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Wednesday, July 01, 2009 

Whats up thrashers!  Once again, we need your help!  We want to know how you feel about the music scene today- bands, scenes, fads, trends, fans, labels, magazines, videos... you get the idea.

We cant really say what this is for right now, all we'll say is that you guys are what matters to us.. you make the scene, your voice does matter... so say how you feel and we'll do the rest.
 
So grab a donut, sit down and type away!  Thanks as always and you'll hear more from us soon!

Thrash!
Peter







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Face

 
you guys are underappreciated.come to fucking denver
 
Posted by Face on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:21 PM
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Metal
Jim Gallagher

 
you guys need to tour more around the east coast man, nit everyone know The Absence's Potential. Please Come to the TROC again!
 
Posted by Metal on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:22 PM
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Feigned Reverie
Stephen Callen

 
I am personally offended by a lot of the trendy bands and scene that we have today. All these bands jumping on the deathcore bandwagon and wearing designer clothes and looking like tools. While I think a part of metal is about image it is absolutely mostly if not should all be about the music. I am sick of scene kids clogging our mosh pits with their stupid hardcore dancing. I have been to many shows where the kids don't even know who the bands are....they are just there to hardcore dance and get scene points. I am sick of the bands that play all this chug chug, rudimentary crap that doesn't belong. I will even call out some of those bands right here....White Chapel, Suicide Silence, Born of Osiris, After The Burial....etc....

Its not metal...its just trendy bandwagoners jumping on the Despised Icon/Job For A Cowboy train. I have seen some magazines around but most of them tout "the new wave of metal" then praise trashy bands like the ones I have pointed out above. So, I avoid the magazines for the most part. I also can honestly say that you can tell real metalheads from the posers easily. Well...thats about all I can write now...maybe I will say some more later on. Keep thrashing guys!

 
Posted by Feigned Reverie on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:23 PM
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Eric
Eric Allen

 
Thats you're opinion yeah, but The Absence and Born of Osiris are different genres, well to me atleast.  I honestly don't like all of the genres in general, death core, hard core, thrash core, grind core, its stupid why not just metal?

 
Posted by Eric on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:55 PM
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David[AI]
Blackbeard Breakdown

 
Core genres are almost always diluted, shitty versions of the metal genre, key word ALMOST, i actually like some of it.
but above all, i HATE scene kids and that GODDAMN 2 step SHIT.
its pointless along with hardcore dancing, they just take up space and act like they're hot shit because they can hit themselves and make it look like dancing, why cant you just mosh?



 
Posted by David[AI] on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:19 PM
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Jeffson Johnsfrey
Jeff Johnson

 
i think that people are focused entirely too much on unimportant things that have to do with music. i hate watching  videos of bands on youtube and seeing a 2 page argument about joey jordison being a better drummer than derek roddy, or people arguing about how amon amarth isnt real viking metal, its just meldoic death metal with viking lyrics. seriously, who cares. those people just need to change their tampons, go listen to nickleback, and shut their faggot metalcore mouths. music is for people to play, listen to, and enjoy. its not so you can wikipedia every detail on a band and think your some kind of genious because you know who all the members in whitechapel are. i'm pretty sure thats what the metal scene is like around here.                                       
                                                                                                             -jeff
 
Posted by Jeffson Johnsfrey on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:23 PM
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Brosiris: Lord of the Underbros

 
The whole "scene" and "deathcore" thing is about the dumbest shit ever... some of the bands are actually ok but the fans just want what the next "brutal" thing is so they really don't give a shit about the actual music, and they freak out when one of their bands starts to go in a more tradtional death metal direction and think they are "selling out" even though they are doing the exact opposite... this is my oppinion for now haha
 
Posted by Brosiris: Lord of the Underbros on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:23 PM
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☠Ce$@r [ mexic@n met@alhe@d]☠
Cesar Avalos

 
i think scene kids are trying to play heavier stuff to sound "hardcore" in front of their little friends
their giving metal a bad name and they dont play it cause they like it scene and emos kids can die


but any ways people who play "heavier" metal like u guys need to be more recognized more
guys like yall deserve more credit

and downloading music makes it harder for an artist to make a living

 
Posted by ☠Ce$@r [ mexic@n met@alhe@d]☠ on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:23 PM
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August Burns Alejandro

 
there is no fucken scene where i live, unless the bands have played at that venue a few times before then like barely any 1 shows up, and theres 1 venue within 20 min, the rest are like 60 min away, but if the bands are good and have played there then it will yeild like 0ver 100 people, the biggest bands ive seen there are, Mychildren MYbride, Underneath The Gun, and Return From Exile

 
Posted by August Burns Alejandro on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:23 PM
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BRUCE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD!
Bruce Hardy

 
i love the metal scene today
my favorite bands are the black dahlia murder, bleed from within, within the ruins veil of maya and bands like that.

i love the sound you guys had on the past few albums
but u should def make it heavier!
;D

 
Posted by BRUCE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD! on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:23 PM
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Vlad The Impaler

 
they should make it however the fuck they want, if you want them to play heavier, then you obviously are looking for something different in a band.
 
Posted by Vlad The Impaler on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 4:59 PM
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Bible Basher (A.O.M)

 
TOO MANY MOTHER FUCKING SCENE KIDS AND POSERS!
You guys are awesome!

 
Posted by Bible Basher (A.O.M) on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:23 PM
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Vince
Vincent James

 
I talked to Jaime at the show with goatwhore at the crowbar in may and we both mentioned the fact that we are very upset that the famous "Death Metal scene" of Tampa seems to have gone away. This is very upsetting because now it seems the only bands around are the hardcore/scene bands and thats what is frustrating. People need to bring TRUE death metal back with a vengeance to Tampa, and I will personally try to do my part with my band in the future.

 
Posted by Vince on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:23 PM
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Cory {Sworn to black we'll always be}

 
Deathcore is stupid. It should be called "dancemetal" in my opinion. I hate the hardcore dancing trend as well.

 
Posted by Cory {Sworn to black we'll always be} on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:29 PM
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PnKnG
Bernd Jankowiak

 
I say ceep riding the musical style you have been doing so far. Maybe experiment with some mix of Jamie doing the "metal/growling" vocals and Patrick doing some clean vocal "underneath" (more in the background in terms of mixing the music). Also maybe try some 7 string guitar playing on the new record.

 
Posted by PnKnG on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:29 PM
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J.Han

 
I can sum it up nicely. Since I'm primarily a metal fan and I live in the greater NYC area, I'll stick to these areas.

American metal fans need to listen to more music.

More precisely:

In America, death/extreme metal fans listens to death/extreme metal. Prog fans listen to prog. Old-school people listen to old school stuff. Stoners and hipsters listen to stoner/hipster stuff. Etc, etc. And most musicians I know don't listen to much of anything.

Hate to say it, but American metal fans of all stripes are limited in outlook and attitude. for example, most death metal fans would call me a pussy for listening to Nightwish, Amorphis, or Midnattsol. Most old-school fans have nothing but derision for death metal because of the vocals. Most prog fans/musicians don't like anything that doesn't have ten minute guitar solos straight out of Berklee School of music.

The one trend that must DIE a quick death is Post-Metal - i.e. Isis, Pelican, and bands like them. All that stuff is is snotty, boring, 'We went to art school' music.  My guess is that most people in Post-Metal bands can't really play that well, so they just decided to turn up their amps and make noise. Sorry, but Sonic Youth did that twenty years ago, and it sucked back then.

All in all, the metal scene here is fragmented. Each group derides the other. It's quite boring, and a bit neurotic. On the other hand, metal in general is much bigger here now, so who's complaining?

I WILL express satisfaction that the more extreme genres are finally enjoying quality production. There are some amazing sounding albums out there now, and it's only getting better. My only wish now is for Americans start opening up to European genres a bit more and start expanding their horizons.





 
Posted by J.Han on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:30 PM
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Vlad The Impaler

 
i consider myself a metal fan of all kinds, i mainly like melodic, black, and death metal, and i definitely wouldnt call you a pussy for listening to Nightwish, Amorphis or any other bands of that kind. But i would agree that the only american metal bands from europe that most americans know of are the ones thrust into every fucking magazine and radio add (i.e. Children of Bodom) which i think is one of the most overrated, over-hyped bands of all time. and its sad to see that no one knows any european bands, europe is basically where metal started, personally some of my favorite bands are Ensiferum, Amon Amarth, Wintersun, Skyfire, Susperia, Kalmah, Darkest Hour, thats just a few
 
Posted by Vlad The Impaler on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 4:59 PM
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thrAshley

 
hear hear!



 
Posted by thrAshley on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 5:11 PM
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S.D. "Snake" Plissken
Chris R

 
Wow, first you say metal fans should listen to more music, then you proceed to trash excellent bands like Isis and Sonic Youth with juvenile and completely irrational statements. Way to go.

 
Posted by S.D. "Snake" Plissken on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 5:08 PM
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(RobB) ;)

 
I'll Tell you What One of the Problems Is,American idol/Americas got tallent,Here is 2 show that have people come on, show what Lousy talent they have(Singing other people shit) In Getting a Million Dollar recording Contract To Put out Cookie cutter Top Forty Type music that they don't even write themselves.More or Less They Need To Pay there Dues Just Like The Rest of Us....Keeping it fuckin Heavy....R.
 
Posted by (RobB) ;) on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:30 PM
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THE ASYLUM METAL RADIO

 
i think the scene is dying a slow painful death with all of this "scenester" bullshit it's no longer about musical talent anymore it's about how cool you're clothing looks and having pretty hair the young kids are being polluted with garbage metal christ almost every youngster i talk to has never heard of bands like yourself and Testament they think thrash are bands like Trivium or Killswitch Engage!!!????

the sad thing is that the future of metal lies in these young kids hands and unfortunately i'm not getting any younger it's pretty fucking sad when a guy my age knows all of the classic metal bands and the new ones too (The Absence being one of the best of the new bands) for the longest time i thought that the metal scene outside of the U.S. was the best but now the shitty U.S. trends are starting to spill over to countries like Australia,France and even Brazil i blame Guitar Hero for all of the talentless shit being shoved up our asses lately

don't change a thing guys you're one of the few new bands that get their influences from great bands like Edge Of Sanity

 
Posted by THE ASYLUM METAL RADIO on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:39 PM
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ELSY

 
ahhh awesome!! i actually wrote something about the metal scene a few weeks ago lol
 
Posted by ELSY on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:39 PM
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John

 
the metal scene is a peice of shit. if your not some wanabe hardcore straight edge fag band then most people havnt even heard of you. the metal scene is being taken over by talentless bands each song created sounds exactly like the next, with the ever so predictable breakdown chug bullshit not many are being creative at all. its pretty pathetic this trend of like deathrapcore hahhaha they are your typical shit breakdown band and they're performance is like a rap performance like the way they dress and move its so dumb whenever i see a show like that it feels like just being there im losing brain cells. Anthrax owns rap metal and they are the only ones that can do it because they really are metal. everything is just based on image not the music or skill

everyone got obsessed with despised icon now everyone wants to be like them

this staight edge thing... how cute they have their own little name. they believe they are so badass and shit and thats the way they live their life because they think it should be that way but really they only do it to fit in with all the other shit bands and to make money because the douche community is so large and that is where the money's at. not many do solos anymore because they cant, they fucking suck... an entire album without one solo what the hell is that? i'll tell you... its horse shit and everyone eats it right up

there are so many good bands out there but they just dont get the recognition they deserve

you guys are fucking awesome i cant wait to get the new album
 
Posted by John on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:39 PM
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Budda

 
First of all, I think that it's great that new bands are getting the exposure they need to play to more people, in different cities (states provinces and countries), and Hopefully being able to afford the trip. It's comforting to find an up-and-coming band that is quickly gaining ground, and even though they are located in say the western USA, they will eventually be playing Canada and somewhere I can go see them.

As for fans, thank God for fans. That Said, I hate the assholes who think that a metal show (or any show) is the place to start a fight, throw punches, and generally act like an idiot by harming others. I came to the show to see the band, sing/scream along and rock out, NOT protect myself from the 180lb 6'1 asswipe who's drunk and thinks he needs to fight. We're all there to have fun - if you want to start shit, do it elsewhere. It's cool to make friends and to meet people who have similar musical interests as you. Also, 3 cheers for attractive girls who go to metal shows ..m/.

The "metal scene" - damned if i know, to be honest. I just go to shows when I can, have a good time, and try to get my album leaflets signed.

Bands: there's variety! Of course what's popular will bring some new bands that sound similar or too close, but there will also be (and always are) those bands that take the current ideas, and add something special to them to make them even better. One band I can think of in terms of progression for the better would be Born Of Osiris - they went from sounding like some of the other metalcore? (i don't know my subgenres, i dont care about subgenres) acts to their own sound, which is a great thing! I don't see the point in picking on bands in various subgenres of any music - if you dont like it, then don't listen to it ;). I know there's a bit of a sense of brotherhood while on the road, especially if something bad happens to one of the bands (stolen gear/tour van, accidents while driving) - always a plus. I like a variety of music, and look for bands that fit my tastes in each of those areas. I think we need more bands of all styles!

I'm also very grateful to the bands that stick around after their set/show, and sign things and chat with the fans. I've met a few of the bands I enjoy the most, and I'm always impressed when members will hang out for a few minutes and chat about the music, life on the road, and life back home. Personally, I go to shows to see the songs live, to sing it back to the people who wrote it, and to express my thanks and gratitude for giving me something new.

As for fads and trends.. all I can think of is "bree breee", pinch harmonics, breakdowns and the dress code.. all of which I don't care much about. They're all good when used tastefully, dependign entirely on the music. "everyone's a critic"

Labels - I hope that they are doing their part to support bands, keeping as much money in the bands pockets as possible while still being able to make a profit and afford their own expenses. I havent' heard much regarding labels, and I suppose no news is good news.

Magazines and videos: exposure is a good thing, videos can be entertaining to watch, and I generally don't see or look at either types of media as far as bands go. I'm glad that guitarists talk about their gear and their tone, because as a fellow guitarist I'm interested in who's using what to achieve various sounds.

I wish the best for all members of The Absence and all the other bands out there trying survive while doing what they love. Maybe one day I'll be able to go on tour in a band as well!

Keep it heavy ..m/

Justin

 
Posted by Budda on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:41 PM
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Screams of Winter

 
I think most people in the metal scene are too focused on trying to be "metal". Who cares if whitechapel and job for a cowboy attract scene kid fans, that doesn't mean you're a scene kid if you listen to them. Just listen to what you like and stop worrying so much about trying to be as "metal" as possible. If you hear a riff that rules, its okay to say it rules no matter what band plays it. Just open your mind and listen to whatever you think sounds good to you and don't worry about whether or not scene kids actually care about the band they are seeing. If you care about the bands you go to see live, then why do you care whether they care?
 
Posted by Screams of Winter on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:50 PM
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Tony
Antonio Gutierrez

 
its not the trends that are the most annoying part. its the herd of sheep that follow the trends because its 'cool' instead of thinking for themselves. its the same people that change their entire style and identity as trends come and go. it creates a false soceity of the same ideals just because people cant think for themselves. and music is just the beginning unfortunately.
 
Posted by Tony on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:50 PM
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The Disciple

 
Everyone sounds the same. A lot of bands seem to recycle the same riff, same double-bass bullshit and all that mess. Everyone is sounding like their idols or influences instead of sounding like themselves. A lot of singers sing about stuff that fits their style of music instead of singing about what they want to sing about. Music today has lost the element of story telling. I understand bands have to make money, but they don't have to sell their souls and creativity in order to do so.

As far as magazines, labels and all that crap goes, it just looks at the surface, not what's underneath. Guys like you don't get any press, and when you guys do, its a short article. Bands that are not as talented who have way to many breakdowns or sing radio friendly stuff get all the press because they are more commercial and are the "it" thing. It goes back to everyone sounding the same. All the magazines, labels and everything else all go for these talentless bands because everyone is trying to report and discover "the next big thing" instead of reporting on things that sound awesome and unique. Nothing looks or sounds unique anymore. Bands get signed to record labels because they can sell records and make them more money instead of getting signed because they have talent.

And as far as fans, scenes and trends go, metal fans have lost that "I'll fuck you up if you even try to be like me" mentality. No one looks like a metal fan anymore. All these "scene kids" bring their fads and trendy hipster hot topic skinny jeans, way to tight shirts and "Emo hair" to the shows instead of just being relaxed in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. Metal fans are the latest to fall victim to the "everything has to be a fashion show." Look like you and not like a piece of cardboard. Be chill, relax and realize no one is looking at you or will ever look at you. We are here to see music, not your skinny punk ass and stupid looking hair.

In a nut shell, 1 out of 10 bands has something unique to say these days. 1 out of 10 play something that sounds different. Everything and everyone is forgetting what being an artist and what metal is all about. It's about creating something amazing, unique and having fun while doing it and allowing the masses to hear it and escape from their daily lives for a few hours. It's about more than selling records and pleasing record executives and fans. It's about having fun and being yourself.

Hope this helps.
Erik Salazar



 
Posted by The Disciple on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 8:50 PM
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Joey
Joey Konopka

 
I agree with a lot of what has been said already. The deathcore bands are corrupting metal. I will admit that I do like the occasional song from those trendy bands but for the most part I am bored by them and all of these kids I meet praise them and their newest album like it is the most revolutionary thing ever to hit the planet. At shows these kids can kill the mood. I went to a show several months ago which had Hate Eternal which is a band I like more of the old school kind of death sound but during the set all of these little scene kids were just kind of standing there acting bored because they weren't All Shall Perish.

As has been touched on already Americans are too narrow minded in their musical taste. Like the scene kids will not listen to anything but deathcore and hardcore. They resist the awesome feeling that other heavy bands can give them because it will be seen as un cool which last time I looked metal was not the "cool thing". Metal is a genre of music that people listen to because they enjoy it and they dont give a damn what anyone else thinks about their music.

I dont think that the scene kids are all bad because they do help pay for the legitimately good bands on the scene tour so they are useful in that respect. I think that in the future at your shows if there are any scene kids we should crucify them in the pit. Just a suggestion.

Oh and in regards to videos I would say do something fun and semi origional. I'm tired of bands just playing in some dungeon or fucked up warehouse.

Keep it heavy guys.

 
Posted by Joey on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:02 PM
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Eric the Redd

 
I agree with what others are saying. I think that deathcore needs to die a quick death. For me melodic death metal/Gothenburg is the ultimate form of metal. It's heavy and brutal but it also has recognizable melody. I listen to a lot of metal over numerous genres and have to say that grindcore and this new wave of "trendy" deathcore bands are crap. They all sound the same. Keep with the sound from the first two albums and you guys will have me as a fan forever.

 
Posted by Eric the Redd on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:17 PM
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Iwan.
Iwan Jones

 
You guys are one of the best bands right now along with Alexisonfire
 
Posted by Iwan. on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:23 PM
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Kyle
Kyle Chapman

 
Btw, I am in no way bashing the "core" music, for some of it is pretty insane. I'm speaking about the fan-base

 
Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:28 PM
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Kyle
Kyle Chapman

 
In my opinion, it seems as though it's all just becoming a name-game. Death-core, grind-core, cyber-grind (that one is just fucking retarded), and just any other combination you can come up with. It's just become ridiculous and the sad thing is that all of the scene/hxc kids are just eating this shit up. It's simply appauling. Most of my generation seems to be completely unaware of the greats from back in the day. You say something about Born of Osiris or Job for a Cowboy and all of the little scene douches come out of the wood-work, but if you mention Morbid Angel, Suffocation, or Death, the fucking founders of death metal, and they just stare at you blankly. Everyone seems to have forgotten their past so that they may embrace this easily marketed, mass produced stereotype generating future. You guys need to bring moshing and headbanging back to the states.
 
Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:28 PM
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mud

 
Well, first off, all bands that are on MTV and on TV in general are all fake. I'd like to see a real metal band back on the top selling list again like Matallica and Pantera back in the day. That's never going to happen though because metal is'nt 'cool' anymore, and won't sell as good like back in the 80's when everything was that queer hairmetal garbage. Metal music is on the back burner for now, but it will be back to the mainstream eventually. As for fake scenefags chugging along to spedup double bass tracks on their computer, that shit is disgusting and insulting. I always feel offended when my friends put in some Anotations for an Autopsy or whatever the fuck it is. That shit is not real, if they can't play it onstage infront of fans, or when they do and it sounds like shit (Dragonforce), then it's time to take them out back and put them to sleep. Or atleast slash their guitar strings, vocal chords, and drumheads. The fake "bree" bands that just ripoff Job For A Cowboy should all be silenced. Whats the point of a song if you can't understand what it's about. I can't stand that shit.
Gimmie crunchy grooves, or gimme death!

 
Posted by mud on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:29 PM
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Circadian Rising

 
As far as labels go, they have lined up around the block to sign 80's retro thrash and dethcore bands.  Both trends.  It's making them money. 

People will stop caring about thrash and dethcore soon..they are trends.  The real thrash bands from the 80's are all you need.  And dethcore has moved its way from metalcore and all of those bands have died out except for a few choice ones.

At this point so much has been done musically everything is mashing together.  The song writing will separate the good from bad bands and determine how long they stick around.

-Brandon




 
Posted by Circadian Rising on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:29 PM
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Cody
Cody Lambert

 
There are good bands in just about every genre (except country lol), from rap to the most grvm and frostbitten black metal. I take the ones i like and leave those i don't, you know.

Scenes have gone a bit downhill. In the 'true' metal scene there's a lot of hate being thrown around that makes it look bad. Just like what you like and respect the rest, no hate need. These scene wars need to stop. I don't really need to say anything else.

Fads (deathcore/metalcore/gangster rap/bubbly rock) come and go, but metal will live forever.

Most magazines cover things i don't really care about so i don't read them. I'd like to see some more unknown bands get into the magazines though. Terrorizer is a decent magazine.

My two cents.

 
Posted by Cody on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:29 PM
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METAL WAR GOD >:o fuck, the black people left
D-Money Bigglesworth

 
what i'm surprised at is that no one has noticed the parallels between the scene today and the scene in the 80's.  We have The scene and emo trends. (hair and glam metal)Meanwhile,  on the other end we have a whole new exciting genre, Prog metal, rising up out of seemingly nowhere(just like death and thrash in the 80's) and the underground is thriving with exciting new bands and sounds while the mainstream is flooded with wasted talent and mediocrity that gives the overall genre a bad name.  while i detest the massive flood of posers and idiots that claim genres dont exist(It's Just metal guys, just listen to it!) I also delight in the fact that because of that, the true metalheads are pushed that much harder to prove to the world that metal is as good as ever.  Sure, we have to sit through Avenged sevenfold plagueing the ariwaves, but then we get bands like Necrophagist(death metal Yngwie Malmsteen) touring the country.  On a side note, I like the fact that the only people who like to claim that genres are stupid, are the people that listen to metalcore and deathcore, the two genres most often criticized in metal.  interesting, to say the least....

 
Posted by METAL WAR GOD >:o fuck, the black people left on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:30 PM
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y0b
Kill Babies

 
When people compare you to the likes of At The Gates and In Flames and Soilwork, I simply laugh.  You are an evolved version of all three bands combined, and then some.  Come to fucking Denver.

 
Posted by y0b on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:47 PM
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Crentist
Peter Baker

 

Death metal on life support

By: Peter Baker

Posted: 6/26/06 (from The Oracle)

Outside the House of Blues in Downtown Disney on March 21, it was obvious that some sort of special event about to occur. It isn't every day you go to a place like that and see a flood of long hair and black shirts segregated from tourists wearing fanny packs and cheap sunglasses.

The tourists were only part of the reason why the feeling was awkward, though. We weren't all waiting on the corner of 7th Avenue and 15th Street in Ybor in front of the Masquerade, and once inside, the smell of smoke was virtually nonexistent. It wasn't the kind of venue we were accustomed to. After all, we were on Disney property, waiting in line for the doors to open for the Swedish metal quintet Opeth.

A long time ago, Tampa was bustling with musical creativity and had a strong heavy metal scene. Bands like Obituary, Death, Six Feet Under and Deicide were considered gods of the Tampa metal scene and held international influence. But the scene has taken a turn in the opposite direction.

"The scene 15 years ago was riding the crest of the development of death metal," WMNF DJ Lothax said. "Bands of the time were either already great or on their way to greatness. Fan interest bordered on rabid, making the 'death metal capital' name well deserved."

Every so often, Cacophony: The Metal Underground, a radio show hosted by Lothax every Sunday on WMNF, organizes shows in various parts of the Tampa Bay area in an attempt to provide support for WMNF and local bands. He said in 2004, the attendance at these shows averaged about 60 people, whereas now the average turnout is about 45 people.

So how did the scene dissipate so rapidly? A fair amount of blame can be placed on any number of causes: the lack of good venues, the changing of tastes or your general run-of-the-mill apathy.

Before Feb. 25 of this year, the majority of local and national metal shows were held at the Masquerade. With its closing, shows for many Tampa residents became more inconvenient, since they now had to travel across the bay to the State Theatre or all the way to Orlando to the House of Blues. The chance is slim for a local band to have a decent attendance at any of these places.

Terry Butler (Six Feet Under, Death) believes that this change over the years has a lot to do with its aging audience.

"The scene was cool back then - all the 15-year-old kids went to shows" he said. "Everyone who was young then is older now. They have families and kids and can't make it to shows five nights a week. You have to get the younger kids. Use MySpace and the Internet and flood them."

Another possibility is that tastes have changed, or in some ways, have not evolved in the slightest in the past 15 years.

"Everyone is kind of living in the past and comparing all the new bands to the standard of the old bands," Lothax said. "New bands are all viewed as a rip-off of someone existing rather than having merit in the own right."

That may be true for the "metal core" direction people seem to be going to these days. Meanwhile, older fans of metal that once evolved in Tampa aren't really interested in anything that isn't their favorite old-school band.

"People are stuck in the past and because of that, nobody cares," said Scott Hollingsworth, a computer engineering major and vocalist for the local metal group Malkavian. "And in Tampa, there aren't any young people to market to."

The onward movement of life, the trendy fashions of corporate music and too much nostalgia are the culprits thus far.

"The kids only like what is mainstream and already signed," Lothax said. "If it ain't on MTV or 98 Rock, then it ain't worth supporting."

Within the heart of the scene lie problems, as well. There are enough local bands in Tampa to allow any number of eccentric personalities. The three main band categories are the rock stars, the humble folk and the prima donnas.

The humble folk are generally easy to get along with. They will not complain about playing first or last, they will not hassle the club owner or anyone else in a band.

However, the rock stars and the prima donnas in the scene do as much to destroy it as much as any lack of support can. Many of these guys burn so many bridges they can't walk without falling into the water. Many of these types have the propensity to make forging alliances very difficult, as well. If a band of rock stars feels they have legions of fans and the reality is they don't, they are annoying to those bands that just want to go and play music, but instead must deal with inflated egos.

"They turn people away who are perhaps on the fringes of liking metal," Lothax said. "They aren't hardcore enough fans to overlook the behavior of band guys and they give up the genre entirely after a couple bad experiences and move on to something where the musicians care more about their fans and their shows."

So instead of buying into MTV or Clear Channel, the music fans can support local music and enter a fascinating world with raw talent bursting at the seams. If you manage to overlook a few egos and enjoy a night of music, so much the better, provided that you have the motivation to go somewhere besides Ybor to see a show. Support Tampa metal or any local music and witness an ever-evolving scene of music and eccentric personalities.

To the Metal Community (Corrected)
How the Tampa Metal Scene Might be Revived.**

Twenty years ago, and before then, there was no myspace. There were no cellular phones.  Text messaging was not around. Yet, those were the days that marked Tampa as a haven for metal.  This was the age when Chuck made Death great.  When Deicide and Obituary started slaying us. There's still metal in Tampa, that cannot be disputed. But to me, it seems as if the glory days are no longer and that they are just history, transforming into a golden age myth. It does not have to be so. There are things that we (fans, bands, promoters) might do to keep the scene alive and kicking more than it is, and help all the bands accomplish, what I think, is a well nigh universal goal--the dissemination of the music globally. 

It goes without saying that the core of the scene is the music. So I will skip writing more about that. That said, the next in line are the fans of metal.  I mean, I can sit at home and play with my nuts and create some of the best metal ever. But like a tree falling in the forest with nobody to hear it, will I make a sound? The people that would hear it would not know.  So people hearing the music is essential.  Many of us in the various bands around Tampa have a circle of friends that overlap each other in various ways, like a mutli-circled venn diagram. There's one important note.  Friends.  In many ways, for the fans and bands combined, attendance to shows by fans should be less about the music, but more about supporting the metal community--the people that you (should) care about.  At the very least, it will be a good way to meet new people.  Furthermore, all friends of the bands should bring more friends to the shows, just to support the community.  Face it, if bands have no fans or support, playing shows can become tedious and costly and not to mention lame, since we're just sitting around playing with our dicks not socializing with anyone.  So bring friends, come at the start of the show, hang out, support, and be metal, whether you like the music or not. Because you might not like everything about a person or people, you can still support what they do.

The bands are important too. In human relations, nobody is going to like or even get along with anyone.  One of the most important things we can do as bands is to at least be sociable with each other, whether personal problems are prevalent or not. Think of at as a business/pleasure dichotomy.  This is good, since we have the universal goal, and we are friends with the same people.  One other thing I learned, stemming from my time with Cacophony: The Metal Underground on 88.5fm was this: If you think a band sucks, musically, keep it to yourself. That is not relevant. This shitty band could bring a plethora of people to a show, to allow you to make new friends and gain a wider and more diverse following.  No matter if the band is musically inferior (who are we to judge, anyway?) they are still doing what we all do--playing shows, and busting ass to get somewhere.  So if you think a band sucks, that's fine. But you cannot fault them for essentially doing the same thing we are all doing.  So keep your egos in check, and keep the musical opinion to yourself.  If asked for an honest opinion, then  give it. But be prepared to handle it yourself, as well.

With all this being stated, the next item is a logical flow from everything else.  Promoters, plan shows accordingly.  First off, unless a national act is playing amidst our crowd, think about show scheduling.  I love certain national bands, as we all do. I also love supporting my brothers and sisters within this community.  What's the answer? Don't book local shows when you know the national band is going to get the crowd. The local show will lose money, and this causes the community to suffer.  Be attentive to this.  If you, as promoters, can get  a local act on such a show, power to you, comrade.  It should be that way.  Second, don't book two locals at different places, on the same night, especially if they might click well, and have some of the same following. This is folly. The community becomes divided and suffers.  This means that like all relationships, communication is essential.  It can be done. So do it. And plan accordingly.  This will lead to more united brothers and sisters of metal.  Also, don't be dicks to the bands. They are the reason you exist.  This means fucking them over monetarily, or in any other way.  Because if it happens, you are fucking with a community that doesn't like taking shit from people. And, until the community unites to overthrow the black sheep, the community will suffer as a result of your indiscretion. I have seen this sort of thing happen in the past four years many times in the community.*  So, promoters, unite under one banner for the betterment of the community.

Maybe this is too much of a Marxist idealism I'm espousing. But the beauty of it is, I think it can happen since the community is small and tight. We have the means of communication to make it happen. So instead of distancing ourselves further with this accessibility, let us make Tampa (and then the world) fall under our banner of metal.  Our music is ever changing, so to say that the shit is rehashed and done is erroneous.  We are all unique, striving for a universal goal, and we know the same people. There is no reason Tampa cannot be the haven it once was.


*I think Dimitri (former Boomerz manager) owes Motorhead ten grand (maybe more). But he is gone now.

**Further research has indicated that the above asterisked statement is not true. But, while this instance might not be, other similar things do happen and the think the party mentioned will attest to that. My apologies for faulty digging.

 
Posted by Crentist on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:48 PM
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Crentist
Peter Baker

 
If you give a shit about the scene, read what I have to say.

To the Metal Community (Corrected)
How the Tampa Metal Scene Might be Revived.**

Twenty years ago, and before then, there was no myspace. There were no cellular phones.  Text messaging was not around. Yet, those were the days that marked Tampa as a haven for metal.  This was the age when Chuck made Death great.  When Deicide and Obituary started slaying us. There's still metal in Tampa, that cannot be disputed. But to me, it seems as if the glory days are no longer and that they are just history, transforming into a golden age myth. It does not have to be so. There are things that we (fans, bands, promoters) might do to keep the scene alive and kicking more than it is, and help all the bands accomplish, what I think, is a well nigh universal goal--the dissemination of the music globally. 

It goes without saying that the core of the scene is the music. So I will skip writing more about that. That said, the next in line are the fans of metal.  I mean, I can sit at home and play with my nuts and create some of the best metal ever. But like a tree falling in the forest with nobody to hear it, will I make a sound? The people that would hear it would not know.  So people hearing the music is essential.  Many of us in the various bands around Tampa have a circle of friends that overlap each other in various ways, like a mutli-circled venn diagram. There's one important note.  Friends.  In many ways, for the fans and bands combined, attendance to shows by fans should be less about the music, but more about supporting the metal community--the people that you (should) care about.  At the very least, it will be a good way to meet new people.  Furthermore, all friends of the bands should bring more friends to the shows, just to support the community.  Face it, if bands have no fans or support, playing shows can become tedious and costly and not to mention lame, since we're just sitting around playing with our dicks not socializing with anyone.  So bring friends, come at the start of the show, hang out, support, and be metal, whether you like the music or not. Because you might not like everything about a person or people, you can still support what they do.

The bands are important too. In human relations, nobody is going to like or even get along with anyone.  One of the most important things we can do as bands is to at least be sociable with each other, whether personal problems are prevalent or not. Think of at as a business/pleasure dichotomy.  This is good, since we have the universal goal, and we are friends with the same people.  One other thing I learned, stemming from my time with Cacophony: The Metal Underground on 88.5fm was this: If you think a band sucks, musically, keep it to yourself. That is not relevant. This shitty band could bring a plethora of people to a show, to allow you to make new friends and gain a wider and more diverse following.  No matter if the band is musically inferior (who are we to judge, anyway?) they are still doing what we all do--playing shows, and busting ass to get somewhere.  So if you think a band sucks, that's fine. But you cannot fault them for essentially doing the same thing we are all doing.  So keep your egos in check, and keep the musical opinion to yourself.  If asked for an honest opinion, then  give it. But be prepared to handle it yourself, as well.

With all this being stated, the next item is a logical flow from everything else.  Promoters, plan shows accordingly.  First off, unless a national act is playing amidst our crowd, think about show scheduling.  I love certain national bands, as we all do. I also love supporting my brothers and sisters within this community.  What's the answer? Don't book local shows when you know the national band is going to get the crowd. The local show will lose money, and this causes the community to suffer.  Be attentive to this.  If you, as promoters, can get  a local act on such a show, power to you, comrade.  It should be that way.  Second, don't book two locals at different places, on the same night, especially if they might click well, and have some of the same following. This is folly. The community becomes divided and suffers.  This means that like all relationships, communication is essential.  It can be done. So do it. And plan accordingly.  This will lead to more united brothers and sisters of metal.  Also, don't be dicks to the bands. They are the reason you exist.  This means fucking them over monetarily, or in any other way.  Because if it happens, you are fucking with a community that doesn't like taking shit from people. And, until the community unites to overthrow the black sheep, the community will suffer as a result of your indiscretion. I have seen this sort of thing happen in the past four years many times in the community.*  So, promoters, unite under one banner for the betterment of the community.

Maybe this is too much of a Marxist idealism I'm espousing. But the beauty of it is, I think it can happen since the community is small and tight. We have the means of communication to make it happen. So instead of distancing ourselves further with this accessibility, let us make Tampa (and then the world) fall under our banner of metal.  Our music is ever changing, so to say that the shit is rehashed and done is erroneous.  We are all unique, striving for a universal goal, and we know the same people. There is no reason Tampa cannot be the haven it once was.


*I think Dimitri (former Boomerz manager) owes Motorhead ten grand (maybe more). But he is gone now.

**Further research has indicated that the above asterisked statement is not true. But, while this instance might not be, other similar things do happen and the think the party mentioned will attest to that. My apologies for faulty digging.


Death metal on life support

By: Peter Baker

Posted: 6/26/06 (from The Oracle)

Outside the House of Blues in Downtown Disney on March 21, it was obvious that some sort of special event about to occur. It isn't every day you go to a place like that and see a flood of long hair and black shirts segregated from tourists wearing fanny packs and cheap sunglasses.

The tourists were only part of the reason why the feeling was awkward, though. We weren't all waiting on the corner of 7th Avenue and 15th Street in Ybor in front of the Masquerade, and once inside, the smell of smoke was virtually nonexistent. It wasn't the kind of venue we were accustomed to. After all, we were on Disney property, waiting in line for the doors to open for the Swedish metal quintet Opeth.

A long time ago, Tampa was bustling with musical creativity and had a strong heavy metal scene. Bands like Obituary, Death, Six Feet Under and Deicide were considered gods of the Tampa metal scene and held international influence. But the scene has taken a turn in the opposite direction.

"The scene 15 years ago was riding the crest of the development of death metal," WMNF DJ Lothax said. "Bands of the time were either already great or on their way to greatness. Fan interest bordered on rabid, making the 'death metal capital' name well deserved."

Every so often, Cacophony: The Metal Underground, a radio show hosted by Lothax every Sunday on WMNF, organizes shows in various parts of the Tampa Bay area in an attempt to provide support for WMNF and local bands. He said in 2004, the attendance at these shows averaged about 60 people, whereas now the average turnout is about 45 people.

So how did the scene dissipate so rapidly? A fair amount of blame can be placed on any number of causes: the lack of good venues, the changing of tastes or your general run-of-the-mill apathy.

Before Feb. 25 of this year, the majority of local and national metal shows were held at the Masquerade. With its closing, shows for many Tampa residents became more inconvenient, since they now had to travel across the bay to the State Theatre or all the way to Orlando to the House of Blues. The chance is slim for a local band to have a decent attendance at any of these places.

Terry Butler (Six Feet Under, Death) believes that this change over the years has a lot to do with its aging audience.

"The scene was cool back then - all the 15-year-old kids went to shows" he said. "Everyone who was young then is older now. They have families and kids and can't make it to shows five nights a week. You have to get the younger kids. Use MySpace and the Internet and flood them."

Another possibility is that tastes have changed, or in some ways, have not evolved in the slightest in the past 15 years.

"Everyone is kind of living in the past and comparing all the new bands to the standard of the old bands," Lothax said. "New bands are all viewed as a rip-off of someone existing rather than having merit in the own right."

That may be true for the "metal core" direction people seem to be going to these days. Meanwhile, older fans of metal that once evolved in Tampa aren't really interested in anything that isn't their favorite old-school band.

"People are stuck in the past and because of that, nobody cares," said Scott Hollingsworth, a computer engineering major and vocalist for the local metal group Malkavian. "And in Tampa, there aren't any young people to market to."

The onward movement of life, the trendy fashions of corporate music and too much nostalgia are the culprits thus far.

"The kids only like what is mainstream and already signed," Lothax said. "If it ain't on MTV or 98 Rock, then it ain't worth supporting."

Within the heart of the scene lie problems, as well. There are enough local bands in Tampa to allow any number of eccentric personalities. The three main band categories are the rock stars, the humble folk and the prima donnas.

The humble folk are generally easy to get along with. They will not complain about playing first or last, they will not hassle the club owner or anyone else in a band.

However, the rock stars and the prima donnas in the scene do as much to destroy it as much as any lack of support can. Many of these guys burn so many bridges they can't walk without falling into the water. Many of these types have the propensity to make forging alliances very difficult, as well. If a band of rock stars feels they have legions of fans and the reality is they don't, they are annoying to those bands that just want to go and play music, but instead must deal with inflated egos.

"They turn people away who are perhaps on the fringes of liking metal," Lothax said. "They aren't hardcore enough fans to overlook the behavior of band guys and they give up the genre entirely after a couple bad experiences and move on to something where the musicians care more about their fans and their shows."

So instead of buying into MTV or Clear Channel, the music fans can support local music and enter a fascinating world with raw talent bursting at the seams. If you manage to overlook a few egos and enjoy a night of music, so much the better, provided that you have the motivation to go somewhere besides Ybor to see a show. Support Tampa metal or any local music and witness an ever-evolving scene of music and eccentric personalities.


 
Posted by Crentist on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:48 PM
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Tommy

 
i have been a fan of you guys since you guys came out and between me and my other good friend matt we have gotten alot of people into your music, i saw you guys at the starland ballroom a year or two ago and you guys fuckin kicked ass! you guys seem to be stayin under the radar a little bit and im actually suprised you guys are fucking amazing and your are the dark horse of the new metal scene. Im not big at all into the trendy cliche metal bands, with boring song structures and meaningless yelling, i love the swedish death metal style you guys have brought back to life, and i can see influenced from bands like in flames which is fuckin awesome but you incorporate also other heavier and in your face playing thati also very much enjoy like for example more towards lamb of gods style of playing. dont get me wrong im not saying you guys dont have your own unique thing, you guys really do, nobody in my opinion sounds like you guys and if you can keep shit coming like the lsat album god bless you guys. i mean riders of the plague and dead and gone were just genious, and the last album had a song thati think deserves more attention then it has had and that is I,Deciever. that song fuckin rocked.


AS for this metal scene lately, i think it would be better if some more bands would actually tour the US and i mean the whole US and there should be more festivals and shit here in the states like there is over in europe. It is jus not fuckin fair that europe and even canada gets to see all these bands playing and touring together and have all these awesome festivals while here in the US we dont get shit compared to it. I have felt that since 2006 there has been a severe decline in bands touring the states and i dont get it, and i think its bullshit, there are so many fans dying to fuckin see their favorite metal bands come to life somewhere in their state or to have some awesome lineup for a festival but there is nothing. i LIVe IN NEW JERSEY and for the most part there aint shit lately compared to what there use to be. there could be so much more of a metal fan base buts its like the bands are neglectin the states more and more.




Absence. Please. DO SOMETHING BIG!!
GET A FUCKIN AWESOME LINEUP AND TOURE THE FUCKIN STATES< MAKE EVERY CITY HEAR YOUR HEART AND SOULS THAT YOU PUT INTO YOUR MUSIC

AND PLEASE DONT FORGET YOUR LOVING FANS IN NJ



 
Posted by Tommy on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:48 PM
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Martin
Martin Maiden

 
I feel what ive always felt..

Real metal lives on,
trends DIE.



 
Posted by Martin on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 9:52 PM
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Reggie

 
I personally think scene people fuckin suck!!!! I really can't say anything because people like what they like. I have been my own person ever since i was 11 years old. I was raised around country music,pop, and other stupid shit that i could just not get into but was still forced at my brain. When i heard hard music(METAL) for the first time was on a cassette tape made by a next door neighbor. The very first song was "SINNER" by JUDAS PRIEST!!!!!! I dont have the cassette anymore because i wore it the fuck out,but i remember almost everything that was on it. I have been a fuckin METALHEAD eversince!!!! Ever since that tape was in my player,i wanted to go to music stores and find all that shit that was on it and buy it. The only place i could go was the fuckin mall at the time,but i wanted metal and i was going to get it. Over the years my knowledge and love for METAL grew and has never stopped. When i got a few years older,i walked,and took the bus to go get my fix of metal!!!!!! I have been going to shows since 1986 and my concert count is now at 164 major shows. I had a cassette tape collection that exceeded 400 and then when CDs came out started to collect them even though i didn't have a cd player at the time. I still remenber the first cd i ever bought.....it was MOTORHEAD's "ROCK n ROLL" and then the very next day was BLACK SABBATH's "Master of Reality". I guess my point is i have never and or seen another true metalhead give in or budge from the music we love so much and that we would sell our fondist personal shit,qiut our jobs,and fuckin give blood just to see a show!!!!!!!! Metal has always been there for me and i will always support the fuckin shit out it!!!!!!!
Maybe that's why i have "METAL TILL DEATH" Tattooed on my leg!!!!!! Anyway...that's me in a nut shell.
THE ABSCENCE......these guys fuckin kick ass!!!!!!! BUY THEIR SHIT FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!

 
Posted by Reggie on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 10:47 PM
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Kemps Paytons and NBA Jams
Will Anderson

 
You guys are fucking awesome. Come to Seattle. I think that The Absence sits in its own unique genre. A lot of the "Metal" bands today are really terrible "nu-metal" bands that have no talent whatsoever, The Absence on the other hand is unique and doesn't follow the stereotypical "metal" fads, scenes, and trends, but instead they combine melodic guitar with death metal screams and intuitive drums and bass to create THE ABSENCE. As The Absence would say, "We are your masters now!"

 
Posted by Kemps Paytons and NBA Jams on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 10:47 PM
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♫♪mike♪♫
Michael Mora

 
I think you guys need to tour more! Your music is just sick! Im tired of hearing all off those stupid ass breakdowns! Its way too simple and boring! Idk why people like them so much! I quit my band because that's all they wanted to do! I need technical riff and shredding on my music, you guys should come out to vegas and show these "chun chun" fuckers what real music is like!
 
Posted by ♫♪mike♪♫ on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 10:47 PM
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Pedro
Pedro Salgado Jr.

 
first i would like to state that i am a fan of music though i prefer listening to metal. Ive been listening to metal for about 7 years now, and im still getting into new bands, through shows and friends not through magazines, metal mags are expensive not to mention that you notice its the same bands on the covers, or deathcore/ hardcore. I cant stand those bands they have turned metal into a joke as far as people who dont listen to the genre/sub-genres. I've played behemoth and someone told me to turn down my shitty hardcore. Others have told me that Death is emo. Fads, tredns and scences mess with the genre. Or posers will see me wearing a tour shirt lets say dimmu borgir for example, he will ask me if i listen to other "death" metal bands like disturbed, korn, slipknot or icp, i hate two out of the four and the others are just rock to me, then ill trow some names like enslaved, 1349, or behemoth, and theyll look at me and say that he only listens to underground music. People just need to educate themselves before they look like fools to fans. I say that if the band is good people will follow, if a band is shitty it will be a fad then die out.

 
Posted by Pedro on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 10:47 PM
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Dustynn the Wind
Dustynn Mullens

 
its not about dressing up, its about making music that taps into your emotions....its about being possessed with the drums and turning almost tribal with screams when you hear the guitar screaming at you. Its supposed to be a relationship of you and the music, appearance is to be second hand and second thought. but today bands are more worried about their hair and what shirt they are wearing rather than the production of metal mania they should be unleashing upon the world. in my eyes bands like you guys are whats keeping the metal music alive and kicking keep up what u are doing and you will continue to have my support spiritually, mentally, and financially.



                                                    -Dustynn Mullens  

 
Posted by Dustynn the Wind on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 10:47 PM
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NattyMus Prime
Nate Daguman

 
There's flaws with the fans of all types of music, ESPECIALLY extreme music.  People are too busy judging other people because they listen to Hardcore, or Deathcore, or whatever.  The same people that are doing that are trying to wear Emperor t shirts so that they can feel like they are elite.  People need to stop being judgemental and start being open minded and letting people do what they want. 

Yeah, I know the hardcore/deathcore/screamo/whatever-core scene attracts a lot of plastic fanaticism.  I know there are kids sporting Bring Me The Horizon shirts just because they think it makes them look cool in front of their friends.  But I know this because I am a fan of Hardcore (Terror, Madball, Ghost inside, STYG, Lionheart, CDC, etc.) and even a little deathcore (though, I agree that a lot of it is generic and over saturated) and I actually go to these shows.  But if supposed "Metalheads" knew what they were talking about, they would know that not everyone that is into that stuff is a "poser" or just wants to "look cool".  Sure, hardcore dancing may look kinda goofy and weird, but not everyone does it because they wanna be apart of a trend or a fad.  They do it because thats how they express themselves to the music.  Its apart of the hardcore culture.  Im not gonna lie, I do it when I see hardcore bands.  I dont do it so that people will like me or to be apart of some flock, I do it because its an outlet for getting my aggressions out and thats just what I enjoy and if you wanna treat me like shit because of what I GENUINELY like, then fuck you.  Dont go to the shows, nobody is forcing you to go or even listen to those bands so just dont let it bother you.

People just need to realize that there is NO right or wrong in music.  If one type of music speaks to someone else and its totally different than what speaks to you, then so be it.  ITs not your place to preach to people about how your music is better than theirs.  sure, you are entitled to your opinion, I have my own opinions on certain bands, but that doesn't give you the right to be an asshole, because that really doesn't get out society anywhere.

and I'll just say it again, I know that there are scene kids that dont even give a shit about the music that they supposedly support.  I know they just want to be able to wear a t shirt and act hard, but I just want people to realize that there ARE actually people that aren't like that.  I mean, come on.  There are metalheads that do the exact same fuckin thing.  I've seen it, I've gone to as many metal shows as I have hardcore shows, and its there.

so just think about it next time.... does this kid that wears Devil Wears Prada shirts around all the time, really have ANY effect on my life?

just get the fuck over your false feeling of superiority, and just get on with life.  If that kid truly likes Devil wears prada, then let him.  I'm not really into their sound personally, but Im not gonna be assholes to people that actually enjoy their music. and if that kid is just posin', then again, let him.  Who fuckin cares.  Im not saying it doesn't look rediculous on his part but its not worth it to let it bother me.

thats my opinion, and people can choose to agree with it or not.  I dont care

 
Posted by NattyMus Prime on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 10:47 PM
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Master Alchemist of Dog Biscuitry

 
genius
 
Posted by Master Alchemist of Dog Biscuitry on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 3:36 PM
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Screams of Winter

 
You win completely. You are awesome!
 
Posted by Screams of Winter on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 12:25 AM
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Fleshgrinder ╬H.M.A.╬

 
I think some of the bands should be hung by the fucking neck for selling out to their true fans, just to make more money. In example of bands that should die: Slipknot, Cradle of Filth (They need to have a brutal death... fucking posers trying to make Black Metal), Disturbed is just flat out gay and needs to be skinned alive, Bullet For My Valentine (Just hearing that name reminds me of an emo band trying to play what they think is metal), etc. etc. etc.

Also these DEATHCORE bands are starting to piss me the fuck off!!! Who the fuck mixes Death Metal and Hardcore??? That person is a fucking idot, because TRUE DEATH METAL and hardcore don't mix... Fucking karate kicking two-stepping motherfuckers in a circle pit. In the words of Skwisgaar Skwigelf "Theys are a bunch of idoit DILDOS."

Christian metal bands need to take a fucking hike!!! Metal is about freedom from governments, religions, and the mainstream, and since when is god brutal and dark? Anyone???

I give up on magizines. The only one I read was Revolver, and half of every issue is about bands I could give a fuck less about. I would read it for the album reviews, but they don't even post albums that are amazing, like BLOODBATH's 'The Fathomless Mastery' which is my favorite album of all time.

Now, on a positive side...

You guys need to make a new album, because you guys are awesome, and you need to tour!!! Cannibal Corpse is always great, I can't wait for the new Behemoth album, Vader's new album, Nile's new album, Belphegor's new album, the next Dethklok album... lets just face it, Death Metal, Thrash Metal and Black Metal are going to kick the shit out of hip hop, pop, and all the shit music all over the world, and Metal will reign supreme!!!

Vedios are awesome, because I only watch the ones I want to watch.

That what I have to say, so I hope you guys stay Metal and I'll keep my horns in the air!!

~Fleshgrinder

 
Posted by Fleshgrinder ╬H.M.A.╬ on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 10:47 PM
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