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Wednesday, March 04, 2009 

Category: News and Politics
Does anybody really think that putting alcohol up in price is going to really curb binge drinking??

Come on for fuck sake… Do we really think that we have been that good at bringing up our kids, creating a generation of price sensitive bargain hunters, when the complete opposite is nearer the truth.
Teenagers today look at the price of anything…LAST, if at all! (I know that this is a sweeping statement, and there are exceptions out there)

Whacking beer up a couple of pence per litre is just going to penalise everybody, not to mention pile more pressure on the pub industry, who are struggling to get punters through the door as it is.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not making light of the whole issue of under age/binge drinking or whatever you want to call it. It is a really hard issue to solve. Putting up the price is one of the many things that have been suggested… I also appreciate just how much this must be costing the NHS treating people with drink related injuries and diseases… I am guessing the cost is huge.

But, we shouldn’t be surprised that drinking is a ‘problem’, drinking alcohol is a part of our culture… Northern Europeans have been getting lizard faced since we were walking about in bear skins and wearing hats with horns.

I guess the real question is… will price really have that much of an effect on social responsibility?

...I don't think so.

Have a happy damn Wednesday (night!)

And don’t forget to add you voice to this:
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/PaymentTerms/

it’s really important
Just like Paul

 
Its laughable that putting up the price of drinks curbs underage drinking, this particular problem is down to one of two things.Firstly being served underage is a huge problem "well he/she looked like they were over 18" and therefore served said customer.Our local council have a zero tollarence on this matter and so this part isnt a particular problem.
Secondly its the parenting,allowing theyre kids to grab a few cans for mates and the suchlike. Im not dissing parents in general most do a good job but its the few that help that cause the problem.Its the main customer thats affected as a whole,the one like me wanting to goto the pub for a few swift ones (JD in my case *grins*) paying more for the few that are irresponsible and cause much cost to the already beleagured NHS.The simple thing is to say "Sorry mate youre to wrecked to be served more" more control should be aimed at this rather than putting prices up and ridding the pubs of more custom.
Ive been happily five sheets to the wind and not gone looking for trouble because i felt like it,i just go on my way and have fun. In general the police dont want to be hassled with all the paperwork that goes with an idiot that looks for trouble,which in itself opens up a whole new can o'worms about police paperwork.



A most excellent blog Quadie and one that i hold dear...to my wallet and mind.






Happy Wednesday (night) to you to Sir!
 
Posted by Just like Paul on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 18:47
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Quadie

 
you are right on the whole parenting thang... I'm as guilty as anyone. I have never really been a fully paid up member of the beer police... if you know what I mean!! Don't get me wrong, I wasn't forcing alcohol into them...

appreciated
 
Posted by Quadie on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 20:58
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Ed Henderson

 
There is a simple solution to all things alcohol-related: stick booze in the same punishment category as guns and knives. And no, I'm not taking the piss. I personally can drink shitloads without getting pregnant, getting someone pregnant, knifing someone, or thinking about getting in a car. And I suspect that if the law considered alcohol under the same regulations as offensive weapons when used inappropriately, then I imagine lots of other people would, too.


Think about it: we're keen to publicly dissuade kids from carrying knives, but we make laws to stop them buying them. We make no laws to stop them taking them from the kitchen draw. If we made a law which said illegal activities committed while under the influence of alcohol were treated doubly severely, kids might think twice. As might "grown ups" for whom booze is an excuse to behave repulsively in public.


I am all for kids experimenting with drugs and alcohol. You have no right to complain about either if you have taken neither. But the reality of understanding the effect is lost if there is no summary evidence of the cost of taking experimentation to the levels of excess and addiction. THAT is the lesson that needs to be learned not just by our kids, but by our legislators.


Lower the legal drinking age to 16, legalize cannabis and ecstacy, and make the punishments for public disorder and anti-social crimes SEVERE.

 
Posted by Emigrating to Facebook on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 08:46
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Sandra
Sandra Shufflebottom

 
im with you mr.
ed
 
Posted by Sandra on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 14:07
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Quadie

 
Its funny, which ever way I was think about this I ended up in the same place (as you)... deterrent. If people knew that the consequences for their public disorder were going to be severe it may go some way toward deterring them... and I'm talking a little more than a cell for the night and a caution...

Cheers Ed



 
Posted by Quadie on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 09:07
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Ed Henderson

 
I was asked a while back if I thought National Service should be restored as a means of making "the youth of today" more respectful. I said a firm no, but I do however think that if youngsters were told repeat anti-social offences resulted in National Service for 12-24 month terms (but you were paid during this time) it would not only have a positive effect on those that do it, but also deter those that are shit-scared of facing the realities of serving your country.


And yes, I would have done, when I was a lad!
 
Posted by Emigrating to Facebook on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 13:12
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Chilli

 
Interesting stuff .... having been there and done that as a teenager ... i'm not sure whether the price of things has any impact. I dont think its the alcohol as such thats the problem, its the fact that it unleashes the base behaviours .... and in this delightful generation that means it magnifies the lack of respect either for self or for others, particularly anyone in authority or anyone who says no to them. It just magnifies everything thats going on ... you need to solve those issues and if you can do that, you're a better man than me. Debating alcohol related problems in isolation is like expecting a plaster to cure all diseases.

 
Posted by Chilli on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 19:40
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Quadie

 
top comment... make some great points there

appreciated
 
Posted by Quadie on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 19:49
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Ed Henderson

 
Right on the money with the plaster analogy too.




It also made me think how as teenagers we react against our parents by culturally saying "NO!" to their generation as a result of the conservative application of the phrase "NO!" to our lives, by them. Yep: saying no to a generation who say no to a generation.
That's how we evolve? We're doomed!
 
Posted by Emigrating to Facebook on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 00:06
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Ben Henderson
Ben Henderson

 
I already signed up to that petition...



Increasing price will not have an effect on social responsibility in my opinion, it will just make underage drinkers buy cheaper and probably worse quality booze, make moderate drinkers slightly poorer, and prolong the deaths of the alchoholics by a fractional amount.

 
Posted by Ben Henderson on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 23:16
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david
david jones

 
PENNY A PINT LIFE WOULD BE GREAT
 
Posted by david on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 22:20
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