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Gender: Male
Status: Single
Age: 25
Sign: Taurus

City: Lehi
State: Utah
Country: US
Signup Date: 10/27/2005
Tuesday, April 22, 2008 

I was talking with some people at work earlier and they started discussing whether we should start drilling for oil in Alaska.  Their logic was mostly to decrease our dependence of foreign oil.  Supposedly there is enough oil there for the US for 70 years or something….

 

I think it was chruchill that said something along the lines that humanity always does the right thing, though, only usually after doing all the wrong things.  This would be one of those wrong things!

 

The oil companies have repeatedly set record profits by price gouging the average person by increasing prices.  Those sons of bitches, right?  Wrong, I am grateful for what they've done.  Al Gore set off trying to deliver his message around the world about Global Warming.  Some people are still ignorant enough to believe that the warming over the past several years is just something natural in the cycle of the planet.  Because of this, people still really aren't as motivated as they should be about doing something to help reduce the damage humanity is having on the environment. 

 

This is where big oil has helped people make up their minds for them.  They have increased the cost for you to be polluters.  The puts you in a place where decreasing your energy consumption not only decreases your expenses, but also decreases the damage you're contributing to. 

 

Only with really high prices would it ever be equitable for people to invest in renewable energy.  Wind power and solar are really starting to expand, mainly because it is so much more cost effective.  The technology will always follow the money.  I guess it is a good thing it has also caught the attention of unstoppable Google.  http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207400875

 

Google has now dropped serious funding into both eSolar and Nanosolar.  eSolar is a company that touts being able to make large scale, cheap heat based solar plants (light is reflected to a specific point generating heat).  Nanosolar makes panels using a CIGS (Copper Indium Gallium-Sellinide) cells on a roll to roll fabrication process.  I have been following nanosolar since I read the first article that Google dropped 100 million to help them start their first major manufacturing plant.  They are now in production there and are sold out passed 2009.  Traditional solar cells cost about $4 per watt by using silicon.  Nanosolar claims their cells can be produced for as little as $.30 per watt and are presently selling their panels for $1 a watt (still some damn good profit margin)!  There are other companies that are also developing CIGS cells but won't be able to provide good  competition with nanosolar for quite some time. 

 

Don't forget, we also have the new CAFE standards passed by the government from the new energy bill.  Vehicles will have to become smaller and more fuel efficient.  Have you thoughts altered about the vehicles you get and your driving habits by the cost of gas?  If not, hopefully they will be by the time gas is $4.5.  This has also perpetuated many (though I won't list them) companies, mainly in California, that are producing electric or single/double passenger cars.  Again, here the advancement has rapidly accelerated because the demand is starting to shift. 

 

I only hope though, that these benefits we develop will outpace our increasing energy consumption and finally begin to reduce our demand.  If we can make it to this point, we will owe the oil companies for finally forcing our hand away from them.  Our advancements in the past several years moving toward renewable energy and decreased carbon production has been perpetuated mostly by them. 

 

Thank you, big oil, for making being more environmentally friendly cost effective!

Danielle
Danielle Porto

 
oh god..are you praising al gore?? why not do some research into both sides there kid??? there are plenty of facts to support the other side as well! Al Gore is an idiot who uses more energy to fly around in his little private jet than the average person uses in a liftime! but lets give the bastard a nobel prize?? u are smarter than this!
 
Posted by Danielle on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 5:15 PM
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Danielle
Danielle Porto

 
oh and one more thing? thank the oil companies?? now what about the average american family who cannot afford to buy these new cars or install their home with solar panels? what about the regular person trying to get by?? my mother is having to quit her job because she can no longer afford the gas prices to get to her job. she isn't making enough to support the habit. because of the inflated prices of diesel everything from groceries to personal supplies has skyrocketed. now maybe someone who makes alot of money and has no one to support but themselves can be grateful to oil companies but i can personally say we are not. my dad is living in florida for his job and we are trying to sell our house so we can all move down with him and my parents are struggling to keep food on the table and my parents can barely afford to travel to see each other because gas is so expensive...now how much do these environmentally friendly cars cost? have u stopped to think that the average person cannot afford them??? no...u think you know what is good for everyone else. force people to abondon their vehicles? their way of life? oh ya.....that is how we do it in america. and u wanna save the earth. how good do u think the middle east does on regulations for protecting the environment compared to the u.s.? u think drilling over here would be so terrible? we have restrictions so far up our ass that our drilling would be alot more environmentally friendly. but america is the moster huh?? check our pollution rates compared to someone like china. but no...u jump on the bandwagon with hollywood and the rest of the liberals who know what is best for us....i love the arrogant attitude... thank god someone is gonna force us dumb americans to do the right thing!!!
 
Posted by Danielle on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 5:37 PM
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Reticent

 
I didn't even think you read these. I could have written pages and pages, but skipped many of the problems, many which you mentioned. Please don't assume that my concern is over the one small problem I mentioned. I never claimed that Al Gore was free of all hypocrisy. I realize presently that the average person cannot afford many of the newer efficient technologies--not yet anyways. There will be a period of time where an adjustment takes place that will hurt the average consumer.

The oil companies will always be filled with greed, nothing is going to change that. My hope is that eventually this spark in newer efficient technology will decrease our demand from them or at least shift the funding toward better companies. In 10-15 years from now, a fuel efficient car will be the norm and more affordable. We still have to get to the point where these things are in reach of the average and below consumer. What happens, if in 10 years, your parents will be able to buy solar panels because they're cheap enough? What happens if in 10 years from now both have electric cars that cost pennies per mile? That will only be made possible by the technologies being developed today. Drilling in Alaska and ruining more of our natural world would hardly save any money realistically for anyone. The oil companies can, at any time, cut back their production to increase prices independent of if we have oil production in Alaska. There is only one way to stop them, to stop using what they're selling. They will always exist to try and screw us. Alaska would make no difference with this! It's not even worth trying to tax them to recoup some of their record profits, they'll only increase prices further and defer that cost back to us.

Developing countries, the middle east, China, etc... all are undeniably heavy polluters. Look how much controversy has been created because of the pollution and the olympics in china. Again, the only way we will stop them will be to create cost effective clean technologies. I believe that will be developed here first. It would be a big mistake for us not to care because they don't. I'd love to be the leaders behind this, though most of Europe is far beyond. Look at how most of them look at renewable energy. Also, ever taken a gander at what gas/food prices are over there?

There will come a point in time where I contemplate whether or not I want to bring new life to this planet. What scares me is what my kids (if I have them) are going to think when they are faced with same decision. I don't want to have to think that we destroyed the world because we wanted some cheap transportation from exorbitantly inefficient vehicles and cheap dirty power.

Stephen Hawking, one of the most brilliant minds of man, believes that we've very close from a point of self sustaining warmth that we won't be able to fix. I don't know about you, but that scares the shit out of me. This isn't something coming from some stupid liberal, this is coming from one of the smartest minds ever!

I haven't jumped on the hollywood bandwagon. I've researched the common belief among the entire scientific community. I don't look at just myself and the near future, but the big picture. I don't believe there is anything we can do presently to bring gas prices back down short of replacing it. I'd much rather have US based power companies that can be regulated producing renewable power.
 
Posted by Reticent on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 6:54 AM
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Danielle
Danielle Porto

 
well i believe while ur beliefs have good intentions, they are not realisttic. and u think this technology would not have come out if not for gas prices? this only speeds up the process a bit. that is ridiculous. i guess we will have to agree to disagree.
 
Posted by Danielle on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 12:11 PM
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Reticent

 
I'm not saying the technology wouldn't have come out. I was helping do undergrad research on solar cells at school. The amount of money being given now for research in solar is huge compared to 5 years ago. I just know that this has been very highly accelerated with what's happened. With people spending a couple hundred on gas a year, no one really cared about having an electric car.

Consider something like The X Prize 100mpg car competition by the same group that gave the $10mil prize to a team that could privately send 3 people into space. Would they have even cared if gas was $1.59 still?
 
Posted by Reticent on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 1:05 PM
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Laurie

 
It's very true that this technology would not come out if it hadn't been for big oil making mistakes and trying to gouge us too much. They probly would have been able to get by with making bank on us for years to come, but we are finally getting smart and thinking for ourselves! (People who are lemmings end up following the leader, like china, and polluting the world without caring, but that's because they are not allowed to care, or defy their superiors).

In the early 90s, they came out with the electric car. It was first released in California. They had huge waiting lists of people that wanted these cars. It was the perfect solution for the everyday commuter, and for the smog problem. Sure, if you were going to go on a roadtrip, you would have to sit for a little while while it charged, but for day trips, it was amazing. They didn't have enough cars for the amount of people that wanted them. The demand was there, and it looked like there was going to be a huge change in a demand for cars. Who wouldn't want a cleaner, more efficient car? (They were more than half the cost per mile than your efficient gas car)

And then one day, the oil company paid off the car company and that was it. They crushed all of the cars. They had only brought them out on leases yet, hadn't sold one. So they took them back, said there was no demand, and crushed them. Even though the public had signatures of thousands of people who were ready to commit that day to buying one, the car company decided being paid off by the oil company was in their better interest.

They conviced the public that the technology wasn't there, and then tried (and i must say, rather sucessfully) to pawn off hydrogen to them. Because if you are hooked on hydrogen, there's still something for them to sell to you at prices they control. You are still their lemming. I don't know about you, but i don't want to be an oil company lemming.

if you want to learn more about the brainwashing that took place, rent 'Who Killed the Electric Car?' http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/
 
Posted by Laurie on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 5:12 PM
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Laurie

 
And the higher prices are, in a way, helping local farmers too. because, finally, their produce is being sold locally. More people are trying to find food that hasn't had it's prices jacked up so much. Farmers don't have to pay the middle man if you buy directly from the source. Farmers markets are becoming the way to go. I know where i live, produce is WAY cheaper if it's locally grown. because you don't have to pay for the gas that it takes to drive it across the country.
Also, If there is a small store just down the street that has what you need, but in the next town, it's cheaperat walmart,target, or any other superstore, many people would drive to the next town. But now with gas prices, they are rethinking that. It's helping the public to actually go to these mom and pop businesses to buy locally. Buying locally helps local businesses, and helps the pollution problem. Growing up in a farming community, it was ingrained in me that you should always support your local business, i'm just glad more people are following suit now. Gas prices have helped that.
 
Posted by Laurie on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 5:23 PM
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Reticent

 
I was just readying how local farmers markets have doubled in the past few years. I think it's great... Oddly enough, the farmers also benefited from the weakening dollar since much of the crop is exported they got more dollars. Remember though, some of that margin is eaten up by the diesel cost of necessary machinery. Hopefully, we'll start seeing a lot of people starting small gardens in their yards.

I wonder if we'll start to have more problems with people raiding the sweet corn fields.

While I loved growing up on a farm, I don't think I could ever deal with the stress of constantly worrying about all the natural causes that could ruin your crop (drought, hail storms, aphids, etc...)--way too many things I'm not in control of.
 
Posted by Reticent on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 1:10 PM
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Napalm

 
I confess I didn't read all of that...but here's my two pesos. Burn it all and let the desert go back to being a desert.
 
Posted by Napalm on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 5:31 PM
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