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Sunday, June 03, 2007 

Category: News and Politics

I recently received a comment (which has since been deleted by the poster) stating something to the effect of (and I'm paraphrasing) "The black man is becoming extinct.  Black people make up 13% of America.  50% of blacks are men and 50% of those men are in jail."  Then it went on to urge black men to be aware and do something to make change against this new American "lynching". 

 

 

I looked at this piece of writing with utter confusion.  First off, why the hell was this thing on my page if it's a letter addressed to the black community?  Secondly, were these real statistics or just some made-up bullshit?  Is 25% of the black community actually in jail?!  So I did about ten minutes of google research and found out that it was just as I suspected and was, in fact, just some made-up bullshit.  According to my research, less than 1/3 of African-American men are in prison—still a really high number—but not 50%.  I felt pretty relieved that things weren't THAT bad.  But what the hell happened here?  Why was this made-up crap thrown into my lap? 

 

 

So I clicked on the page of the sender, only to find an African-American filmmaker who was looking to self-promote by playing the race card and posting this comment on his entire friend list.  That's a shameful enough practice even if you do happen to fact-check your rants, but it's downright disgraceful if you don't! 

 

 

As I looked around on this guy's page, I expected to see outraged citizens, both black and white, explaining to this guy that you don't throw bullshit facts out there to support a very real cause, and you certainly don't do so in a shameless attempt to peddle a product.  However, I found no outrage whatsoever.  Instead, I found praise!  There were tons of comments praising this guy for his "depth, poetry, truth, and awareness."  In fact, only three of the 19 response comments on his page even questioned this guy: one from a white man that went a little off-topic and started discussing Jesus and the Jews; the second from an African-American who asked, "50% of black men are in jail? you sure about that stat?"; and the third was from yours truly (I told him that I agree in principle, but he needs to check his facts.  Also, I took issue with the word "lynching," for institutional racism is not a conscious conspiracy to undermine the rights of a racial group, but is covert racism that has been indoctrinated into the heads of white judges since a very young age.  The use of the buzzword "lynching" will only inflame the issue further.)    

 

 

This lack of outrage was pretty troublesome to me.  Are white Americans all this squeamish about race that they won't even bother to question a black man making vitriolic statements backed by bogus, imaginary facts?  If so, I personally find this lack of balls to be rather startling! 

 

 

But much more startling was another comment on the guy's site from an African-American gentleman that read: "I came to that conclusion a while ago. Its crazy isn't it? Then you gotta throw in the aids and gang violence on top of the things you mentioned and you got a systematic plan to destroy blacks.."  AIDS? Gang violence?  A systematic plan to destroy blacks?  I'm sorry, but this was just too much!  I have to call BULLSHIT when I see it! 

 

 

I wrote a message to this guy immediately, pointing out that this kind of ridiculous rhetoric, which is not backed by a shred of solid evidence or even the remotest common sense, is exactly what widens the gap between people and makes logical communication between groups impossible to even exist.  Well, he wrote back and more or less cited every blanket statement you've ever heard about racism in America, much of which I actually agreed with.  But he did nothing to actually state any kind of case to defend his ridiculous comments about AIDS and gang violence being part of some kind of conspiracy to undermine African-Americans.  When I pressed him further, he condescendingly told me I didn't "know enough" to argue with him and subsequently stopped reading my replies.  I guess he just couldn't be bothered to discuss an issue that affects him on a daily basis with someone who disagrees with him. 

 

 

A lot went through my mind after these exchanges.  Why can't people talk about race in America?  Why can't people intelligently debate facts without fear?  Why do people think they can get away with throwing out utterly stupid sentiments without being challenged at all?  Why the hell are people so shameless that they will use divisive issues to promote their products?  Well, I don't have the answers to all these questions (especially that last one—that's a blog for another day).  But I do have my own suggestions about a few that I will share with you all now.  Any suggestions that you may have are also welcome.

 

 

 

THE SOLUTION

 

 

Well, this is actually not so much of a "solution".  I certainly don't have the answers to "solve" this problem.  Nobody does.  But here are a few of my own helpful hints to start off with.  (Now, bear in mind that I will be generalizing in my next few statements.  So don't take this to mean that ALL white or black people act in a certain manner, but that these are cultural observations which I have made over the years that seem to be generally true.  Also, bear in mind that this entire blog is very simple and doesn't even attempt to get into the nitty-gritty of all the issues. >This is just meant as a start toward a discussion.)

 

 

These are just a few helpful hints to start this discussion off on the right foot. 

 

 

First off, EVERYONE needs to realize that the issue of race is extremely tumultuous and should be treated with an honest effort toward sensitivity.  White people tend to be exceedingly oversensitive of the issue of racism in America for fear of being labeled "racist"—that is why they tend to shy away from it.  But they simply need to get over that, for fear-induced paralysis doesn't solve a damn thing and only exacerbates the problem.  Besides, if you're sensitive in the way you phrase things, there should be no reason for any reasonable person to label you a racist anyway.  African-Americans, conversely, often tend to be much less sensitive when discussing this issue, and can tend to make statements that whites find egregious, (such as my dealings with the factual errors, blanket statements, and "white conspiracy" theories) which can only damage the line of communication.  Remember, the true goal of any discussion is to keep things flowing toward a logical harmony, not for either party to chase the other away.  Be aware of this fact and be sensitive.  If my friend's father died, I wouldn't go to him and say, "Hey man, I heard your fucking dad croaked!"  Why?  Because it's a sensitive issue!

 

 

And that's not to say that we should never use a light-hearted approach to issues regarding race.  Laughter can be a pretty uniting phenomenon, and playing around with racism as fodder for humor isn't always a bad thing—look at Chris Rock or South Park, for example.  (Michael Richards…uh, not so much.)  And look, the sooner we come to realization that we ALL do it, the better.  ALL people crack racist jokes or laugh at racist jokes from time to time…and you know it damn well!  (Unless you have a real stick up your ass.)  Blacks do it, whites do it, Indians do it, Christians do it, Muslims do it, Sunnis do it to Shiites, Shiites do it Sunnis, and you know there has to be at least a few "how many Kurds does it take to screw in a light bulb?" jokes floating around Iraq (at least, there may have been there was actually electricity in Iraq).  So humor can be a good thing and should not be frowned upon, but there is also a time for serious discussion and sensitivity.    

 

 

Second, white people need to realize that four hundred years of oppression and slavery will do something to a culture.  Simply put, African-Americans have a pretty good reason to be pissed off!  It was only about 40 years ago that African-Americans were even granted equal treatment under United States law.  That's not even a full lifetime!  Only 40 years ago, there were still actual lynchings and church-burnings being carried out with some regularity.  Historically speaking, 40 years is not long at all.  So everyone needs to be aware that these wounds are still wide open.  Further, white people need to recognize that there is still a whole lot of leftover institutional racism from generations past.  One look at the prison system can clue you in to that. 

 

On the other hand, African-Americans need to realize that there is an incredible double-standard regarding what is acceptable for white people to say and what is acceptable for black people to say.  They need to realize that taking advantage of this only further exacerbates the problem as well.  If a white man makes a racist joke on public airwaves, there is public outcry a thousand times over.  Yet, there is little or no outrage when even black leaders make blatantly racist or racially insensitive remarks.  It is unfair to take advantage of double-standards for one's own personal gain, and it only serves to aggravate the problem.  Further, while African-Americans do have the right to be pissed off about a great many things, they don't have the right to be pissed about EVERYTHING.  To blame every single social dilemma of the black community on white people is outrageous and unacceptable.  Personal accountability has to enter the picture at some point.  If a gang member shoots another gang member, that event is not related to some "white conspiracy".  Nobody pulled the trigger but the gang member, and as hard as the choice to not join a gang may be in certain areas of the country, the gang member must be held personally accountable for his poor judgment.  To use racism as a scapegoat cause for every problem only widens the gap.

 

 

Finally, I think we all must realize that this situation is slowly but surely getting better.  It may not be improving fast enough for some people (and like I said, people certainly have a right to be upset about that), but it is a simple fact that things are improving.  Speaking personally as a white male, I can see a sharp contrast between the racial insensitivity of older generations of white people and the outright anti-racist sentiment of younger generations.  This is due to the fact that just as racism had been indoctrinated into white culture in generations past, anti-racism is now being indoctrinated into young people.  Civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King, Jr. are heroes to young white kids these days.  Also, black culture has been assimilated through America to the extent that it basically is American culture in many respects.  One look at music alone can illustrate this: Jazz, Blues, Rock 'n Roll, R&B, Hip-Hop, Rap—they are all African-American art forms that have become definitive of American culture!  This notion surely helps things to move forward and may even be one contributing factor to explain why, in only 40 years, the black community has gone from being segregated and politically unrepresented to being represented throughout the world of politics, including Presidential cabinets and Presidential candidacy.  Things are slow to progress in the course of history, but things are surely better now than years passed.

 

 

I'm sure there are thousands of additional sentiments that people can throw into the pot.  These three are just the first that came to my mind.  Anyone who has anything to add, please throw it out there. 

---Don

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Green Cove Kai (In The Army)

 
dude fuck this. Color only matters to people that make it matter. I've always said this and still believe this to this very day.




White. Black. Yellow. Brown. - Those are colors. not races. THose are all shades of an EXTERNAL layer on top of human beings. THe only difference that this makes in the minds of ignorant, arrogant fools.




Honkie. Cracker. Nigger. Spic. The list goes on and on. That is the creation of ignorant and stupid people that dont know any better. the difference between a white person and a honkie, or a cracker... is in his mind. if he wants to run around and call ever black person a nigger and every hispanic person a spic or a wetback... then he deserves to be called a cracker becuase he is race oriented so let him be judged by his race. the same is true for the black population crying out they have no rights and its the white man that puts them down. Ok. so race was a big issue a long time ago. sure my ancestors probably had your ancestors as slaves. that was their ingnorance, not mine. yes, race is still a big issue. but its not just the white man on the black man. or the white man on the hispanic man. its the hispanic on the white. its the black on the white. its goes all around. its a universal thing. So before you go ahead and make RACE oriented remarks like that, get to know your facts, like dont says here. make sure that you know what the fuck you're talking about and who your talking to. Ignorance is this worlds downfall. Instead of spending so much time bitching at who's more racist and all that stupid bullshit, do something about it. Educate others and yourself about how pointless and meaningless this racism crap is. Alright?
 
Posted by Green Cove Kai (In The Army) on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 4:06 AM
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Green Cove Kai (In The Army)

 
btw Don. good subject to spark a discussion.

((something else I forgot to add. These people that put up with racism and have no balls to say anything to people being race oriented. you deserve to be kicked in the throat for being so dumb. say something.))
 
Posted by Green Cove Kai (In The Army) on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 4:08 AM
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Ted Hoffman

 
I'll reply more in depth when I have time...however...

There is a great amount of wisdom in what you have written.

Racism exists on both sides of the argument. For every person, black or white, who wants to coexist in a meaningful fashion, there seem to be many more who just aren't happy unless they're stirring the pot.

But, remember too, 48% of all statistics are made up. ;-)
 
Posted by Ted Hoffman on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 4:47 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
48%...Haha! I love that quote.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 5:03 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
It's so funny to see what a touchy subject this is! I posted this thing about an hour ago and it's gotten more than a hundred views, yet you were the only one willing to stick his neck out and add something. That's crazy that people will respond to blogs about stupid shit like emo music before they respond to something like this!

But I think I agree with you on your main point. Racism is a universal thing. The sooner we accept and understand that it's something we ALL live with, the easier it will be to have discussions about it.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 4:43 AM
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Alex Full Of Grace

 
I agree with you, Don. I think your idea for a solution is a pretty damn good one.

You know, I think that's what bothered me about the whole Imus thing. He's said worse things in the past, and they get him off the air for saying "nappy-headed hoes"? I mean, come on! But then Snoop Dog stands up and puts things into perspective, saying "only black rappers can call women that" Um... ok. I think the African American community needs to nip that attitude in the butt. Heck, we all do. Double standards are nothing but trouble.
 
Posted by Alex Full Of Grace on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 4:40 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
"Double standards are nothing but trouble." Wasn't that a Fresh Prince song? Haha.

Thanks for the response, Alex!
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 4:45 AM
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Patric

 
Look, the world is full of people who need to catagorize groups of people and put them down in order to feel better about themselves. Arguing race is just one more tool in their shed.
 
Posted by Patric on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 4:48 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Absolutely! Couldn't agree more!
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 4:49 AM
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Mommy of 4 Monsters HAHA

 
Color, Race, creed and all else aside: Unfortunately today's fictitious views on appropriate behavioral conduct is limited only to the imagination. People chose to use race, handicap, and other touchy topics as a basis of attracting an audience because the media does it. Media uses sex to sell products, handicap, torture, race and other human concerns to collect money and so much more sneaky crap to get what they want. The commercials for feeding the homeless kids is a perfect example. You send $15 dollars or more only to find out that 60 cents goes towards feeding the kids and the rest goes into the pockets of the "non-profit" people who run this project. It is really sad that people do this but when it comes to personal promotion and selfish wants, humans fail the humbility test.
 
Posted by Mommy of 4 Monsters HAHA on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 5:24 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Damn, you're bumming me out! haha.

I'm not sure I follow you as far the media using sex to sell handicap and torture to get what they want. Could you explain?

As far as the "feeding the homeless" commercial is concerned, I understand what you're saying, but it is a little jaded. There are some organizations that are total scammers, but others aren't. Some rob, others don't. The ones that don't rob are still worthwhile charities.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:55 PM
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.:GeMmA SWaNsOn:.

 
Hey Don
You're so wise!
we're actually researching and writing essays on racism at the moment but mainly Malcolm X and although he was/still is a hero he was incredibly racist and may have had a right to be but it was actually when he agreed that white people weren't devils and that we all had to work together on this issue that he started making a real difference.

The sad thing about black/white racism is that for somewhat a majority of the time white people aren't ganging up on black people and vice versa it's black people ganging up on black people and white people ganging up on white and i honestly agree with Malcolm X when he says that white and black people can't unite unless they sort out their own problems and learn to live with their own race first. It seems that black people have a real problem with white people and what they did years ago but they're not doing a lot to sort it out. If the problem is to be solved they need to work together as a black community and us as a white community first, only then can we truly unite to make things better.

I mean Malcolm X only tried to get equality for the black man, to work with the black man to get the same rights as white people. He was doing so much good, yet he got assassinated!! Not only did he get assassinated but by a black man as well.

I'm from Australia so i can't even say i know anything about racism in America but it's still important here, we have Aboriginals and there is still a fight of racism between us and them, it's ridiculous that it even has to be like this. I know no difference between black and white people except the colour of their skin but it's things like the government and the past that affect our judgement.

You may not agree with what i'm saying or even care but i just wanted to put it out there and Don i think that what you're saying is so true and needs to be talked about. I didn't want to leave this blog unnoticed.
 
Posted by .:GeMmA SWaNsOn:. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 5:27 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Thanks very much for writing! I don't totally agree with your statement about having to fix our own communities first before engaging each other's communities, but I thank you for your input.

I wrote a longer response to this same idea on Carolyn's post lower in the forum. She did agree with what you're saying.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:50 PM
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Risa
Risa Barrett

 
"Look, the world is full of people who need to catagorize groups of people and put them down in order to feel better about themselves. Arguing race is just one more tool in their shed."

yeah couldn't agree more with this statement, and good blog, really makes you think
 
Posted by Risa on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 5:33 AM
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Risa
Risa Barrett

 
Ps: sorry for not giving too much input but everything I would of said has pretty much already been laid out..
 
Posted by Risa on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 5:35 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Hey, that's fine! Thanks for responding anyway!
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:47 PM
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~Devyn~
Devyn Papalia

 
I have nothing else to say other than that IGNORANCE IS BLISS! wake the fuck up PEOPLE & quit your fucking bitching & moaning. One personis in charge here and that's u. Most people are in jail for a reason. those of u wrongfully accused, SORRY! take some responsibilty for your actions. u do the crime, u do the time.....................and btw, I'm tired of paying for it too when I could be paying for my education but instead I'm getting raped in taxes to support convicts..................GOTTA LOVE AMERICA! GROW UP.............!
 
Posted by ~Devyn~ on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 6:29 AM
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misanthropologenesis

 
you are paying more for the military than you are paying for prisons. the prisons pay for themselves with what is basically slave labor. besides, the law is set up to make sure black people end up in prison more easily than white people. an easy example is the difference in sentencing between crack and cocaine possession. cocaine (which is popular among whites mostly) has a much more lenient sentence than crack (which is basically the same, but more popular among black users, in part because it is cheaper). this guarantees that blackusers will end up in prison mor often and for longer terms. look up the prison-industrial complex if you care to actually be informed about what youre talking about before mouthing off about shit you dont know about.
 
Posted by misanthropologenesis on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 8:29 PM
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Christopher

 
"you are paying more for the military than you are paying for prisons" - Well I hope so!

"the prisons pay for themselves with what is basically slave labor." - False, the correctional facilities are funded primarily by tax dollars and they are not cheap in the slightest.


"the law is set up to make sure black people end up in prison more easily than white people" - False again. Who set up these laws with the ulterior motive of filling our prisons (which cost us a fortune) with black people?

Crack and Cocaine has as much to do with racism as the white ball hitting the black ball in the game of pool .... NOTHING!
 
Posted by Christopher on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 5:08 AM
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misanthropologenesis

 
you are right, prisons are not cheap. neither is war. however, both are EXTREMELY profitable, and thats why we keep building prisons and waging senseless wars.
look it up, you might be surprised.


the privileged class in this white-supremacist, capitalist culture benefits enormously from keeping black and poor people locked up or fighting in wars and dying (or stuck in ghettos where even while working full-time on minimum wage it is almost impossible to raise a family and pay rent simultaneously, so people dont really have time or energy to work on the problems in their communities).
therefore, the privileged class doesnt have to actually question their privileges, which is really the only way to truly help figure out how to solve the serious problems of racism and poverty. just get rid of (or make invisible) those affected the most by the problems and then we can pretend that everything is ok.

it is possible that the law was not created to explicitly target blacks, but unfortunately, that has been the outcome and I dont see enough white people complaining about this injustice.
 
Posted by misanthropologenesis on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 5:53 PM
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Culture Inc.

 
Zevio, excellent point about crack. That's a good example of how the judicial system does a disservice to minorities and poor people. I'm not sure that the law itself was set up just to institute racism, though. In the 80s, crack was a really pervasive drug that was finding its way into all corners of America, including predominantly white suburbs. The law was enacted to impose harsher sentences on crack users to stop the spread of this new, cheap, dangerous drug. I don't believe the intent of the law was to attack the black community. However, that being said, that was then and this is now. In the 80s, crack was the newest drug scare. But it has proven itself to be less pervasive than originally anticipated. The law, while maybe not intended to harm the poor, certainly does so anyway and should be modified to fit with the times. Especially considering the fact that, like you said, coke is pretty much the same damn thing!
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 10:40 PM
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"The Girl Can't Help It!" Zine
Olivia Magson

 
Don, like you said racism is a controversial issue. I'm not sure how this is going to relate to anything but I watched this episode (something Dr. Phil-like but not) and it was about an Inter-racial couple (A white girl and a black guy). The mother o the girl had a problem with the guy she was about to marry and openly admits that she is a rcist and she looks down on blacks because of all the stereotypes that labels them. It was just pure madness. The hardest part about this episode was she wasn't sure if she could accept her grand-daughter if they were to ever have one. It's like, whooa that's such a step backward... I was just shocked and in disbelief about the way this women was...
 
Posted by "The Girl Can't Help It!" Zine on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 6:41 AM
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Just dance!
Anthony Mongillo

 
My friend, Racism exists everywhere, surprisingly or not, a lot of it is in the military. If a white man, like myself, says anything about another race, i get in trouble with loss of rank, money and respect. BUT if a black,Asian,female,Indian,or any "Non-Caucasians" make a joke its unseen. I'm not racist in any means necessary at all, i have not reason or even will because my best friend has a purple heart for saving me. Not like thats a reason or anything but i don't see a point to be it. We all bleed red, and we all scream "Momma" when we are threaten in a death situation or in extreme pain. BUT i hate to say it Whites are a minority in the army, In my own personal presence i seen a Specialist(E-4),black, tell a Staff Sgt(E-6, a NCO) fuck off and nothing happen. Two minutes later I seen a Specialist ,again, White, tell the same staff Sgt fuck off and he gets a Negative counseling statement and a article 15 for disrespect. It wasnt because he hated him or didnt like him, but black people in the military, from what i seen, are quick to pull the EO card. But white people in the army cant do that because it will get shrugged off. And for the record, every EO i ever seen was black, or female. Never any white males. I dont understand it. Black people always talk about how we had them for slavery and what not. True, BUT they can change their life, they can get a better job out of the ghetto if they live there, they can go to school, they can do everything they want to in life. But they choose not too. My other friend that ive known for 10 years lived in the ghetto and all that. And i see him everyday supporting his 2 kids,wife and mom as a lawyer. Everyone can do what you set your mind to. Most choose not too. Well thats my two cents.

Anthony
 
Posted by Just dance! on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:37 AM
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A yardstick for lunatics

 
I hate to say it but having served in the Army as well, some of what you say is true. One thing though, you're Staff Sgt, is a fuckin coward. The reason that things like that exist in the military in the first place is because ass hats like him don't stnd up for their rank. Life is different in the military, esspecially in a war time military. Troops need unwavering faith in their chain of command, and even a little fear. I've had something similar happen to me. A female, or a black troop, or any minority would run to EO crying cause I yelled at them. So I'd end up standing tall before some review board, in front of my black Sgt Major, and female commander being asked stupid questions. And I contended over and over again that I treated everyone equally, If I was an asshole to someone that wasn't pulling their weight, I was the same asshole to the white guy, and the black girl. Sgt's like the one who ignores blatent insubordination, sets the tone for the rest of the platoon/company. Then they're walked all over by the black community, and hated for their lack of leadership by everyone else. He should have been relived of his post, and not allowed to lead troops. Imagine going to combat with that asshole who dosen't stick up for himself, how is he gonna lead people into battle.
 
Posted by A yardstick for lunatics on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 6:36 PM
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Just dance!
Anthony Mongillo

 
Exactly, finally someone in the military knows what i mean. Im only a E-2, but if your in a infantry company, it doesn't matter your rank if you can do the job. I was smoking this new guy because he had his weapon on semi at the range, no mag, no ammo. But its a real bad habit. As hes doing some push ups our supply guy comes up with his weapon on semi also with a mag in messing around with it, so i did what any smart person would, i took him down and made him low crawl not even 20 meters before he pulled the EO card. I told him to grab Her and ill tell her everything a full report on it. The EO who, was black, took his side even tho i had 4 eye witnesses(including his to friends) and i get a negative counciling for excessive force, and like you said, Standing Tall in front of a Black Sgt Major, A black female LTC, and black female CPT EO. The only reason i didn't loose rank with because the SGT Major is infantry and he knows what its like. And after a incident like that, you will always be viewed differently too. BUT if say i was doing that and i wanted to pull the EO card, i would be even chewed out even more fr even thinking about it. Like my SSgt, he is afraid because they would easily take his rank away without even thinking twice. About two months i was called a "honkey" because i was chewing out a guy because he lost my Oakleys I told my platoon sgt and he said was going to handle it. Two days later me and him are once again standing tall in the conference room.

Racism Claim By All But Caucasians, And Will Never Support Caucasians. Sad to say but it will be like that for many years to come. And To reply to another comment on here, Im sorry, but America isnt ready for a Female or Black president. America wont vote it. Personally i like Barack Obama(spelling?) and i will vote for him. Or Rudy Guilllianaie(spelling?). But i dont have the same views as Clinton. Im not Democrat or Republican, or Third Party. Who ever president is my boss so no matter what i follow them. Its how it goes.

Anthony.

Message me on myspace if anyone wants to continue this.
 
Posted by Just dance! on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 7:04 PM
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Culture Inc.

 
Hey, look at that...you guys each just made a friend! Now if that isn't a testament to a good discussion, I don't know what is!

Knowing nothing about the military, I really have no insight to comment about the double standard therein. But that is pretty interesting and I'd like to hear more on the subject from others who are in the know, including those on the other side of the issue.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:44 PM
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hannah

 
So true!

Lots of my friends make racist comments all the time and it really pisses me off because it's so counter-productive. But I think things are getting better in America (I live in London so im no expert) with Barack Obama as a Presidential possability and also Hillary Clinton, seems to me that Americans are, in most places, letting go of a lot of their old fashioned ideas about race and gender.
Nice blog
Hannah
xx
 
Posted by hannah on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 2:01 PM
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Christopher

 
What bothers me is that there are individuals who will vote for these people simply because they are black or female. They are attempting to prove to others and perhaps to themselves that they are not racist or sexist. However, in so doing, they become both hypocritical and racist or sexist. It is the same concept as affirmative action. Hiring someone not according to their ability but according to their minority is just as racist as hiring a white male solely for the purpose of him being a white male.

Vote for the person based upon their beliefs, actions, issue stances, ability, etc.... not on their race whether that be majority or minority.
 
Posted by Christopher on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 5:15 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Well, the polls actually have suggested that the majority of women and African-Americans, at least at this point in the game, have not been swayed to vote for Barack and Hilary. I think the vast majority of people are actually waiting to hear where the candidates stand on the issues.

I happen to agree with you about affirmative action. It seems rather insulting to the black community to say, "Well, you guys aren't capable of making it in on your own merit, so we'll give you a handout to meet a quota." However, I agree with Chris Rock on the subject when he said, "If a white man scores higher on a test than me, he should get it. If he scores the same as me, screw him, he got a 400 year head start."
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 5:32 AM
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Christopher

 
The polls also showed that Al Gore would win the election. Now he is just screwing up the environment.
 
Posted by Christopher on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 6:00 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Screwing up the environment?
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 8:03 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Thanks for the response! I completely agree that things are getting better...progress is slow, but it's definitely happening.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:41 PM
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Carolyn

 
<small> Don, i completely agree with you, but there are two sides to the fence. Yes, many people that aren't white pull the race card, but not all. We are all equal in most ways, but there are still things that being another race affects. I believe there is a black male running for president or maybe he's mixed , but does anyone honestly think that he will win over a white male? Our country is not yet ready for this, and i don't think it will happen for a whiiiiiiiiile. I agree with the girl somewhere above me that said we must first unite within our own communities to unite with other ones.
The school I go to has a majority of white students. I transferred in the middle of the year from a school that was very diverse yet almost everyone got along. This transition was one of the hardest things I've ever had to go through. Since I started going to this school, I have been called a Hopper (saying i hopped the border), a spic (on a few occasions) , and i have seen another girl get called a nigger right in the hallways. No races seems united in this school, and it's such a horrible thing to see. Dividing among the races will never be a good thing, we have to work on this, and we all have to get over our own problems before we can fix the problems that coincide with every race together.

PS. very good discussion topic.
=]

Muchlove,
Carolyn.
 
Posted by Carolyn on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 2:18 PM
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Culture Inc.

 
"Many people that aren't white pull the race card, but not all."

I couldn't agree more. I didn't even mean to imply that the majority of African-Americans "pull the race card." And also, white people are obviously also just as capable as playing on race as anyone else.

I actually must disagree with you and the other girl as far as the assertion that we must work things out separately first before we work together interracially. I just don't see any time like the present to start working on things as a group of humans, rather as white or black humans. The more we put off having this discussion, the longer we will wait for changes to be made. The problem I see with waiting while we "fix" our own perspective communities is that when groups don't communicate with one another, they tend to become xenophobic and thus afraid of one another, which could only hinder progress.

Perhaps you're right and we aren't totally ready yet for some miraculous changes, but that shouldn't stop us from giving it our best shot. Plus, even if we don't achieve the ultimate goal of total harmony, any civil discussion on this matter will still be a good start.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:39 PM
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Danny B.
Danny Barton

 
Good points. Generally I tend to look over blogs like these only because it's the same garden variety argument over and over agian. I honestly believe the more we've progressed from generation to generation the more racism has began to fade. In fact on a large scale (being media) i cannot remember the last time someone from our generation (younger) has implified racism. I think the more and more we try and disect the issue the slower we can move forward. honestly it's pretty simple, everyone gets a fair shake. instill that idea into the minds of todays youth and see where it leads. Special interest groups and elite organizations just add fuel to the fire if you ask me. They are nothing more than a new form of segregation, as I said everyone deserves a fair shake no matter which side the coin is on. Same goes for the constant need to label each individual skin tone in America. "African American?" Seriously, creating hybrid off shoot names is trivial and does nothing but throw eggshells on the ground. If I were to offend someone by saying the word "black" I would just have to slap them in the face. It honestly seems that everyone in this country is American except for people such as me and you, or as the general term is "white man." Atleast we can agree that if you are a citizen of america you are american. I have yet to hear "African British" or better yet, "British South African". Its just silly to me.

I don't really understand the 400 years of oppression and slavery. America is a little over 200 years old and slavery has been obolished for more than 140 years. All I am saying is that for that nomber to be true (which i am not arguing that it isn't) then slavery of the African race would have had to been an adapted practice bestowed upon us. Just saying the history of the world was not a giant eutopia smudged by the greese stick of America. Yes this country has a rough and ugly history, but we are still a very young country indeed. I think it would do people good if they can make a timeline of this country and see the incredible progress we have made as a civilation. We are coming along greatly and we are without a doubt fast learners. Yes 40 years is a single generation, but it's a new generation now. We are now in an area of compromise and understanding, we have learned to shift our ways on a dime and take things such as diversity with a warmer embrace than our fathers before us. Chances are our children will do the same. The deaper in history you go the darker it gets. We can only move forward.
 
Posted by Danny B. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 2:25 PM
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Patric

 
Actually, it Was approximately 400 years of Slavery.
Sure America is a little over 200 years old, but there was slavery in all the European colonies since they've formed. Which would have been about the 1600's for the English (on both mainland America and the Carribean), and even longer for the Spanish Colonies dating back to Columbus.

And sure Slavery didn't exist on paper during the 20th century, but many see the oppression towards "Black" Americans in that time as a form of slavery for poetic reasons. Reasons like public lynching, segregated water foundians, bathrooms, beatings by citizens that the police turned a blind eye on, beatings by the police which no one could do anything about. Killing by both officers in uniform or the KKK, or both, Burning of churches, burning of homes, harrasment to prevent black people from moving into white neighborhoods, raping of women during those beatings, segregated schools where inferior education was provided to black students only so they can grow up to be ignorant and fullfilling their stereo type, segregation in the coorperate world where you wouldn't be hired if you were black, remember - White women had a hard time moving up in the office, so you can imagine the treatment for anyone who wasn't a white male, riots, segregation in the military, there were no EO cards in WWII . .what the hell is an EO card anyway? ect . . you know, that sort oppression followed by the hatefull words and slurs and stereo types, just to name a few.

Can you imagine going through that crap? I really can't grasp the full picture of hatred that took place in those instances, but did we forget that any of this happened? Can you understand why there are so many Pissed off older "black" Americans? Can you understand the fear and anger? Imagine how they'll fear for their children in this society? How today's generation must shudder at the thoughts of what their parents went through? THAT IS WHY when a "white" American make a racial joke to a ANY "non white" American that they don't know too well, somebody's going to raise an eyebrow somewhere! WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? I know it's not fair. This country have done some serious f*cked up sh*t in it's history, so yea . . some things are pretty sensiteve . But I'm glad we can talk about it.
You can't heal unless you talk.
I want to heal.
Simply letting today's generation move on as if nothing happened won't answer the questions of why "race" is such a touchy subject at times. You have to look at the ugly history and aknowledge the problem(s) in order to fix it.

Thanks for posting this blog dude, . .a lot of good (and some bad) points were made.
 
Posted by Patric on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 2:17 PM
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Christopher

 
Enough of this 4oo years stuff. Slavery has been around since man first conceived of domination and selfishness. Slavery did not begin with the European countries. Africa had slaves before the Europeans ever arrived. American Indians, Mayans, Egyptians, etc.... all had slaves.

Also, there may be many "pissed off older black Americans", but there are also many who are not pissed off and are astounded by the amazing amount of change which has occurred in the past several decades.

I don't think anyone promoted the idea of letting today's generation move on as if nothing happened. Quite the contrary. However, we need not beat a dead (or dying) horse here.
 
Posted by Christopher on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 4:57 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Hey Chris. I was waiting for your arrival!

Of course, slavery as a practice has existed since the beginning of time, but it's a pretty simple fact that the slavery which brought Africans to the Americas was instituted roughly around 400 years ago. And even if you dispute that, you'd just be disputing one piece of the puzzle and not the main point of contention. What's the difference if it's 400 years or 200 years? It's still slavery for a huge portion of time.

And I think it's more than possible to be both pissed off about something and astounded by the amount of change that has occurred to correct the problem. I know this because I am one such person. I'm pissed about racism, I'm pissed about slavery, but I'm also astounded by the huge strides toward progress this nation has made recently.

The point is not to beat a dead horse. The point is for everyone to come to the table knowing that we all understand each other's viewpoint.

Here's an example using a family as an analogy: say someone was abused by his father early in life. But later in adult life, the man's father wanted to reconcile and discuss how to move forward on peaceful terms. Logically, for any meaningful reconciliation to occur, the father would have to recognize the pain, hurt, and anger that his son has had to deal with all of these years. The son would have to know that the father "gets it".

I think part of the reason why African-Americans still to this day have a lack of trust for white people is due to the fact that they don't get the impression that white people truly understand the damage that was done to their community as a result of slavery and racism (both instutional and otherwise).
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 5:21 AM
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Christopher

 
So is this blog about racism or African American racism? If the former, I would stick to my guns. If the latter, I would concede that the slavery issue is likewise confined to African Americans and I will be much more lenient in my proposed time period.

I agree, I was only reminding people that there are black people who have let go of their anger.

The problem with your analogy is that relationship between a father and son is not synonomous with the relationship between, say, modern white man and cotton picking black slaves in the 1800's. Further, the father is the perpetrator of the act. Whereas we are not the perpetrators of slavery. What many suggest is that the son be blamed for the father's misgivings and consequently be expected to apologize and perhaps even give recompense for it.

It is my opinion that if an "African-American still to this day has a lack of trust for white people" in general, then he cannot blame a white man for having a lack of trust for black people in general.

Where is it being proclaimed that the black community was not damaged by slavery and racism? To what extent are we to truly understand their plight? How well can we imagine if we have not been there? We can do our best and that is it.

What I am saying is this. I did not have anything whatsoever to do with slavery or racism. And I am not going to be made to feel like I did.
 
Posted by Christopher on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 5:49 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Uh, it's clearly a blog about African-American racism.

I understand completely what you're saying about the fact that we (white people in 2007) are not personally responsible for slavery and I will concede that my analogy doesn't completely jive with that.

Let me alter my analogy: There is a family with two brothers. One brother is abused, the other is not. Resentment between the two builds as a result of this. In order for the two brothers to quell this resentment, they both need to clearly understand each other's position so that progress can be made. The abused brother needs to understand that the unharmed brother is not at fault and is not the abuser; and the unharmed brother needs to fully understand the anger and pain that the abused brother feels as a result of his abuse. Each brother has to understand that the other "gets it." I hope that analogy works a bit better.

But either way, no one is suggesting that you should feel personally responsible for slavery.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 6:45 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
I agree with you for the most part, but bear in mind that social interest groups like the NAACP did help a whole lot at a time when no one else did. And they have done a lot of good work in leveling the playing and should continue to do so. However, I think at times some social interest groups can be so overzealous to prosecute racism that they lose sight of the bigger picture. For example, Al Sharpton's constant rabble-rousing. A lot of the time he doesn't even wait to hear both sides of the issue before starting a media blitz against someone accused, such as the Duke Lacrosse players who were found innocent. So I agree that social groups, when mismanaged, CAN add fuel to the fire, I don't agree that that is there main cause.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:28 PM
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Sailboats

 
quite interesting. you make a good point, that the fear of looking like a racist is more important to people than actually being racist or not. this being said, i disagree with your "solution". i believe that race is something used to categorize groups of people, reducing them to a simple term. race itself is a creation. there are no defined boundaries for race, and it is impossible to make boundaries, as if there is a scientific backing behind judgements of what race someone belongs to. thus, there can not be any racism if there are no races. anyway, good article, i see stuff like that happen all the time.
 
Posted by Sailboats on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 3:15 PM
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Culture Inc.

 
Hey man, thanks for the response.

It seems that you actually don't take issue with my "solution", but really with the way we define race in this country. I agree with you that the way people are categorized is arbitrary and sorta stupid. After all, what is "white", what is "black"? At what point in skin tone does skin become defined as white or black? It's so arbitrary. But sadly, it doesn't change the fact that racism exists and these rather stupid designations exist also. I'm just offering my own notions to keep in mind when discussing this issue interracially (which so few people actually do--even to this day, it's taboo). If everyone starts out the discussion recognizing a few obvious realities, it's easier to have a logical discussion. A logical discussion is the only logical solution.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 8:58 PM
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Christopher

 
Like, totally man!. We should all get groovy and form a great human race of people! We could like hold hands, make pottery, and form communes!

What, exactly, are you promulgating here? Are you saying that in regards to racism, this generation is worse than the last? What's more that we expect it to get worse? We (I take it that you are speaking for all of us) condone war? Are you suggesting there is always a better way? Should we all ubiquitously hold pious thougts so as not to end up with
"negative results"?
 
Posted by Christopher on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 5:28 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Oh come on man. You're picking out one sentence out of her whole statement about war and posing it as if it were her entire thesis.

I believe there is absolutely a general truth in what she said about negative thoughts producing negative results. It's not to be taken in a completely literally (that we should NEVER have negative thoughts), but if a person walks around with a negative attitude for the majority of his life, he will obviously spend much of his life being surrounded by the consequences of his own negativity.
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 5:39 AM
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Christopher

 
One sentence? I took umbrage to a myriad of topics in this "thesis". Namely that this generation is worse than the last and that it is partially because we expect it get worse! Secondly was the war topic. Lastly, was the negativity comment. Pehaps I was too harsh in my reply, but of what value is touting that negativity begets negativity?
 
Posted by Christopher on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 5:59 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
I think the idea that this generation is worse than the last could use some clarification, but in many respects I do believe that is pretty true (not regarding racism, however).

I don't believe she was speaking for ALL of us about war. I don't think her point was that every single human being condones war.

"What value is touting that negativity begets negativity?" A WHOLE lot!
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 8:18 AM
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Culture Inc.

 
Well said!
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 8:50 PM
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misanthropologenesis

 
nice work, don. It's imortant to keep in mind that racism as a cultural institution is ingrained into all of us, we grow up in it, and the struggle against racism is still only beginning. Yes, black people have many issues to deal with in their own communities, affected by racism and poverty and sexism in an extremely tangled web. However, in this discussion what i basically see is a bunch of white people complaining about how black people aren't doing enough to end racism. I think this is hipocritical, not to mention the REASON why the system is taking so long to change! Instead of complaining about what others do, it is necessary for those of us who are actually interested in changing the way things are to look within, to honestly examine our own mentalities and attitudes. "How do I personally contribute to the prolongation of a racist society?" To recognize and challenge one's own participation in the system is key to ending this bullshit.
 
Posted by misanthropologenesis on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 8:20 PM
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Culture Inc.

 
Yeah, I agree. I appreciate every bit of input here to start a discussion, but I do hope that the pool of responses will be a little more heterogeneous in the future, just to introduce more perspective. I'm actually surprised by the number of responses so far, 'cause it's really amazing how everyone shies away from this topic like it's the plague!
 
Posted by Culture Inc. on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 8:50 PM
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