It's always a complex Situation when an element of Legacy of the Mudjar Hadeen, feel they have been desserted as serial killers, and beleive that they should have died during the war Afghan war against Russia, they feel they have been betrayed!

The President, reflective of the sins of the First Families Pre-descesors, is now actively engaged in addresing that situation, and bad feeling...............................
 

that's what i was going to say. it's going on right now, so it's not just inevitable.

and unfortunately, it's probably going to be happening for a long time.
 

STINGER !

LOL................

Mx.
 

So where does that leave Colonel Gaddafiduck ? : Sandhurst trained ? Sandhurst is the English military academy : the No1 rule is to ASSUME will make an ASS out of U ME : but ? do they do that on purpose, a paedophile mating ritual ?

So who is Daffy Ducks friends now ?


just an appaling Pantomime !  
 

No. But as I am watching the news on this more and more I have a feeling that the public is not going to know the truth. We all know the government does not take care of the soldiers like they should be. They want soldiers to follow the rules to a T, yet the government doesn't when it comes to caring for soldiers. I can see them turning this around and calling this guy a terrorists, to hide the fact that they knew he was having problems and they ignored it. Brushing things under the rug does not get ride of them. I fully blame the Government on this one, and as for the family members who will probably want reparations, in the military, the government can not be touched. Maybe this is the wake up call that should make Gov. start treating and following protocall with the soldiers. They were going to send him back over seas. Clearly he was not ready for that type of stress again.
 

Breaking News

House passes sweeping health reform bill in 220-215 vote. Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao (R-LA) was the lone GOP vote for the Dem bill.

Hours after President Obama exhorted Democratic lawmakers to "answer the call of history," the House hit an unprecedented milestone on the path to health-care reform, approving a trillion-dollar package late Saturday that seeks to overhaul private insurance practices and guarantee comprehensive and affordable coverage to almost every American.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/07/AR2009110701504_2.html?referrer=facebook&sid=ST2009110702181

 

 

 

When we all go bankrupt between social security, medicare and medicaid, we can count on you to pay the bills.  Right Richard?

 

PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009

Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
 

You know I have a lot of friends who make minimum wage, and that $15,000 is what they bust their ass trying to make in a year. I can see going after people who can afford it and refuse to cover their children, because that breaks the law, but I can't see any judge upholding it with the IRS. There are some laws out there that are stupid, and they are not upheld. For example, in Michigan anal sex is illegal, I think Kentucky it is illegal to have ice cream on apple pie. There are stupid laws like that all over the country and people never get arrested for breaking them.
 

Way to Go!  Great News Richard!  Yeeee Haaaaaa!! 


 

"According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016."

If that is true, then it is a rip off. BCBS has better rates for coverage as a PPO. Their max yearly amount can be from $3,500.00 to a max of $7,000.00 for private individuals. I own my own business and I shell out the funds for health care coverage for my employees and family. I could be an ass and save money I pay in Health care and bank it, but I am not that greedy. I know what it is like to not have insurance, and I don't understand why a lot of these companies that can pay for it, refuse to. Even companies like Wal-Mart nickel and dime their employees.
What it really is coming down to is that these major companies, like the ones the tax payers bail out. Refuse to shell out health care coverage when they can afford it. So thus these big companies are again steeling from the hard working tax payers, and getting away with it.

 

Regardless if it is a rip off... If you don't get it the IRS will come after you...

Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
 

I have health insurance, and I don't plan on buying any more. Why buy what you don't need??? I am guessing that with this bill, there are some greedy politicians that are going to get stock and assets in it, what a back fire this was.
 

I don't have health insurance and have never needed it..

I'm a firm believer in natural remedies for my health, and those are covered by any of the bills proposed..


My father cured himself of prostrate cancer with less then $100 of essential oils..


The only ones who are going to rake in millions from these health care bills will be the insurance companies...  Since it will be required that everyone including children to have insurance..

These companies will rake in millions from all the new policies... When i was younger i used to be an insurance agent and insurance companies base their rates on tables that that give the amount of people who get certain illnesses or or other health problems and all the companies use old table and don't reflect the true amounts of people..

Thus the companies make more money based on outdated info..



wadada



 

opps, i meant that natural remedies aren't covered by these health care bills..

 

Not to mention that it's not budget neutral as President Obama promised.  To be budget neutral would mean that congress is going to cut existing spending to fit the cost of the new health care bill into the yearly budget.  If congress could really do that, we wouldn't have a long term budget debt of 11.4 trillion.  But Richard doesn't want you to know that.

 

 

Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley is said to be the hero that ended the shooting. Bravo to her and her bravery. Hope she is doing well.


 

Yes!!! 
 

Heard she was shot 4+ times and still charged after him. She has some real Moxy. Also read she is doing good, and is resting in the hospital.
 

How about that for a WOMAN!  I guess we just have to do everything
Glad she is doing well! 


 

Please.........

If that had been a man shot 4 times, he would already be back in the gym pumping iron and wrestling grizzly bears............with one hand tied behind his back........

 

But no Man did IT!

Prove it!




 

It is remarkable to note that the shooter was educated at Virginia Tech where the college kids were massacred awhile back.Who can say whether or not Iran was behind it?Maybe the fact that he is Palestinian had more influence on his motives.It is ironic that a psychiatrist  did the shooting-the interviews to determine his motives with fellow psychiatrists should be interesting.

 

It would be interesting to hear the trial and who will be the "lucky" defense attorney for him.  I can hear it now going for "insanity."



 

Probably.Pleading insanity is the best way to commit a terrible crime and get away with it.He will while away the rest of his days playing cribbage with the staff in the day room at the state mental hospital as Ed Gein did when they locked him up.It is shocking that someone trained to heal could do such a thing.It reminds me of the case in the Uk when a small group of doctors,all Muslims,launched an unsuccessful terrorist attack against a Scottish airport.

 

Talk about conspiracy peddling.  I got a better idea.  Before we all start piling on Muslim's everywhere, let's wait for the facts........

And to suggest that 2 different thoughts on government can't co exist is crazy.  Both Christianity and Islam have been around for 1500 years.  There are several religions that have been around over 3000 years.  It's not a matter of the religion, but a matter of people within the religion that mistake it for a military organization.  And something that we should consider is the west was set up where government takes place outside of the religious organization.  Isn't religion suppose to teach us tolerance?  If such a showdown does happen it will be because of a lack of tolerance.

 

Its rather ironic that Islam should be more tolerant of Christians than the reverse.  Both religions claim absolute truth and that the age of generally binding revelation ended in their own time.  Given that Islam came after Christianity, Jesus is considered a great prophet in Islam and Christians are regarded as "People of the Book" and worshippers, albeit in an incorrect manner, of Allah, one would think that Islam would be more tolerant of Christians.  Maybe the radicals just aren't good Muslims...
 

Not only was he a muslim but he had orders to deply!  I was listening to an interview with his cousin and he voiced he did not want to go - you THINK!

what kind of shit is that - giving orders to a devout Muslim to go and "kill" their own kind and be comfortable with it because you are a U.S. citizen and an officer in our Army? 

Ya, he had some issues - battling much but the phycologist did not have a phycologist and what American he could spill his guts out on with this load?  You don't do no shit like that to an older devouted MUSLIM!   It's like WTF you expect - are you REALLY supprised?  he flipped the coin!

His mental issues started at 9/11 and Bush war. Now, these are my thoughts on it but I will tell you something - what is dislosed in public is only what they feel you need to know and would be comfortable with and that is not always will be all the truth.  Whoever gets the "truth" from him as to his reasons will only get what he wants them to know. 


 

The muslim should not have joined the U.S.A Army in the first place. He joined the army and knew, in the end, he would be deploy over there and kill his own. The army should of kicked him out because of conflicts of interest.
 

I'm sorry, but both you and Jewels are making excuses, and lame ones at that.  Saying that this guy didn't want to go and kill fellow Muslims is the worst sort of cop-out.  There were plenty of German-Americans who fought in Europe against Germany in both World Wars.  Ditto for Italian and Japanese-Americans in WWII.  I have yet to read of any of them complaining about having to kill their own people as a reason to go on some shooting rampage.  Meanwhile, the U.S. Army, along with the rest of the military is a VOLUNTEER organization.  This guy didn't have his draft number read.  The press gang didn't just snatch him off the streets and convey him to a military base.  He joined of his own free will and was more than happy to have the Army pay for his schooling.  When you join the military, its with the understanding that you might have to go to war.  If you can't handle that then don't join.  Meanwhile, this guy was a doctor, so he would've been inside a base the whole time.  Hell, doctors and chaplains aren't even armed and are barred from carrying weapons by the Geneva Convention! 
 

"Lame ass EXCUSE"?  may be an excuse on your perspective but it's not on mine. 

and how/why are you comparing old wars with  different countries with current Muslims terrorist acts?
It's a whole new different "book", title, plots, charectors, religion and everything.

It's like people think that Uncle Sam, our United States Government is the ONLY damn thing that is important and people personal lives, their beliefs, their families don't mean shit.  Live and die under their orders and that includes If I tell you to kill your family you do it because i told you to and you made a contract with us to do so. this man, as wrong as he was, still had the rights to make his choices personal and say "fuck you U.S. and the people who kill my people and expect me to do the same."

I am not condoning his actions, but put ME in a situation to choose a group or organization, fuck papers I signed, pledges I made, PRIOR before the new bull shit that orders me to kill my family and kill people of my faith and you will see who I would tell "Fuck You." 

 


 

 

If you could understand what I am saying than we would not be having this conversation.
All that coulda shoulda" shit  what about what he DID and a possible reason WHY.


Oh, I forgot, you are or was an "Officer" in the military and not a Seargent Major who has more experience and knowledge concerning soldiers that I regard as wiser and more experienced and how shit is dealt with in the military. The ones who could blow smoke in your face and tell you what it IS and not some "Coulda shoulda" shit like THAT will solve some future problems.

Ya, you are right, let's leave this alone - a waste of time.  Just the fact you have to endorse Jim who was a NCO and was not a Seargent Major retired with at least 4 different MOSes is enough for me to say "later." 


 

Muslims kill Muslims all the time over there(middle east).  Why is it such a big thing when someone from a western society does it?  That to me is the control that Islam tries to enforce over all it's converts world wide.  And it also speaks of a hidden racial superiority and cultural agenda.  When Muslims kill each other, it's just the necessary struggles of life.  But when someone from a western culture kills a Muslim, it's a religious crime?  This is the same kind of control the early Christian churches tried to exhort of the Kings and Queens of Europe.  This end around control by the church led to the rise of the secular orders that dominate Europe now.

 

Yeah, I was waiting for some one to say that.

The other night, I was thinking... If the muslim had conflicts of interest, joining the army and could not killed his own. How come this situation did not happen during the civil war, WWI, WW II, and other times. Did a white person ever had these conflicts and did something like this?
 

thank you for understanding and that was also my point!


 

I see your point Jewel.  But the military is not for everyone.  The military requires every service member to put their feelings in their back pocket and do what the country ask of them.  If I get the point with this man in Texas, it's that he signed up and went to college.  Once the military paid for his degree, the military asked him to serve in return.  As a doctor this man would not have to kill anyone.  But he would have to counsel those in the theater of combat.  Maybe he should have thought about his decision to initially enlist.  It is not uncommon for people to use the military to pay for their degree, and then try to duck out on the final 4 year obligation.  Officer as well as enlisted people try to duck out on their obligation.  I knew a man who took a football scholarship at the academy.  Once he graduated he tried to duck out on the rest of his contract.  Military is pretty hardcore on the fulfillment of the contracts people sign with them.  What happened in Texas was sad.  Instead of going AWOL he decided to kill unarmed people waiting in line.  This man is evil.  There can be no justification for what he did.  Devote Muslim or not, he gunned down unarmed innocent people.  So you consider what the term devote Muslim encompasses.

 

"Military is pretty hardcore on the fulfillment of the contracts people sign with them." 

Not really...  it depends on what you want, who you know and how you go about getting out with an Honorable Discharge.  Oh ya, timing is very important also. 


 

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!  The ONLY thing that has any real staying power on a military contract is your signature on the line at the end of it.  Enlistment contracts state that the military may change ANY terms of service for the benefit of that service. 
 

 "Enlistment contracts state that the military may change ANY terms of service for the benefit of that service."

so, tell me why that don't have any room for "change"?


 

Jim said it pretty well.  Also, the military isn't psychic.  North Korea could kick off the Second Korean War today and I guaran-damn-tee you that EVERYBODY who's been in the military at all in the last 20 years is gonna get called up.  Its in the contract, the military basically has the power to haul you back until you hit somewhere between 50 and 60, wherever the mandatory retirement age is.  Only then are you truly done with the military.
 

Because everyone and his uncle would sign up for military service.  They would get the education, and then leave the military.  The military would cease to exist.  More importantly would be the defacto payment of all college tuition by the U.S. government, that would cost the government billions.

 

Both of you all get real.  I was in the Military less than half the time you both were in but you sure can't tell me something I don't know - at least, give it try!!
 
See you around!


 

Jim, I am only sharing my views of WHY he may have done it just like the FBI, the CIA, AJ, and the Army Intelligence Analysis are ALL trying to find out what made him do what he did and how long his mental issues been bothering him.  I guess you would say they are justifying his evil doings also?

I am not a one sided type of person - I look for understanding in all things but that don't mean I condone them and that is how it sounds like you are judging me and it's wrong.  

I KNOW the game people pay with uncle sam, I KNOW he is obligated to be a soldier just like everybody else knows and you don't know how I feel or reacted when I first heard of this or how I feel about it now. 

you are being very defensive because you are a vet but as far as you know, I may have "played" uncle sam also for college funds and got out.  


 

You said you were looking for understanding in why he did what he did.  That's why I got a little "unhinged" with you.  There is no sound reason why?  Nor should we look for a reason.  My point was that he could of hopped a jet to a foreign country and went AWOL.  He could have forced the Army to discharge him.  There were a hundred other things he could have done instead of killing those people in Texas.  Killing a person is a very finite action, there is no coming back from that.  But don't think I judge you on your opinions.  I was merrily provoking thought with you.  My opinion is no more right or wrong than yours.  But know I have to ask, did you take an early out with uncle sam?  Send me a picture of you in your uniform.  I gotta see this.  A few years back I worked for this 0-4 that was built like a run way model.  I often wondered if she knew what we(guys) were thinking every time she would turn around and walk away?

 

Oh, I played my game after getting what i wanted - like I said, timing was PERFECT but i can't and will not disclose the details of what took place but i will say this - I have had MUCH favor with and still do with men in command and leadership position and VERY respectfully. 


 

Ahhhh maaan, I got a seperate photo album - plenty of pictures.  Those days were the best of my life!  However, the ones I got are mostly from basic and AIT and my friends, the band i joined IN basic and seargents who spoiled me ...you know what, i am going to post them on MySpace and I really never thought about it until you mentioned it.... DUDE!  LOL

Give me tomorrow.