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Thursday, June 19, 2008 
WHAT IS PAY-TO-PLAY?
Paying to Play is the practice where independent promotion companies (not affiliated with any specific club) exploits young, inexperienced musicians for their profit. These promoters rent "dead nights" at local clubs to host pay-to-play shows. They typically send flattering spam emails through myspace to new bands notifying them of shows they can play, either straight shows or Battles of the Bands (BOTB). Many of these new bands have barely formed. In order to play these shows, the company requires that the band sell a quota of expensive tickets with all the money being turned over to the representative before showtime (or obligates the band to purchase tickets outright). The band sees a very small percentage, or often times nothing, for all their hard work. The promotion company pays the club rent and takes the biggest profit for themselves with very little effort and no promotion. These pay-to-play companies are acting as unnecessary middlemen. FYI: This practice can also be intiated by the club itself. Any time a band is required to sell tickets, they are paying to play.

WHY DO PAY-TO-PLAY COMPANIES SEEK YOUNG MUSICIANS?
Since older, established musicians will not fall for this practice, these companies primarily target the young, new band who is just starting out. These targeted newcomers don't realize they are being exploited. We feel that if this practice is allowed to continue it will ruin the scene for the next generation of musicians. Paying to play is an exploitation of musicians that should be discouraged. Please help us spread the word...

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WHAT DOES PAYING TO PLAY SAY ABOUT YOUR BAND?

These pay-to-play companies will tell you that doing their shows is a way to let people know how hard you can work, that you are a go-getter, that you want to be successful. THAT IS A LIE. In reality, no real hard-working band would ever think of doing a show like this. They know they are a huge waste of time, effort and money...not to mention they'll do damage to your image. The image your band (or you as a solo act) projects can be as important as the music you play.

So you need to ask yourselves a few questions. For instance, who plays these shows? Aren't these shows typically filled with beginners and bands who need more practice time? Do your favorite bands ever pay-to-play? Of course not! No legitimate band would ever fall for doing these stinky gigs. They'd never consider selling tickets and handing all the money they collected over to some "company rep". Older bands view this practice as pathetic.

It's important to consider what your image will be and how people will view you. What does paying to play say about your band?

* We're not good enough to do a real show.
* No real club will book us.
* Our music isn't worth anything.
* Nobody really wants to see us so we have to resort to selling tickets.
* We are desperate.
* Our band isn't the real deal.

Paying to play sends the wrong message. Doing these shows makes a bad impression. Paying-to-play can do more damage than you think!






WE ARE MUSICIANS OPPOSED TO THE PRACTICE OF PAYING TO PLAY. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE A MUSICIAN OR A FAN, PAYING TO PLAY WILL RUIN YOUR SCENE! PLEASE JOIN OUR CAUSE. THANKS AND KEEP ROCKIN'!





10 WARNING SIGNALS IT'S A PAY-TO-PLAY SHOW




1. UNSOLICITED SPAM EMAIL: You typically receive a friendly email from a company you've never heard of, with show dates to choose from, or how to sign up for their Battle of the Bands (BOTB) contest. Their websites are usually professional looking/elaborate. No matter how new your band is, or if you even are a band, they'll claim they are interested in your music and want to work with you. Typically they don't even listen to you.

2. THEY CLAIM THEY ARE NOT PAY-TO-PLAY: The pay-to-play company goes out of their way to mention many times over that they are not. No legitimate booking company has to make this claim. These companies are constantly doing damage control on blogs and message boards, trying to defend themselves against unhappy musicians. Always google first to see what other bands are saying on musician forums/blogs (FYI: "glowing praise" on their pay-to-play site does not count).

3. YOU ARE GIVEN TICKETS TO SELL: Whether it's a requirement to play a show or suggested in order to win a contest, a bands' role is not to be in charge of pre-ticket sales. Promote the hell out of it, but let the club (or promoter) do the actual ticket selling. You are "the artist" and your role is to put on a good show that people will want to see.

4. YOU HAND MONEY OVER BEFORE YOU PLAY: If you hand any money, no matter where it comes from (your friends, family, your own pockets, the sofa cushions) to a company representative before the show, you are paying to play. The representative keeps a detailed tally of who came to see which band either by asking at the door or counting hands at a BOTB. This is never the way real shows are produced.

5. THE COMPANY TAKES THE BIGGEST CUT: You get none (as in BOTBs) or a small percentage back from the money you turned in. No matter what the situation, the company always takes the biggest cut for themselves. They are acting as unnecessary middlemen.

6. ONLY VERY NEW OR INEXPERIENCED BANDS ARE ON THE BILL: Pay-to-play companies work with inexperienced bands. Notice who's on the bill (if they can even tell you) and see if it's anybody you've ever heard of. Established bands are hip to this con job and won't do these shows. In fact, ask any established band what they think of paying-to-play (unless you are profanity sensitive) and see how they view this practice.

7. CRAPPY SHOWS: Too many bands on the bill, a mismatched lineup of acts, too short of time on stage, admission price higher than normal, and an audience that won't stay for the whole show (or are only interested in the band they came to vote for).

8. BIG PROMISES, BIG PRIZES: If you play this show your band will be on the road to Fame and Fortune. You'll play in a venue you'll never get on your own, you will win a chance to do a major tour, play at a major festival, get a million dollar recording contract, receive free recording time at a major studio, have major label A&R reps to evaluate you, etc. The percentage of any of this happening through these shows is remote at best.

9. NO PROMO: The company doesn't print flyers for the show, there are no special print ads in the local music papers, no mention in the free concert calendar. The only promotion is done by the bands. Only the club might list it on their website and that's it. BECAUSE...

10. YOU DO ALL THE WORK - THEY GET ALL THE MONEY. And if the show doesn't turn out well and you complain, you get the blame for not working hard enough, or for being a band that will never make it in this biz. In addition, pay-to-play promoters will always stress what a big favor they do for bands, how much they are sacrificing to help you obtain success, how they too are musicians who's only unselfish goal is to "help other musicians".
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METAL

 
Amen!
Well Written T.
 
Posted by METAL on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 4:44 AM
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CB Sound
Curt Bennington

 
Agree and always have with the above. Stinky it is !
 
Posted by CB Sound on Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 7:01 AM
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B E S T or Promobug
BEst or PROMO WORKS

 
Straight and to the point. NICE work.
Well thought out and professionally sound.
I hope this gets the message across to others.

THIS IS A RIP OFF CLUBS ARE DOING.

They are talking advantage of bands trying to get a leg up on the night life.
Make profit at the same time.

THIS IS WRONG.



KRISTEN @ BEST
 
Posted by B E S T or Promobug on Monday, June 23, 2008 - 6:15 AM
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Jeremy™
Jeremy Daniel

 
Hey don't give away my secrets. How do you think I support you? I don't own a club but I will sure as hell take advantage of these young bands and their rich dads.
 
Posted by Jeremy™ on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 10:03 AM
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CB Sound
Curt Bennington

 
For All those "Cool" bands out there.Read on........

*The prostitution theory and touring. (or playing) (Note: both boys and girls can be
prostitutes, or whores for the purpose of this analogy)

Prostitution and whores have been around for a zillion years. In the touring
industry, the concept of performing gracious, skilled, professional tasks happens daily.   Just like cheap whores and well paid prostitutes. There is a difference between a prostitute and a cheap whore. A Top Shelf Prostitute looks good, is clean, smells good, knows how to handle herself, stays out of trouble (or tries) does things in a business like manner and is loved by many as well as hated by a few. She gets what she wants because of most of the above and doesn’t have to work as hard as a whore.   A good prostitute can charge a premium rate, and if someone doesn’t want to pay that premium, she simply walks away with a smile as someone else will have her (remember she’s good at business) and she provides a much needed service. If she has to do something out of the norm, she charges more and gets it; if one is not willing to pay, they get nothing. A good prostitute knows that the customer always comes first (no pun intended), and will always have work.
A Whore may do things for thrills, bartering or a few quick bucks. She may need a bath, have a history with the health dept in every major city, dress like sh*t, and be physically offending. Cops always lock her up; she pisses people off, may have tons of bad habits, but still provides the same service as her upscale rival.  She has to work twice as hard, charges less, is a major pain in the ass, has a ton of “baggage” and won’t do anything special but basically gets the job done.  A whore has a short life expectancy for different reasons, and usually disappears as fast as they came on the scene.  Sometimes a rude awakening will send her off to the clothing store, doctor, makeover shop, and a bathtub, and she may break out of the ragged image she’s taken on. It takes twice as much hard work to get “back on top”, with early retirement, or physical problems ending her career.

DON’T SELL YOURSELF SHORT. IF YOU WANT TO BE A PRO, KNOW YOUR SH*T AND ACT LIKE A PRO. And you will reap the rewards of repeat work, better money, and a decent life, DON’T BE A WHORE.............

 
Posted by CB Sound on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 8:57 AM
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