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City: WEST ORANGE
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Sunday, May 28, 2006 

Current mood:  calm
OK, now that I've gotten your attention...
Of course, we all love this myspace thing, but boy, those ads...:^P
It saddens me that we think we need to go through these mating rituals--the pursed lips, the accentuation of private areas in (strange) clothing, adding all these adornments, toys, rituals, blah blah blah...no wonder people are so confused, so lonely.

I love the human body in its bare perfection. There is nothing on earth so glorious. And I trust it. I trust who made it. I love the one I'm in and the one I'm joined to. Both have done amazing things.

Sometimes for some stupid reason i watch those birth shows on TV. And invariably, they piss me off. I think there's a link, though. We don't trust our bodies to just make love, without a million external preambles, excuses, preparations.

Neither do we trust our bodies to carry and birth the result of that love. We hook ourselves up to machines, we give our bodies to "experts" (what a laugh), we are so grateful when they insert things in and drag things out. WTF? This is just like the current sex scene, which feels, well, like surgery! Either a sterile, medicalized event--or one where everything is ripped out of you, heart and soul and body.

What makes me even sadder is when people of faith give away both of these events--or start off with the first being so pure and lovely and memorable, only to think they "have to" give it over to the medical industry. Who invariably bungle the whole thing.

In my classes, I run a thread through the teaching that birth is just like sex. It's just another part of that cycle. A painful part sometimes, certainly an intense part, but, just like orgasm, it's an event that can open your eyes to a beautiful part of reality you never knew was there. If we were to think of birth as an intimate, loving event, it would change EVERYTHING. Especially our lives as couples and lovers, and our babies' lives. It would change how we see each other as human beings, i think.
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Jai Agnish

 
brilliant.
 
Posted by Jai Agnish on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 3:53 PM
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Vesper

 
Thanks, Jai. It means a lot, coming from a man especially.

 
Posted by Vesper on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 4:07 AM
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Jason
Jason Robinson

 
hrmm. jai is right.

i count myself among the "confused and lonely", regarding both sex and birth. maybe it's nice that i don't have to worry about the first just yet, or the second ever, except by proxy.

i do believe there can be beauty/hope/life afforded by sex, but that's as much a statement of faith as anything else in which i hope but do not see. the sex-messages i am bathed in day-in and -out are conflicting, and overwhelming, and to a great degree depressing. (thank-you, myspace advertisers).

in some way, the connecting-circle you draw around sex and birth offers me a lot of hope. it's easy for me to see that birth lived with passion&wisdom can be beautiful. sex, i'm more jaded about - but your comments are a reminder of the larger picture.

thank god both can be a richer experience than banner ads are able to offer.

~ j

 
Posted by Jason on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 6:27 AM
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Cathleen Riccobono

 
I just added you and your hubands music page...plan on adding yours as well if you dont mind.

I know what you mean about ppl handing there bodies over to so called "experts" for childbirth. I had a horrible experiance delivering my first child though I went on to have another...now im told if I have more I MUST have a c-section...its a little deeper then that but there has been a corrective surgery blah blah blah...my point being that I have no doubt in my mind that if I had a mid-wife and did things the way I originally wanted to I wouldnt have had this outcome. I am left dealing with  a "botched" delivery and with these "corrective" surgeries just so I can function normally...and it all could have been avoided if just one of those "experts" had cared enough about me and my child and looked at us as humans not a sceen they watch from another room....but i guess in the end i cant complain much since i did follow my doctors advice rather then following my own heart on where I should be delivering.

and with that, nice to meet you! lol

 
Posted by Granny Panties on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 8:05 AM
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Vesper

 
Cati,
All's not lost. You're not doomed to a life of poor care. Seek out a good midwife who is willing to listen and work with you to heal from your past trauma. SEnd me a private message. I'd love to talk to you more and help you move toward healing, both physically and emotionally. Lots of love to you!
 
Posted by Vesper on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 1:28 AM
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Kieran

 

I've always been afraid of giving birth (when the time comes) ever since I was young. All I've heard from women is that it is more painful than anything you've ever felt, the most painful thing you'll ever experience, though I don't know what comparisons they draw these conclusions on. But nonetheless, I have taken these words and allowed the fear in them to become my own because "I'm not good with physical pain". To be explicit, the idea of a baby's head larger than the size of a softball coming out of a hole that has never been stretched larger than the size of a gumball scares the crap out of me, especially because that area is so sensitive. And I have heard stories of women that rip and I just can't imagine...

I know I know I know that it is all worth it. But I do wish I could hear better stories about birth than the ones I've heard. I've just heard stories from women who didn't know how to deal with the pain other than wish it weren't happening. I'm very curious about this topic, Vesper. I look forward to talking with you more. Thank you for exploring this topic with so much heart.


 
Posted by Kieran on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 8:43 PM
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Vesper

 
I think all I should say in response to this is a paraphrase of Ina May Gaskin's comment in her book "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth".

We know that men can "expand and contract" hundreds of thousands of times in their lives with no problem. But when it comes to our feminine anatomy, we think we got the equivalent of a stretched-out girdle with shoddy elastic.

Not so my dears. We were made to open in so many glorious ways. With the body, yes, just as with the heart.
 
Posted by Vesper on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 7:23 PM
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jean

 
I have been talking a lot about this very topic the past week.  My most recent experience with birth was at a sheep farm.  We came to her farm to talk about buying a load of manure.  We spoke for several minutes without realizing that a ewe was in the middle of giving birth right behind her.  She politely excused herself to assist with the birth and seconds later came back to continue our conversation.  That was it!  No freaking out, no rubber gloves, tubes or scary tools.  (I guess I had imaginied it differently.)  Sheep for the most part don't really need help, anyway, she said. Often she says she wakes up in the morning to find that some of the ewes had delivered the previous night.  It was refreshing to see birth treated as just another spoke in the wheel. Like sex, as you said, or even eating.  Beautiful, yet comfortingly mundane in its essential place in nature.  
 
Posted by jean on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 1:26 PM
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