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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK



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Age: 33
Sign: Scorpio

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State: GEORGIA
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Tuesday, April 15, 2008 

Current mood:  cynical
Category: Blogging

My Two Pennies: "I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T." from AUC Magazine Mar. 2008

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"I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T. - Do You Know What That Mean, Mane?"

By now, I know you all have heard (and is probably tired of) Webbie's catchy jingle, "I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T." and it's accompanying video that concludes with a Black woman becoming President of the United States and putting an end to all of the world's major problems. Far-fetched? Very. Good message? No doubt! I find the song very refreshing amongst other tunes that pollute the airwaves these days.

Over the past few decades, we have witnessed numerous other tunes that have become "Women's Anthems" in Hip Hop as well as other genres of music. I think this is fantastic. However, in my opinion, the true meaning and message in these songs usually goes over the heads of the general public and is misconstrued. For some reason, the phrase "independent woman" has erroneously transformed into "I Don't Need A Man." I'm sorry ladies, but that's bullshyt!!

A lot of women wear the badge of "independent woman" with pride when in actuality, they ONLY claim that title by default. Let's face it, men sometimes drop the ball in relationships, thus FORCING the female to be independent and provide for themselves and their children. They have no choice. Trust me, if you had a good man who held up his end of the bargain, you would not be beating your chest bragging about your independent status. Basically, you made a poor decision in choosing a man and put yourself in that predicament.

On another hand, you have women who are educated, financially stable, and can honestly do for themselves who throw around that title. Whoopity Do. You want a cookie? You're SUPPOSE to be able to provide for yourself if you're grown - be it man or woman. I liken that ideology to men who want "brownie points" for raising their damn kids. You don't get extra credit for these things people.

But getting back to the music...

My brother recently asked me if I felt like Beyonce was contradictory in making a song like "Bills Bills Bills", which most considered an ode to golddiggers, and then turn around and make ditties such as "Independent Woman" and "Upgrade You". I explained to him that the lyrics are not conflicting because "Bills Bills Bills" is not about a girl who's just looking for a man to pay her bills. If you listen, you'll discover it's about a female who's tired of her man running up her bills (phone bill, gas bill, car note, etc.) and not putting in. Therefore, the lyrics coincide with those of the other tunes I mentioned. Most women took the song the same way my brother did though and interpreted as a man needs to pay the woman's bill. Not true.

I remember around this time last year, damn near every chick with a myspace page had "Upgrade You" as their profile song or quote. However, many ladies are incapable of upgrading shyt. Flossing their sassy ass attitude, they missed the key elements of which Ms. Knowles was saying. Let's take a look...

Beyonce: "Taking care of home and still fly / That's a good look / I can help you build up your account / That's a good look..."

Translation: Real women take care of their home (read: their man and children).

Beyonce: "Anything you cop, I'll split the bill."

Translation: None needed...that's self-explanatory.

Beyonce: "It's very seldom that you're blessed to find your equal / Still play my part and let you take the lead role / Believe me, I'll follow, this could be easy / I'll be your help whenever you need me / I see you hustle, with my hustle, I can keep you / focused on your focus, I can feed you"

Meaning: In one verse, Ms. Knowles basically explains how relationships SHOULD work and how they can work. Everybody should just play their role.

The bottom line is, with the "I don't need a man" attitude, our families will continue its downward spiral in the era of baby daddies/mamas and poor child-rearing practices. Being able to provide for yourself should be the norm, not a title that's used to exhibit cockiness and vanity. Ladies, just remember that independent means SELF-contained, SELF-governing, SELF-sufficient, and SELF-supporting. But when taken overboard, you'll only find yourSELF by YOURSELF.

my two pennies...

Kim

 
WOW DAMON I"LL BE BACK,
 
Posted by Kim on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 3:33 PM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
I'll wait...lol.
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 4:27 PM
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true indeed bro. i agree 100% i see the chick in the club king konging it cause independent came on . comon real women dont use a title to show there bigger and dont need a man we all sometimes need eachother thats where the 50/50 law comes into play. the rest you broke down if they dont understand. they just lost dying independent and lonely is a bad way to go swallow your pride !
 
Posted by ® Citi® Download previncible on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 4:16 PM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
RIGHT!!
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 4:27 PM
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Gregory
Greg F

 
Great points in breaking down Bey's verses. I also think you hit the nail on the head with the "don't need a man" attitude further degrading the role of a solid family...

Good women, as well as good men are out there. It's just the club and venues of such are not the places to meet them. I'll be the first to admit that when Im out in the club Im not looking for Mrs. Right, Im just looking for Ms. Right-now...



Well, that's where you messed up, son, you can't go to no bar to find a nice woman. You gotta go to a nice place, a quiet place like a library, there's good women there and 'erm, church, they're good girls.


 
Posted by Gregory on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 4:50 PM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
Hahahaha...church being the the right place to meet folks?? That CAN be the right place if it works. JUST like a bar or club can be also...to each his own. It's all about the interaction that you have OUTSIDE of said club. That's when you really get a feel for the person...
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 6:31 PM
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Kiki STORM... Director

 
Well impressed with this and your opinion. Matter fact your opinion is more of a fact. Even with the fact that Beyonce sung those songs and it may sound like she is contradicting herself, if we really think about it and look in to, not all artist write their own songs and some only take songs because the record label or themselves know it will be a hit. Its not something they (artist) have to believe in to sing. I mean out of all these rappers out here now, who is telling the truth. They all have a story to tell and majority of the time its the same damn story. They have either stole, killed someone, sold drugs, or want to talk bad about females and call them hoes and bitches, but the question is how many have really done what they rap?. There aren't a lot of artist out here today that are just original with their work. Anyways I truly agree with you in everything you said and as much of an independent person I believe I am, I still know that I need a man. I work for what I want on my own and I know if my man left me or one was never there, I'm strong enough to survive on my own and I think thats what makes an independent woman.
 
Posted by Kiki STORM... Director on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 5:24 PM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
Beyonce's NOT being contradictory really if you look at the lyrics and look at what is written.
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 7:14 PM
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Kiki STORM... Director

 
Wait..... referring to this line
"Well, that's where you messed up, son, you can't go to no bar to find a nice woman. You gotta go to a nice place, a quiet place like a library, there's good women there and 'erm, church, they're good girls."


Now, I totally disagree with that statement made. I am a damn good person and I fight for what I want and is respectful, loving and caring, and educated. I was raised right and I was raised without a father, but don't get it twisted. I am not a statistic and I don't hate men or walk around thinking that men are all bad, but I came across some. Now I only said that because I love going out and having fun. I'm going to be honest I've been to clubs more then I've been to church in my life time and libraries put together. So saying you can't go to a bar to find a nice woman is wrong. Now This year I been going to church at least once or twice a month, trying to be better, but I can tell you right now, the same girl you see at church thats "good" was at the club the night before. Don't be so quick to think that bar/club girls aren't good enough for to Mrs. Right!
 
Posted by Kiki STORM... Director on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 5:38 PM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
KiKi, you're missin' the point. THERE IS NO RIGHT PLACE to meet someone. Period.

The subject of my post is REALLY just about us needing each other. i.e. MEN and WOMEN creating WONDERFUL things together...women shouldn't have an attitude like "I Don't Need A Man". That's what i have a problem with...
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 7:24 PM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
That's What's Up....
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 9:08 PM
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T.MILLS

 
CHUUCH!!!
 
Posted by T.MILLS on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 8:23 PM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
TABERNACKLE!!!!
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 9:09 PM
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Kiki STORM... Director

 
See now you done took what I said wrong. I am agreeing with you all that on both comments you made to what I said. But yeah the whole point is is what you said is so true and both men and females don't see it that way.
 
Posted by Kiki STORM... Director on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 1:29 AM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
I gotcha...
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 7:23 PM
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LINK

 
My Man!!!!!!!!!

Damon
You never cease to amaze me!

I appreciate what you have written. I am of the belief that a little more of the cause of the
problem is based with us (men) and our behavior. That attitude and a lot of other things that you mentioned are a reaction to us and what we do or have been made to do by "outside" forces.

With that being said

I would like to say need is a fact of life for both men and women.
Women should not feel ashamed or weak to agree that they need men.
Men should not feel ashamed or weak to agree that they need women!
Men and Women are both incomplete and born in need of each other. If that were not
true then we wouldn't incline heavily toward one another.
It's not society or tradition there really is a real legitimate need of one for the other. Nothing would solidify Male Female relationships that have been going on since the history of men and women. And here's a newsflash that need is not solely based on financial support or sexual relation.
We are each other's missing piece that causes the other partner to grow into the man and woman we are supposed to become.

Anyway

Enough about that

When we gon get the Sean Bell case and verdict according to D. Thomas
Put that in the AUC mag.

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LINK
 
Posted by LINK on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 1:05 AM
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Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK

 
Just go to my2cents-sense.blogspot.com and check out "Either They Don't Know...Don't Show...part TWO" for my take on the Sean Bell verdict.
 
Posted by Damon of President Thomas Forbes aka MONK on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 8:11 PM
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