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Robert M. Price

Robert M Price


Last Updated: 7/18/2007

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Gender: Male
Status: Married
Age: 55
Sign: Cancer

City: SELMA
State: North Carolina
Country: US
Signup Date: 5/22/2007

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Sunday, September 14, 2008 

Current mood:  contemplative

My family and I have lived here in North Carolina for seven years now. We didn't celebrate the anniversary of moving in, though, since it happened on that day that will live in infamy, September 11. Charon's airliners crashed into the towers while we were moving in. But otherwise I certainly would celebrate it, since I love living here. I loved New Jersey, too, and have nothing bad to say about it. But I love the people and the pace here. And our house. And the food.

I left New Jersey, practically feeling the hand of fate directing us to move back here (where Carol and I had lived 1985-1989). I had come to feel that everything I was doing in NJ had come to its natural end. Everything that once seemed pregnant with possibilities: our house "church," the Grail, plus Heretics Anonymous, the work with the Humanists, teaching at Drew and Bergen Community College--all had finally come to nothing. It was time for a change.

I find that life seems to unfold in more or less five year periods for me, and it is time for yet another new one to begin. Seven years later I seem to have come to another period of transition, and on a more serious level than I have considered before. I have no real career options. It is clear to me that my published opinions have ruled out any career in teaching religious studies. I am radioactive. I can and do write books and papers to express my views, but I seem to see an end up ahead to that, too. I feel I may soon have shot my wad, said all I have to say about biblical criticism and Christian origins. I know I hate debating fundamentalists. Pure vexation. I still do it when a sponsor is willing to pay, because I cannot be choosy when income opportunities present themselves. Having arrived at theoretical conclusions on the historical Jesus and Paul which satisfy me, I wonder if I can maintain interest in these questions?

I have no future in organized Humanism/Atheism, either. I love all the wonderful people involved in it, but I imagine I am too friendly to religion for any of these groups to want to make me their representative. I am politically at odds with most of them anyway. So I am thinking more and more that I ought to just "say goodbye to all that" and return to my first love: fantasy and horror literature. I have edited numerous anthologies and written plenty of fiction as well as criticism. I am home in those shadows, and I think that maybe, like Richard Upton Pickman, I should return there. Yeah, there's no real paying career there, either, I know, but Carol and I manage to make ends meet. I guess I'll still do some adjunct teaching as it is available, and I'll do the Bible Geek. I love the stuff, but maybe I am falling out of loive with it. I have been selling lots of books lately, some of them that I could recently not have imagined myself selling. It seems easier now.  I can't stand going to the Society of Biblical Literature meetings. Can't breathe there.

So I am finishing up a paper I am to deliver in Germany. I have a few Jesus books to review for Religious Studies Review. And I want to look into one more scholarly book I have long thought about writing, one involving the Nag Hammadi writings. But if I feel I haven't enough to say on the subject, I won't pretend I do.

After that, I guess my job is to wait for the new future, the next stage, to arrive. I'm sure it will. I must leave the way clear for it to emerge, like Santa down the chimney, like the birth canal for the baby. Some new meaning or new self may emerge. I will be eager to see what it turns out to be. And I'll let you know.

Bob Price

Mriana

 
Oh Bob! I hate to see you stop writing on the topic. To be honest, I admire you and Bishop Spong, as well as others. It hasn't gotten me back into the Episcopal Church (the only one I would probably ever attend if I were to attend again), but your views give me a different look at religious texts and I have learned more from you, Spong, even Harpur, Victor Matthews, Anthony Freeman, Don Cupitt, as well as a few others outside the Episcopal/Anglican Church about religious texts and religion in general than any other time in my life. Which probably means I haven't entirely let go of some more liberal views of Anglicanism, except have a lack of belief in the creeds and alike, but you all helped to confirm my suspecions about the religious texts of today and have helped in the question of "Where do I go from here now that I no longer believe in those things?" with books like your "The Reason Driven Life". Such books are like going to "the father I never had" and asking for a little wisdom and guidance as I make my own journey in finding truth, my own values, and alike.


Yes, in some respects there are disadvantages with Humanism, but I see Religious Humanism as having some advantages. As Bishop Spong once said to me in reply to a letter I wrote him saying he sounded like a Humanist and unbeknown to him that I had become a Humanist, he said, "Humanism is not anti-Christian or anti-God. It is through the human that we experience the Holy, the Other. The Divine is the ultimate depth of the human." Now that doesn't mean I agree with him on everything he says about Jesus, but I see there is room to go back to what I felt as a child about nature and the universe, grow from there with the knowledge I have about neurochemistry and form my own view without supernaturalism. There are even some words in your books and communications that I have highlighted because they hit home with me also, too numerous to list here for they outnumber what Spong has said to me.


I may fight against Evangelical Fundamentalists' views, for they are inhuman/inhumane, but I am not against the more liberal views such as Spong's. I think there is room within Humanism for their views too as well as ours and secularists views.


So, please don't stop being an inspiration to those of us who admire you and your work. Thanks.


Mriana
 
Posted by Mriana on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 8:01 PM
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Rox (ObnoxiousBitch)

 
Bob,

You are and always have been one of my favorite religious scholars. You served as an example of someone who was able to truly LOVE the things you studied and wrote about without necessarily being obligated to BELIEVE in any of it. It was the realization that this was possible that finally allowed me to embrace my "inner atheist" and admit that my love for mythology and religion, and the constant craving to know as much as I can about people's beliefs doesn't mean I have to pretend I give credence to any of them or the existence of any deities... or even a vague notion of "some higher power.
"

Good luck in whatever future endeavors come your way. No matter what, I'll always be watching, reading and listening to everything you're inspired to share with us.


Thanks so much for everything you've done over the years to educate us all.
You've no idea how much it means to some of us!
 
Posted by Rox (ObnoxiousBitch) on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 8:08 PM
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James Robert Smith
Bob Smith

 
Like Robert Graves, just say goodbye to all that.


I've never liked religion. To me, it's completely toxic and I've never understood why anyone would wish to be a part of it. Or delve into it, save as research.


By all means turn your attentions and energy to horror and fantasy fiction. At least with that, there's the honesty of actually labeling it as fiction.

 
Posted by James Robert Smith on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 9:15 PM
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Greg Girardin

 
Mr Price,

Best of luck in whatever endeavors you pursue in the future, but I'd like to mention that I'm one of a legion of folks out here who have have gotten a lot out of your work and scholarship, so thank you so much for it. Your efforts have been appreciated.


I'm also a fan of sci fi and fantasy so I'm looking forward to any work you do in this area.


Best,

Greg Girardin
 
Posted by Greg Girardin on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 4:24 AM
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DERRECK

 
I cannot possibly imagine anything cooler than TYING your love for fantasy & horror IN WITH your knowledge of the Bible & all things religious.
Revelation has SO much potential! The chronicles of a bloody, pre-Christian mystery cult could certainly evoke chills, especially as the reader gradually begins to see the eerie resemblance to a modern-day world religion!

Your potential is unfathomable. For all we know, we've only witnessed the tip of the iceberg....
 
Posted by DERRECK on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 4:28 AM
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Acharya S
Acharya S

 
Our beloved Bob will continue to contribute to this important field, because he is sorely needed there. Throwing in the towel is not an option.


That's what God just told me.


heh heh

Bob, you know you are a big part of my community, so please stay with us!

Big hug!

Acharya


P.S.
I don't really want to give you a kudos, because I don't want to encourage you to leave the field!!
 
Posted by Acharya S on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 11:52 AM
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Charlie2300

 
It's reassuring to know that you feel at home in the shadows generated by the fantasy and horror literature genre because the Lovecraftian community holds your stories, critiques and anthologies in great esteem. You're rightly considered a Lovecraftian scholar and respected for that. A collected volume of your Mythos stories would be appreciated.






Ironically, I appear to be heading in the opposite direction as I've been an atheist and humanist since the dawn of time, but I've been developing an interest in heretical medievil and Christian sects of late; I blame it on Umberto Eco and "Name of the Rose".

 
Posted by Charlie2300 on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 9:13 PM
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Will
Will Fenio

 
I feel bad that I didn't read this post earlier. I am saddened that you feel your opinions have stifled any future in academia and that you are withdrawing your efforts from the field of religious studies. I know that the current paradigm of mainstream scholarship is not friendly to your views, but they ought to at least recognize your intense acuity and competence in the field. You have contributed so many valuable insights to Jesus studies; it sickens me that you don't get proper acknowledgement for it. I guess it is just the state of the field now..the people that most deserve proper recognition don't get it. Oh well, I'm sure all of your fans, myself included, wish you a happy and prosperous future with your family, in whatever course of action you decide to take. In truth, I know that at some point a person feels burned out with material that they have aborbed themselves in for a few decades; especially as intensely and thoroughly as you have. I wish you would continue, but in all honesty, I would say that your prodigious output of high quality work has earned you a break from the subject matter. I know others probably feel the same. anyway, good luck Dr. Price, I hope you get the just deserts that you truly deserve.

 
Posted by Will on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 2:20 AM
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