colorful hoodies are completely blameless, because they perpetuate alot of that shit too by having a smug attitude about what it is that they wear and talking down on the next man because he isn't rockin' the same thing. cut the bullshit. *sigh* but then again, drama sells, or gets the most attention. and mainly that's all these artists want.
 

i dont kno about the whole boxing thing... but id say let em cage fite!! nah jp lol... but on the real, the beef isnt even that serious. no1's really beefing anymore anyways... every1 is doing joint ventures, collaborations... it isnt even like ppl r dying or anything. it's just meaningless word play. i mean as far as 50 Cent is concerned... hes damn near beefin with every1 in the rap game. i mean if u wanna c whos the better MC than they shud battle on stage and free<myspace>style</myspace>. the diss records r good for humilating the guy with clever word play but if u cant say it 2 his face then where is the sportsmenship of it. then u got the dudes gettin at the legendary G.O.D.'s of rap and the G.O.A.T.'s like they're actually better. these are the same ppl who say that these legends inspired them 2 b better MCs. Jay and Lil' Weezy for example. Jay is a million times better then Weezy stil til this day. Weezy is no where near or ever will b the greatest rapper alive b/c he wreaks wakness and where in the world did he pop up as a good rapper. i remember wen he cudnt rap 4 nuttin and he wasnt sellin no records. i mean maybe im wrong but commerical hip-hop is so generic and its like these rappers r following a format. notthing is original anymore. if the only hip-hop on this earth was only wat was being played on terrestrial radio... id start my own genre... like, where has the soul-essense that hip-hop was built on have gone to?
 

Beef Keep It Interestin'...
 

I agree Fam I mean after that tournament Melle Mel sure dud respect Willie D. Any way I think the Beef Sh*t is definitely playing out. I mean the music is not good that's why I listen to early Hip hop joints and certain new kats. Any way I don't believe it will happen because somebody might get the sh*t beat out of em Like STicky Fingaz on MTV by that Rock And Roll Kat(Laughing)
 

So basically when something is industrialized, it goes downhill from there?
 

HIP-HOP IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!ITS DEAD I TELL YA
 

I agree with this.Music is a powerful force,and those serious should bring it to the ring.Face to face let the listeners decide.I remember when everybody was for everybody and HipHop was saying deep,but yet fun stuff not only to dance to,but to express ones love for people,music,growth,and especially life.Music can heal and change the world.Thanks just wanted to express no disrespect intended."Heal The World"Peace
 

I agree..they use their feud or whatever as source of their lyrics. if it wasn't for these stupid feuds i think most rappers would have nothing else to rap about. which is good in another way so they can finally shut up about being an O.G like that means shit. I would have my money on 50 though. Cause i think game is a joke. Even his material is a joke. I respect 50 cause he tries to keep that shit professional it looks like. Im a sick and tired of this rap up and coming artist talkin bout what hood and set they come from. THAT IS GETTING TIRESOME AND OLD. GET A GRIP OF REALITY BITCHEZ lmao.
 

modern day beef is nothing more than clever marketing, no matter what they say, most of the ppl involved have projects coming out and it helps them get into the spotlight at the right time
 

Beef ain't what it used to be.


When LL and Kool Moe Dee had beef, no one had to wonder if the other man was going to take a shot at your family, friends or loved ones.


Now you have beef and, 99.9% guarantted, that someone will die or get hurt as a result.


Now, beef is a joke!!! People go at each other for sales, for promotion, where's the love of hip hop?!



If hip hop died tomorrow, those beefing cats would be mad as a mofo!!!!



REAL MUSIC LIVES.........
 

Yeah they should organize boxing matches. I've been thinking that for a while now. Enough sh** talkin. Its time some rappers actually do something and back up their words. I can already see the excuses though: "Nah fu** boxing I don't fight I just bust my gun". Even though thats bullshit too. Half of em, excuse me, i mean 95% of em don't shoot nothin.

Pretty much all this rap beef stuff is all bullsh**. All they do is make diss songs about each other one after the other, each time saying they're gonna shoot, stab or kill the other n its all bullsh**. People are against violence in hip-hop; I'm all for it. If you wanna say that you're gonna shoot some other rapper, then do it. Otherwise if u don't, all u are is a sh** talker.

The last time there were two rappers beefin that were for real, 2pac and biggie, they both ended up dead. Thats half the reason everyone love them so much, because ppl know in their diss songs they weren't lying. They were talkin about killing each other n they both got killed. its obvious they werent lying.

Since then its been pretty much nothing BUT lies. If they weren't lying there'd be a whole lot more dead rappers. I wish some rapper just started goin wild n really handling his business. Then all the other sh** talkers would realise that its actually for real n all the bullsh** diss records would stop. Shyne gets outta jail in a few years hahaha, maybe everyone will shut their mouths then. From what I can tell he's the most real i've seen in a while. I mean he's in jail for shootin in a club. Maybe he'l get out n start going hectic lol.

Another thing, all being real means is telling the truth. Rappers like Kanye n Lupe are real. They don't talk tough crap in their songs because they know they don't do that stuff. Therefore, theyre not lying, therefore theyre real. Realer than some of these other rappers that say they kill ppl n rob ppl but really never done none of it.

And as for battle rap. That sh** is just as bad if not worse than all the diss songs. How can u hav some guy talk all this sh**, right to ur face (even call u a fag, bitch, ho, di** sucker whatever) and then all u do is talk some bullsh** back. Sorry but if u cop that then u cop di**. If someone talks like that to ur face, u punch em in the mouth - simple. If all u do is talk sh** back, then ur jst a pair of sh** talkers that really aren't about nothin.

Anyway (i got a bit carried away i know), I think boxing matches are the best idea out. Call up HBO n ESPN n whoever hahaha. Get some rappers fighting on undercards. We got plenty of openings coming up. Put some on the undercard of Margarito-Williams, or on undercard of Hopkins-Wright.
 

yeah most the rappers just do it for promo they ain't really with the fist to fist specially or that gun talk but the internet peeps that pop shit behind there computer screen thats what would be better to see lol
 

Yeah i agree.....

Straightners on live tv....

Good move, good influence.....leave the guns at home!!!!
 

People often aspire to make it big in the rap game as a way of disassociating themselves with the rawness of the streets, or at least, before hiphop gained universal recognition.
In my opinion, disses define a whole element of hiphop that is important; this genre of music is meant to be abrasive, and disses are one way of putting this into action. The only way to make a diss non-hypocrital and supporting the <i>true</i> essence of hiphop is to take the violent insinuations out of it, and instead of telling someone you're gonna 'pop a cap in their ass'. rip their <myspace>style</myspace>, their morals and their character to absoloute shreds. That is what makes a true diss, one that canNOT be defended. If one person says 'I'm gonna hit you' and the other one says 'Well I'll just hit you back', you have a never-ending cycle with no conclusion.
If you're gonna diss, DISS. Just make everything you say hold some weight too it, or you automatically lose.