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Wednesday, December 17, 2008 
 

I would've hated it if HP suddenly turned into ONLY romance and I'm a GIRL! I love romance, hence why I'm a shipper. But, you know what? Shippers make up a small portion of the total HP fandom. There are entire groups of people out there who don't give a shit. And you know what? That's fine. Because that's not the focus of HP.


Personally, I would love to have the emotional teaspoon of Ron's. It'd probably be a collectible. (Also, I think Ron is just one big raw emotional nerve…hence why the locket affected him more! Fancy that!).


Harry Potter is first, and foremost, about Harry's hero's journey and his defeat of Voldemort. Love is an element: familial love, romantic love, friendly love…but the plot is not about those things. It's not about "who will end up with whom." That's just a side thing. So, if she had developed it too much, then it wouldn't be Harry Potter and the Mysterious Object/Person. It would be Harry Potter and Hormones.


Jo didn't get "lazy." What kind of preposterous thinking is that?


And SMeyer hasn't "stolen" a damn thing from JKR. They are very different authors and for that, I am grateful. SMeyer can't write, she said so herself.


Proof of this: When Midnight Sun leaked, Smeyer stopped writing it. Why so sad panda bear? She obviously doesn't care about her creation nearly as much as you people say she does.


But then again, any person with a brain can read a critical review and know which books are better.


Anyway, I completely agree. Why even make them stay friends? What's the point?


And this here is why you have shipped the wrong couple based on no evidence. You don't understand relationships at all. Best friends are a great thing. If you can't see the point to that just because they are of the opposite sex, then you really don't deserve to ever have a friendship as deep as that.


 Even after every friggin thing that Hermione did for him; he had the nerve (or Jo had the nerve) to completely shut her out. How DARE he? How dare she for that matter!? I don't care how in love JK claims Hermione is with Ron and his laundry none of it was believable. Down right sickening.


You mean how in love Bella is with Charlie's dinner and Edwards sparkly skin?


So what you did right there by citing the one time Hermione did Ron's laundry is you are taking one moment out of seven years and using that to base an entire character point on. I don't think you deserve to read these books.

I don't see the point. Here comes another Twilight reference (I can't help myself you see.): At least Jacob and Bella remained friends throughout the entire series. Regardless of whether people agree on the shipping or not at least everything was consistent. Hermione was completely murdered--her character. Everything about her. She might as well have made her dye her hair red and straightened. I might be satisfied then--NOT! Heh.

So you are taking one moment in the entire series…at the end…when Hermione was with her kids, and saying she is not friends with Harry? *see above comment*


I may not hate her but I don't have to agree with the absolute absurdity of her thoughts and ideals.


Haha. WHAT? So, if they don't have sex, their friendship doesn't matter? Wow. Some twu wub you've got going on there. Lol They didn't talk for TWO FUCKING MINUTES WHEN SAYING GOODBYE TO THEIR CHILDREN UNTIL THE HOLIDAYS.  Parents worry about their kids before socializing. I'm sure they all went out for lunch afterwards before going to work.


Lol Harry and Hermione are still friends! This is a ridiculous premise!


Miz_delusional



Yeah, I think thewall28304 also said in an earlier post that the 'shipping wars' in Twilight aren't really wars. In some Twilight forums I visit, both j/b and e/b fans can talk comfortably with each other, debate comfortably with each other without tension and dislike. And there are b/e fans that understand j/b fans (like me) and respect them better than some r/h fans to h/hr fans and vice-verse.

Why? Because Stephanie tried to maintain contact between Bella and Jacob so, even if j/b fans were disappointed in Breaking Dawn, they weren't completely wounded because Jacob and Bella were still there for each other. Goodness, I would been a little happier if Hermione and Harry still displayed that strong friendship in the epilogue. And yes, Hermione's wonderful character went straight down the sink from book 6 for me. She became so OOC, I was beginning to get tired of her character and then seventh book, she just annoyed me in most parts. *sigh* So sad.


And Hermione and Harry weren't still there for each other? Your proof of this is where? Oh yeah, in that book you read that no one else can see.


Lol They've never spoken to a J/B fan. BD DOESN'T EXIST!


So, because Harry and Hermione didn't have a deep and meaningful conversation in the epilogue, they're no longer friends? Are you kidding me? Jesus, I guess my best friend and I are no longer friends. I mean, it's been a whole 3 hours since I talked to her!


Hermione's character "went straight down the sink from book 6" for you because that's when her feelings for Ron and his for her became obvious even to them. You're just butthurt about your ship. Don't claim anything different.

She's not butthurt, she's been book raped. Get it right!


Hermione Vs. Bella:


Hermione does what's best for her parents even if it hurts her after much thought.

Bella will give up ever seeing her parents again just so she can marry Edward without a second thought.


Hermione is smart and unafraid to show it.

Bella gives up school to marry Edward, and tries to refuse school when he insists.


Hermione chose a man, but didn't' make her move until he showed her he could love her the way she needs to be loved, but she never gave up on him.

Bella fell in love at first sight and didn't make Edward even apologize for leaving her.


Hermione finished school, got a job, and had children, even though Ron might not have wanted to be without her while she finished up school.

Bella gave up everything to be with Edward.


Hermione makes her own decisions, even if it upsets her friends.

Bella won't do anything to make Edward mad, unless of course she's desperate to hear his voice and decides to hallucinate.


Hermione chooses her friend over her love because her friend needed her more, and she paid for it with pain in silence.

Bella gives up everything to marry Edward, even when someone else needed her more.


But just because Hermione didn't hump Harry, Hermione is the one that sends a bad message to girls?
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mollywobbles
Katie White

 
Holy crap! This was certainly an epic one! lol

"Book raped" is the new "butthurt."

I'm giving us Kudos.
 
Posted by mollywobbles on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 6:00 AM
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Scott

 
When are these people going to understand universal themes?

Seriously this is a broken record and a horse that has been beaten to a bloody pulp and I know about beating a dead horse. First it was Dune stealing from Star Wars and Wheel of Time stealing from LotR and HP stealing from SW. Just a viscous cycle of people stealing from each other? OR authors playing to the same basic and common themes that exist since the begining of written word? Themes that cross cultures, that have been handed down from each generation and modern authors only mold them into their own vision.

I haven't read Twilight, mostly because unlike SMeyers I do like vampire stories lol. At any rate BElla doesn't sound anything like Hermione. Hermione finished school, Bella doesn't sound like she even likes it.

You know it's sad that these deluisonals don't realise that there ARE H/Hr's talking comfortably on Leaky and I'm sure in other places with R/Hr and H/G.

Also how old is Bella? I hear she has a child with Edward? *shakes head* That's just so wrong and on so many levels.
 
Posted by Scott on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 4:22 PM
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mollywobbles
Katie White

 
At the time they get married, she has the baby (for it gestates in mere days), and then gets changed into a vampire, Bella is 18, about to turn 19.

They met when she was 17.

Be glad you haven't picked them up. They're crack and the last one is like a bad trip.

And you're right...if you like vampire stories, it's not for you. Even the bad vamps still sparkle.
 
Posted by mollywobbles on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 6:33 PM
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Matthew
Matthew Oakley

 
I still find it hard to believe that people are still so upset about something so small and irrelevant after such a long time. It was a series of books about a boy wizard. Nothing more, nothing less. How on earth can you be book raped or stabbed through the heart or feel betrayed or all of the other overly melodramatic things that they say they are? All it shows is a total lack of perspective. Though I guess that being so melodramatic would explain why they prefer Twilight. That had overly melodramatic written all over it.

Why do they insist on comparing a primarily romantic series like Twilight with a totally non romantic series like Harry Potter? They are completely different genres. The idea that Harry Potter fans would have stood for a Twilight style romantic triangle is pure fantasy. If JKR had gone that route it would have led to a book returning exercise that would have made Breaking Dawn seem like a roaring success in comparison. Though by claiming that Twilight was more mature than Harry Potter, they are showing exactly how little they know about literature. Twilight is without a doubt the least mature book series that I've ever read and that includes a large number of children's series. Harry Potter leaves it miles behind in that regard.

The lack of character understanding is par for the course though, once again, how positively they compare Twilight to Harry Potter in that regard would have left me seriously doubting their sanity if I didn't already know that it's just their anti JKR bias talking. To claim that Bella is a more positive role model than Hermione is showing delusion of the worst kind. It makes it very clear to me that the only thing that they truly cared about with regard to Hermione was that she ended up with Harry. Once she ended up with Ron then she became fair game and they bashed her to hell. And yet they claim to be the ones supporting strong female role models. What a bunch of hypocrites. The worst of it is that Hermione was the best she'd been during the whole series in DH. She kicked ass. How anyone could read that book without realising that is beyond me. I guess the influence of the 'freckled satan' was too much for them to cope with and left them blind to everything else. As for Bella, all I can say is that I hated her from page one of Twilight until the last page of Breaking Dawn. A wetter, weaker and more whiny character I have never read. Anyone claiming that she is positive role model has to be insane. I would rather a girl have Paris Hilton as a role model than somebody like Bella.
 
Posted by Matthew on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 7:23 PM
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Canon Love

 
Lol! "Freckled Satan"
 
Posted by Canon Love on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:05 PM
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Matthew
Matthew Oakley

 
It's a term I've read many many times in various essays and wanks about the whole shipping debacle and it's always amused me. Especially when you consider how accurate an assessment it is of how Harmonians view Ron.
 
Posted by Matthew on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:17 PM
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Canon Love

 
I think I might have marred a "freckled Satan" tee hee.
 
Posted by Canon Love on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:28 PM
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mollywobbles
Katie White

 
Once again, you sum up all my ranting into concise and level headed words.
 
Posted by mollywobbles on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 9:42 PM
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Scott

 
*shocked* Whoa, Belle must really be bad, worse then the Marion Zimmer Bradley Guienivere that makes you want to gouge your eyes out?

For anyone to EVER want PAris as their daughter wow lol I'm glad I stayed away from the Twilight then. Spiderwick sounds MUCH better, and I've only seen the movie of that so far.

Hermione did kick ass in DH your damn right and she continued to do so through out her life. It would seem to me that Belle's life goal was to get married and knocked up ASAP. CAuse I'm pretty sure Ginny and Hermione were well into their 20's when they had kids. 18-19 is still a teen and thus Teen Pregnancy.

Don't even get me started on the whole "Vamps can walk in daylight, sparkle and have kids" to begin with. *rolls eyes* Oh and don't have fangs.......
 
Posted by Scott on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 7:31 PM
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Quotidias

 
My favorite part has to be when the Harmonians insist that somehow JKR "lost control" of her own characters and that's how all the unintended H/Hr moments snuck in the book. When JKR saw this, she had to "force" them back into her pre-planned roles for them, and that's why R/Hr doesn't ring true, H/G was written so badly, Ron took on Harry's characteristics in DH and Hermione became such a bitch in HBP.


Um, characters behave the way they do because the author WROTE THEM THAT WAY. The reader might not like it, but to say that JKR didn't have control over her characters, or didn't really know them, is just ridiculous.


I've been re-reading [i]The Name of the Rose[/i] by Umberto Eco, and in the edition I have is a postscript by the author discussing the title, why he placed his story in the Middle Ages, etc.
Here are a couple of snippets, which I think you'll enjoy, and fits right in, considering that we know JKR had mapped out the story years before most of the books were written, has notebooks full of information about the characters which never made it into the story, and therefore knew what was going to happen to all our favorite characters:

[quote]The writer (or painter or sculptor or composer) always knows what he is doing and how much it costs him. He knows he has to solve a problem...

When the author tells us he worked in a raptus of inspiration, he is lying. [i]Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration.
[/i]

Talking about a famous poem of his, I forget which, Lamartine said that it had come to him in a single flash, on a stormy night, in a forest. When he died, the manuscripts were found, with revisions and variants; and the poem proved to be the most "worked out" in all French literature.
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Eco then goes on a few pages later to discuss the fact that the writer "must first of all construct a world, furnished as much as possible, down to the slightest details" and how the writer goes about doing that. He then goes on to say...

[quote]The constructed world will then tell us how the story must proceed. Everyone asks me why my Jorge, with his name, suggests Borges, and why Borges is so wicked. But I cannot say. I wanted a blind man who guarded a library (it seemed a good narrative idea to me), and library plus blind man can only equal Borges, also because debts must be paid. ... But when I put Jorge in the library I did not yet know he was the murderer. He acted on his own, so to speak. And it must not be thought that this is an "idealistic" position, [b]as if I were saying that the characters have an autonomous life and the author, in a kind of trance, makes them behave as they themselves direct him. That kind of nonsense belongs in term papers.[/b] (bold is mine, not Eco's) The fact is that the characters are obliged to act according to the laws of the world in which they live. In other words, the narrator is the prisoner of his own premises.
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In short - the author creates the world, knows what's in that world, and controls the actions of the characters. I suspect that the above is way too intellectual and/or academic for the Harmonians to understand.

 
Posted by Quotidias on Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 3:23 AM
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Natsky

 
Oh serioulsy why dont people give up on this crap.
YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE 2 BOOKS!

Hermione and Bella are 1 DIFFERENT people. Gee if you dont like Twilight then stop frigging talking about it and comparing everything HP with it.


Just like you all told H/Hr shippers, if you don't like the end of the book etc just stop frigging reading or get over it.


Why don't you take some of your own advice people. MOVE ON, get over it, stop comparing things that shouldn't be compared....If Twilight and SM were so terrible at writing then how come SM managaed to do something that JK never managed to do with 7 books???
 
Posted by Natsky on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 1:43 PM
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Matthew
Matthew Oakley

 
'Oh serioulsy why dont people give up on this crap.

YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE 2 BOOKS!

Hermione and Bella are 1 DIFFERENT people. Gee if you dont like Twilight then stop frigging talking about it and comparing everything HP with it.
'

Why don't you tell your Harmonian pals that? They're the ones who started the comparison. And to honest I wouldn't have cared if they hadn't said such utterly stupid things. Making fun of people who say stupid things is something that I will always enjoy no matter what the subject matter.


'Just like you all told H/Hr shippers, if you don't like the end of the book etc just stop frigging reading or get over it.
'

lol. I have got over it. After reading the final abomination and writing a very unflattering review of it, I never gave Twilight another thought until I read the insanity contained in this thread and responded to it. And that was only the work of about five minutes. Not that there was anything to get over in the first place. I had no major emotional investment in the series. It was just a mildly entertaining book series that I read that had a final book that wasn't very good. Nothing more, nothing less. I certainly don't spend hours writing posts and essays about how terrible SM is or writing fanfiction about how the series should have ended or any of the countless things that your Harmonians pals do about a series they supposedly hate. To try to compare the two is quite simply laughable.


'If Twilight and SM were so terrible at writing then how come SM managaed to do something that JK never managed to do with 7 books???'

What are you talking about? What did SM do with Twilight that JKR never did with Harry Potter? Nothing springs immediately to mind. Unless of course you mean that SM ended her series with the worst book of the series (possibly one of the worst books of all time) and JKR ended hers with the best. If so, then you're probably right.

 
Posted by Matthew on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 7:15 PM
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mollywobbles
Katie White

 
If you didn't notice: we weren't the ones comparing them. We were simply responding to something I saw on Twilight Cornfield.
I wasn't even looking for it!

And what do you mean by "If Twilight and SM were so terrible at writing then how come SM managaed to do something that JK never managed to do with 7 books???"?

lol What? What's that exactly? A mass return of the final book?
 
Posted by mollywobbles on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 5:53 PM
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