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Age: 99
Sign: Cancer

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State: Michigan
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Friday, October 03, 2008 
This is one of those social commentaries that is going to offend some people, including, possibly, those that I admire for facing their addictions and dependencies head on.
Here goes:
I understand that to make one's recovery from drug and/or alcohol addiction easier, one must not lurk about in the same evil social circles that enabled the addiction in the first place. Kinda like 'He's not a bad kid, he just fell in with the wrong crowd".
I understand that the cult of recovery is based on admitting powerlessness, but isn't it over a substance and not other human beings?????
Is it necessary to completely sever ties?????? As in-No phone calls, no texts (arguably the most sterile,nonchalant form of human communication ever), nothing.
I happen to have a little background here. A member of my band was a recovering alcoholic. He lived with drunks, he played music about being drunk in front of drunks and he didn't drink. Because he realized it was HIS problem, not the rest of the world's.HE dealt with it, and played music for his love of music, in a chaotic sea of beer, whiskey, pot smoke and more. Because he realized that by abstaining, he was in charge of his own destiny.
The cult of 12 Steps, which is arguably the best way to recover from an addiction- a process that lasts a lifetime if you are a believer-not only does'nt have a great success rate,it holds as a tenet that relapse is almost inevitable. Not only are you powerless, now that you have taken that brave step, you're gonna fuckin' fail any higherpowerdamned way.
I cared for,cooked for,cleaned for,fixed for,read for-yep, read her to sleep on numerous occasions- this troubled person and then,on only my second out of town weekend of the summer, she decides to drink herself bloody, taken by ambulance to Beaumont and who doesn't merit a phone call from motherfucking Maplegrove ??, ME.
"I can't talk to you anymore, you drink". I'm to blame. It's like Robin Williams slamming Matt Damon's head against the wall and saying "It's ALL your fault".
I was thinking of changing my profile image, drawn by the incomparable Chopper, (in case any of you would like your likeness preserved in infamy), but now I think I'll keep it. Cheers to those who recognize their OWN problems. Cheers to those who beat the fuck out of people that cause them problems. Cheers to people who are accountable for their behavior, and a giant fuck you to the largely unsuccessful "recovery cult" that encourages people to abandon their loved ones in search of a sober pasture in which they've already been told they're gonna step in cowshit.

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BEN
Sixhundred Sixtysix

 
Cheers to that. motherfuckers.
 
Posted by BEN on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 6:12 PM
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carrie

 
I agree AA is just another cult. Alcoholism runs in my family, by AA's standards I am an alcoholic, anyone who even THINKS about drinking is apparently...My favorite Aunt, used to joke about going to AA meetings overflowing with people chain-smoking and drinking bad coffee...(Then going to the BAR AFTERWARDS...) Those sorry suckers in AA have simply traded their addiction to alcohol with an addiction to coffee, cigarettes and bullshit!...what's the fucking difference?
 
Posted by carrie on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 6:34 PM
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B-Hoff Detroit (Blood and Soil Libertarian)

 
hmmm...maybe i should go to AA to meet people with similar interests and hobbies

Cheers!!
 
Posted by B-Hoff Detroit (Blood and Soil Libertarian) on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 6:44 PM
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B-Hoff Detroit (Blood and Soil Libertarian)

 
damn that's fucked up...and your largely right when you call that a cult...I can understand staying out of the red zones but cutting off ties with family, friends, loved ones seems pretty insane.........

...best of luck!
 
Posted by B-Hoff Detroit (Blood and Soil Libertarian) on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 6:43 PM
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REV. BILLY ZEBUBBA☠KNUCK-N-FUTZ PRODUCTIONS
BIlly ZEbubba

 
CHEERS INDEED!!!!
 
Posted by REV. BILLY ZEBUBBA☠KNUCK-N-FUTZ PRODUCTIONS on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 7:25 PM
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Jim Edwards

 
Now wait a second, Chief! Come to think of it, I NEVER drank or snorted coke till I went to an ALD show. Go fuck yourself you enabling son-of-a-bitch!

Hi, my name is Jim E., and I'm an asshole. Got a recovery plan for that?
 
Posted by Jim Edwards on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 8:42 PM
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Invader Zins
Amanda Zins

 
Dude. That's fucked up. Sure, my sobriety is due to my other health problems, but shit, the only time I run into you is at bars. For that matter, if I ditched all the people I know because I miss beer (and I do miss it from time to time) and they can still drink it, I wouldn't have but one or two friends left.

Fuck that bullshit. Go enjoy a cold one for me.
 
Posted by Invader Zins on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 10:04 PM
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Tommygun
Tom Lucas

 
Jimmy,

I cannot help but respond to this one...I will be celebrating my 5 year anniversary in about two weeks. If it wasn't for AA or NA, I never would have made it.

What's going on with your friend right now is the standard confusion that people feel when they first get clean. Your emotions and thoughts run wild, and it's easy to make decisions that aren't fully thought out and might seem selfish or irrational. My advice here is to just sit back and let your friend deal with it. It will take a while for your friend to level out and in time, you will have them back. Just let them figure it out, and don't make their recovery about you right now.

The 12 steps are a blueprint for becoming an accountable and healthy person. But it takes time and a lot of work to get it all done. Addiction is a bitch, and the recovery rate is terrible. Many do relapse, but that has little to do with AA or any other support group. Addiction is just that tough to beat no matter what approach you take. Not everyone has the steel to get it done.

I know that your words are fueled by the emotional pain this situation has caused, but do know that AA is not a cult. It doesn't ask an individual to give up their worldly belongings or go live on a compound. The door is always open, and that is both ways. There is nothing to keep you in the rooms but your own free will. I see that many of your friends think it's a cult as well, and that is fine. Unless you are in recovery, you have no responsibility towards understanding how recovery works. However, I think it's best if only those who have experience speak to it.

The concept of powerlessness is misunderstood by many. Basically it just means that a person can't put themselves at risk because addiction will take you out. It's not the last car in a train that kills you, it's the first. In the early stages of recovery, this means really being careful, but once you have time under your belt, it shouldn't be limiting.

It's also true that addiction jumps from one thing to another. It is a classified mental illness, and the obsessive/compulsive aspect of it is practically unstoppable. For those that comment to this blog who can have a beer and not try to pawn half their house an hour later, I'm envious. But don't be so judgmental towards those who can't. .

Give it time, time does heal all. Of this, I speak from experience.
 
Posted by Tommygun on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 10:10 PM
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Lynne

 
Hi Jimmy, I've run into you over the years via the Generals, Gangster Fun, Mike Ford and Yvette, etc. etc, and i just saw you in a local film at the R.O. Theatre a few weeks ago!

This blog caught my eye, I just had to post that I wish my ex-husband could have believed in AA (or any other recovery process for that matter) but he can't because he died last year of a combo of alcoholic liver disease and coronary artery disease at 46. And yes it was because he couldn't stop. I'd give anything for him to be going to meetings or spouting his powerlessness, or hanging out with AA'ers. It's really hard to read some of these comments, but I know that unless you have firsthand experience living with addiction, either within yourself or a significant famly member, it's easy to go after AA, but for a lot of people, it's what has kept them from using, and that truly is the most important thing in some of their lives. Yes, your friend probably isn't at a good place yet, but she will be, hopefully.
 
Posted by Lynne on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 3:17 AM
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Kr!st!na
Kristina Gilder

 
Since your firend Tommygun down there wants to say that only people who have experience with it should talk about it-there's no one better than me. I have plenty. Was raised by an alcoholic father, my mom is addicted to various things,but is in denial and thinks its okay because they come from her doctor, and even after my sister died of a heroin overdose, leaving a 7 month old without a mother- I still couldn't stop using heroin myself. So as someone who has been an addict, and also been through the recovery process, I feel I have the right to talk about it. And honestly, NA/AA- any of the groups that are "friends" of Bill W. ARE cults. It works for some, and kudos to them,but in my experience the places where those people came together were THE BIGGEST red zones that I came across. Half the people came to the meetings drunk or high, and thats real fun to sit and watch while you're trying to abstain, most are only there as a condition of probation,or drug court,not because they have any interest in cleaning up their act. So, if you made it through the meetings without wanting to run directly to the nearest dopehouse or bar-hey! you dont even have to because somebody in the parking lot will offer you anything under the sun. The one thing I will agree with him on is the fact that once her head is on straight,she will be back. Jimmy- if you had the kind of relationship like you say you did, given all that you have seen her through she will want and need you in her life again. Friends like that are rare and precious, and a day will come, no matter how long it may take,where she realizes what she's missing, and want it back. She just has to learn how to cope with her addiction first. Other than that- I agree with everything your other friend Invader Zins had to say...And it is possible for you to recover enough to be able to have people in your life that don't have your newly found sober lifestyle. It's all about willpower,and balance.
 
Posted by Kr!st!na on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 8:46 PM
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Dan T
Dan Thomson

 
You are absolutely correct regarding the "cult" bit. There is definitely a better way.
 
Posted by Dan T on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 4:47 PM
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Tommygun
Tom Lucas

 
Nothing like the topic of addiction to get a good discussion going. Addiction kills people everyday.

Sounds like Krissy has had more than her fair share of the carnage it brings. I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree.

The programs are like anything else where people are involved. You can find a solution to your problem or you can find ways to make it worse. If you are going to meetings where most people are not serious about recovery and there is drug activity, then you are going to the wrong meetings. I have been going to meetings for 5 years and I have NEVER seen that. NOT ONCE. Where the hell were these meetings you were going to? It sounds to me like you had a bad experience with the programs. I have not had that, and I am sorry that you did.

When people speak of NA and AA as cults, I think that it is dangerous. It can keep people out and using, and they can and often will die as a result. You may wish to consider this the next time you talk about the programs to someone seeking help. You may unintentionally kill them. You may already have.

And what criteria are we using when we call it a cult? Meetings and the programs offer tools that an addict can use in daily life to stay clean. It costs nothing, and there is no one but you to keep you there. It is NOT a cult, it's a support group. We're not talking about Scientology here.

The bottom line is that addiction sucks and anyone who gets clean any way that they can - much respect.
 
Posted by Tommygun on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 7:49 PM
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Julie
Julie Pevos Sias

 
Jimmy,
I love you darling but honestly what the fuck!!!!!! This is what your friend needs to do at this point to stay alive. She is medically fragile and drinking is poison for her. It's as simple as that. I know you are hurting but you need to support her decision, whatever path she needs to take at this time to stay alive. Call me if you want to talk about it,
Love.
Julie
 
Posted by Julie on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 3:10 AM
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GROMMET

 
If the program works for some people, then good for them. My problem is court-ordered twelve step attendance. Although it's masked in euphemism, they are talking about a monotheistic god (or God) at those meetings. As a pagan, I would have a hard time keeping my mouth shut if some judge ordered me to attend what is, in effect, state mandated religious indoctrination. Happened to to someone I used to be close to and it definitely fucked him up more than it helped. He met a whole slew of new enabling drinking buddies who, like himself, were only there to fulfill a legal obligation, not to get well. It helped him not at all and I don't think the sincere attendees were well served either.
Dustin
 
Posted by GROMMET on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 9:23 AM
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Tommygun
Tom Lucas

 
Both programs specify that you need a higher power in your life. Neither NA or AA tells you what that higher power is to be. It is strictly up to you. A higher power can simply be your support group, it does not even have to have any kind of "godness" about it. If you went to a meeting where they told you to follow a particular religion, then you went to a fucked up meeting.

Both AA and NA are non-religious programs and no where in the literature or the meetings do they support any one belief system. You can happily be a pagan. My first sponsor was a Cherokee indian who only believed in the "Great Mystery" and spirit animals.

The nature of the alcoholic/addict is a destructive one in the end, both towards themselves and others, and if you don't really want to be clean and sober, then certainly you won't be.

I agree that court-mandated attendence is not a good thing. The people who are forced to go to meetings aren't going to get anything out of them. I really like your point about how in the end, it doesn't help anyone, even those that are serious about attending.
 
Posted by Tommygun on Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 1:17 PM
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Dan T
Dan Thomson

 
AA changes the meaning of certain words, then strings those words into justification and bumper sticker slogans with altered, loaded meanings. The U.S. military has deemed it UNCONSTITUTIONAL to require AA as specific treatment, as they recognize it for the religious institution it is. If you don't believe me, try going if you are an atheist, agnostic, or Buddist (or a non-smoker for that matter). I was forced to attend not for alcoholism, but for a driving violation. AA is oppressive to my free will; taking responsibility for my actions is empowerment. Michigan is one of the nuttier AA states, by the way.

A person should do whatever they have to in order to keep their shit together and treat people decently, but I think It's really about time we all evolve beyond dogma. I'm tired of my world getting fucked by people who base civic decisions on religious interpretation. Or "spiritual" if that's your cover.

By the way, this would be the perfect time to tell you that Todd, Stevie, Glynn, and I will play Detroit in June 2009. No venue or date set, but I'm hoping for Friday the 12th. It was Todd's idea.
 
Posted by Dan T on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 4:40 PM
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Tommygun
Tom Lucas

 
I have never been a fan of AA bumper stickers, either. Again, there is no promotion of any one belief system/religion in the program. It is only defined by the individual. I am happy to be a solid agnostic and I have no conflicts in the program.

As for the U.S. military, they also are intolerant of homosexuals and have a long running tradition of racism in their ranks. Besides, how much solid judgment has the U.S. military provided us historically. And last I checked, the military has no legislative power and is not in the position to deem anything unconstitutional or otherwise.

However, I agree with you about religious dogma. Organized religion has justified the murder of millions over the centuries and has little merit in my eyes.
 
Posted by Tommygun on Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 1:23 PM
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Jimmy Doom™
Jimmy Doom

 
Right the fuck on. Does this mean I don't have to give up anything for "Dan HaLent" ?
 
Posted by Jimmy Doom™ on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 6:40 PM
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Dan T
Dan Thomson

 
Nice. I guess HaLent is a time to give up giving shit up. I'm Dan Halen, and I approve this blog comment.
 
Posted by Dan T on Friday, November 07, 2008 - 5:35 PM
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FART

 
it's a fucked up situation.....LIFE that is not addiction/sobriety or what the fuck ever. each of us has to live our lives the way we see fit, and do what we deem nessicary to achive what/where we want in life.

personally i agree with the majority here. AA i (that's I, as in for me-and my life.) feel is a cult. anyone can phrase it anyway they want as far as "HIGHER POWER" dosen't mean GOD. what the fuckever....it means god..the fuckin book says god some 10 thousand higherpowerdamm times! i will however say that AA did help me, when i needed it. helped me get my head on straight, my thoughts understandable...and most importantly get the drugs outta my system for ounce.

it is however for me....not something i could do for the rest of my life. i'm not gonna "bash" the program with everything i didn't/don't like about it....(mainly it would take to long, and really, the opions are all arguementitive and really not the issue.)....simply just say that it wasn't for me! that's not to say the it's not for someone else. obviously for our friend tommy gunn it is a program that has/does work for him. it has helped him live (that in it's self is many times an accomplishment) a healthier, well balanced life. FUCKIN KUDOS TO YOU! p.s. i truely mean that.

however, back to my orginal thought. we can truely only control our own lives, people will do things around us/about us/with us/ and to us that we don't like, or agree with. but it's not up to us to choose the paths on which they walk. yes we can give all the advice we want. but ultimaltly it's up to that individual!

if you think AA/NA or (insert witty support group name for somethin really trivial, here.) is a waste of time/joke/cult...then don't fuckin go! if it works for you, and you're happy.....more fuckn power to ya.

YES jimmy i agree, it's a fucked up situation. i'm sorry you've been hurt in such a way. personally i think it's really shitty the way you are bein treated.....but again it is her life and she has to do what she feels is right. also it's not right for you to compare anyone else's life with anyones else's. what worked for one (or what he was able to be around...etc..) dosen't mean it will work for others! and that statement is a two way street. and that's my biggest problem with AA....the attitude that this is the way..the only way..and with out it you will die!
 
Posted by FART on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 10:27 PM
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Tommygun
Tom Lucas

 
Best summary yet. Nice Fart!
 
Posted by Tommygun on Thursday, October 16, 2008 - 8:25 PM
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Jools
Julie Fournier

 
Glad to know you support "those who beat the fuck out of people that cause them problems". I *knew* you were a cool cat!
 
Posted by Jools on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 2:31 AM
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shawn wu

 
Well said.
 
Posted by shawn wu on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 6:44 AM
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Chris Detroit, Drummer

 
I have those 12step cultists right across the street 4 nights a week and the enabling church won't let them smoke inside so they stand outside in groups of 10-20 and spew their tobacco stench in the direction of my house.

Some summer nights, it's worse than being at Gus'.......except the 12step girls are generally sluttier.
 
Posted by Chris Detroit, Drummer on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 1:34 AM
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Jimmy Doom™
Jimmy Doom

 
Hehehehe...worst open mic poetry night.I like that. I think the coffee's cheaper at AA though.
 
Posted by Jimmy Doom™ on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 7:04 AM
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Chopper

 
i am incomparable as well as hung like a fucking donkey TIME FOR SHAMELESS PLUS: (more Jimmy art at www.peshkepia.com).
 
Posted by Chopper on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 8:05 PM
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Jimmy Doom™
Jimmy Doom

 
Shameless P-L-U-------"G"
 
Posted by Jimmy Doom™ on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 8:11 PM
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Mike
Michael Lemmen

 
Good post. I didn't read every bit of the responses below, but I'll weigh in anyways. Hi, my name is Mike, and I'm an asshole. I've never had a specific substance addiction, but I've always had problems in life. I've tried therapy, psychic readings and training, EFT, and a lot of others. I did try doing the proactive 12 step program. It helped at the time, but mostly it was the moral inventory that helped me. Just being horribly honest with myself. After that I was able to do some soul searching, and some journaling, and suddenly a shitload of my problems are gone! Maybe it was all of the therapy that opened me up. I dunno. I do know that for the last month I've been getting along with my wife, and it's changed my world. Now I'm just dealing with the anxiety of wondering when the other shoe will drop. Kinda like Post-Assoholic-Stress-Disorder.
 
Posted by Mike on Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 5:20 AM
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Saucey!
Dresden Wulf

 

 
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